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| | Health care Page 8 of 46 (6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46) | | What was it? a sixth of the Dems in the Congress voted NO? It was pretty much a 50-50 vote, one side completely disapproves and a good portion of the other side doesn't buy it either... The Senate won't pass it... Even with the arm twisting! And by the way, do you Dems out there really want something that even members of your own party needs their arms twisted to go along with it? It just might not be what you think it is??? | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 9:47:27 AM | | Its a lazy solution, one that makes it possible for special interest groups and bureaucrats to roam like free range chickens in our lives. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 11:07:30 AM |
Skoo, if what's happening is over your head, then can you have a solid opinion?
I sure can. Thanks for asking. Like the old saying goes, "Opinions are like azzholes." I hope you're not burdened by me asserting my opinions and please don't imply that I am not entitled to one. We all have to share this world, ya kmow.
Thanks for summing it up for me with the "we're screwed" arguement. I have a much better understanding of this now.
What's happening isn't entirely over my head. You got that quote from a post I made about tort reform. I wrote that to reassure (as if I needed to) the reader that I am not an authority on medical law. If you would like to clear things up for me as far as tort reform goes, then feel free. But, you might want to add a little more than "we're screwed."
Have fun over reacting with your revolution. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 11:17:21 AM | Overreacting? LOL.
We would be screwed skoo. Imagine the day you get a letter from the feds saying things like this:
"You must reduce your calorie intake by 20% to stay healthy, our doctors will be checking for weight loss. Obesity is too expensive and we will not bear this responsibility..."
"The nation has decided that you will no longer ride your motorcycle more than 3 times a month, Big Government studies have demonstrated that this small change in your life will reduce your exposure to life threatening accidents. A new commission will be formed to ensure compliance. We recommend you enroll in our solar powered jetski program, while enrollment is not mandated at this point, by the year 2015 we hope to see all citizens enjoying their federally funded solarjetski instead of their deadly motorcycles."
"Our nation cares about your happiness. As of January 2011, all citizens will be issued a pill to improve their moods. We estimate that your cooperation will result in decreasing the amount of necessary mental healthcare by over 33%. We appreciate your cooperation."
When someone is in support of a "change" this big, its good to know what you support like the back of your hand, all of the ins and outs, just sayin'. The government is attempting to make a backwards connection to us. Hopefully, the people who make up the government are smart enough to prevent this from happening. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 11:40:17 AM | Yeah overreacting. Definitely with a post like that you're overreacting.
Obesity is too expensive and we will not bear this responsibility..."
Have you heard about the BABY in Colorado who was denied insurance benefits because he's too fat? A BABY is being denied insurance because he's too fat. What does the insurance company want him to do...walk more? He can't walk and unless mayonnaise is coming from his mother's breast, he can't do much to reduce his caloric intake.
You're acting as if the current health care system is so perfect and doesn't need reform. The majority of Americans agree that the current system needs to be reformed. At least the Democrats care about what the mjority wants and will take action unlike the Republicans who think the current system is working just fine. And, you wonder why Republicans lost the '08 election. Maybe it's because they are out of touch with the majority of Americans. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 11:49:59 AM | You ask Americans if they want Health Care Reform... and Yes the majority will be all over it.
You ask Americans if they want a Government Run, Universal Health Care take over... and You won't find that being the majority.
Again, are we talking reform? Making it better for everyone? Or Government Control? Something the Progressives need to turn the country into a more social government, nanny state?
Skooch... I'm with you, we need reform, I for one would like some kind of health care coverage... But not at the expense of taking away freedoms. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 11:50:24 AM | Scooch, that's what is going to start happening if they mandate health insurance. The doctors are going to start denying treatment to people if they haven't been accountable for their own health.
It's clearly not the baby's fault for being obese, but I will bet you a year's salary the parents are fat as well.
I've always stated that I would be more than happy to have a system where everyone receives great healthcare.I've also stated that I'm not the least bit interested in paying for people who smoke, drink, do drugs, eat too much, have unprotected sex and don't exercise.
Now tell me how that is going to work? | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 11:57:38 AM | ^^^So, you only want to help pay for boring people.
If it wasn't broken, then I wouldn't want anyone to try to fix it. The system is messed up and doing nothing isn't going to help. We can't sit in denial like we do with global warming and act like everything is running smoothly.
We'll basically be taking the money already spend on health insurance and give it to the government in the form of a tax. You wouldn't be paying the health insurance premium anymore.
Below: That doesn't sound very familiar to me. What country is that happening in? I don't see no one rationing much of anything, nor does the goverrnment have complete control of the media, at least not hear in America. You must be talking about N Korea or something. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 11:58:40 AM | More governmental control equals less freedom. Let's have the federal government take care of us cradle to the grave, but then THEY get to decide who gets which benefits, for the greater good, of course.
I hear echoes of George Orwell's novel 1984 ringing in my head. Just 25 years late.
From the novel 1984 :
Ministry of Plenty (Newspeak: Miniplenty)
Rations and controls food, goods, and domestic production; every fiscal quarter, the Miniplenty publishes false claims of having raised the standard of living, when it has, in fact, reduced rations, availability, and production. The Minitrue substantiates the Minplenty claims by revising historical records to report numbers supporting the current, "increased rations".
Ministry of Truth (Newspeak: Minitrue)
Controls information: news, entertainment, education, and the arts. Winston Smith works in the Minitrue RecDep (Records Department), "rectifying" historical records to concord with Big Brother's current pronouncements, thus everything the Party says is true.
Sound familiar? | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 12:12:01 PM | Ok... tell the Dems to let go of the Government take over of Health Care and discuss Tort Reform for one.... and lets see if they come to the table?
We'll basically be taking the money already spend on health insurance and give it to the government in the form of a tax. You wouldn't be paying the health insurance premium anymore.
What do you think Medicare Advantage is? Seniors pay more for better care, on top of Government run Medicare. In Canada and Europe to get the best care, they still get insurance coverage on top of Government run Health Care.
We need to fix the Health Care Insurance problem, not toss it for something worse.
And Global Warming? Skooch, I don't take you for one of those that just go along with everything the party he is associated with, believes in. There is no Global Warming.... Yes there is Climate Change, always has been, and always will be. Can we do things better to protect our environment, of course... But not by crying wolf. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 12:20:05 PM | Jack,
You'll admit that theere is climate change. How is the climate changing? I believe it is getting warmer. One only has to look at the receding glaciers to see the evidence that the globe is warming. If you're cool with calling it climate change, then that's fine. I assume the change you mean is that it's getting warmer. I just won't call it global warming and that makes it better. That's denial. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 12:23:29 PM | | The debate is not about the label but it is about the cause. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 12:28:12 PM |
You'll admit that theere is climate change. How is the climate changing? I believe it is getting warmer. One only has to look at the receding glaciers to see the evidence that the globe is warming. If you're cool with calling it climate change, then that's fine. I assume the change you mean is that it's getting warmer. I just won't call it global warming and that makes it better. That's denial.
No one can argue that there isn't global warming. People who are ignorant/uneducated like to think that mankind has nothing to do with it. People who have actually studied environmental science, climatology and similar fields will tell you that we're going through a complex system of global warming and global dimming, both caused by carbon emissions. If you study one without studying the other, it won't make sense. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 12:32:11 PM | Actually Skooch... The temp is cooling.... This is why those behind Global Warming no longer call it that, but call it Climate Change. In the past 10 years their model (Prediction) has been proven just about the opposite of what they thought was going to happen. It's all about creating a One World Order... Getting Rich Countries to pay fees for the so called hurting the environment, to give to the poor countries. It's proven that CO2 has followed the warming... not the other way around as Gore would want you to believe.
There are different things about the glaciers that we are realizing, first, the last time the climate got this warm, we did not have satellite pictures around the globe... and no records of the glacier activity than. Also, it is thought that if we really was moving into the type of global warming they have been predicting, The glaciers would be slowly just melting away... Not breaking apart because of temperature changing from Hot to Cold rapidly.
edit: I will say that we do effect our environment... But not the way the extremists would want us to believe. The Sun has more of an impact in an ongoing change as sun spots spike and what not... There really is a lot more to it... than Human CO2 | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 12:46:11 PM | | The health care system is not broken, we have no health care system. We have free enterprise combined with state and local goverment support. To give corrupt and unethical insurance companies cart blanche in dealing with covering the insured is like letting ups drivers rob homes with their authority to come onto properties and make deliveries. Insurance companies should be held criminally accountable for noodling their way out of providing services. The criminal conduct of the health insurance industry is the problem, not some imaginary healthcare system. This country has no "system" outside of programs designed to help the poor. Public and private health care programs can't be considered a system of any kind. Its no wonder some might imagine a broken health care system, but let me remind those in favor of this bill that this is America, there is no "broken healthcare system," there is only corruption, poor planning and criminal happenings in the public and private medical industry sector. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 12:55:39 PM | Core bits can drill deep into the a glacier and pull up a long ice rod which can be read like the rings of a tree. Using these rods we can tell how old the glacier is and its state of being in the past. We don't need satellite to know what a glacier's conditions were in it's past.
Records of highest recorded temperatures continue to climb.I don't think there is a vast conspiracy happening in the science community to make Al Gore rich. There are far more scientists out there who agree that global warming exists and is caused by greenhouse gases. One greenghouse gas that can be regulated is CO2. Methane is less controllable and water vapors are the hardest to control. Humans release billions and billions of tons of CO2 everday. I believe people are sticking their head in the sand when they deny that all this CO2 that we release is not having an effect on the planet's atmosphere. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 12:57:45 PM | | let's revive a global warming thread instead...ok? | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 1:00:02 PM | | Go for it. But I'm done. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 2:25:22 PM | I distinctly remember back in the mid 70`s they were crying about a new ice age being brought on by carbon emissions....25 years later they are crying about global warming...... ( last year a big global warming conference was cancelled due to very cold and snowy conditions) so now, since the weather is not agreeing with their agenda they simply call it climate change and guess what.... the climate has been changing since the beginning of time and needless to say hour by hour and day to day at times......
So what happened to that ice age 25 years ago ? I must have slept in that day and missed it.
Not to mention that Gore is in this big time with the cap and trade money pit. He stands to make mega millions.........
Follow the money baby ........ | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 2:49:48 PM | My healthcare is fine, I'm not sucking from the government teat. In fact, I'm working on the frontline.
I went to lunch today with my dad. On the way out, there was a man who if I had to guess, weighed 400 pounds sitting in a scooter on the corner.
He didn't want to wait for the light so he crossed against it............stopped a whole line of cars on a busy 8 lane street in Chula Vista. All I could think of was I bet the ACLU would take his case if he got hit, claiming he was handicapped and it was prejudical to not let him cross. Or that it was a "gland" problem.
I just want to ask him if all those burgers were worth it. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 5:33:33 PM | | Dems using global warming as evidence of their rightness lol. All they need to do is explain why 10,000 years ago chicago was under a mile of ice, The planets in the solar system were warming and now colling, why glaciars are growing, and Gore won't debate Lord Moncton dept of environmental science, President Klaus of the EU, and on and on. you dopey libs should stick to shaking down people trying to cross picket lines at your union rallies. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 11:17:17 PM |
I distinctly remember back in the mid 70`s they were crying about a new ice age being brought on by carbon emissions....25 years later they are crying about global warming Well, again there are two competing climate changes going on as a result of carbon emissions. Global warming and global dimming. The amount of sunlight that reaches the Earth is considerably less than it was 20 years ago. This effect wasn't taken into consideration, and models of temperature change were affected.
Without carbon emissions, we might be in the middle of an ice age, according to some models. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 11:24:08 PM | GC,
Ten thousand years ago the Bible wasn't invented. How would you like to speculate on the amount of ice was over Chicago during that time? | |
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Posted: 11/10/2009 12:06:18 AM | Actually, there were glaciers as far south as what's now Nebraska. I'm hardly an expert on Pleistocene glaciation, but I'm pretty sure no one is very sure what caused the four glaciations (if that's the right term). Researchers have various theories, but no overwhelming evidence to support any of them. If the last one only ended 12,000 years ago, when the first people were already here, and if there was at least that much times between glaciations, how do we know that #4 was the last in the series?
Oh--we know about the thickness of the ice sheet because the people at the time were kind enough to leave records. We have complete descriptions of how they triangulated and used the length of shadows to estimate the height of the ice, and just what they came up with. It was all on stone tablets that were discovered when they were excavating to build Wrigley Field. It's taken all this time to translate them. They also seem to contain some predictions about when the Cubs will win a World Series, but apparently the date's hard to decipher. | |
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Posted: 11/10/2009 7:35:52 AM | | For those of you who support this bill I will ask this, why are you not looking at this bill as critically as you did the patriot act. Even if you support it can really trust that everything in the 1900 pages is actually about health care or good for a our freedoms. This is just big government getting bigger, just the other side of the coin. | |
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