| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/5/2009 5:06:40 AM |
and why do you scare little kids?"
For the record and to be absolutely clear: I am not "asking you why you do it." I am telling you that it is morally wrong and to stop doing it.
There is a time when a child is ready to deal with the bad news portion of your good news story. Prior to that, you are needlessly terrorizing them. | |
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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/5/2009 6:58:06 AM | | Ace, honestly, do you think the concept of consequences is too much for children? I think one of the biggest problems with our society is the lack of consequences taught to our children. If my 5th grade teacher didn't take me to the storage locker and beat my a$$ with a paddle that had holes in it so it would sting, I probably would have shot a lot more bobby pins with a rubber band like I had been doing in class and who knows what would have happened? Strangely, I stopped doing it and have never done it again. I completely lost the desire and I'm not the least bit victimized by it. | |
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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/5/2009 7:01:35 AM | Ace you make it sound as though Sunday School is run like a gestapo boot camp and that here is a conspiracy among Christians to put hold their children's feet to flames in order to convince them of the terrors of hell.
Over the many years of my Christian walk, I have been in a lot of churches, observed many Sunday Schools and gotten to know hundreds of Christians on a first name basis. Those Sunday Schools were FUN! Kids played, sang songs, made crafts, ate snacks, did dramas and laughed a lot. The subject most talked about is not the subject of hell or the "bad news", but that Jesus loves little children and that God is a good God. I have seen it over and over and over again. Noah and the Ark, Daniel in the lion's den, Jesus feeding and healing hurting people, these are what is taught in the majority of children's classes. There were no scare tactics going on.
There are ignorant bad apples in any segment of society, but that doesn't mean the entire society is guilty of the same crimes as the few. There are bad parents in any Christian group who may stress doctrine which my be scary to their children, but they are the exception and few and far between. I really feel that you have over-reacted on this issue and that your own experience is coloring your perception... | |
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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/5/2009 7:24:39 AM | (Isn't the rise of socialism in America more terrifying than anything Ace might imagine?)
I am telling you that it is morally wrong and to stop doing it.
Mao., I mean, wow!
The thinking police are on the hunt!
I'm telling you...lol.
"The socialist system will eventually replace the capitalist system; this is an objective law independent of man's will. However much the reactionaries try to hold back the wheel of history, sooner or later revolution will take place and will inevitably triumph." --The world according to Mao. Quoted from speech at the Meeting of the Supreme Soviet of the U.S.S.R. in Celebration of the 40th Anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution. (November 6, 1957). | |
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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/5/2009 7:39:11 AM |
You can't always win an discussion when you only play by your rules... You have to find some common ground.
Since when are questions about "winning" something? What the _____ are you talking about Jack? I can do whatever the hell I wish. You are seriously tripping out. I wonder what's going on in your world. Just lay off of me and stick to the topic. | |
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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/5/2009 8:01:47 AM |
stick to the topic
Um........ maybe you should take your own advice. The rise of socialism would be more appropriate in the political thread, not this one. It's a really big leap from sunday school to Mao... | |
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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/5/2009 8:06:49 AM | | No its not Cali. This discussion is taking place in America. A fellow citizen has taken it upon himself to "tell" us he finds Christianity immoral the moment children are made aware of Hell. He has defined a new morality for us--like all great socialist leaders do, Mao included. At this rate, soon, we will have a new book of "sins" written into our laws. For example, its a sin to cut down the tree in your back yard without a permit... Or, its a sin to drive a car that pollutes the air too much, or, its a sin to use your fireplace. Etc.,. I say we take the hint given in Ace's words and "firm" position on what we may or may not think for what it is: evidence of the rise of Socialism in America. Zero respect for the liberty of another's mind had been clearly demonstrated time and time again in this thread. | |
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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/5/2009 8:13:41 AM | Hey R
You are the one that told me I was going about my faith wrong... Sure you may have said not to take it personal that it wasn't about me... just about my comment.... Well... My comment was about me... I believe we all have the right to choose what we believe.. and that we don't need to find God by someone else telling us where He is. You have made it a point to say over and over that finding Him on your own is wrong. This is an attack on what I believe.... So I am curious why you keep doing that? Is it because of something you are taught in your religion... Because no where is it taught in the Bible that I should follow someone blindly off a cliff. And I'm not saying any religion is a cliff or not... But Jesus says he is the only true Shepherd... So for me to follow him on my own... and not allow some religious dogma guide my way and come between us seems like the right thing to do for me. Again nothing against anyone else's way of finding all the truths of things... But don't judge me based on your beliefs of your religion.
As far as winning.. seems like this is your goal.... I keep having to explain over and over again what it is to find ones truth on their own... You don't have to have something to say about that every time I have a comment that uses that phrase... You have made your point over and over and either you believe I need guidance from some sort of church authority... or you just don't follow what I mean by the term. It's like you keep telling me I can't walk across the street without holding someone's hand. Now. understand... It isn't pissing me off.... But I wonder why you keep doing it. To me if someone believes that they have the truth and their truth is in their church and others are wrong.... well... I disagree. What works for you... doesn't have to be the way it works for someone else...
There are other Catholics and other religious people here who are discussing this based on their faith... sure some of that faith can come from their religious beliefs... But they are not making a point that if you think different than them based on their religion... that you are missing something... They are basing the discussion on common ground... the Bible. | |
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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/5/2009 8:15:27 AM | | Get over it Jack, I said that your premise, find your own truth, in theological terms, was unsound, yes, to the degree of being a New Age premise, I did, I did. Take the information or leave it, agree or disagree, but don't make up stories, please. Such acts are unbecoming to you. | |
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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/5/2009 8:37:33 AM | | Jack, I think there is a lot of merit to what you are saying if what you are talking about is thinking for yourself instead of blindly following any particular church doctrine or dogma. The problem comes when you make truth subjective by saying we need to find our own truth (meaning the truth about God and our purpose here on earth), which is also what it seems like you are saying. | |
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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/5/2009 9:12:35 AM |
Ace, honestly, do you think the concept of consequences is too much for children? I think one of the biggest problems with our society is the lack of consequences taught to our children. But what's the point in Sunday School teachers scaring kids about Hell when Hell doesn't exist? Hell is not mentioned in the Bible, and it was created by priests of the Dark Ages to scare dying landowners to give their property to the Church. | |
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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/5/2009 9:29:52 AM |
Ace, honestly, do you think the concept of consequences is too much for children? I think one of the biggest problems with our society is the lack of consequences taught to our children?
God does not send children to hell. Children need to be taught consequences for actions. absolutely, but hell is not one of them.. | |
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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/5/2009 9:32:57 AM | This morning I heard a wonderful talk by a priest, Father Clark that I have a tremendous amount of respect for. I wish I could repeat it word for word, but I'll share the gist because it touched a cord in me and reminded me of God's love for us all.
He talked about the use of metaphors and stories in the Bible and if one took every passage in the Bible and interpreted them literally, then the full flavor of the passage would be missed. He then talked about how Jesus is portrayed in the Bible as a fisher of men, a shepherd of lost sheep, and a woman who finds a lost coin, and that the rejoicing that is found over the recovery of one lost sheep or a lost coin is no where near the rejoicing over a sinner who has lost his way and found his way home. He spoke of our God being merciful and grace-giving and that as followers we are called to be merciful and forgiving. I know this is nothing new, but this thread came to mind mind as I was sitting listening to him that I thought I'd share it here. | |
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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/5/2009 9:48:40 AM | Gg
My opinion has always been that one must find God in their own heart (Jesus is the Light and the Truth) but that one needs to open themselves up to that truth... rather than listening to what someone else tells them what that is. If you believe in God and his Son because some religious person tells you that you should.... Are you really believing in God? Or in someone else's concept of God?
I believe we do need to realize what God's plan is, based on research and asking Him directly, God is truth... that doesn't mean any man made church has a right to over rule God because they think they know what is best for everyone else... God knows what is best... Not a Pope. Now to Catholics.... They believe in the Pope... Thats cool... But because they do... it doesn't mean everyone that doesn't is wrong... same with the Mormon Church leaders or anyone else.... and again... I'm not knocking those that are followers... It is their right... and I believe they can find God at church... But I don't believe because they found their truth... that if someone believes different.... That they have a right to tell someone they are wrong...
Seriously.... Do you really think their is a true church? If so, than everyone else is wrong? I find it amazing that Christians in some churches want to say that some Christians in other churches are not true Christians.... Is this not being judgmental?
It may appear I'm against religion... I'm not... I'm only not for exclusion... and I fear this is what happens. | |
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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/5/2009 10:17:20 AM | No... Not at all..... Like I said... I believe people can find God in Church.... Read my complete posts... What I am saying is people can also find their faith outside of any given religion... One doesn't need a Church to direct them.... But if they have a Church they go to... and They find their faith there... thats common... And nothing wrong with that... It is when they want to tell someone else that if you don't find faith in their church... Then your faith must have wholes in it... This is where I have a problem... To me... this is when their Doctrine seems more important... Than just believing in God.
And again... That's fine with me... But don't tell me I'm wrong because I don't buy into your doctrine.
Oh... and I have NO special knowledge of finding God... I only have the belief that works for me. | |
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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/5/2009 10:31:16 AM | | I see. You know, that elliptical writing style of yours is very hard to follow. The ellipses can't be taken in their own context, but we have to search to find which other ellipse forms their context. Have you ever considered using sentences and paragraphs? I mean, it would be a better way of putting your thoughts together. I misunderstood what you were saying because I took one of your ellipses as a complete thought, which it wasn't. | |
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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/5/2009 10:42:01 AM | This is a pretty good pissing contest ya'll have going on here. Putting words in each other's mouths, not accepting other's opinions for what they are...opinions and insisting that a message can get across in this environment is futile.
I give it to you though Jack, at least you aren't taking your marching orders from anyone or thing other than what you feel is right. | |
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| Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/5/2009 10:51:16 AM | Fair enough, I do realize I use the hell out of ellipses... But, It is my style and a habit, and am willing to try and type better if this is the reason I am being misunderstood.
It is all about attempting to make a point that others can understand after all. But when people say "ummm" a lot when they speak, it is a hard habit to break! I just happen to say ummm when I type.
But I don't mind criticism.... If the way I am saying something is confusing.... I'll take a look at it! | |
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