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Posted: 10/11/2009 9:29:08 AM |
The fact that she says that she is successful, I guess we must take her word for it, since success is not easy to assess. Just because the students are "friendly" with her doesn't necessarily mean they are learning.
'Friendly' doesn't equate with 'successful', in my opinion.
Staying out of jail=success.
Learning to be a good parent=success.
Getting off drugs=success.
Going to college to further one's education=success.
You don't 'have to take' my word for it. You can choose to discount everything I posted; it doesn't change the lives of the students with whom I've worked.
They CHOSE to make changes that allow them to live productive lives, and that's the point. Our children have to own their education. It has to mean as much to them, as it does to us.
Public education has to begin to meet the needs of those children who do not fit that middle group of students who are labeled 'average'. I have been blessed to work with a group of outliers labeled 'troubled'. Keeping them in school is the first goal. They have to have a reason to attend. Giving them a safe place to vent/process is a great beginning.
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Posted: 10/11/2009 10:05:02 AM | Staying out of jail=success.
No....this is what SHOULD happen anyway....staying out of jail is NOT success.
Going to college to further one's education=success.
This is certainly be more easily recognized as a measure of success.
How is you can even relate the two.....oh wait.....it's the glasses again.
Learning to be a good parent=success.
Is it really success or what we are supposed to strive for any way.I'm pretty sure that most folks aren't trying to be the "worst" they can........
Getting off drugs=success.
Yep getting OFF is a measure of success....and not needing to "get off" drugs is what should happen anyway. | |
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Posted: 10/11/2009 11:30:23 AM | "Success" is another one of those words that is not easy to define.
What the general public views as success equates to how much money and prestige you have (what type of job you have), so I'll stay away from that type of talk.
For that matter, being educated is also difficult to define.
As long as each individual works up to their potential, then that is success, IMHO.
So, no ...... staying off of drugs is not "success", in my books.
They are only rectifying a "mistake" in their path that they have decided to take.
Yes, there are many people ..... including parents and teachers who help teens get back on the right path. Is this success to get them back on the right path?
I don't always agree with how the "at risk" teens are being addressed.
Sometimes they are pampered to stay in school.
What are they learning with this approach?
They require understanding and patience to deal with them, since many of them have a low self-esteem ...... but then there are some of them who lead the lost souls, so to speak, and make money by selling drugs to these lost souls as an example. The unfortunate truth is that many of the teen offenders who get caught are not the leaders. The leaders are too "street smart" to get caught. And there are many of these street smart leaders who snow over many administration who deal with them in schools or anywhere for that matter.
Should these teens be separated and dealt with?
Or, should they stay included in the regular school system?
There is much debate over this ............
Look at the result when we include them ...........
The other ironic thing about our education system is that they don't want to "stream" the students. They want them all "included".
But, when you look at the curriculum, it is streamed!
These people who think it is not streamed are only fooling themselves!
The flavour of the streaming is the only thing that changes with the changes in curriculum that continue to occur, which is created by the Ministry of Education, not by the teachers. Get new players, and they feel they need to "change" the approach, but it is only changing in "terminology" and "definition". But, generally it is the same. | |
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Posted: 10/11/2009 11:58:16 AM |
...staying off of drugs is not "success", in my books.
They are only rectifying a "mistake" in their path that they have decided to take...
For a recovering addict, staying off drugs/alcohol is success.
For a chronically absent student, just getting to school on time is a success.
For me, it isn't about 'catching the leaders', it's about being a person the kids can respect and, hopefully, emulate. Those of us who work with the students in our program share some values in common which get passed on to our kids. Sometimes that's enough for a child to chose a different path--sometimes not.
The point I am making, again, is that public education is not one-size-fits-all. It can't be--it never was for me. Working outside that classroom box works for many of the children with whom I have contact, and so on we go. | |
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Posted: 10/11/2009 1:31:51 PM | Here We GO!! Just in time for a nice thread....
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091011/ap_on_re_us/us_teaching_columbus
So, this might validate the below Quote even more by a previous post???
Public schools need to stick to curriculum and not push the homosexual agenda.
Lets get back to believing in our country and not putting it down. Filling kids with hate is basically what they are doing. To hate their own heritage is terrible. It undermines the values and morals of this country. Why not say that many of the extinct animals from 400 million years ago was all because some neanderthal man stepped on a butterfly! Stupid statement yes... But it goes to show that education is not about teaching children good anymore. It's about teaching kids Politically Correct Agenda BS!!!
Down with PC. Politically Correctness = Communist thinking. | |
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Posted: 10/12/2009 12:49:27 PM |
Here We GO!! Just in time for a nice thread.... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091011/ap_on_re_us/us_teaching_columbus So, this might validate the below Quote even more by a previous post??? Public schools need to stick to curriculum and not push the homosexual agenda.
Lets get back to believing in our country and not putting it down. Given that Columbus never actually landed in any part of the Unites States -unless you want to count the three days he stopped in Puerto Rico- I'd be interested to know how portraying Columbus as something less than some mythical "superman" is somehow denegrating to the United States.
Not to mention, Columbus wasn't even the first European to land in America: the Norse had a settlement in Newfoundland almost a half of a millenium prior to Columbus "discovering" what he thought was India.
Filling kids with hate is basically what they are doing No, they're trying to present a more balanced view of a complex historical figure; any "hate" would come from the people that are responsible for a child's moral training: their parents.
Another good example is presenting the evidence that Jefferson had an affair -and children- with his slave Sally Hemings. Does that mean that Jefferson's accomplishments are diminished? Does knowing that information mean that kids are taught to "hate?" Only if -IMHO- one believes that interracial families are somehow a bad thing-and kids won't learn that in schools; they will -and do- learn it from their families.
It undermines the values and morals of this country. Which "values and morals" are undermined? Is giving our kids information and letting them use their critical thinking skills to make their own judgments "Anti-American?" Why should anyone fear, hate, or denegrate the facts?
"The truth shall make you free"--John 8:32
"A man may imagine things that are false, but he can only understand things that are true, for if the things be false, the apprehension of them is not understanding."
--Isaac Newton
Why not say that many of the extinct animals from 400 million years ago was all because some neanderthal man stepped on a butterfly! Because the first -alternative views of Columbus- are based in fact, including some of his own writings; while the second -about extinction- is simply something that you -in your rage and fear- simply made up.
Stupid statement yes Finally, something we agree on...
But it goes to show that education is not about teaching children good anymore. Education isn't supposed to be about teaching children "good;" it's about teaching children facts, and helping them develop critical thinking and problem-solving skills. Teaching "good" -i.e., morals- is the sole responsibility of the family.
Down with PC. Politically Correctness = Communist thinking. Well, if this is the same "Political Correctness" (and you don't have to thank me for showing the correct way to phrase that) that says that we shouldn't use words like Kike, Rag-Head, Slant-Eye, Chink, Gook, Spic, Coon, Tar-Baby, Half-Breed, Injun, Honky, Wop, Polack, Mick, Dyke, Faggot, Broad, Retard, etc to describe our fellow human beings -and I suspect that, given your hostility, it is- then I guess somebody may wanna dress me in red and call me "comrade," because I'm damn sure not teaching my kids to use any of those terms, even if they've been used in the past; just as I wouldn't let them engage in hero worship in the name of patriotism. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 2:58:26 PM | Joe,
in order to answer a point(s) that you made in post 21,22, I need to say that in North Carolina, the state budget has consistently given 50% of the "total" money raised for the school system. That being said, one might think that the students benefit at least more than the other competing states.
we only have a few computers for each class and they are outdated.
the child needs to bring 20 tablets of paper, 30 pencils, 2 sets of coloring pencils,and 2 sets of markers, 10 prs. of folders, pay a fee for art class, and buy their own plastic flute for music class(all this is for each year/or 2 semesters ), sell oodles and oodles of magazine subscriptions, food stuffs, raffle tickets,...
and this is just the elementary grades, god help the middle and high schools.
so where does the "budgeted " monies go? no one will say! and there hasn't been 1 public audit yet!
You say that there should be some type of standardized test for each years students to advance to the next grade. we have that now! And the teachers know what the test parameters are and the types of Questions. So, what do the school systems do? teach the answers, parameters only.
Any type of education system, business, needs competition to keep it sharp and competetive and " Up To Date" on the ever unfolding needs of the job world.
but this system in the U.S. stifles any real competition/ effort to better the results and quality of the education that each person/student recieves. so far all the moneis "dedicated" to the schools has done is bubkus, 0, zip, no tangible/actual results.
so it is. more monies are dedicated each fiscal year and extremely little is shown in the way of results.
how do you suggest we solve the education dilemma in the U.S.? it sure isn't raise more funds.
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Posted: 10/14/2009 3:33:30 PM | answering the original post, yes it is. our kids cannot and will not be able to compete with those kids in europe , india and japan. most of the foreigners i meet from overseas including folks from nigeria can speak about 4 languages or at least 3 versus americans. i saw a report on 20/20 showing indian kids who study at home an hour before going to school in the morning, and once home study til midnight with the mom staying up with them to fix a sandwich and tea.
a friend of mine with a "slow" child (this is what she told me herself) that its the teachers fault for her child not excelling. i told her it was her fault and she jumped all on him. at 10:00 pm she was cooking and told me she did not have time to help her child with her homework?
also, kids with bad behavior is taking up too much valuable classroom time. its not safe with kids fighting other students , bringing weapons and now fighting the adults. i checked into working at the school as an aide or sub teacher but the pay is ridiculous. why pay people who work with kids such a low figure? of course, some of the people will not stay and the kids are being shortchanged. | |
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Posted: 10/15/2009 3:05:07 PM | everything in N.C. education, amounts to zip in the real world for knowledge/capabilities for a job anywherein the state that is not minimum wage entry level.
so as I've said about the state budget in N.C., outside of the roads-which are ever more worsening- the medicaid system- which gets cut every year-, the state/emergency aid workers- going with out a C.O.L.A raise for 2 years more-,30% school teachers -who don't teach anything relevant to the subject they're paid to teach, and are more and more getting raises each year-, and all the business' -leaving in droves because of the skyrocketing business taxes, ever more drone like kids asking " do you want fries with that"- complaining that they aren't paid enough to live on the pay that is mandatorily given them- screwing up more and more orders and give you an attitude when you corect them on each screwed up order piece by piece then calling you , the customer ignorant, and that you should just take whatever they pack " on the tray, then having to get help making change for a 10 for a 6. 00 order of a hamburger and fries, from the manager .
you say throw more money at education. we do that. and it gets worse! in no particular instruction on how/ what to use it for -it goes to the people who already have the job of teaching - which they are failing at- and the "Teacher associations"
" contribute " more and more money to the political campaigns of the state legislature/ governor who, every year raise more taxes in order to better equip the teachers with more money for doing a job and FAILING at it- then these teacher assoc.s give more money to the politicians who voted to pass the increase in pay with NO instructions on how to apply it through...... AAAAAAGGGGhhh! and this is only one state how's new york, california, Massachusettes, oregon, other New england states,... fairing in educational "Standard" tests, and do they have adequate books/teachers/administrators... to teach the children to at least read and write at an elementary school level when they graduate High School and are they prepared for the jobs market for current decade, let alone at a minimum wage job?
so should we pay more taxes for a system of education that is evermore failing to teach anything other than sex ed to kindergardeners, and all about how to make the fair decision, even though it is the wrong one 80% of the time , just so people don't get their feelings hurt!
or, should we DEMAND accountability for the monies raised and overspent for the System that is at best, a third world average for education??????
yes there are good people working in the edu. system in America- but they are hopelessly outnumbered by the idiots in positions who "decide"where the monies go?// goes .
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Posted: 10/15/2009 9:20:24 PM |
you say throw more money at education. we do that. and it gets worse! in no particular instruction on how/ what to use it for -it goes to the people who already have the job of teaching - which they are failing at- and the "Teacher associations"
again.... the teachers aren't allowed to make many decisions. It's the admin... hired business people who keep making all the decisions. | |
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| Are the U.S. public schools really that bad?
Posted: 10/15/2009 11:50:53 PM | Public Schools should charge tuition. That in and of itself would get parents involved.
Anytime you pay for something out of pocket it becomes something of value.
The current system of public education has little to no value. It's taken for granted because it isn't worth anything. | |
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| Are the U.S. public schools really that bad?
Posted: 10/18/2009 5:45:23 AM | steveemac - Basically you needed to see an earlier post on the subject before reacting to the homosexual agenda bit.
Did you even READ the LINK>>>?????
You went through and created a large argument out of a little post. That is EXACTLY what is happening in schools. As YOU STATED...
No, they're trying to present a more balanced view of a complex historical figure; Show me a "FIFTH Grader" that can take a COMPLEX situation and retain all the information thrown at them. All the kids on my block at the fifth grade level, (even the smart ones), have more important things to worry about than vast amount of information about ONE BLIP in time. Do they REALLY need to know if Christopher Columbus was mean? If he treated people bad? Plus anything else that he may or may not have done! As we see history changes with the political agenda at the time and who wins wars. History also is written by people who can write! All for the reason that anything not written becomes MYTH. For cripes sake man. They stuck Chris on TRIAL in PA!!! They found him guilty and sentenced the guy to life in prison... Hahahahahaha....
Kracht said an emerging multiculturalism led more people to investigate the cruelties suffered by the Taino population in the 1960s and '70s, along with the 500th anniversary in 1992. .............. The students were forced to stand in a cafeteria and not allowed to eat while other students teased and intimidated them — apparently so they could better understand the suffering indigenous populations endured because of Columbus. They never mentioned the ages of the students. Do kids of ANY AGE need to have this practice applied in school?????
"A man may imagine things that are false, but he can only understand things that are true, for if the things be false, the apprehension of them is not understanding." -Isaac Newton The TRUTH is in the MATHS. You can not create an invalid formula and call it true. The numbers will not add up. THAT is EXACTLY what they are teaching! Invalid formulas!
"The truth shall make you free"--John 8:32 Today's truth with be tomorrows MYTH! As we see more and more "truths" are found every day. BUT more and more MYTHS are created every day. ALL in the name of multiculturalism. Political Correctness. AND JOHN 8:32??? Do you realize that many people would fault you for quoting the Bible? A book of FICTION in some peoples minds! PLUS you took the passage out of context! The truth will ONLY make you free IF you BELIEVE in HIM! Said unto the Jews.
any "hate" would come from the people that are responsible for a child's moral training: their parents. Here you take MY words out of context. I said "HATE THEIR OWN HERITAGE." You said...
"Another good example is presenting the evidence that Jefferson had an affair -and children- with his slave Sally Hemings. Does that mean that Jefferson's accomplishments are diminished? Does knowing that information mean that kids are taught to "hate?" Only if -IMHO- one believes that interracial families are somehow a bad thing-and kids won't learn that in schools; they will -and do- learn it from their families." I SAID...
"Lets get back to believing in our country and not putting it down. Filling kids with hate is basically what they are doing. To hate their own heritage is terrible. It undermines the values and morals of this country." The HERITAGE by the context of the structure above concludes that I was talking about their AMERICAN HERITAGE! By your going on about Jefferson was appropriate about the American heritage but what the heck are you spouting off about interracial families? IT DOES show that when certain topics arise that people will move from what Jefferson did for the country and OVERSHADOW his accomplishments by his affair! And YOU brought it up!!!!!!
Education isn't supposed to be about teaching children "good;" it's about teaching children facts, and helping them develop critical thinking and problem-solving skills. As stated above. FACTS are ONLY what is popular and accepted by society at any given time. FACT, Caligula accepted way that almost destroyed Rome. FACT, Claudius removed those accepted ways and Rome survived. Making a NEW set of accepted laws. Critical thinking and problem-solving skills is what they should be learning TRUE!!! So WHY teach children about inaccurate beliefs of popular culture!
What I am saying here is that elementary schools should teach the BASICS. The basics do not include how many concubines any given president had, how many leaders of groups had. Did good ol' Christopher abuse people and follow any number of other paths of unimportant information. Middle and High schools may wish to expand on such subjects. BUT if they wish to teach the truth then also include the information on a global scale and teach FACTS. Not most of this crap I'm seeing today.
I wouldn't let them engage in hero worship in the name of patriotism.
Really? What about just plain Patriotism? To be proud that they are born in a country where so many good things go on. Where people from all over the world wish to be! Where OVER 1 MILLION people per year come to live from ALL OVER the WORLD!
How about DIVIDE the sentence. No Heroes? No Hero Worship? And I see you are JUST as controlling as many parents are today.... "You will not let them." I guess that just throws out critical thinking and problem solving. For you will do it. JUST like we see all over this country now. Kids are growing up and can not cope with reality.
Divorce rates are OVER 50%, STD's are 1 out of 3, Bankrupt, overweight. Critical life altering thinking!!!!
Kids are not just shooting up high schools anymore... Now it's colleges! At what age are your children GROWN enough to understand right from wrong? Critical life altering thinking!!!
Hahahahahhaha...
But really man.. If you have kids I hope the best for them! | |
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Posted: 10/18/2009 9:32:17 PM |
Show me a "FIFTH Grader" that can take a COMPLEX situation and retain all the information thrown at them. Kids can handle a lot more than you want to give them credit for-or maybe I'm just used to the intelligence that my own children have, and use.
All the kids on my block at the fifth grade level, (even the smart ones), have more important things to worry about than vast amount of information about ONE BLIP in time. Other than feeling incredibly uneasy about how you know so much about "all the kids on [your] block," what exactly do all these kids have to do that is more important than learning?
Do they REALLY need to know if Christopher Columbus was mean? If he treated people bad? Plus anything else that he may or may not have done! As I mentioned -and a little bit of actual research would confirm, if you'd bother to attempt it- Columbus WAS a complex human being, with both positive and negative attributes.
To answer your question more directly, if kids need to know anything about Columbus, they need to know the truth-not some fictionalized account or ancient myth.
They never mentioned the ages of the students. Do kids of ANY AGE need to have this practice applied in school????? If the exercise- and doing something ONCE does not constitute a "practice"- was well-monitored by educators, and thoroughly discussed afterwards, I think it could be a good learning tool; a little empathy can go a long way.
The TRUTH is in the MATHS. You can not create an invalid formula and call it true. The numbers will not add up. THAT is EXACTLY what they are teaching! Invalid formulas! I thought your earlier post was about something specific: you outrage at a non-idolizing view of Columbus. What are the invalid formulas that "they" are teaching?
That aside, one cannot view History/Social Studies as something formulaic; there are many sides to any given situation, and our children deserve to know all of them, if they are to learn any of them.
Today's truth with be tomorrows MYTH! As we see more and more "truths" are found every day. BUT more and more MYTHS are created every day. ALL in the name of multiculturalism. Political Correctness. AND JOHN 8:32??? Do you realize that many people would fault you for quoting the Bible? Again, what is your problem with "multiculturalism?" What is wrong with encouraging kids to be respectful of people that are different than they are? They don't have to agree with other cultures, just respect their right to be different.
Which "myths" are being created that you find so heinous?
As far as anybody "faulting" me, I gave up caring about what "many people" think of me a long time ago; I'm my own man, and I make no apologies for who I am and what I believe.
Here you take MY words out of context. I said "HATE THEIR OWN HERITAGE." Hate is hate. When is hate not hate?
The HERITAGE by the context of the structure above concludes that I was talking about their AMERICAN HERITAGE! By your going on about Jefferson was appropriate about the American heritage but what the heck are you spouting off about interracial families? IT DOES show that when certain topics arise that people will move from what Jefferson did for the country and OVERSHADOW his accomplishments by his affair! And YOU brought it up!!!!!! My "going on" about Jefferson was done in analogy; I explained how in the original posting. Yes, I brought it up; I was trying to make the point that knowing that Jefferson was -gasp!- an imperfect human being with faults and defects does not diminish what he accomplished - just as knowing that Columbus was -gasp!- also an imperfect human being with faults and defects does not diminish what he, too, accomplished.
BUT if they wish to teach the truth then also include the information on a global scale and teach FACTS. Well, the FACTS are that Columbus wasn't an angel; this is confirmed by entries in his own journals, as well as in other documentation.
Really? What about just plain Patriotism? To be proud that they are born in a country where so many good things go on. Where people from all over the world wish to be! Where OVER 1 MILLION people per year come to live from ALL OVER the WORLD! So, in one breath, you rail against the creeping evil of "multiculturalism," yet in the next, you seek to exalt the greatness of America by showing that people come "from all over the world!" Which tends to make this country rather...multicultural, it would seem; the big disconnect between you and I is that I teach my kids -and yes, I (and their mother) are the ones that get to teach them such values as acceptance and tolerance- that yes, many people come here from all over the world, and when they bring some of their culture with them from their old home, it makes America stronger and better.
And I see you are JUST as controlling as many parents are today.... "You will not let them." Thank you for pointing this out to me; I really think I should have said -and need to make sure I state it as such in the future- "I would not teach them..." or "I would not encourage them..."
But really man.. If you have kids I hope the best for them! I'd thank you for that, but I really don't believe you; frankly -given your shrill rhetoric- I think you'd actually take a perverse delight in the knowledge of my children being considered "failures" by whatever standards you hold to...but given that any standards you have about what makes a child successful or a failure are held by someone -yourself- that actually has no children, I have to believe that you'll consider them failures just to validate your own paranoia. | |
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Posted: 10/22/2009 2:14:57 AM | | Not a week goes by that I don't have to argue with some kid that they gave me the wrong change and it is usually that they gave me too much. Got shorted last week $6.00 on a restaurant tab in my change on a to go order. Kids are getting dumber. If I ever have kids and that is looking doubtful they will be home schooled or a christian school if they teach things right. | |
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| Are the U.S. public schools really that bad?
Posted: 10/22/2009 6:11:30 AM | People are considered "assets" of a state or land. They also could be a "debt". Teachers are supposed to be educated and have knowledge of Developmental Stages of people and Basic Psychology. When kids smoke, carry in drugs, start fights, etc. why is it that the TEACHERS and Staff turn their heads and pretend nothing is happening. Obviously, they are showing partiality or they don't want to get involved because of the consequences. KIDS learn how to MODEL the behaviors of the adults that are in authority. It may be a challenge to stick your neck out and Stop what is wrong from happening---but ADULTS need to MODEL good behavior to others if they are to teach KIDS to be RESPONSIBLE adults. Travel in 2's might help. Get another staff to discreetly approach the kid and speak to them if at all possible or separate a fight. Something needs to be done. Get security if available and needed.
Schools these days are danger zones. Some kids bring guns, knives, weapons to school because of fear. Just taking them away doesn't solve the problem. Teachers and staff need to investigate into the whys? Why is the kid fearful? What is happening at home? What is happening at school?, etc. Kids oftentimes, do not understand fully how dangerous a weapon could be and sometimes may overreact and use the weapon inappropriately on someone, but in the kids mind he is only trying to protect himself or maybe want others to look up to him. However there are laws concerning weapons also. This may be a sign of something else happening within the kid. Investigate and address the root of the problem. It doesn't solve it to just suspend the kid. | |
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| Are the U.S. public schools really that bad?
Posted: 10/22/2009 3:16:28 PM | Florida public schools suck, ranked 39th in the nation.
The dumbing down of this state is happening, budget cuts forced out great professors out of the big universities. Thousands of seats have been lost, state colleges can't keep up with the demand for certain professions.
I'm so glad I don't have kids in school.
Blame it on lack of funding, administration and bad parenting.
Why Florida has no state income tax is beyond me. Schools are funded with lottery money. Yeah....ok. | |
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Posted: 10/23/2009 1:57:04 PM | Tigerdreamer,
please , take no personal offence to what is written here. It is merely outside observations. you sound to be truly a professional working for the children, and not interested in just the "benefits" only, tenure seeking hypocrite that the profession is becoming.
the teacher parent organisations in the political realm of being supporters for what the educational unions bargain for / give monies raised by the associations reps to get what seems to be a bigger union with more members and less guidance/ regulation by the gov't. seems to me to be a payday/tribute to the underachievers in teaching that teach by laziness, political agendas, and the overall dumbing down the children,...
are the ones that the unions get their monies/dues from. if the teachers were truly united, then why are things getting muscled through the NEA that the teachers are against in the first place?
perhaps it is because some teachers have had enough and are just exhausted from trying to make a difference and fighting a system that they are eventually paying to get what the unions lobby for, they just go with the flow.
perhaps the union is actually, nowadays, paying the political parties as to make the very same laws which call for teachers to pay into a union that is acting to pass legislation that disagrees with the very teachers that "opt" to join the unions to strengthen the unions to lobby for "better " ways to educate the children by donating the funds raised by the union to ask for more regulation of what they are truly lobbying for which is a bigger union, with more dues paying members, so they can lobby the gov't. to make favorable action through legislation to make the union "needed.
Kinda goes in circles doesn't it
All this is made possible through the members of the union paying membership dues.
So what it all boils down to is money! don't make waves vs the System, or you will be forcedout legally so just pay your dues so the union can lobby for what most teachers fight against.
if all the teachers who pay "dues" stop paying, then and only then will things get better.
it's a members only union. so only members can make their voices heard if they want to and start a true grass roots effort to change the status quo!
Dale | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 3:41:47 PM | Most Public Schools have become nothing but "social cesspools" full where students are neither imparted knowledge or adequately prepared for life. Homeschoolling or private school is a better alternative if you want a quality education and superior morals.
I agree with you that indoctrination by gays and lesbians should not be allowed to be taught to young and impressionable minds in school!! | |
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