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Posted: 10/8/2009 10:15:54 AM | | My big question is that why people think that a public option will kill private insurance, when Germany has had a public option since the 19th century, and it still has private insurance? | |
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Posted: 10/8/2009 10:18:48 AM | Most of the founding fathers and many others gave there lives and fortunes to create this country, as whole most of us today are spineless. How willing are you to take the fight to them.
Unless you are really sick everyone needs to drop their health insurance policies for 6 months. It is simple supply and demand. When there profits start to go through the floor they will listen. Impose some simple regulatory reforms and move on to the next subject.
How far will you go to say enough is enough?
Its about political power no health. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2009 10:30:55 AM | Ever notice how the lefties are always asking us the questions and we never need to ask them questions? Elmenreich if you don't understand something as simple as why we don't want to be like Germany, the UK, Canada, or frankly anyone else then you have a lot of history and culture to catch up on.
New subject/same subject. I have a confession to make. There have been times in my life I thought women and their voting habits were a large source of the mommsy/nanny state unpleasant drift of our country. But recently I've seen some remarkable examples, like the video above from the lady small busines owner, and from a mother's group that crosses income, race, and political party that very effectively articulates, albeit in a different way than I would, a very strong message of freedom. I think this is important because Dems taking women for granted, assuming 70% of their vote can be counted on. But lots of women have found their libertarian side and do not want their children, and society, burdened with the debts of a bunch of lefty deadbeats and their pets.
You go girls! | |
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Posted: 10/8/2009 11:10:02 AM | Unless you are really sick everyone needs to drop their health insurance policies for 6 months. It is simple supply and demand. When there profits start to go through the floor they will listen. Impose some simple regulatory reforms and move on to the next subject. I like your thinking, but that would just give the insurance companies an excuse to raise fees and not cover pre-existing conditions. I know that Kaiser will continue covering you and your pre-existing conditions at the same rate if you go back within 18 months, but other companies will use the break in coverage to find an excuse not to insure women who might get pregnant, people diagnosed with mental illnesses and various other things.
Ever notice how the lefties are always asking us the questions and we never need to ask them questions? You don't ask questions because you're too stupid to ask questions. Don't tell me that Republicans never ask questions, because I was a Republican for 15 years, and I sure asked questions.
Elmenreich if you don't understand something as simple as why we don't want to be like Germany, the UK, Canada, or frankly anyone else then you have a lot of history and culture to catch up on. I didn't necessarily say that I wanted a health care system like Germany's; I just poked a HUGE hole in your argument, in case you missed it. You keep saying that a public option will kill private health insurance, but despite having a public option since the 19th century, Germany still has private health insurance. Therefore, your argument is moot. I'm sure you do have reasons why you don't want a change in our health care system, but they're just not valid reasons, from what I've seen.
There have been times in my life I thought women and their voting habits were a large source of the mommsy/nanny state unpleasant drift of our country. But recently I've seen some remarkable examples, like the video above from the lady small busines owner, and from a mother's group that crosses income, race, and political party that very effectively articulates, albeit in a different way than I would, a very strong message of freedom. I think this is important because Dems taking women for granted, assuming 70% of their vote can be counted on. But lots of women have found their libertarian side and do not want their children, and society, burdened with the debts of a bunch of lefty deadbeats and their pets. Anecdotal evidence is really inconsequential when we're talking about a hundred million people or so. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2009 11:23:42 AM |
I like your thinking, but that would just give the insurance companies an excuse to raise fees and not cover pre-existing conditions. I know that Kaiser will continue covering you and your pre-existing conditions at the same rate if you go back within 18 months, but other companies will use the break in coverage to find an excuse not to insure women who might get pregnant, people diagnosed with mental illnesses and various other things.
Actually this would work right into the plan, millions of angry people in the streets calling for regulatory reform of health insurance because they are currently being screwed.
This is my point what are you willing to sacrifice and what will you do to get the change that is needed.
You ask why, I ask why not. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2009 12:00:34 PM | Thank you Pirate,
The National Taxpayers Union will burn it and hand deliver it to my reps. Sadly, there is no doubt how they will vote.
ntu.org will accept videos unil tomorrow, just go to their website. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2009 1:39:43 PM |
Actually this would work right into the plan, millions of angry people in the streets calling for regulatory reform of health insurance because they are currently being screwed.
This is my point what are you willing to sacrifice and what will you do to get the change that is needed.
You ask why, I ask why not. Well, I didn't ask why. In fact I understood the concept and the reasoning behind it, and I made that pretty plain in my post. Please read it again before responding to this post; sometimes I use complex sentence structure, and people such as yourself mistake what I'm writing. I said that there's simply too much to lose for those millions of people who have health insurance. Instead of restating this, I point to my post above, which I hope you'll re-read.
Moreover, the health care companies don't have enough to lose. They could stand to lose a few million customers if the alternative is a public option in which they could lose tens of millions of customers (or hundreds of millions, if you believe what some idiot Republicans have to say about the matter). It's simply impossible to get enough people to follow your well-meaning but hare-brained scheme to make it worthwhile. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2009 1:47:01 PM | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" - George Santayana
I have faith that the govt will do with health care what they always do:
1) Keep expanding benefits and keep hiking taxes to pay for it
2) Create an ever increasingly bloated bureaucracy
3) Eat up 50% of every dollar spent in waste
4) Make people fill out mounds of paperwork
5) Give illegal aliens benefits
6) Give benefits to people who don't pay any taxes
7) Illegally funnel the money for other purposes
8) Underestimate the costs by a factor of 10
9) Make promises and don't keep them
10) Over inflate what they will do and deliver much less
11) Pay off the lobbyists and special interests with sweet heart deals
12) Make the system go bankrupt
IE Social Security - Bankrupt
Medicare - Bankrupt
Medicaid - Bankrupt
Post Office - Bankrupt
U.S. Govt - Bankrupt | |
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Posted: 10/8/2009 2:32:24 PM | I agree with everything Pirate said with the exception of the following:
I don't believe this is just another bloated program. This program, and it's sense of urgency, are generational and structural. Why else would you want the bill without review, debate, transparency?
1. Generational in that the baby boomers have arrived at the time and place lonely futurists and demographers have warned about for decades...time to collect on their promised SS and healthcare benefits.
2. Structural. We are poor, even broke. There are fewer children than parents, fewer payors than payees if you will. Many unions unfunded liabilites exceed any prospect of "earning" their way out of the corner, i.e., GM is a retirement fund with a sideline in making cars. States, California is exhibit A of a failed state. Too many promises to too many people and too few willing and able to foot the bill. I read recently 15,000 millionaires (don't ask me to define that) have left California in the past 12 months which has noticeably and significantly impacted tax revenue. Dems will cry "raise the tax rates", tax payers will respond by increased out hemorraging.
So what do we do? I am against national healthcare because it is fundamentally a lie told by liars. The plan is not to fix insurance comapnies or to reduce costs in an effiiency sense, but to create a semblance of a system as we continue to crash from points #1 and #2 above. if we wanted to fix insurers, or the cost of insurance we'd simply allow buying health insurance across state lines. So then for example it might cost a 40 year old male $1,100 a month for a policy in Mass., in New Hampshire the same policy costs $300. Why is Mass so high? The government has "reformed" the system. How? They've made the 40 year old male part of a pool that pays maternity benefits, just in case I guess. They've loaded it up with ever misfit, crackhead, 1/2 completed transgender , etc. It's not an insurance company problem, it's a government problem.
Now frankly nothing would make me happier than to put all these lame libtards and their pets on a single payer system, it's the unintended consequences of impacting me should Iever get sick. Frankly standing in a queue with this bunch of whiny, malingering losers is a fate almost unimaginable. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 1:17:27 AM |
sometimes I use complex sentence structure, and people such as yourself mistake what I'm writing.
Typical Elitist libtard response
I said that there's simply too much to lose for those millions of people who have health insurance.
You prove my point, we have become a country of wussies who are not willing to do what it takes.
Yes please dumb it down for me in the future as I only have 3rd grade edumacation.
The why or why not was rhetorical. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 3:27:05 AM | fzr babe,
Reichman needs chocolate............................and waterboarding.
He hasn't responded to my offer, I might have to dumb it down...:)
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Posted: 10/9/2009 12:37:39 PM | Another little unpublicized tidbit
In 1945 The Govt gave the health care insurance industry an ANTI TRUST EXEMPTION! (McCarran-Ferguson Act of 1945 (15 U.S.C. § 1011 et seq.)
So once again, the govt CREATED the lack of competition between STATES. This explains why I cannot buy insurance from another state!
Why didn't they repeal this law years ago and lower our premiums?
http://lawandinsurance.typepad.com/law_and_insurance/2009/09/senate-bill-will-remove-antitrust-exemption-for-health-insurance.html
These are the people some want to trust with their lives. THINK AGAIN!
Why don't we eliminate that law first, then see where we stand? It's a power grab pure and simple. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 7:48:20 PM | It's all politics, but we have to keep speaking out.
I mostly watch CSPAN now and you see the garbage spew out of thier mouths uncensored. It is disgusting and frightening. | |
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Posted: 10/10/2009 3:34:00 AM | "5) Give illegal aliens benefits"
This is the one objection to health care reform that really ticks me off.
LISTEN UP
ILLEGAL ALIENS RECEIVE HEALTH CARE UNDER THE EXISTING SYSTEM
Nothing being done will increase their benefits. Republican administrations have always taken care of the illegals cause that is where their sponsoring corporations get their cheap uninsured labor. | |
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Posted: 10/10/2009 3:35:50 AM | "Why didn't they repeal this law years ago and lower our premiums?"
Because those who have become very wealthy don't want the law repealed. It would risk lowering the incomes and profits of the very wealthy. | |
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Posted: 10/10/2009 3:42:40 AM | "So then for example it might cost a 40 year old male $1,100 a month for a policy in Mass., in New Hampshire the same policy costs $300. "
What's the risk of the 40 year old male being the paternal parent of the child resulting from the pregnancy? Why shouldn't males pay for pregnancies... they are half the cause of them. | |
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Posted: 10/10/2009 5:30:52 AM |
LISTEN UP,ILLEGAL ALIENS RECEIVE HEALTH CARE UNDER THE EXISTING SYSTEM
9 billion of the 24 billion that Cali is in debt goes to provide for them, cut em off. | |
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Posted: 10/10/2009 8:41:55 AM | Frankly standing in a queue with this bunch of whiny, malingering losers is a fate almost unimaginable.
Typical elitist contard response. All too typical and sadly, rididculously prevalent to one degree or another.
Hey PH, how much loyalty does an attitude like that buy for our founding principles that y'all claim to love more than life itself?
These people vote and right now they are in ascendency, so y'all might just do better to explain your perspective in civil tones. 'Cuz if you don't, and you do lose your precious liberty as a result, your retarded ****ing bullshit attitude will be just as much to blame as the ignorance and foolishness of the left.
If you can't see that, then I guess I'll see you in the USSR. One thing though, I and my libtard friends will be at the head of the line and y'all will be the ones who are whining--and I won't have a damn bit of sympathy for you then because you will have brought it on yourselves.
Think about it, because GC, that's all the **** you do: whine.
PH, FZ, Match, and MD, y'all seem credible and thoughtful. Can't you guys get these divisive bastards on your "team" to comport themselves with some semblance of dignity? It's jerks like that this that make people stop listening to _anything_ you might say--no matter how sensible. Talk about wussies, this flavor of PC bullshit whining is just as offensive as the other. | |
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Posted: 10/10/2009 8:46:23 AM | I said that there's simply too much to lose for those millions of people who have health insurance.
You prove my point, we have become a country of wussies who are not willing to do what it takes.
Well, in all fairness this is a pretty radical step. If it were me, I'd form a health-care co-op first, and then invite everyone who hates the idea of govt. health care to join. When I had about, oh 5 million members, we'd start talking about rate and procedure adjustments.
Hell, we don't even need to provide the care. We just need a war chest of $5M and a list of names to go with it at $1 per head. There's a nonprofit out there that would be willing to act as a service organization for a health-care mutual benefit society. | |
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| Health care - ANTI TRUST EXEMPTION?
Posted: 10/10/2009 8:48:12 AM |
In 1945 The Govt gave the health care insurance industry an ANTI TRUST EXEMPTION! (McCarran-Ferguson Act of 1945 (15 U.S.C. § 1011 et seq.)
So once again, the govt CREATED the lack of competition between STATES. This explains why I cannot buy insurance from another state!
Why didn't they repeal this law years ago and lower our premiums?
PH, this is brilliant! Just the club we consumers need. Can anyone say, "Consumer's Union?" | |
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Posted: 10/10/2009 10:21:41 PM | Well Ace I believe that is one of the problems repubs have with the current proposals. For some unknown reason the government they won't let business set up co-ops but the government wants ones as part of reform. Sounds like a double standard.
Oh I know why the Fed can do it, because they will give their co-op 5 billion to set it up. So what kind of crappy rules and control will come with that 5 billion, just like any other federal money.
Not sure if I made my point.  | |
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Posted: 10/10/2009 10:26:40 PM | ^^^ As usual...you didn't.
You Contards repeatedly opine that the the US does not need to emulate other nations (Germany, Sweden, Canada, etc.) and that we can do just fine on our own, and that keeping profits pouring into health insurance corporations is a good thing. This, in SPITE of all the evidence showing that health care in the US is lagging far behind the rest of the developed world. We (Americans) pay more for health care than anywhere else in the world, but we consistently rank at the bottom of the effectiveness of that health care. This is very good for the health care business in this country, but perhaps not so good for the poor American consumers that pay through the nose for crap health care. Is it time for Reform of the so-called system? You bet your ass (and mine) that it is!!!! | |
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Posted: 10/10/2009 10:40:18 PM |
fzr babe,
Reichman needs chocolate............................and waterboarding.
He hasn't responded to my offer, I might have to dumb it down...:) Yes, I got your email, and while I'm flattered, I'm simply not gay. Best of luck in finding that right guy.  | |
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Posted: 10/10/2009 10:55:57 PM | | Elmenreich you do realize the message you put in quotes was from a woman, or do I need to explain how to see who posted what and the difference between the sexes. | |
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Posted: 10/10/2009 11:15:35 PM |
Elmenreich you do realize the message you put in quotes was from a woman, or do I need to explain how to see who posted what and the difference between the sexes. Hmph. Thanks for pointing that out. I generally don't read people's profiles on message boards (and after seeing her pictures, I wish I hadn't). In that case, my post should have read, "Yes, I got your email, and while I'm flattered by the offer, you're too ugly for me." | |
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