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Posted: 10/21/2009 5:10:04 PM |
I cant beleive you milked this thing for 10 pages...Freaking incredible!
And here you are posting on the 11th. | |
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Posted: 10/21/2009 7:08:49 PM | And I pointed out that all of the ridiculous conspiracy crap was not a very effective way to make (as in, "get across", "make known", "illustrate", "outline") that point... if, in fact, that actually was the ultimate point rather than simply trying to foist some rdiculous conspiracy crap off on others.
To say it is a governmental and social response, is not conspiracy "crap". It is an observation based upon fact. To interpret it as a "conspiracy theory", is purely subjective. One in which, I did not make.
Pharmaceutical companies are also making a mint, off of this anticipated "pandemic". This is also a fact. To interpret it as a "conspiracy theory", is purely subjective. One in which, again, I did not make.
The balance of probabilities (given the OP's woeful lack of knowledge and scientific rigour) lead to the conclusion that the debatable nature of the recent pandemic predictions was merely a point that he ACCIDENTLY got right in the midst of all that other "evil vaccine conspiracy"nonsense.
I am with ya...
The sum total of the OP's posts indicate that the question of whether a pandemic is, in fact, looming is merely incidental to his unscientific, emotional, illogical, conspiratorial delusions about vaccinations and mainstream medicine in general.
Meh. There is still some merit there, in the original post, that has more to do with constitutional rights, as opposed to the "healthy benefits" of the swine flu vaccine...
And again, I invoke the two words...Universal Precautions...you are an intelligent man...I am sure you must get it... | |
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Posted: 10/22/2009 6:38:34 AM | My daughter went into a 3 month coma and died from the FLU Shot that she was mandated to get for WORK! She has now been brought back to life and is in a WHEELCHAIR since she cannot walk. I am an RN, BSN and I will not sacrifice my life for a job! There is another way to bring up your IMMUNITIES rather than shots. It is what you EAT that either kills your cells or keeps them alive. GREEN LEAFY VEGETABLES uncooked increases your IMMUNITIES because of the chloryphl and raw organic foods (fruits and vegetables) heal your cells. Cooked, dead foods, kill your cells and cause disease. Animal products mainly. They are filled with hormones and pesticides on the plants. Organic, Living foods feed your cells and heal your cells no matter what you are going through. Look up WHEATGRASS, livingfoodsinstitute.com and get the Living Foods Lifestyle Book and also the Hallejuah Diet Book. That will explain alot.
No to flu shots. Does it make sense to infect your body with more pollutants? If your body is not built up with alot of immunities what will happen if it can't fight off the immunizations? Ask yourself this.  | |
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Posted: 10/22/2009 7:15:51 AM | My daughter went into a 3 month coma and died from the FLU Shot that she was mandated to get for WORK! She has now been brought back to life and is in a WHEELCHAIR since she cannot walk. I am an RN, BSN and I will not sacrifice my life for a job!
Hasty generalization. I'm sorry that your daughter went through that, but just because it happened to one person doesn't mean it will happen to everyone. In fact, this happens to a very slight minority. Flu shots are only good if you have a good immunity. If your immunity isn't good, than you wont be able to handle it.
GREEN LEAFY VEGETABLES uncooked increases your IMMUNITIES because of the chloryphl and raw organic foods (fruits and vegetables) heal your cells.
I eat a bowl of salad about once every three months. I'm rarely ever sick. The last time I was truly sick was over a year ago when I was poisoned by arby's.
Cooked, dead foods, kill your cells and cause disease
This is a load of bullshit. Disease is created by germs. Cooked food, obviously dead, kills germs. Disease can't randomly be created by killing the germs after you cook it. If the food is dead and you DON'T cook it than yes, there will be a lot of decomposition germs which are deteriorating the object in question. But cooking said food will kill off the germs, although it wont taste that great, it shouldn't kill you if you cook it.
Learn germ theory imo.. ms RN.. =\
No to flu shots. Does it make sense to infect your body with more pollutants? If your body is not built up with alot of immunities what will happen if it can't fight off the immunizations? Ask yourself this.
No matter how many greens you eat and no matter how much you try to build up your immune system does not matter in terms of the flu. Your lack of understanding of the immune system is disturbing. | |
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Posted: 10/22/2009 7:32:53 AM | Double shots around here for health care workers. Swine flu shot and a regular flu shot. Why? Because flu shots work!
Don't want to take them? Employers here say "fine". Then workers must wear a face mask at all times.
Some places decided that a mandatory shot was going to be their final word. Great. Lots of people out there willing to get the shot and go to work.
Don't want the shot? Fine...perhaps a new job is in order for you anyways. | |
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Posted: 10/22/2009 8:27:09 AM |
My daughter went into a 3 month coma and died from the FLU Shot that she was mandated to get for WORK! She has now been brought back to life and is in a WHEELCHAIR since she cannot walk.
I just have one question. How long after she died was it until she was brought back to life? Was it three days? I mean if it was, you may very well have the second coming of Jesus on your hands. Not trying to be mean, but something in this statement just doesn't add up.
As far as other things to build the immune system, your right, there are things one can do to build their immune system.
Your employer has a duty to follow all state regulations, and the state has a duty to protect the public from itself, because lets face it, it's not to difficult to see sometimes that we are too stupid to protect ourselves. If you can't follow the policies of your employer and thusly follow state regulations, then its time to find a new line of work.
The rest of us have to live within rules and regulations to keep our jobs, why should health care professionals be any different. | |
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Posted: 10/22/2009 8:55:27 AM | | Flu shots don't work. No science does. Not even gravity. I would nominate candidates from certain contributors to this thread to test that theory. | |
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Posted: 10/22/2009 10:49:14 AM |
Flu shots don't work. No science does. Not even gravity. I would nominate candidates from certain contributors to this thread to test that theory.
How about you go first...and I will watch from over here...  | |
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Posted: 10/22/2009 11:29:19 AM | My daughter went into a 3 month coma and died from the FLU Shot that she was mandated to get for WORK! She has now been brought back to life and is in a WHEELCHAIR since she cannot walk I'm so sorry to learn about your daughter.
But, rather than place the entire blame on the flu shot, I'm suspecting that other health problems contributed to the situation.
And perhaps if someone's pre-existing health problems were that severe, they would have had the same result or worse, by getting the flu, rather than the vaccine?
Organic, Living foods feed your cells and heal your cells no matter what you are going through. I don't even no how to begin adressing this bullshit.
I will admit that proper diet greatly contributes to good health.
But, to state that organic foods, or uncooked foods will "heal your cells no matter what", is some of the most absurb crap I've ever heard.
You're an RN??? Would you honestly tell a patient, suffering from serious cancer, to forgo convential medicine to heal himself with organic food? | |
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Posted: 10/22/2009 1:03:18 PM | My daughter went into a 3 month coma and died from the FLU Shot that she was mandated to get for WORK! She has now been brought back to life and is in a WHEELCHAIR since she cannot walk.
If your daughter had a pathological immune response to a vaccine then neither you or any of her siblings should take the vaccine, there may be a predispostion to develop this reaction that runs in the family (though there may not be as well, but family history would be a valid reason to avoid it).
That, however, has no bearing on others. Some may have a family history of a disorder that require them to be tested more frequently, pay closer attention to thier diet, etc but that does not mean that another without that family history need, or should, take the same precautions.
It is one thing to advocate for your own health based on personal/family medical history and another entirely to generalize your history to the needs of others.
If your body is not built up with alot of immunities what will happen if it can't fight off the immunizations?
Immunizations don't have to be "fought off" as they are not infections in the same sense as the illness they are intended to immunize against (live vector vaccines which do contain a severely weakened but live form of the virus are a slightly different case and can, in rare cases, lead to development of the actual illness). If the body does not produce an immune response then there will be no negative consequences beyond not developing an immunity. The flu vaccine is NOT a live vector vaccine and as such does not give you the flu. | |
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Posted: 10/22/2009 2:59:22 PM | My granddaughter went for her 9 month checkup. The nurse wanted to know about any medications she was on or any that she was allergic to. We told her that my granddaughter has NEVER had any medications as she has NEVER been sick.
My granddaughter has also NEVER been vaccinated. In all my years of taking care of babies......mine and many other people's babies I have NEVER seen a child so well as my granddaughter is and so intelligent and advanced for her age. She is trying to walk.
That isn't just bragging.
The doctor entered the room, examined her then he took something out of his pocket and began rubbing it all over my granddaughter's teeth without so much as asking permission or telling us what he was about to do beforehand. My mouth dropped open in shock and as I glanced over at my daughter I saw her mouth drop open in shock. He quickly threw away the package and tried to continue as if nothing had just happened. I asked him what he had just done and he started mumbling about the state and requirements, dentists, and tooth decay. He put a drug on my granddaughter's teeth that has only been tested on 200 children that is suppose to prevent cavities. He openly admitted he knew nothing about this drug and claimed it was created in Corpus Christi. We researched the drug and it was created in Arkansas. I feel that what he did was highly unethical and illegal. I am appalled that he did such a thing and still totally shocked by his actions.
After all was said and done he said he was sorry that they did not have the flu vaccine yet to which my daughter reiterated that she does not approve of vaccinations.
There comes a point when people have to do their own research, to do their own soul searching, and come to logical conclusions for themselves. When we are so controlled that we allow government institutions to play God and doctors and/or other professionals to play God and make our decisions for us then we are truly subservient to others. I feel that we are all put on this earth to live our lives the way we see fit and with the ability to discern what is right for us and our loved ones without having to be lead around blindfolded while other control everything.
I'm so amazed when people cannot see this. | |
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Posted: 10/22/2009 4:31:09 PM | | ^^ twightlight, you are right the Dr. had no right to give the child anything that was not allowed by the parent. My Mother rarely gave us medications unless we were really sick and needed it, which was rare. As being unvaccinated, I am curious if you will respect other parents rights who do not want your granddaughter around their children and in their school since she potentially could be a disease carrier of Mumps and Measles since she is not vaccinated against them and other diseases. | |
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Posted: 10/22/2009 6:08:22 PM | My granddaughter went for her 9 month checkup. The nurse wanted to know about any medications she was on or any that she was allergic to. We told her that my granddaughter has NEVER had any medications as she has NEVER been sick.
My granddaughter has also NEVER been vaccinated. In all my years of taking care of babies......mine and many other people's babies I have NEVER seen a child so well as my granddaughter is and so intelligent and advanced for her age. She is trying to walk.
First, I'll point out that your observations are somewhat biased, quite naturally so...
Second, I'll ask... The point is...?
I'm not the least bit surprised that she has not been sick nor had any medication.... she's NINE MONTHS OLD!... it is not particularly unusual for a baby to go through the first 9 months without getting sick... and even less unusual for a baby to go through the first 9 months without needing medication..
... and she SHOULD be in the process of trying to walk by now... the normal developmental range for walking is 9 to 17 months (6 to 17 months if you include standing)... if she was walking, and not just trying to, at 8 months then she might be a prodigy.
The absence of vaccinations has nothing to do with it... at all... at least not in regards to the things you weren't bragging about...
... but I think you miss the point of those vaccinations... they are there in hopes of avoiding having your granddaughter pass communicable diseases around to other children...
... they are there in hopes of ERADICATING as much illness as possible... it worked for smallpox and only because a sufficient percentage of the world's population was immunized against it...
... there were hopes of achieving this with polio by the turn of the century... it did not happen and a huge part of the reason was people refusing to have children vaccinated...
... measles should have been next on the list...
... if you refuse a smallpox vaccine, you do nothing to put others at risk... if you refuse another... you contribute to ensuring the continued suffering of others... you are actively preventing disease being cured...
... and yet it is somehow your right to impose the continued burden of disease... disease which can be truly, completely cured through eradication... on the rest of us? | |
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Posted: 10/23/2009 6:58:26 AM |
As being unvaccinated, I am curious if you will respect other parents rights who do not want your granddaughter around their children and in their school since she potentially could be a disease carrier of Mumps and Measles since she is not vaccinated against them and other diseases.
My granddaughter will be the first in my family to not be vaccinated. My 4 adult children all have ADHD without the hyperactivity. Choosing not to vaccinate is a growing trend as more and more research has shown that Thimersol in the vaccines are causing Autism and might be the cause of ADHD as well.
You ask whether or not I will respect a parents choice and whether I would shelter my grandchild from the vaccinated or not as protection for them. I can never recall anyone ever asking me whether my children were vaccinated or not or ever asking anyone if their children were vaccinated or not. There are laws in place that protect the privacy of our medical decisions so anyone discussing those choices other than the person or persons that it involves is illegal and so no one else can state that. | |
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Posted: 10/23/2009 7:14:39 AM | Um...having ADD/ADHD is something one inherits...I have it, as do my sons, as did my father, as does my grandson...Vaccines didn't cause ADD in my family.
Choosing not to vaccinate is certainly your right--and it's my right to work in a healthy, safe environment.
What are you going to do when that baby is in preschool and is exposed to chicken pox? Mumps? Measles?
Eating greef leafies won't protect her.
Will you require her to wear a mask while at school?
At the grocery store?
At church?
At the park? | |
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Posted: 10/23/2009 8:16:05 AM |
Um...having ADD/ADHD is something one inherits...I have it, as do my sons, as did my father, as does my grandson...Vaccines didn't cause ADD in my family.
Choosing not to vaccinate is certainly your right--and it's my right to work in a healthy, safe environment.
What are you going to do when that baby is in preschool and is exposed to chicken pox? Mumps? Measles?
Eating greef leafies won't protect her.
Will you require her to wear a mask while at school?
At the grocery store?
At church?
At the park?
She has been around many sick people and is not wearing a mask. I believe that our bodies are efficient machines that build up their own immunities. The problem usually comes in when we introduce foreign chemicals such as drugs, pesticides, herbicides, pollution, etc. Vaccines appear to alter our bodies ability to fight off infection naturally and thus leave us with immune deficiencies that leave us more susceptible to diseases. I am no scientist. I'm simply going on personal experience with vaccines and drugs. It was not too awfully long ago that parents took their children to the child with chicken pox to expose them with it thus preventing them from getting it later in life and those children usually got a milder case of chicken pox. | |
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Posted: 10/23/2009 9:10:03 AM |
This is a load of bullshit. Disease is created by germs. Cooked food, obviously dead, kills germs
True, however, for Botulism you must boil food such as aspargrass and other greens
more than 10 minutes. Then your not 100% sure the bacteria is killed.
I wouldn't be so hard on a Lady who's daughter suffered unbelieveable
harm from a shot she was forced to take. | |
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Posted: 10/23/2009 9:36:28 AM |
As being unvaccinated, I am curious if you will respect other parents rights who do not want your granddaughter around their children and in their school since she potentially could be a disease carrier of Mumps and Measles since she is not vaccinated against them and other diseases
Why even worry if the rest of the School is Vaccinated against those
very diseases ??????? UNLESS YOU HAVE LITTLE FAITH IN VACCINES? | |
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Posted: 10/23/2009 10:09:40 AM |
I bet you have a hard time keeping a doctor with that attitude (though I imagine there are some who would tolerate such ignorant abuse if the price is right).
Wow! ( If the Price is right) is indeed the reason many MD'S premote this
POISON to the public, then by addmission (see Dr. Richard Daines) announce
in public " They are not going to get the N1H1 shot!
There has to be a point where what is best for the public supercedes the
individual right of others
By this very same logic, if indeed it starts with Mandates for flu shots, where
will it end? This very same logic will indeed lead to ANY HEALTHCARE WORKER
WITHOUT FAMILY, MUSY GIVE UP A KIDNEY OR FACE LOSING THEIR
JOB AS A RESULT. I admit it's far fetched, however, is it really once the STATE
starts making unconsititutional MANDATES? | |
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Posted: 10/23/2009 10:14:32 AM | By this very same logic, if indeed it starts with Mandates for flu shots, where
will it end? This very same logic will indeed lead to ANY HEALTHCARE WORKER
WITHOUT FAMILY, MUSY GIVE UP A KIDNEY OR FACE LOSING THEIR
JOB AS A RESULT. I admit it's far fetched, however, is it really once the STATE
starts making unconsititutional MANDATES?
AAAAAAaaaaaaaa. . . .
. .. aaaaaaaaHHHhhhhhhh. . .
. . . I'm falling down a slippery slope! | |
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Posted: 10/23/2009 10:14:35 AM |
Choosing not to vaccinate is a growing trend as more and more research has shown that Thimersol in the vaccines are causing Autism and might be the cause of ADHD as well.
I don't think the data is supporting your point of view.
In a large population-based study published online today, researchers at the UC Davis MIND Institute report that after adjusting for a number of factors, typically developing children and children with autism have similar levels of mercury in their blood streams. Mercury is a heavy metal found in other studies to adversely affect the developing nervous system.
The study looked at a wide variety of sources of mercury in the participants' environments, including fish consumption, personal-care products (such as nasal sprays or earwax removal products, which may contain mercury) and the types of vaccinations they received. The study also examined whether children who have dental fillings made of the silver-colored mercury-based amalgam and who grind their teeth or chew gum had higher blood-mercury levels. In fact, those children who both chew gum and have amalgams did have higher blood-mercury levels.
But the consumption of fish — such as tuna and other ocean fish and freshwater fish — was far and away the biggest and most significant predictor of blood-mercury levels. Data on most possible sources of mercury — fish consumption and dental amalgams — were collected by interviews with the study subjects' parents. Information on vaccines was obtained from the child's vaccination and medical records. A few children had recently had a vaccine containing mercury, and their blood-mercury levels were not elevated.
Of the 452 participants included in the research, 249 were diagnosed with autism, 143 were developing typically and 60 had other developmental delays, such as Down syndrome. At the outset, the children with autism appeared to have significantly lower blood-mercury levels than the typically developing children.
But children with autism tend to be picky eaters and, in this study, ate less fish. When adjusted for their lower levels of fish consumption, their blood-mercury concentrations were roughly the same as those of children with typical development and very similar to those found in a nationally representative sample of 1- to 5-year-old children
Maybe you should let your children get vaccinated to protect themselves and others and stop serving them fish, if mercury is your big concern. Some diseases such as measles and whooping cough are making a come back due to families that refuse to vaccinate. | |
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Posted: 10/23/2009 1:36:33 PM |
My 4 adult children all have ADHD without the hyperactivity.
Well... if you MUST lay blame for thier ADHD then you should lay it at the proper feet... mommy and daddy... because that is where the primary causation lies... it ain't the vaccinations...
Choosing not to vaccinate is a growing trend as more and more research has shown that Thimersol in the vaccines are causing Autism and might be the cause of ADHD as well.
The evidence OVERWHELMING indicates that Thimersol is NOT a factor in autism... and the people who claim it is tend to do so because they are afraid that it might be caused by... mommy and daddy... because that's where the primary causation lies... autism is primarily genetic... it ain't the vaccinations...
Vaccines appear to alter our bodies ability to fight off infection naturally and thus leave us with immune deficiencies that leave us more susceptible to diseases.
You do know that vaccinations work through NATURAL PROCESSES... the VERY SAME natural processes that allow you to fight disease... don't you?
I am no scientist.
We never would have guessed if you hadn't told us...
...But hey... if you would rather believe some crap you came across on the internet... fine... but just remember...
...Every vaccination you refuse... is a disease that will not be cured through eradication... and then it becomes our business and our rights too...
...Do you feel good about knowing that you are directly contributing to the continued suffering of the entire world... suffering that could be cured... but won't be... because of you and others like you? | |
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Posted: 10/23/2009 2:01:08 PM | | Twilight the reason people were not asked is because most children were vaccinated so it wasn't an issue, now people are choosing not to get the vaccine. You didn't answer my question would you respect parents not wanting your grandchild around their children because your grandchild might be carrying a disease such as mumps,measles, polio or any number of diseases. Do they not have the same right to protect their family against disease. Yes the body is an amazing thing and our immune system are disigned to protect us and keep us alive, but do some research on diseases of the past and how many people young and old suffered and died, they had immune systems too and it didn't save them. Perhaps people should protest against the use of Thimersol and other potential harmful ingredients used when making the vaccines, if companies were forced by law to use safer measures, then this issue could be resolved. | |
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Posted: 10/23/2009 2:29:53 PM |
Why even worry if the rest of the School is Vaccinated against those
very diseases ???????
Because every unvaccinated child is a potential host...
... the source of disease that might be passed from the unvaccinated child through a vaccinated child to younger, not yet vaccinated siblings... or a fetus being carried by mom...
... Every unvaccinated child is a potential "patient zero" for all the children too young to have been vaccinated yet...
...Every unvaccinated child is a potential host for a disease which could, otherwise, have been cured through eradication...
UNLESS YOU HAVE LITTLE FAITH IN VACCINES?
... And here you thought your ludicrous red herring was the answer. | |
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