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| Technological civilizations destroy themselves?...
Posted: 10/22/2009 10:34:23 PM | Hi Fairy
The problem the chinese have is that they are holding so much of our debt, that they almost have to do what they can so it is not rendered useless.
The US merging with Canada and Mexico............ What is in it for us? If you think that the marches on Washington were big in the late '60's, let people get a wiff that the dumba$$es in Washington want to pull that off, and see just how big it will get. Great fodder for conspiracy theorys, but thats about it.
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| Technological civilizations destroy themselves?...
Posted: 10/23/2009 1:38:46 AM | Technology has not suprassed humanity.
This is assuming humanity and technology are two very distinct things, but are they really?
From an early age passed humans deployed tools to reveal our world in different ways to us. Though we may have done away with natural evolution on our part in the process, we have to try and understand that our technology evolves in place of our biology. Technology is our evolutionary substitute. The difference is natural evolution is subject to the world around the creature, whereas technology is subject to the world, and additionally the wolrd is subject to technology, it can go both ways.
In my opinion, you cannot separate humanity as a concept (without referring to obscure numinous terms like "spirit" or "soul" which sparks up a pointless debate between methods of juxtaposition which use different impetus) without technology. The entire way we relate to our world today is defined by technology. WE made it that way. This didn't just happen. We shaped our world with tools because that's the way we did it. Technology is a human behaviour and humans are technological creatures. The two are linked as one.
Try to explain to a being from another planet, what our status of life is (let's say for just an example they have a translator so they can understand you)
You will see tha technology will come in as an assumed part of this.
Even nomadic cultures would fall subject to this. Any tool, any device created to impart upon something else, like a bridle, a saddle, is technology.
You cannot separate what it is to be human from technology.
And as such, I do not honestly believe there is such a thing as a human non-technological civilization. It doesn't matter where you go, humans will be using tools and tech.
Anything that resembles us but does not (on the chance it exists). Instead, engaging in purely animal behaviour I would not call a human but a homo-sapiens. All Humans are homo-sapiens but not all homo-sapiens are humans.
Thus I would say that yes technological civlizations destroy themselves, because any human civilization that has is an example of this. This is not on part of technology itself as a distinct factor, for with humans I don't think that could be. "Human civlizations destroy themselves" | |
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Posted: 10/23/2009 8:21:04 PM | The US has already denied statehood to Quebec. Something about Quebec being "too demanding" about language and such things. France did much the same thing.
A US/China war.....well....I was only using it as an example of what an army with much less technology could have a shot at taking a smaller, but more technologically advanced army. Similar to Germany at the start of WW2. Finally beaten by superior numbers more than anything.
I wouldn't be depending on an ocean separating them to discount them though. Germany felt that way about the States...and used u-boats (lots of them) to try to control the seas. Think...they sank an average of two ships a day for a long while...but the numbers beat them.
Also...I would imagine on the western US coast there is a large number of Chinese immigrants. there is in Canada. Think what they could do by providing a beachhead.
Perhaps we're getting to the point where our technology will actually save us. We used atomic bombs...then refrained from using them on each other since then. Sure...the threat is there...but not many worry that much about it any longer. We don't build underground shelters in the back yard. We don't have drills in schools for the kids any longer as to what to do during an attack. The gov't no longer supplies us with plans and such for mass evacuations or where to take shelter or anything.
They used to.
Same goes for biologicals and chemicals. Limited use only.
The scary people are the ones who might try opening up a blackhole in a lab somewhere and accidentally getting us all killed. Or some other such experiment.
We are the first and ONLY species ever to be able to defend ourselves from a space-borne disaster like a huge asteroid coming at us. Dinosaurs may have been successful in their time and niche in nature...but they still died out. Perhaps we will think our way to survival. Perhaps we already have. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2009 8:47:34 AM | The leaders of the conquest of the Aztec Empire were Hernán Cortés
Pedro de Alvarado y Contreras. Francisco Pizarro led the conquest of the Incan Empire.
With Cortes The Spanish received bananas, peppers, chocolate, tobacco, tomatoes and gold.
They gave the Aztecs syphillis, gonheria and Roman Catholism
With Pisarro The Spanish received potatoes , maize, coffee ,silver and vast amounts of gold.
They in return gave the Incas syphillis, gonheria, typhus ,and Roman Catholism
In North America the indigenous people gave skins, furs, bison and all of America .
They in return got syphilis, gonheria , firewater , Christianity and democracy.
It looks to me like civilizations are destroyed by other civilisations pox and religion. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2009 1:16:22 PM | ^^^gee...and thanx for pointing out that a "native habit" that continues today kills millions world-wide very year! Namely smoking tobacco...which was unheard of until they introduced it to the Europeans. Sounds like some people have this thing about revenge.... | |
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