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 CalifBoomergirl

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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/2/2009 12:29:41 PM
Somebody please tell me where the "primordial ooze" or "cosmic goo" CAME FROM? It just happened to hold all of the necessary ingredients to spontaneously produce life BY ACCIDENT? If is was not planned by an intelligent being, then it was an accident. It was either a deliberate act or a lucky stroke of fate...But where did the BUILDING BLOCKS necessary for LIFE originate? Where did the universe originate?
 AceOfSpace

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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/2/2009 12:33:44 PM

Man, however, created in the image of God, has a conscience to know right from wrong and protects the inherent worth of a human being. We are far superior to the animals in every way.


I'm not so sure we can afford to be so smug. We appear to have some distinct advantages when it comes to our ability to adapt by changing our environment. However, those traits could, left unchecked, lead to our undoing.

We depend on the environment that supports us a lot more directly than we depend on God.
 GolfCoast

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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/2/2009 12:34:06 PM
Skooch you might be very surprised to discover how science works, who takes part in it, what are the bias's and influences. Generally Ph.D's are so deep and narrow in their subject, and their ability to operate so dependent upon the conventional wisdom of their field's wisdom, they seldom test on these principles. That doesn't make it a bad thing, it just reflects how science, or any field operates.

Now actually I was directing my comments at people who without knowledge of how science works need help in obtaining healthcare, while those facile in theology seldom suffer from this limitation.

Now that is a conundrum you should study on dude, it could clear up a bunch of your confusion.
 CalifBoomergirl

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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/2/2009 12:38:13 PM

However, those traits could, left unchecked, lead to our undoing.
We depend on the environment that supports us a lot more directly than we depend on God.

You are absolutely right, Ace. God gave dominion (authority) over the planet and over the animals to man to rule over it and take care of it. He left it up to us what we do with that authority. Let's pave paradise and put up a parking lot.
 AceOfSpace

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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/2/2009 1:00:39 PM
I often wonder if God regrets not giving the big brains to cats. Why He picked monkeys like us is certainly beyond me!
 skoochie

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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/2/2009 1:10:33 PM

while those facile in theology seldom suffer from this limitation.

So, the entire Bible Belt doesn't need any type of state or federally funded health care? I think you should look at those state's health care budgets and then come back with the "Christians are financially stable and seldomly need assistance" arguement.

GC, the rest of your post was pointless. Just more of the same acting as if I'm an idiot. Still full of yourself I see.
 Gogetter56

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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/2/2009 1:22:31 PM
Christians aren't necessarily any better off than the rest of society as far as money goes. It's often a complaint of God's people. If you've ever read the Bible you might remember seeing that complaint more than enough.
 CalifBoomergirl

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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/2/2009 1:43:23 PM

Man, however, created in the image of God, has a conscience to know right from wrong and protects the inherent worth of a human being. We are far superior to the animals in every way.



Name ONE

Well, show me an animal who can type a message on a keyboard, send it over the internet and read the reply.

There are none so blind as those who will not see...
 o4

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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/2/2009 1:51:02 PM

Well, show me an animal who can type a message on a keyboard, send it over the internet and read the reply.

Can we use proper names in our response?
 o4

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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/2/2009 2:00:29 PM
I always just loved it how Flipper could always get Sandy and Bud to do exactly what he wanted them to do all the time.
 CalifBoomergirl

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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/2/2009 2:07:58 PM

Really, your sense of "worth" in God's eyes amounts to being able to type on the internet?

I did NOT say that. You challenged us to name ONE thing humans can do that animals cannot do. I did that.

Show me an animal which can build a bridge or a skyscraper, treat their own diseases, or most importantly question their own existence. Man has the ability to think , to dream and to ask questions, to create, to document the past and to plan for the future. All qualities that are also attributes of God which no animal possesses.
 matchlight

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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/2/2009 2:18:44 PM

Thank you for making my point for me Cheetah


I think we've all seen how good you are at making your own points. Your game is weak, and you rely on insults and distractions to make up for it. What's funny is that you seem to think you can run the same play so often without anyone noticing.
 CalifBoomergirl

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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/2/2009 2:42:56 PM
The topic under discussion was mans' superiority over the animals, not "Does God exist? "...

You need to go back to English 101.
I wrote,
Man, however, created in the image of God, has a conscience to know right from wrong and protects the inherent worth of a human being. We are far superior to the animals in every way.


My statement was man is superior is every way. You immediately said.
Name ONE
, which refers to the subject of the sentence directly above it. i.e. name ONE WAY that man is superior to animals.
I did that....
If you meant to say "Name one thing of superior worth", then you should have said so in a complete, proper sentence.

Try reading for comprehension instead of just for argument.
 GolfCoast

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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/2/2009 3:08:33 PM
Skooch? Nothing in my comments implied ability to pay, it is all about willingness to pay... Do you not understand even that much of the genesis (pretty clever how I work in a little theology when I take libs downtown lol) of the topic?
 CalifBoomergirl

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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/2/2009 4:55:03 PM
If writers wrote as carelessly as some people talk, then adhasdh asdglaseuyt[bn[ pasdlgkhasdfasdf. ~Lemony Snicket

Discussion is an exchange of knowledge; argument an exchange of ignorance. ~Robert Quillen
 AceOfSpace

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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/2/2009 5:46:13 PM

Well, show me an animal who can type a message on a keyboard, send it over the internet and read the reply.


From Wikipedia, but there are other sources you might consider more reliable:



Koko (born July 4, 1971) is a lowland gorilla who, according to Francine 'Penny' Patterson, is able to understand more than 1,000 signs based on American Sign Language,[1] and understand approximately 2,000 words of spoken English.[2] She has lived most of her life in Woodside, California, although a move to a sanctuary in Maui, Hawaii has been planned since the 1990s.


The last presentation I went to about Koko indicated that not only could she manipulate icons on a computer screen according to their meaning, but she was teaching other gorillas to do so as well.
 CalifBoomergirl

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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/2/2009 5:51:59 PM
But can she write and express her OWN thoughts or create a 700 page work of fiction?
 matchlight

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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/2/2009 6:04:21 PM

You couldn't say read... apes do that too.


God only knows what that has to do with sin. I doubt any ape can "read"--at least not in the usual sense of that word. And even if they could, it would hardly prove what you're implying, which is that nothing separates human beings from lower animals.
 CalifBoomergirl

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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/2/2009 6:41:35 PM
So, go live with the apes, Pete. You will fit right in. But when you need your broken leg set or your appendix removed, or someone to carry on an intelligent conversation with a vocabulary beyond 2000 words, or to build you a house, or plant a vineyard and make fine wine or even bad beer, you will need to call a human.

Of all the forum conversations and threads that Pete has invaded and ruined, this one is the most inane of all...
 matchlight

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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/2/2009 7:35:32 PM

You are a mean-spirited person who doesn't like it when they don't get some imaginary respect they think they deserve.


I'd say that describes you very well. I've seen precious little from you--and certainly not your personal insults to a number of people--that deserves any respect.
 CalifBoomergirl

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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/2/2009 7:40:53 PM

So, go live with the apes, Pete. You will fit right in.


That's very Christian of you to say. You are a mean-spirited person who doesn't like it when they don't get some imaginary respect they think they deserve.


You have spent the entire day defending apes and chimpanzees, listing all of their wonderful abilities, telling us all of the things they can do just like you can do and insisting that we are no different, that they are just like us and you and I are no better nor in any way superior to them.

When I suggest that you should join them and would fit into their society, you throw insults at me and call me mean-spirited as though I said something offensive. How is what I said mean-spirited if all that you said is true? Isn't that a contradiction of all that you have been lobbying for? You can't have it both ways.
 CalifBoomergirl

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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/2/2009 8:11:37 PM

Shunning someone from the tribe (which is what you did) is mean-spirited behavior

Once again, your comprehension skills are lacking. I did not ORDER you (i.e. shun you) to go live with the apes. I merely suggested that you follow the natural course of your own logic.

This is not Survivor, but from what I hear from others in this tribe, if we WERE able to vote someone off of this island, YOU would be the first to go. Nothing mean- -spirited about self preservation. Even apes and dolphins do it. But then they aren't made in the image of God and can't sin like we do.

All of this great cut and paste info you are filling this thread up with only proves what an all powerful, all knowing and awesome creator we have who was able to think up and create all of the beauty, variety and complexity of the universe and all that is within it.

The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows forth his handiwork.
 matchlight

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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/2/2009 8:39:47 PM

Almost EVERYONE I've spoken with would like you gone.


I don't believe you. You've made up most of the other things you've said, and I suspect this is just one more fabrication. But I guarantee you I'd like to see you take your insults and unpleasantness someplace else.
 CalifBoomergirl

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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/2/2009 8:57:33 PM
Pete. (You, who have been banned for life by the moderators of POF), if you want to talk about hot monkey love, then start a thread with that topic. This was started as a Christian thread about a Christian topic of discussion. No one is holding anyone captive to be here or to read what is posted. There are sex forums on POF where you will feel quite comfortable and maybe even pick up a few dates (and probably a lot more)..
 o4

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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/2/2009 9:05:38 PM
...just catching up on the thread again. It seems to me that some are, well one is anyway, trying hard to commit the sin of derailing the thread to off topic. Of course, we all know that when that happens, the thread is banished or abolished. If we were to assume that this might be a goal of that one, then I'd speculate that there must be a "threat" in this thread to the person somehow who would want to have it errased. JMHO
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