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Especially if there's any chance that experiments like these may turn out the discovery of resources that have the potential for profitability. Which could be a possibility should they find more than water particles.
So we have proven that we cannot control ourselves and damage earth, so now were going to try and get on another planet to pillage and ultimately damage it.The human race is a cancer and wouldn't blame any space inhabitant for destroying us. | |
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| NASA Bombing The Moon, Oct 9th
Posted: 10/9/2009 12:23:42 PM | AncientMuse:
People can't help but try to read between the lines with your posts right back to the OP. Your reasoning is vague with a lot of hinting towards this is a slippery slope such. Which is trying to build a mountain out of a mole hill in itself.
NASA's programs depend on government funding, need I say more ?
So what? A lot of organizations depend on government funding, charities, school, etc. So should we start questioning them as well? I'm not going to state that the U.S. government is pure and innocent, what government can claim that status? However, I just don't see your point. Just because it depends on government, doesn't mean it's bad or the government is looking for something new and evil to play with.
And yes, as a matter of a fact.... it IS easy to criticize the US government for taking a scientist's work and utilizing it to their own political agenda decades after the fact, not unlike many other country's governments that stepped in and snapped up scientist's discoveries...... so your point is...... ?
We are getting off topic with this but I'll try to keep it brief.
My point was that it is easy to critique the actions of past governments in a time where were were not around. Yes, the government based atomic developments on Einsteins work. I'll give you that. However, you completely ignore the history and context that it was based on. If you look into the context and history around it, your point could be used against your own arguement.
This is not the place for a WWII debate though. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 3:02:31 PM |
The only problem is that you're using vaporware in your alleged calculations. No such power plant exists.
Note the first line: If Helium3 can deliver its promise...
The calculations were based on an average steam power plant efficiency of 35% although some are over 45%. The distribution network assumes to be about 80% again based on the existing distribution network. The calculations of energy released were based on the fusion reaction physics. Some of the research currently being done is aimed at using MHD technology where the plasma temperatures themslves are the basis of the thermal engine further raising the Carnot efficiency limits yet not precluding steam to recover the waste heat energy from that step. Although MHD generators have been built, fueling them is not practicle with air breathing chemical burners.
As for Kinetic Energy Entrapment Technologies, I suppose there are such devices but on a scale of capturing rocks falling at 17,000MPH in the upper atmosphere. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 3:55:18 PM |
As for Kinetic Energy Entrapment Technologies, I suppose there are such devices but on a scale of capturing rocks falling at 17,000MPH in the upper atmosphere.
Both the He-3 reactor and Kinetic Energy Entrapment are just missing some technical/engineering details. Speculation based on non-existent technology is pointless. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 8:34:12 PM | So we have proven that we cannot control ourselves and damage earth, so now were going to try and get on another planet to pillage and ultimately damage it.
Well, firstly the Moon isn't another planet. Secondly, damage what? There's no ecology on the Moon; are you worried about rocks & dust being disturbed? And pillage from who???
pillage [pil-ij]
–verb (used with object)
1. to strip ruthlessly of money or goods by open violence, as in war; plunder: The barbarians pillaged every conquered city.
2. to take as booty.
–verb (used without object)
3. to rob with open violence; take booty: Soldiers roamed the countryside, pillaging and killing.
–noun
4. the act of plundering, esp. in war.
5. booty or spoil.
Heck, if the Moon is rich in minerals & ores we want, how much better for Earth's ecology if we moved all our mining to the Moon & just shipped the finished product to Earth.
The human race is a cancer and wouldn't blame any space inhabitant for destroying us.
Well, I wouldn't worry about any space inhabitants from the Moon. If the human race is a cancer, I guess that'd make individual humans tumors.... does this mean you're volunteering ( as a tumorous growth) to remove yourself ? | |
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| NASA Bombing The Moon, Oct 9th
Posted: 10/10/2009 9:30:44 AM | The experiment is for the amusement of NASA nerds and schoolchildren, probably the former group displaying the most childish joy.
There are far better uses for the money here on earth.
If there was life on the moon it will probably be extinguished by Man already.... The atmosphere of the moon is now 99% exhaust fumes, thanks to the NASA rockets, moon landers etc.
As for mining drops of water.....DUH | |
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Posted: 10/10/2009 9:57:33 AM |
There are far better uses for the money here on earth.
Possibly, but I think it would be a little off the wall for NASA to work on humanitarian, or community improvement projects as a space agency. I think it is fitting for NASA to spend its money on space research, that is after all, why it exists and the purpose of the reason it receives funding.
The atmosphere of the moon is now 99% exhaust fumes, thanks to the NASA rockets, moon landers etc.
Luckily for the non-existent moon ecology, the moon doesnt have enough gravity to sustain much atmosphere. So out of the 3 or 4 atoms of atmosphere per square inch, equaling maybe a cubic foot of atmosphere on the earth, 99% is about the carbon footprint of a burnt match. Not that it matters since rocket fuel turns into water when you burn it. | |
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| NASA Bombing The Moon, Oct 9th
Posted: 10/10/2009 10:13:10 AM | come on girls and boys ....
guys love to shoot off rockets and watch them go boom.
sometimes they go fizzle.
it was a relatively inexpensive experiment as far as NASA goes....
so enjoy it for the very little entertainment it had. | |
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Posted: 10/10/2009 3:08:20 PM | | Not wanting to cause an "international" incident - but since when did the moon become the property of the US for NASA to do what it wanted with it? | |
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Posted: 10/10/2009 3:20:56 PM | Ravensworth...
There are far better uses for the money here on earth.
The current (FY2008) NASA budget is 17 billion dollars per year. That's less than three dollars for every person on the planet. What kind of 'good' are you expecting such a pittance to do? | |
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Posted: 10/10/2009 5:22:42 PM |
Not wanting to cause an "international" incident - but since when did the moon become the property of the US for NASA to do what it wanted with it?
Well, any other nation that wants to crash probes or land on the Moon is free to do so. | |
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| NASA Bombing The Moon, Oct 9th
Posted: 10/10/2009 5:31:23 PM |
Not wanting to cause an "international" incident - but since when did the moon become the property of the US for NASA to do what it wanted with it?
Short answer - it's NOT.
The Japanese, Indians, Russians, have also sent probes to the Moon - and the Chinese are planning manned trips.
Any nation willing to invest in the technology is free to follow suit... | |
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Posted: 10/10/2009 5:47:35 PM |
Well, any other nation that wants to crash probes or land on the Moon is free to do so.
And has.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandrayaan-1 | |
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Posted: 10/11/2009 12:04:23 AM | | So let me get this right so there's no misunderstanding - any country can do whatever it likes to the moon. If they invest in the technology, any country can go there, extract any resources they want, use it as an industrial dumping ground or test facility for weapons of mass destruction? Am I understanding this correctly? | |
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Posted: 10/11/2009 7:00:04 AM | Well... they can't use it as a BASE for weapons of mass destruction. (Not a good place for that anyway...)
Although - why some people jump to the conclusion that an uninhabited area is going to *immediately* be used as a weapons-testing facility is beyond me...  | |
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Posted: 10/11/2009 7:08:11 AM | | I think the screwed something up because ever since they bombed the moon the weather has turned cool and rainy. Don't mess with the moon. The moon is not going to take it without getting even. | |
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Posted: 10/11/2009 8:29:33 PM |
Speculation based on non-existent technology is pointless.
As a person with a long track record of creating technology, I find this kind of attitude both disturbing and an opportunity. When competitors have this attitude, they are ripe for the picking. The disturbing part is the hopelessness it espouses.
I see a number of possible ways to create a He3 fusion "reactor". I don't see a reasonable way to catch falling rocks in the upper atmosphere traveling at 17,000 Mph which is the approximate speed they would be traveling. About the only use for throwing rocks at earth from the moon would be as a weapon. Taking advantage of the moon's low gravity and very low atmosphere, this would not be improbable. To my knowledge, only China plans on exploiting the He3 potential of the moon. The same electromagnetic launchers that could be used to send He3 back to earth could be used to throw rocks at enemies. | |
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Posted: 10/11/2009 8:33:34 PM |
I see a number of possible ways to create a He3 fusion "reactor".
How about practical ones?
The same electromagnetic launchers that could be used to send He3 back to earth could be used to throw rocks at enemies.
With a week-long trajectory travel time, not very practical. | |
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Posted: 10/12/2009 7:13:31 AM |
I see a number of possible ways to create a He3 fusion "reactor". How about practical ones?
It is expected the repulsive forces making hydrogen fusion so difficult are far lower with He3. Yes, practical reactors, maybe even on a quite small scale.
The same electromagnetic launchers that could be used to send He3 back to earth could be used to throw rocks at enemies. With a week-long trajectory travel time, not very practical.
The Iraq war has lasted how long? Afganistan? How long does it take to prepare a bombing campaign? The long travel time is an advantage in that very little energy is needed in flight to adjust course. The launch energy to escape the moon is far less than the energy delivered to earth because of its higher gravity as your own kinetic system concept demonstrates. The lunar escape velocity as about 5300 Mph but there is almost no atmosphere to interfere with launching. It's a "green" weapon system with virtually no carbon footprint!
Consider launching "dust" canisters as a form of electromagnetic disruption weapon when the dust enters the upper atmosphere or use to take out satellites shotgun style. The variety of possible weapons technologies are quite interesting. As a reminder, only China has committed to actually going to the moon permanently. How's their "human rights" record?
some of you still think we (man) went to the moon?? is that right??
Clear evidence some are still "out there". Now rocketman, what's wrong with the entertainment they provide? These forums are little more than graffitte on digital bathroom walls. | |
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Posted: 10/12/2009 7:25:03 AM | Dave...
The Iraq war has lasted how long? Afganistan? How long does it take to prepare a bombing campaign?
There's a difference - the Iraqis and Afghanis didn't know the bombings were going to happen. Anyone with sufficiently powerful radar installations will know that something is headed their way... with a weeks' warning, they can evacuate the suspected target areas and suffer only property damage. (If you're intending to kill combatants, that would be a tad ineffective...  )
Now rocketman, what's wrong with the entertainment they provide?
Just trying to stay *somewhat* on-topic. This thread is about the LRO/LCROSS missions, Apollo conspiracies have a separate thread.  | |
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Posted: 10/12/2009 8:12:13 AM |
Anyone with sufficiently powerful radar installations will know that something is headed their way... with a weeks' warning, they can evacuate the suspected target areas and suffer only property damage
Indeed, they would also have plenty of time to launch countermeasures ("Anybody got a bat?) and a strike against their opponent's Earth-bound assets. | |
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