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| My body,My choice!
Posted: 10/8/2009 5:48:06 PM | The government does not even give you dominion regarding your choice to end your own
life.
There are many basic human rights you just don't got; so take your shot, pay your taxes, and shut-up.
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Posted: 10/8/2009 7:28:56 PM | | It should be noted that the amount of those "dangerous" chemicals in the flu shot are miniscule. Maybe if you bathed, ate, and drank them, they'd harm you but the amounts that are in the shots are (in my opinion and the opinion of most health professionals) insignificant. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2009 11:37:32 PM |  Don't get the shot, start looking for a new job. Why is there always someone whining about flu shots? Have you ever read the history of the flu? Don't give me that crap about the flu not being anything and if you've never had the flu, well lucky you, me, when I get the flu (usually from people who refuse to get the shot then show up in stores and at work with the damn flu!) I end up in the hospital hooked up to oxygen for a couple of weeks. Boohoohoo to you for having to get a damn shot. Suck it up. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 6:20:18 AM | No Haze,
it's people like you who take the shot, that I have to end up taking care
of, while the nurses have to clean your azz! Neither you or the Government
have the right to tell me what I have to put in my body! So be a sheep and
follow the herd. Not me. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 6:26:24 AM | I appreciate your position.
The question that I would have
Is it safe?
As a professional , we often subject ourselves to harm.
This is a reality that exist far beyond the medical profession and is for each us to make an educated decision.
The bad situation is when knowledge is removed and we blindly go where angels darn.
dance | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 6:37:10 AM |
Would you have told that to a woman 50 years ago who lost her job because she was pregnant? A pregant woman is not contagious at any point in her pregnancy, there's no danger to patients because of this therefore this is a moot point.
Can an employer tell someone what to do with their body in order for them to keep their job? They do it all the time... no visible tattoos, no facial or body piercings other than the ears and those kept to a minimum with conservative jewelry, no unnatural hair colours. All of these things are within the employer's right to dictate as they reflect on the company's image. A company can also demand that perfumes not be used or that a person bathe regularly. This is also by no means a comprehensive list of the things employers have the right to demand of their staff...
When in Rome... | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 6:42:54 AM |
It should be noted that the amount of those "dangerous" chemicals in the flu shot are miniscule
Try telling that to the 27 people who died and the 500 people that
came down with GBS after the last "Swine Flu" shot in 1976.
All those people sued the Government for Millions. Now...
there is a clause in this new N1H1 that gives the Government immunity
if anything from sudden cardiac arrest to GBS. You just become a "Oh well."
Also tell the thousand of MD'S and Nurses who Marched in Albany NY last
week that the Majority of health care workers agree with Mandated Flu shots. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 6:49:44 AM | Don't get me wrong, having said what I said earlier in this thread, I still wouldn't personally be thrilled about having to get the H1N1 shot.....
My doctor in fact told me just last week, when I was there and I inquired about it to get his opinion on it, that he is in line to get one himself (as soon as the hospital gets enough of them) because it's just been mandated for the hospital employees there (Loyola near Chicago), but he told me frankly to forget it. He said, paraphrasing, "It's too new, I wouldn't recommend it. If anything get a regular flu shot, particularly if you work daily in any sort of institution or you work dealing with large segments of the general public, and/or just keep up your basic hygiene, try for decent rest, take a vitamin daily...", and so on. I don't work in any institutional type settings, nor do I generally have to deal with large segments of the general public on a daily basis, thus..... I'm going to just keep doing what I've been doing. Oh and by the way, he said definitely not to ever do the "nasal spray" version of the H1N1 vaccine. Not sure exactly why, but, that's just what he said. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 7:25:12 AM |
They do it all the time... no visible tattoos, no facial or body piercings other than the ears and those kept to a minimum with conservative jewelry, no unnatural hair colours. All of these things are within the employer's right to dictate as they reflect on the company's image.
I don't see the connection here? There's a big difference between being forced
to not wear a certain hair color vs mandating an invasive procedure that
could cause health problems or even death! | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 7:26:53 AM |
Also tell the thousand of MD'S and Nurses who Marched in Albany NY last
week that the Majority of health care workers agree with Mandated Flu shots. I don't understand the purpose of this statement. Are you implying that the majority of NY health care workers were there? I'm sure that's not the case.
I tried to find information about how many showed up; any and all news items I found were written before the march. Nothing easily found afterward (although I'm sure there's something.) How did it go? Hopefully it wasn't a flop.
A gaggle of people protesting doesn't mean they hold the majority opinion. Not that the majority opinion is the most important thing here, though.
It will be interesting to see what happens here. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 7:27:37 AM | Here's a thought...
The contaminants in the subcutaneous injection version are what is in question. If your employer bought the "good stuff" - the nasal spray vaccine - then it might help without harming. I say MIGHT because as of the first of the month they still weren't sure if it was potent enough to take effect, or if you need a second dose. They won't know until those innoculated either don't get it or do. Taking the regular annual shot and then the H1N1(2009) shot could cause your immune system to fail to immunize you against the H1N1(2009), according to some researchers and doctors. So they're recommending doing the H1N1'09 thing. It takes a couple of weeks for the average body to build up immunity. I'm distinguishing H1N1'09 from other H1N1, since it's the one everyone is so hopped up about. The annual flu shot usually has a different strain of H1N1 included - depending on virulence in the field.
The annual flu vaccine batches are started at least half a year before the "flu season". This swine flu strain wasn't identified and isolated until sometime in April of this year. By then, the annual flu vaccines had already been in production for a couple of months. They didn't start production for the Mexican variety until sometime in May. The annual vaccine has a lead time of about 6 months to produce HIGH QUALITY vaccine, by a process that has been tested by repeated use for years. The '09 H1N1 vaccine was a hurry-up, slap-it-together affair. They needed to get it into the population by late September/first of October - almost a couple of months shy of normal. So knowing they wouldn't have enough material for the regular type of formulation they came up with the diluted version with the adjuvants added to extend it.
Take the nasal spray, and thereby avoid the shot along with any squalene or other unknown/little-tested adjuvants/contaminants mixed into it. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 7:37:38 AM | I don't see the connection here? There's a big difference between being forced
to not wear a certain hair color vs mandating an invasive procedure that
could cause health problems or even death! C'mon... is this melodramatic or what?
First of all, the comments were in response to whether or not the employer had a right to dictate how a person treats their body in the workplace... so I was giving specific examples that are NOT under question. Here's a specific scenario that encompasses getting an injection.
You're working for a company and part of your job requires travel. Not a problem... then, one day the company expands and travel is now to outside of the country you are in, and in order to travel to that country, you are required to get immunized for specific things. You refuse, you can't do your job, you're fired... justifiably so...
I understand you're wanting a free ride on this, hell... anyone would want to get paid for sitting on their ass at home watching pay-per-view. But c'mon... quit with the melodramatics and all that garbage. If you don't want to do your job... don't do it... but don't expect a wave of support from people that do go into work each day and rely on others to make sure it's a safe and healthy work environment and that you aren't putting others at risk because of your negligence. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 7:46:40 AM | Interestingly I read in today's newspaper that epidemiologists in NY and other cities "who were awash in swine flu last spring are detecting very little evidence of a resurgence." This is because the people's immune systems were already exposed and their natural defense mechanisms have developed immunity which has kept it from spreading.
This is definitely worth repeating, with regards to this discussion. Immunities are upon exposure to viruses. Those who have died from the the "flu", didn't die because of the flu; they died from secondary infections. A virus will tie up the immune system, thus weakening it, which will lay it wide open for a bacterial infection. Irony, most of the bacteria that causes an infection, comes from our own bodies.
Interesting, that the original vaccines came from the blood of a person who had recovered from the virus.
Most flu vaccines are synthetic, which gives credit to the pharmaceutical companies making a tidy amount, however it doesn't necessarily have to denote a conspiracy...
They do it all the time... no visible tattoos, no facial or body piercings other than the ears and those kept to a minimum with conservative jewelry, no unnatural hair colours. All of these things are within the employer's right to dictate as they reflect on the company's image. A company can also demand that perfumes not be used or that a person bathe regularly. This is also by no means a comprehensive list of the things employers have the right to demand of their staff...
With much respect Lint Spotter, (much respect) there is a difference with regards to rights, in that one is complying with a dress code and the other is an agreement of an injection in one's own body...
To me, big difference. Especially, with greater respect to the right to govern one's own body...this will touch on abortion rights, euthanasia rights, etc...but that is taking a political, broad picture stance...
Oh and by the way, he said definitely not to ever do the "nasal spray" version of the H1N1 vaccine. Not sure exactly why, but, that's just what he said.
It is because it is a "live", and not a fully researched virus. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 8:11:22 AM |
I understand you're wanting a free ride on this
Wrong. I don't want a free anything.... except for the choice what goes in my body
via injection!
If you don't want to do your job... don't do it... but don't expect a wave of support from people that do go into work each day and rely on others to make sure it's a safe and healthy work environment and that you aren't putting others at risk because of your negligence.
Negligence??? There are many infectious diseases that have no vaccine and
for that last 20 years, I've been exposed to all of them without compliant because thats what I do. Now there is an alleged vaccine for the Flu ( which is not a disease) and
and my experience tells me I don't want to take it because I've personally seen it does
not work...so now I'm Negligent????? SIGH...... | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 8:12:28 AM | | i think if its your body then it should be your call on what u do. if want want to have a abortion , then do it i guess. but i also think that the choices people make shouldnt effect others, for example, its your choice to have a child, but if u are on welfare, dont exspect me to help pay for the choice you made. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 8:40:40 AM |
Oh and by the way, he said definitely not to ever do the "nasal spray" version of the H1N1 vaccine. Not sure exactly why, but, that's just what he said. It is because it is a "live", and not a fully researched virus.
True, FluMist uses a live virus, but not quite the whole Mexican Swine Flu virus. They start with an attenuated (weakened) base donor strain of virus, then they recombine it with the H and N components of the 2009 H1N1 virus. The weak stock virus is nowhere near as virulent as other flu. It just carries the DNA components into your body. That gives your body enough time to find it, recognize the new H and N segments and build antibodies against them. Your system overwhelms and kills off the weak carrier virus in about a week, leaving you immunized against the more virulent strain (compared to two weeks for the injections). (This is provided you have a healthy system - thus the warnings of only those between ages 2-49 taking it.).
This is the same way they make their regular FluMist vaccine each year.
P.S. - $11.80 per dose is what they're charging the government. The government is giving it to states at no cost, who then turn around and give it to clinics or pharmacies, who charge you $20-$30 for the cost of someone hired to administer it. Astrazeneca isn't even close to making back it's development and acquisition costs. They're just trying to get people to try their vaccine method. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 9:17:13 AM | True, FluMist uses a live virus, but not quite the whole Mexican Swine Flu virus. They start with an attenuated (weakened) base donor strain of virus, then they recombine it with the H and N components of the 2009 H1N1 virus. The weak stock virus is nowhere near as virulent as other flu. It just carries the DNA components into your body. That gives your body enough time to find it, recognize the new H and N segments and build antibodies against them.
I am with you, on this...
That gives your body enough time to find it, recognize the new H and N segments and build antibodies against them. Your system overwhelms and kills off the weak carrier virus in about a week, leaving you immunized against the more virulent strain (compared to two weeks for the injections). (This is provided you have a healthy system - thus the warnings of only those between ages 2-49 taking it.).
In theory, and most likely, but does not always provide predictability.
P.S. - $11.80 per dose is what they're charging the government. The government is giving it to states at no cost, who then turn around and give it to clinics or pharmacies, who charge you $20-$30 for the cost of someone hired to administer it. Astrazeneca isn't even close to making back it's development and acquisition costs. They're just trying to get people to try their vaccine method.
This provides a discourse in economics and marketing. The insinuation that they are just "trying" to get people to test out their vaccine method, seems more strategic within the context of capitalistic economics. I am not saying that it is premeditated, I am saying that it may possibly be opportunistic.
This is the same way they make their regular FluMist vaccine each year.
Again, in theory, and most likely, but does not always provide predictability.
The flu vaccine's creators and distributors, can not always predict the mutations that will occur within the virus. So that negates the predictability of the anticipated virus. Well, not completely negate. Only narrows it down in its probability factor. After all, how many times have they failed in predicting a vaccine, that will completely immunize a person from the flu?
I don't believe a person should be subjected to an injection against their own wishes, in order to keep their job.
I am uncomfortable with the amount of mercury in the vaccines. It may be minuscule, but its effects could be systemic... | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 9:44:28 AM | Stormwolf ... I totally agree with your position. "Neither you or the Government have the right to tell me what I have to put in my body".
The trouble with being one of the sheep who doesn't "follow the herd", is that there are always consequences for our "disobedience". | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 10:58:01 AM | I found a story about the "thousands" of protesters all 200 of them yup two hundred.
It was organised by a conservative "tea bagger" libertarian and featured the usual holistic"alternative medicine" and austism nuts. The only MD to speak is an "alternatve medicine" doctor. A bunch of flakes basically.
Source: www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/23264/ | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 11:07:58 AM |
It was organised by a conservative "tea bagger" libertarian and featured the usual holistic"alternative medicine" and austism nuts. The only MD to speak is an "alternatve medicine" doctor. A bunch of flakes basically.
Which is pretty much the ENTIRE "vaccines are an evil conspiracy to turn us into sheep/make us sick for profit/cull the population" crowd in a nutshell. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 11:49:40 AM | | PLEASE READ AGAIN! The union would not get involved with the protest. There were two hundred protesting in albany. That is a misrepresentation of the facts. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 12:00:11 PM |
Which is pretty much the ENTIRE "vaccines are an evil conspiracy to turn us into sheep/make us sick for profit/cull the population" crowd in a nutshell.
Yeah, your a smoker! I'm sure you don't believe all that bullshit about
the negative effects of smoking either! No way do tobacco companys profit off making
anyone sick!!!!!  | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 12:08:51 PM | Yeah, your a smoker! I'm sure you don't believe all that bullshit about
the negative effects of smoking either! No way do tobacco companys profit off making
anyone sick!!!!!
 Pitiful and off-topic effort....
Perhaps, just perhaps, I enjoy it enough to not care (how do you know I don't have a sufficient stash of phenobarbitol and Jack Daniels to make it a "non-issue"). Besides, I have access to universal health care so it isn't going to cost ME anything.
Oh and BTW, they don't do it SPECIFICALLY to MAKE you sick as they make no profit off that. You have made an irrelevant analogy | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 12:20:49 PM | | I won't be getting the shot, but I never get any of the other flu shots either because I have a high immunity to even the common cold and I don't work in association with a lot of people. I'd be really mixed on whether or not to take it "by order" or risk losing my job if I didn't. I'm of the age where I have the smallpox scar on my arm from a shot where, because I did have the shot, my childrens' generation weren't faced with the possibility of getting it (although I understand it may be rearing it's ugly head once again). Having said that, I'm uncomfortable with anti-viral shots that are whipped up in a big hurry without enough time to know what the entire side affects may be. It reminds me of what thalidomide did for children of pregnant women and makes me think twice that "I Am Legend" (even though a movie which takes the outcome to an extreme as an end result of an anti-cancer vaccination) is possible insofar as having a multitude of adverse effects on the human race. Could it be that the severe allergies and autism and other problems with younger generations are cropping up with more frequency not necessarily because of a "suspected" link to the environment as much as what we are told is "safe" to put into our bodies by both pharmaceutical companies and our govenrments? | |
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