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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/3/2009 8:17:09 PM | PN I'm not going to show you any evidence, because you refuse to accept the fact that it's not a one or two or three piece puzzle like you're apparently still use to.
How have I persecuted anyone? As far as judging is concerned, once again, there is a difference between judging what is right or wrong based on the Bible and passing a sentence or treating those people poorly. I have repeatedly told you I hate the sin but love the sinner. You choose not to believe me. You continue to use vile language towards God and Christians. You don't walk your own talk. You have no room to be judging me. | |
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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/3/2009 8:37:34 PM | ID has plenty of evidence used from all of the sciences, not t o prove the virgin birth or the resurrection, but simply to prove that God exists beyond the shadow of a doubt.
ID/ Adam and Eve theory does not bother with the fundamental use of the scientific method.
Saying that a story drawn from eye witnesses is science is inaccurate. That is called gathering evidence and doesn't have actual science involved. What is done with that evidence can be science. But, in the Bible's case, all that it is used for is to tell a story. It would be like calling a biographer a scientist. You're grapsing for straws in believing that there is science involved with the Bible. Science doesn't like miracles like stories of the Bible is based on. There is more that can't be proven in the Bible than can be proven using science.
Archeaology isn't the most science oriented field. It is more history oriented. Many archaeologist are bias and looking to prove the Bible correct. They find what they want to find.
I don't think you can say that there is any evidence that proves there is a God beyond a shadow of a doubt. That's why the key word in your religion is FAITH. That's because you have to blindly believe there is a God that you can't see or touch. You may feel him, but I would argue that you are feeling some emotion rather than a supernatural being. | |
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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/3/2009 10:25:38 PM | PN I haven't used the Bible to bash gays, I've simply pointed out that what they do is by choice and not something they are born with as well as the fact that the Bible calls homosexuality an abomination.
Now look at your answer about judging me. You use the very same reasoning to justify calling me names which do not accurately describe what I did by any stretch of the imagination and you completely discount what I have said in order to lay more accusations against me.
When have I judged you? I've just pointed out that there are words to describe your behavior. Bigot is one you don't care for. Homophobe is another. Racist is another... yet you exhibit dictionary definitions of all these behaviors right here on these forums and use the Bible to justify your actions... and your see-thru "hate the sin, love the sinner" nonsense. Bigotry is bigotry... and the words of some stuffy old men from 2000 years ago don't give you a channel to GOD... and his thoughts. SORRY.
Stuffy old men eh? Boy that's just about as creative as calling God a prick. You notice anoybody else here agreeing with you on that one? | |
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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/3/2009 10:32:21 PM | Since the topic of this thread is sin and what constitutes sin, we have had displayed throughout this thread by one member in particular a graphic example and display of the ]sin of blasphemy.
Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. (Exodus 20:7 KJV)
Blasphemy has been condemned as a serious, or even the most serious, sin by the major creeds and Church theologians.
Thomas Aquinas says that “it is clear that blasphemy, which is a sin committed directly against God, is more grave than murder, which is a sin against one's neighbor. … it is called the most grievous sin, for as much as it makes every sin more grievous.”
The Heidelberg Catechism answers question 100 about blasphemy by stating that “no sin is greater or provokes God's wrath more than the blaspheming of His Name”
Galatians 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Hebrews 10:31
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
God does not take lightly blaspheming of His name or those things which are holy and neither should we. I am greatly offended and grieved by what I have read posted here in this forum by PN , aka Pete. How DARE you so blatantly trample on what so many hold sacred, holy and dear and then have the audacity to cast aspersions on US! | |
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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/4/2009 6:44:28 AM |
ID/ Adam and Eve theory does not bother with the fundamental use of the scientific method.
Skoochie, ID has moved well beyond using the Bible as evidence. ID is about finding evidence that there is a Creator from within all of the different sciences, including, but not limited to Cosmotology, Microbiology, Archeology, Math and so on.
I don't think you can say that there is any evidence that proves there is a God beyond a shadow of a doubt.
That is up to each individual to decide, but once you really begin to look at all of the evidence, like putting a puzzle together, the picture becomes undeniable.
If Christianity is only about blind faith, regardless of or inspite of what any kind of logic, rational thinking, reasoning or science says, then I wouldn't be a Christian. I need something more than blind faith. I need evidence and I need sufficient evidence to convince me beyond a reasonable doubt, because the Christian life is supposed to be a life of sacrifice that goes against basic selfish human nature and to make that kind of commitment I need all of the evidence there is to base my faith on. Faith isn't about the past, it's about the future. | |
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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/4/2009 7:55:07 AM | | Ace, While I know that you directed your question to GG, I'd like to share too. For me, it allowed me to no longer have to be at the center of the universe. Being the center of the universe is a lot of work! You gotta see to it that all the animals are fed and cleaned up after, each day you have to see that nobody has left any pesky footprints on the moon again, and that polishing of all of the stars becomes really tiring after a while. Now instead, I (just try to) orbit instead around the One that really belongs at the center, and if pesky moon prints need to be taken care of, I let him handle it in his own way and in his own time. Granted, I'm not perfect and I try to back-seat drive him a lot, a whole lot, and I have a lot more to learn about where he wants to take everything (including me and others that I love), but he reminds me constantly to not worry about things that are on his watch (not mine) and lets me live life knowing he's got the helm under control.................(And not to mention the promise of the insurance policy for the everafter). | |
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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/4/2009 7:55:12 AM | | Ace, that fear you talk about is gone. The peace that passes all understanding has set in and I am content with just food and clothes or luxury. That has all come about by living a life of faith based on the evidence, not just by reading about it. | |
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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/4/2009 8:36:08 AM | GG,
I don't want to keep the back and forth going because you might start to think I think less of you for your beliefs. That isn't true. To each their own. You're probably have more of a sense of fullfiiment than I do, so I say good for you.
However, I wanted to know how "Cosmotolgy" (properlly spelled cosmetology) became a science.  I'm sorry. I know you meant to say either astronomy or astrology. If you did want to reference those two sciences, you would do your arguement a big disservice as those sciences assume the universe is 4.6 billion years old, and the Earth is 3.5 billion years, which is a massive difference from your understanding of the beginning of time on Earth. Such a large amount of time allows theories of evolution to exist, whereas the 6000 or 10,000 year timeline of the Bible doesn't. I mean shoot, the Bible would have us believe that we were around when the dinosaurs roamed the Earth. Archaeologists have disproven that.
Microboiology is a bad science to refence also. We're not microbiologist, but we have all seen life form in a swimming pool when chlorine isn't used to control the spontaneous development of life. That life goes so far as to evolve into frogs. Pretty crazy stuff. | |
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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/4/2009 8:55:31 AM | "allowed me to no longer have to be at the center of the universe. Being the center of the universe is a lot of work! You gotta see to it that all the animals are fed and cleaned up after, each day you have to see that nobody has left any pesky footprints on the moon again, and that polishing of all of the stars becomes really tiring after a while. Now instead, I (just try to) orbit instead around the One that really belongs at the center, and if pesky moon prints need to be taken care of, I let him handle it in his own way and in his own time. Granted, I'm not perfect and I try to back-seat drive him a lot, a whole lot, and I have a lot more to learn about where he wants to take everything (including me and others that I love), but he reminds me constantly to not worry about things that are on his watch (not mine) and lets me live life knowing he's got the helm under control"
WELL SAID!!! I will add that I have a growing list of things I'd like explanations for or experiences of. I am not binocular, so I'd like to experience it. I'm not color shade deficient, so I'd like to see how my son's see the world. Pretty much several things I'd like to understand how other experience the world differently than me.
I visualize a plate and look to see what is on my plate and what isn't. If I believe a smoking is sinfully self-destructive than I am responsible for my not smoking ... I am not responsible for the person next door to me not smoking ... but I am responsible for objecting to my tax dollars being spent to fund the tobacco industry. | |
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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/4/2009 9:58:31 AM |
my tax dollars being spent to fund the tobacco industry
I wasn't aware that was happening--what law did Congress pass to authorize it? Without some law, it would have no authority to appropriate tax revenue for a private corporation. "No money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law . . . ." U.S.C. Art. I, sec. 9. cl. 7. | |
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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/4/2009 1:21:07 PM | Skoochie, thanks for taking my mistake and fixing it. Ok, what was Cosmology I meant, the study of the cosmos.
As far as time assesments are concerned, they do help to decide if the timeline of the creation should be taken literally or if there is an error in the scientific way of figuring time or both.
As far as humans and dinosaurs are concerned, there has been some discoveries of mans footprints with dinosaur footprints.
There is also a strange reference to sons of God and men of old in Genesis 6. Genesis isn't always in chronological order.
Sure there are some things that make us all go huh? But the big picture really can't be ignored until all things are fully tested and proven true or false by all sides of those who are properly educated and concerned. I don't believe that we are even close to that at this point and time. | |
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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/4/2009 1:22:49 PM | One day a group of scientists got together and decided that man had come a long way and no longer needed God. So they picked one scientist to go and tell Him that they were done with Him.
The scientist walked up to God and said, "God, we've decided that we no longer need you. We're to the point that we can clone people and do many miraculous things, so why don't you just go on and get lost."
God listened very patiently and kindly to the man and after the scientist was done talking, God said, "Very well, how about this, let's say we have a man making contest." To which the scientist replied, "OK, great!"
But God added, "Now, we're going to do this just like I did back in the old days with Adam."
The scientist said, "Sure, no problem" and bent down and grabbed himself a handful of dirt.
God just looked at him and said, "No, no, no. You go get your own dirt!" | |
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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/4/2009 1:58:31 PM | Why do we get hung up on these kind of things...... I love discussing them... and I enjoy the logic of all views.... But why is it always... either one way or another?
We can't explain a lot of things... I think when someone really believes they know it all... Than they can say for sure something is not right. But no one knows it all... so when it comes to God and a complete understanding of the creation of this planet and the universe.... Who is arrogant enough to deny one way over another? Even if our science is absolutely correct 100%... and we really know how old the Universe and our Planet is... Why would this have anything to do wether there is a Creator or not? Evolution makes the point of things evolving... But no facts about where and how the evolution began. What is wrong with a Creator creating life... that evolves?
As far as the Old Testament and the age of the Earth on those living things.... Who knows if God didn't have some other project going on and at sometime decided to create a world for a new creation... "Man". And this is what was kept in a book to keep the history of these facts?
Who is to say that he didn't throw one planet into another creating the Earth and Moon. Who is to say he isn't somewhere in the middle of this universe doing all sorts of things with other planets and universes... that we have no clue.
If someone says they really know there is a God for sure... They may have a lot of Faith... But do they really know? I really believe there is a Creator of all things... But I can not prove it... as well... someone can not disprove it.
We don't have to have religion or science.... For people who are extremely religious to condemn those who study Astronomy , Astrology or Numerology or any other ology is only closing your mind to what this world and our universe has to offer... God created the Stars... He did it for a reason... Not to just ignore them. There is a reason for everything... and we should look at it all... To exclude anything is only taking things God created and picking and choosing the things someone else has told you to follow. What if the Old Testament is only a Book... and God had no intentions of us trying so hard to adapt our lives towards someone else's stories of Him?
It's funny how people say they believe they are open minded... but closed to so many things. You are not that open minded... If you believe you are open to only those views you agree with. I'm not saying that we should accept everything... But if we don't look... we have already decided not to accept something.... based on nothing... other than someone else closing that door for you. Take a peek... you just might learn something. | |
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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/4/2009 2:16:25 PM | Something else to think about:
We sit in our little world going through life with our little blinders... we think it's a big world out there but live in the confinements of our little say... 10' circle. Seriously most of our time is focused on that much space around us... and on ourselves... making sure we are getting our needs met. Now. I am only talking about the majority of our time and the way we think... of course... that area increases when we do some things.
But just think about it... "Horton Hears a Who."
Our Earth could be Whoville. We are probably clueless... Of the true big picture. Time as we know it... is not the same time as it is throughout the Universe.
If we have recognized other galaxies that are millions of light years away... We are not seeing it as it is now... but a million light years ago... It obviously is not what we are seeing now. Outer Space.... Deep Space... Is not just some lights in the sky.
There could be some big a$$ elephant out there. | |
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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/4/2009 4:23:02 PM |
I wasn't aware that was happening--what law did Congress pass to authorize it? Without some law, it would have no authority to appropriate tax revenue for a private corporation. "No money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law . . . ." U.S.C. Art. I, sec. 9. cl. 7. Tobacco subsidies began during the New Deal.
In 1966, America began a $0.05 per pound subsidy on tobacco exports, which is still in place.
1999's $8.7 billion emergency agriculture aid package included $328 million to compensate tobacco growers for declining cigarette sales.
In 2005, the Bush administration passed a bill that gave $9.6 billion in tobacco subsidies over four years, mostly to the Southern states that put him in office. | |
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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/4/2009 4:50:48 PM | So, it's okay for you to change the subject and post jokes, but it's not okay for other people? Thomas Aquinas wrote that hypocrisy was a sin, saying that we must carefully differentiate its two elements: the want of goodness, and the pretense of having it. If a person be so minded as definitely to intend both things, it is of course obvious that he is guilty of grievous sin, for that is only another way of saying that a man lacks the indispensable righteousness which makes him pleasing in the sight of God. If, however, the hypocrite be occupied rather with successfully enacting the role he has assumed, then, even though he be in mortal sin at the time, it will not always follow that the act of counterfeiting is itself a mortal sin.
So, you have just committed a mortal sin. Enjoy Hell.  | |
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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/4/2009 5:17:23 PM | You read Aquinas?
(oh, but you can't judge, as in decide who will go to heaven or hell, only God can do that...
Remember, "Do not JUdGe?" That's what He was talkin' about...betta watch your tongue boy...!
Wink, wink, you are way too cute to get in trouble with God for those words...just a heads up sugar.)
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