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Posted: 10/20/2009 6:03:51 AM | "P.S: the quality of protein from nuts, seeds, coconut milk etc. is far poorer than from dairy protein, less complete amino acid profiles. Just fyi."
hi, this information is just not true, popular but not true... blessings for health | |
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Posted: 10/20/2009 6:34:10 AM | | That's why you don't see any top level vegan bodybuilders. | |
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Posted: 10/20/2009 10:12:03 AM | I've been drinking my shakes now for easily 20 years and i've tried them all including my own recipes with raw eggs  and have found that my current Mutant Mass by PVL taste the best and you can actually belend it by hand.
Any problem i've ever had with bloating was always caused by blending it too fast, keep your blender on the slowest speed it's only powder and you won't get nearly as many bubbles.
I also don't believe in the so called hard gainer and that is where shakes do their magic, no matter how much you eat i've never seen anyone who still couldn't drink a protein shake after a meal so if you eat 6 times a day which you should regardless of your goals you just add in a shake for all those extra calories.
and i was a so called hard gainer. Learn to eat | |
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Posted: 10/20/2009 11:28:50 AM | | I drink them twice a day (as a meal replacement) which I am finding out from you guys on here isn't wise. (GRRRRR!!) My reason? Convenience, I am in a very fast paced job, out seeing clients all day and it's just easier to bring along some powder and drop it into some juice at a convenience store, shake and drink...and I'm done. Second, I struggle with not having an appetite, especially when I get real busy and before I was doing the protien shakes I was finding that more often than not I was simply forgetting to eat, so for me it seemed the shakes where a healthy option. I am VERY picky about what I will eat. Nothing fried, nothing fast food, mainly fish and chicken. When I discovered these I felt like I had finally found a fast, simple way to get nutrition and calories without putting garbage in my diet. Although I'm now being told that my plan isn't so healthy after all, frustrating! | |
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Posted: 10/20/2009 12:03:02 PM |
I drink them twice a day (as a meal replacement) which I am finding out from you guys on here isn't wise.
Twice a day isn't that bad, especially if you're using a decent quality whey protein, not some ridiculous "weight gainer" powder---and are eating at least 2-3 other normal meals a day too. Just make sure you're getting enough fresh fruits and veggies and lean meat/fish the rest of the time. | |
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Posted: 10/21/2009 4:27:38 AM |
"P.S: the quality of protein from nuts, seeds, coconut milk etc. is far poorer than from dairy protein, less complete amino acid profiles. Just fyi."
hi, this information is just not true, popular but not true... blessings for health
Are you saying that individually they do have complete amino acid profiles?
They don't. Though some vegans argue that it may not be necessary to consume complete proteins in the first place. Still, if one were trying to consume 1g/lb of bodyweight of protein, it'd be pretty difficult to get that from nuts, seeds and coconut milk alone. Coconut milk for example is not really a good source of protein, either in quality or quantity. | |
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Posted: 10/21/2009 4:55:50 AM |
Still, if one were trying to consume 1g/lb of bodyweight of protein, it'd be pretty difficult to get that from nuts, seeds and coconut milk alone. Coconut milk for example is not really a good source of protein, either in quality or quantity.
That's a baseline protein intake, a lot of people would try to get a lot more than that, which when you're talking about nuts and seeds makes it impossible to do without taking in probably triple the number of calories from fat you're getting from protein. | |
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Posted: 10/21/2009 7:06:28 AM |
I drink a good 8 or more protein shakes a day when I'm trying to put on weight, but then I'm a vegetarian. If I tried getting my protein intake from eggs I'd bankrupt myself...
Kirkland brand egg whites at Costco are an economic alternative, just be sure to take a biotin supplement as consumption of egg whites can lead to a biotin deficiency. | |
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Posted: 10/21/2009 7:42:09 AM |
That's a baseline protein intake, a lot of people would try to get a lot more than that, which when you're talking about nuts and seeds makes it impossible to do without taking in probably triple the number of calories from fat you're getting from protein.
While I agree that to get your protein from those sources would probably require triple the calories, I'm not totally convinced that 1g/ lb is the baseline/ necessity for everyone. For myself, I aim for 1.5g only if I'm in a calorie deficit with lower carb intake. If I'm on a hypercaloric intake (above maintenance) then 1g/lb or even 1g/ lb of lean mass is sufficient. At least that's generally my approach. | |
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Posted: 10/21/2009 7:44:34 AM | | Not for everyone no, but I think a lot of people would be happier getting in at least that, and if you're trying to do that from seeds and nuts then.... well, you know. | |
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Posted: 10/21/2009 9:02:35 AM |
Not for everyone no, but I think a lot of people would be happier getting in at least that, and if you're trying to do that from seeds and nuts then.... well, you know.
I'd rather get my protein from donuts.... 2g protein for every 200 calorie serving.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtKy6cARCFw
Actually I should be careful. When I uploaded this vid, I had soo many questions if that really was my post workout meal.
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Posted: 10/21/2009 9:50:08 AM |
I'd rather get my protein from donuts.... 2g protein for every 200 calorie serving.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtKy6cARCFw
You need them high-gi carbs, brah. | |
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Posted: 10/21/2009 11:24:28 PM | | hi...yes I am saying that nuts and seeds are good sources of protein, mostly all at 16% protein.. they also contain essential amino acids like lysine, tryptophan, methionine.. taking hydrolyzed proteins which contain glutamate is dangerous... all foods have some protein in them... google is my friend and so are my books... blessings for health | |
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Posted: 10/22/2009 12:22:25 AM |
hi...yes I am saying that nuts and seeds are good sources of protein, mostly all at 16% protein.. they also contain essential amino acids like lysine, tryptophan, methionine
Yeah.... if I'm trying to get, for example, 30g of protein then I can either eat 100g of peanuts and take in 600 calories and 50g of fat and have a lower quality source of protein, or have a scoop of whey (80% protein compared to nuts' 16%) and get virtually no lactose or fat and about 120 calories of high quality dairy protein with a complete amino acid profile. Gee, tough choice.
taking hydrolyzed proteins which contain glutamate is dangerous
Prove it.
all foods have some protein in them
What does this have to do with anything? An apple has like 0.1g of protein in it, so if I want my daily protein intake from apples I'd need to eat 3,000 of them. | |
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Posted: 10/22/2009 1:29:58 AM | If you ate 3000 apples I would be so stoked on life.
No logical reasoning behind that.
And I love me my lean meats.
That is all. | |
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Posted: 10/22/2009 2:55:59 AM |
If you ate 3000 apples I would be so stoked on life.
No logical reasoning behind that.
My friends and I, in our younger idiotic days, used to do food challenges to push ourselves to the limits. I remember my best friend tried to eat an entire packet of instant mash. It was a large plate with instant mashed potato piled 8 inches high. He was doing well, and after a while he was gagging when he started to get the fork near his mouth and so he added tomato sauce and brown sauce, and that only made things worse. He was forcing mouthfuls down by holding his nose and swallowing, it was honestly one of the funniest things I've ever seen. He nearly ate it all as well! He did the same thing with 11 tins of baked beans, that was incredible, he didn't manage to finish them but nearly.
I myself have eaten six tins of rice pudding in a row. I was going for nine and I just couldn't continue.
There was also the water drinking contest... drink a pint of water every minute, first one to give up loses. I gave up after six pints in six minutes, it's a weird feeling to be laughing your head off while you're vomiting up pure water.
The other one that springs to mind is when we were all sat around my kitchen table and the challenge was to eat a small portion of everything... black pepper, white pepper, three types of vinegar (shots), tabasco, brown sauce, coffee granules, gravy granules, tomato sauce, salad cream, mayo, various different types of herbs, jam, salad cream, marmite, a few different types of mustard, there was some other stuff I can't remember. The funniest part was when my mate Rich took a mouthful of pepper and was looking for something to help him get it down and all there was were a few shots of vinegar so he necked them. Absolutely brilliant. I just watched, didn't participate, and it was amazing. He filled an entire bucket with vomit almost immediately after and was freezing yet sweating buckets all night.
I loved it. | |
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Posted: 10/22/2009 7:20:10 AM |
it's hard to find 1 that actually tastes good tho, i usually go with isopure, tastes like kool aid and has plenty of protein.
Nothing worse than buying the ones that don't taste good. There a few great tasting ones out there, try; ProNOS, Syntha 6, Gold Standard whey and Casein. | |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 9:46:11 AM | For the protein bulimics, where is the science?
"In young and old adults, we saw that 12 ounces gave exactly the same increase in muscle protein synthesis as 4 ounces," Paddon-Jones says. "This suggests that at around 30 grams of protein per meal, maybe a little less, muscle protein synthesis hits an upper ceiling."
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/printerfriendlynews.php?newsid=168876
28 g = 1 ounce.
Excess protein stresses the body to break it down and excrete it in urine. | |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 11:00:36 AM | | Landra, could you tell me what kind of protein shake you use that's low in calories, no added sugar and no artificial ingredients? I'm looking for somehting similar to add to me diet. | |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 4:04:20 PM | | I have a hard time getting enough protein in my diet, especially at breakfast, on days that I'm working. I do breakfast shakes with whey, or mix the powder in with oatmeal (along with fruit, chopped nuts & ground flax) or yogurt. | |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 7:36:34 PM | | Crazy me was just eating balanced meals and snacks...like chicken breast fish egg whites with a yolk thrown in then i was adding these things called veggies , some carbs to have the energy to do all my sports and drinking loads of water..only having a protein shake if i didnt have the time to do any cooking...which isnt often...yet my body is still cut and im still able to workout hard and compete in races and competitions..it seems some ppl always need to beleive some magic potion is going to get them where they want to go instead of just doing the hard work and eating well..not talking about fitness competitors cuz then ur on a different level but most ppl on here use the protein shakes as a crutch..oh and a glass of chocolate milk is suppose to be just as good as having a shake after a workout.. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2009 2:07:21 AM |
a glass of chocolate milk is suppose to be just as good as having a shake after a workout..
You've heard wrong, for two reasons. One, the amount of protein in milk is 3.5g roughly per 100ml.... so unless you're drinking a litre of chocolate milk you're not getting as much protein as from a decent sized scoop of whey. Secondly the protein is 70% casein and only 30% whey so it digests too slowly for right after a workout.
The sugar in the milk is great though, but you can have whey in water with some sort of sugar (jelly beans, jam sandwiches with white bread, dextrose, whatever) and get better results. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2009 3:56:32 AM | | Some are actually very healthy not to mention easy when some of us work, are on the road or want something to have during a work out. Some of us also eat very healthy. Why do some people make stupid ass remarks about things they obviously know nothing about? I would rather see people drinking a protein shake than a vat of alcohol. ISO Sensation 93. Cookies and cream. 1 g carb 1 g fat 60g protein. Pricless. Tastes great. What is the issue? The rest of the day, salmon, tuna, red meat and turkey. And to hell with the drama of vegan and vegetarian crap. Not bodybuilding material. Just fatty crap, IMO. I am looking for muscle, not unecessary calories. Rare steak please, extra Brocolli hold the starch. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2009 6:00:37 AM | If I am having a rushed day and can't find the time to cook one of the meals I eat normally, I cheat and use a shake. If I am not, I usually get 140-200g of protein in my diet alone. Simple as that.
<div class='quote'>While I agree that to get your protein from those sources would probably require triple the calories, I'm not totally convinced that 1g/ lb is the baseline/ necessity for everyone. For myself, I aim for 1.5g only if I'm in a calorie deficit with lower carb intake. If I'm on a hypercaloric intake (above maintenance) then 1g/lb or even 1g/ lb of lean mass is sufficient. At least that's generally my approach.
+1 to this. 2g per # of LBM that you see these puny highschool kids taking in because of some magazine article is rediculous. It is a waste of time, money, food, and harder on the body than is necessary.
hi...yes I am saying that nuts and seeds are good sources of protein, mostly all at 16% protein.. they also contain essential amino acids like lysine, tryptophan, methionine.. taking hydrolyzed proteins which contain glutamate is dangerous... all foods have some protein in them... google is my friend and so are my books... blessings for health
This is very poor advice. Sure, they contain protein, but they also contain a TON of fat, and good or bad, that is calories. If I used nuts and seeds as my protein source instead of meat, using peanuts, I would have to consume...3,400 calories of peanuts to get 150g of protein. That would be 42g of saturated fat, or roughly 2X the daily recommended value, and 300g of total fats, or 4.7X recommended daily fat intake.
PURE FAIL.
Where-as, if I ate chicken breasts...
to get 150g protein would only require 722 calories total intake, and the fat content would be around 10-15% daily intake recommended. CHolesterol intake would be roughly 125% daily recommended, however. So take your pick, a little extra cholesterol, or a TON of extra fat and saturated fat. I will take the 125% cholesterol as this is based on a 2,000kCal diet and I am eating a bit more than that, so it balances out to the same or better proportionately.
My point is, with nuts, you have over 3,000 calories to get your protein, with chicken, a mere 700 will suffice. MUCH better. | |
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