| Women on Submarines
Posted: 10/15/2009 3:58:41 PM | ^^^Touché.... The carpet is stained; and I'm exhausted...
I'm going to 10 Forward for a drink.... | |
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| Women on Submarines
Posted: 10/15/2009 5:49:15 PM |
Before making any arbitrary decisions, the Admiralty Board ( or whatever they're calling themselves these days) should view "Operation Petticoat", 1959, with Cary Grant...
Oh, GREAT! Instead of basing their decisions on well-reasoned studies, they should base them on fictional and dated comedies...?  | |
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| Women on Submarines
Posted: 10/15/2009 6:09:54 PM | Dude... You're Canadian...
Good reason seldom comes into play here... My government has made plenty of decisions and implemented policy based on fiction...
Some comic... Some tragic...
Aw, hell... Let the ladies come aboard... | |
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| Women on Submarines
Posted: 10/15/2009 6:50:37 PM | I was in the navy for 4 years on a Frigate. There were 3 females onboard, all officers. After 2 or 3 months, they start to look good enough to eat (and they were nothing special to look at).
I hear it gets crazy on a sub, and if I was a woman I wouldn't go anywhere near it, hell I wouldn't even join the military. Unless of course I loved the attention that I wouldn't get in the civilian world. Which a lot of women join for because nobody would talk to them outside of it... | |
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Posted: 10/15/2009 7:10:59 PM | | ok the consensus from kings bay is that they wouldnt mind short trips (less than 90 days) in mixed company, however the sleeping/hygene area modifications would be costly and reduce work station size....the guys ive spoken to have said bring on an all female crew do some manuevers and see how they handle it. | |
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Posted: 10/15/2009 8:58:23 PM | No women or bananas on a boat ~
it's bad luck.
I don't know why ~
Old seaman won't stand for neither.
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| Women on Submarines
Posted: 10/15/2009 10:17:30 PM | I'm not familiar with this thing about bananas on board... After all... Unless my Chiquitas are being flown in; I assume they arrive safely by ship...
Banana Boat Song?... "Day-Oh"... Harry Belafonte?... Aw, forget it...
Let's drop that for now... I side with Dance and the ghosts of ancient mariners... As well as contemporary seamen who keep valid superstitions alive...
Ladies... We boarded flimsy wooden craft and engaged uncertain seas simply to gain some respite from the madness you put upon us... That was our "time out"...
Discovering new continents, opening new avenues of trade?... Only a ruse...
We just wanted to get the fvck out of the house... | |
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Posted: 10/15/2009 10:30:20 PM | I don't think women should be allowed on submarines. If they were, 8th graders couldn't say "What's long, hard, and full of seamen?" anymore. I mean, how are you supposed to say "What's long, hard, and partially full of seamen also sporting a compliment of seawoman?" It just won't work.
ALso...
As much as I do agree with that to an extent, I'd just like to throw in that when someone has a gun, their sex/weight/size means absolutely nothing. ;-)
Since when are firearms being used ON A SUBMARINE during normal operations?! It is a steel tube that travels around under vast amounts of water and thus pressure, since when is it common to fire a weapon on one? | |
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Posted: 10/15/2009 10:45:47 PM |
There were 3 females onboard, all officers. After 2 or 3 months, they start to look good enough to eat (and they were nothing special to look at).
So did these women ever get so hard up that the butt-ugly guys looked good?  Good gawd what a juvenile statement to make. | |
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Posted: 10/15/2009 10:52:28 PM |
So did these women ever get so hard up that the butt-ugly guys looked good? Good gawd what a juvenile statement to make.
I live next to one of the largest military installations in the US. Juvenile does not begin to describe it. It's DEAD ON though. | |
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Posted: 10/16/2009 6:03:28 AM | Not The Cable Guy...
Dude... You're Canadian...
DUDE! What does that have to do with the discussion at hand?
My government has made plenty of decisions and implemented policy based on fiction...
Some comic... Some tragic...
And they haven't worked out very well, have they...? So what makes you think that basing yet another decision on a fiction would fare any better?
As I pointed out in a prior post - if you're not disciplined enough to control your urges in close quarters, then you've got no business being in that job. Doesn't matter if you're male or female. | |
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| Women on Submarines
Posted: 10/16/2009 6:28:11 AM | Hmm? ~ Everyone gets better looking given the time and isolation.
I sometimes forget many people never experience long term isolation. Being removed from everything saved for a small crew of two to six people. The mind protects you without conscious thought on the matter. ~ It took 4 months for Vietnamese girls to start looking ~ desirable. ~ For they were so tiny, no hips, no breast and the ching, chang , cong noise they made was nothing BeCall would ~ ever say. They wore only sandels or flip flop so they didn't have pretty feet but a wide and tiny ~ flat foot.
But as time went by ~ you begin to see the beauty and the differences among them. ~ The one's with a French mix was most pleasing.
Some men found true love there and never left, but stayed and raised families. Some brought their wives back to the states with them. And like the French, many left children there.
Opps! I've drifted into another thread ~
Isolation ! ~ I don't know about a lager vessel ~ but on a 150ft'er ~ there little room for women if your out over 7 days.
It's not that the "women" act up or can't take it ~ but it's the men that goes "stupid" ~ not all men but just one or two. ~
Having a woman aboard effects their behavior and judgment creating a source of conflict and problems.
A constantly horny man does not work well or stay focused.
When I was in the military ~ I clocked a little hospital bed time ~ Just the sound of women's foot steps walking down the hall gave me an erection. ~
That's just the way young "men" are ! and you can't ignore it or beat it out of them.
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Posted: 10/16/2009 7:26:39 AM | What's long, hard and full of seamen? A submarine, of course (rim shot)
Let 'em in, let gays in, let anyone in the military do anything. We waste too much time, effort and money arguing end enforcing these silly exclusions. | |
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Posted: 10/16/2009 8:58:31 AM | | Take one man and one woman. Put them on a boat in the ocean for 6 months. Guarantee they come back either pregnant or in love. | |
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Posted: 10/16/2009 1:42:25 PM | ^^^
Or one of them won't return at all...
But that same argument can be used in the case of two MEN. | |
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Posted: 10/16/2009 1:50:30 PM | I worked in construction for 13 years and was the first journeywoman electrician in my local. People always object when women enter fields where they have been barred before and it is sometimes women themselves who lead the fight against including women in jobs. You can find a hundred excuses and they are that - excuses.
People have affairs. They don't have to be stuck in close quarters. Look at POF - how many married people are here looking to hook up with someone they've never even seen before. | |
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Posted: 10/16/2009 2:46:20 PM | That's ok....the Obama will[maybe]one day soon rid the military of the "don't ask...don't tell" policy that he has been promising to do since the campaign days and that will open up a whole new avenue of discussions.......and things to be concerned about.
Just how open minded should you be several hundred feet down and isolated for 6 months.Yeah....that's the ticket.....?
And doesn't that give a new meaning to rimshot......? | |
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Posted: 10/16/2009 4:06:19 PM | | No. Not unless our little American princesses change their attitudes and laws change. Same with the gays, I have nothing against them, but the answer is the same for them as women, for the same reasons. I was stuck with women a time or two when I was in the Marines, luckely I was a squad leader and managed to get rid of them by pulling some strings. Through my experience they are all useless. Now this is my opinion baised off of women I was forced to work with, I'm not saying that all of them are like that, I just never met one that wasn't useless. My platoon did have an extra corpsman attatched to us for mission reason, he was with us for about 4 months. The only reason I bring this up is because he was gay. He tried to hide it for a while (he was attatched to an infantry platoon after all), but you could read it on him like a book. Nothing ever happened though, he respected us and we respected him (no one ever told anyone in the command about his orientation either). He was also reliable to to do his job. So based on that experience, if I had to make a choice between serving with women or gays, I would pick the gays over women in a heart beat. | |
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Posted: 10/16/2009 4:13:44 PM | | For a brief second I thought I saw something about submarine screwmates, but I guess it was just a trick of the deep. | |
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Posted: 10/16/2009 5:05:25 PM | | I had no idea there were laws restricting women on combat operations in the U.S. I am appalled at many of the attitudes displayed in the posts I've read here. As a woman in a mostly man's world, I have been subjected to my fair share of macho crap, including sexual harassment, and it's certainly not easy, but I thought we were making progress! It's discouraging to see that so many still feel a woman can't do the same job. In a submarine, there are some unique concerns, but the ability to do the f'ing job shouldn't be one of them! OMG! | |
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Posted: 10/16/2009 5:47:34 PM | Outsideofthemiddle...
I was stuck with women a time or two when I was in the Marines, luckely I was a squad leader and managed to get rid of them by pulling some strings. Through my experience they are all useless.
Out of curiosity - did these women fail to accomplish the tasks they were assigned to...? Were they unable to handle their weapons, did they fall behind in the combat drills...? You say yourself that you got rid of them by 'pulling some strings' - which implies that you failed to show THEM the respect that you expected of everyone else.
I doubt if you'd know whether or not these women you were 'stuck with' managed to stay in the Corps, under a different commander, to lead honourable careers... but it might be interesting to find out... | |
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Posted: 10/16/2009 7:47:22 PM |
In a submarine, there are some unique concerns, but the ability to do the f'ing job shouldn't be one of them! OMG!
Uh , no , the ability to do the job should be the ONLY concern. | |
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Posted: 10/16/2009 9:58:29 PM | Rocket Man Len:
Actually, yes to your first three questions. One failed so godamn horridly that she got one of my guys shot because she wasn’t covering her sector; she cowered like a dog under the hummer in a fight. Show respect, sorry buddy, but in life or death I choose life for my squad and that is the “tactical” answer. Basically this dumb broad just got sent back to her original unit where she could just lounge around and whore herself out.
I remember once in Japan the MPs busted three chicks on base for prostituting themselves out to the Japanese men around base. Between the three of them they had well over $20,000 grand stashed in their lockers.
I noticed that this issue has not arisen yet. Here is another reason why I wanted them out, again to protect the squad from them. Don’t think I was the only one who took protective measures.
http://cmrlink.org/social.asp?docID=276
http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume6/j6_2_4.htm
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/roberts/060905
There is a newer survey out, but I can’t seem to find it. I will continue to look for it because it is very revealing. Out the four branches of the military, not one of them had less than 60% of false sexual assault claims, I think the Air Force sat the highest at around 70% of the sexual assault claims being false. Revealing ladies…really revealing about how you work. | |
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Posted: 10/17/2009 1:17:46 AM | outsideofthemiddle...
Excellent illustration of the misogyny that runs rampant in the services. I guess you really believe that women are cowards, liars and whores. And you're on a dating site? | |
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