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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/17/2009 11:09:25 PM | Am no conspiracy theorist type. Just have some legit questions I haven't gotten answers to. Every year between 30-40 thousand Americans die from the flu. Then one reads that this shot that they so quickly developed is safe, yet they admit it hasn't been tested on humans,while at the same time saying its a shot people need to have.
Then I read that it was incubated using eggs, yet people with egg allergies know they cannot have shots with egg content. And are these eggs organic? Now we hear on local news that one may need two shots not one. So would you want the most fragile or vulnerable person to have an untested vaccine? Why not give it to the strongest volunteers to see what reactions their are?
How much do people hear about basic hygiene and how it helps prevent illness? Like how many men if asked would be honest enough to say they don't wash their hands after using the bathroom? And what role does getting enough sleep and eating whole healthy food play in preventing illness? | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/18/2009 9:06:08 AM | Handling money is nasty ~ so many of the men that come in where I work don't believe in soap and water, then they hold their filthy hand out for you to give their change to them
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/20/2009 8:41:27 PM | I have just been through swine flu. It lasts for about 6 weeks. It knocks you on your butt. I am now sick yet again with another flu.
I wash my hands, carry sanitizer and disinfect all surfaces. I am very careful.
NONE of this helped.
I will be the FIRST in line for the vaccination. Unless you have gone through H1N1, you dont know how incapacitating this illness is. I will gladly risk the vaccine, I simply cant take an entire winter of serial flu. | |
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Posted: 10/20/2009 8:51:03 PM | Washing your hands, using sanitizer and disinfecting all surfaces certainly helps, but it doesn't make anyone immune. I don't think people realize how far a sneeze travels. It travels FAR!
Glad to hear you're okay :) | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/20/2009 8:52:40 PM | | P.S. Since your immune system has already been exposed to H1N1, a vaccine isn't really necessary. Your lymphocytes are much better-equipped to attack it i it comes around a second time. Getting the vaccine would just be redundant, in my professional opinion. | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/20/2009 9:25:07 PM | Some people are in high-risk professions, like hospital workers and other people who deal with the public. I noticed that many of them eventually become immune to almost anything. I think that your immune system is weakened for some reason if you are getting one flu after another.
There are lots of ways to boost your immune system, and they don't all include getting the flu injected into yourself.
Getting a regular night's sleep of at least 8 hours helps.
Getting enough sunshine and vitamin D.
Get enough exercise every day.
Avoid things that tax your immune system, like eating processed sugar (proven to lower your immune system for hours after eating it.)
Avoid too much alcohol, don't do recreational drugs, don't smoke, stay away from smoke.
Avoid chemical exposure. Particularly solvents, pesticides and VOC's (volitile organic chemicals). These affect your immune system. Try to find suitable natural substitutes and get good ventilation while using them.
For instance, instead of using rubbing alcohol (toxic), use drinkable vodka for disinfection and cleaning.
Tylenol actually can make your immune system worse for a while, even though it is good for pain.
Take some vitamin C, cod liver oil (emulsified), echinacia.
Try homeopathic remedies for flu. In my experience over many years, homeopathic remedies do work.
I like the blend of herbs available in this product called Airborne. It helped me the last time I was sick, when nothing else seemed to work.
Try soaking in a hot tub or sauna periodically throughout the winter. Raising your body temperature kills viruses and some bacteria, just like having a fever does, but it doesn't require getting sick first for it to work.
If you must work closely with other people during flu season, ask them up front to not expose you if they feel sick. Some people try to work through just about any illness, and won't think twice of coming in to work sick.
When you are practising good hygiene, don't forget to wash doorknobs, telephone phone receivers, shared keyboards, light switches, mailbox lids, handles on things. I carry around individually wrapped alcohol wipes to use on things when I go out. (I care for someone who is disabled.)
I get exposed a lot from being in clinics, Doctor's waiting rooms, and hospitals a lot. I was on an infectious disease committee at our regional Children's Hospital, and I am aware how few people practice good hygiene, even in hospitals. You would be surprised at how few Doctors actually wash their hands between patients. Things are getting better there, but it was a struggle just for them to acknowledge the problem. | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/20/2009 10:21:51 PM | I refuse to get a flu shot because of all the mixed info out there, AND because a good friend of mine got one year before last and ended up sick for several days with severe flu symtoms after!
However, we were just informed by our school district that they are REQUIRING that all the students get the swine flu vaccine by the end of the year. So, as parents we have no decision making ability in this at all! We have to send our children to school or face charges with the truency courts (not that I would keep my kids out of school, just making a point) and in order for them to attend school they have to be vaccinated. So, how's that for freedom and liberty? I was livid over that tidbit of information! | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/21/2009 1:32:49 AM |
However, we were just informed by our school district that they are REQUIRING that all the students get the swine flu vaccine by the end of the year. So, as parents we have no decision making ability in this at all! We have to send our children to school or face charges with the truency courts (not that I would keep my kids out of school, just making a point) and in order for them to attend school they have to be vaccinated. So, how's that for freedom and liberty?
NOW there is a major law suit waiting to happen...
Every year my son gets sent a notice that they want his vaccine records... He had them up until he was 5, and at 12 a tetanus. NO MY SON WILL NOT GET ANY MED AND OR VACCINE while we live in the US of A, which is supposed to be the land of liberty...
My son NOT getting a shot is NOT going to impose any more of a risk to any other child than the next who gets this injection...
I don't know if anyone recalls the flu shots from last year that OOPS they didn't get the flu virus killed enough, so it caused a LOT of very sick people Forum Goddess perhaps you friend got one of those batches, that was NOT irradiated enough to kill off the really strong viruses)... Further more one of the Blazer basket ball cheerleaders had a regular flu shot and is now paralyzed...
Unless I live in a country where their is no civil rights, which by the actions of these past few years they are getting fewer and fewer, I will take a stand if this were to be presented as an issue...
So far each year I explain it is against my fundamental religious belief to give my son a vaccine, that has NOT been proven to be safer than what they are supposedly protecting against...
I believe as a parent, and an American WE DO HAVE A RIGHT, that is until we allow our government whom WE PAY to do what ever takes those rights away, without a fight...
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/21/2009 11:17:25 AM | | Dot, is there evidence that one round of swine flu gives you some enhanced immunity? Logically it should, but is there data on subsequent infections? The CDC site mentions that if you have a flu and then see a return of symptoms, espe respiratory or neurological, as in confusion and syncope, that you should report to a health care provider. I would be reassured to know that once i have had it, it wont come back, but is there evidence to support this? Thank you in advance. | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/21/2009 11:29:31 AM | Peace,
I'm not sure if there are any such studies, but I can assure you that yes, after fighting it the first time, you are definitely more immune to it than others. In fact, those who are not vaccinated but have fought the flu are more protected against it than people who haven't fought it, but received the vaccine.
The CDC website is right in stating that, since it is possible that you can become that ill a second time, though I highly doubt it.
The secondary immune response (so, your immune system that has already created memory cells to recognize the same illness if you come into contact with it *again*) strength depends on many factors, one of which being genetic. For some reason, some people create more memory cells than others. It is the people in the latter group who are more likely to get ill the second time around. | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/21/2009 4:37:44 PM |
30-40 thousand Americans die from the flu
Really, ZenBeth? Where'd you get these statistics from?
Maybe the people on this thread should actually look at their sources and learn basic immunology before spouting off sh** and sounding like retards!
Really! "Oh, I'm not getting the flu shot because ONE friend of mine got sick" - okay, dumbass, which strain of influenza did they get? Or was it a cold? OR were they exposed or immune comprimised when they recieved the flu shot?
Geez.
I now avoid vehicles and roads becasue one friend got in an accident once.
/retards/. | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/21/2009 5:27:33 PM |
30-40 thousand Americans die from the flu
Really, ZenBeth? Where'd you get these statistics from?
Key Facts About Seasonal Influenza (Flu)
Every year in the United States, on average:
- 5% to 20% of the population gets the flu;
- more than 200,000 people are hospitalized from flu-related complications; and
- about 36,000 people die from flu-related causes.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/keyfacts.htm
Maybe the people on this thread should actually look at their sources and learn basic immunology before spouting off sh** and sounding like retards!
Pot Meet kettle. | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/21/2009 8:21:37 PM | Raq, some people DO know basic immunology, and have learned they don't need to get some shot that has a shit load of toxins, mixed with the virus... Just because a person gets a freaking flu shot doesn't mean some other strain won't come along, and cause worse problems if they get it around the same time they got a vaccine for the flu...
Whole point is for the body to see the virus as an enemy, and then the body goes to fight it, however who's to say there isn't another flu, cold or some sort of virus the person catches around the same time...
You want to get injected, go for it... Your choice, you money, however some of us don't feel the need to do so... I was medical professional for many many years, did NOT get flu shots, and never had the flu working with hundreds of sick hacking, sneezing patients...
I don't give a rats butt if one person gets sick, I don't need more mercury, and other crap dumped into my body.... Thanks, Hope in time you grow up enough to learn to be more polite then resorting to calling names that were used in first grade... | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/22/2009 9:46:16 AM | Dot and others
I do suspect some increased immunity, but sub types of the virus continuously evolve, so I predict a mild second infection, but I dont know for sure, there could be new antibody and T cell clones needed to deal with changes in the protein and gene sequences of the different viroids.
So far I have put together a pretty good H1N1 survival kit.
3 Sisu multivitamins 2X a day
Udos own EFAS, X2, 3X a day
Manuka honey, ad lib
Vitamin C, ad lib
For symptom control
combined decongenstant and anti fever medication, the Nyquil day and night combo packs are nice, providing mild sedation at night
This seems to take the sting out of the symptoms. Whether it reduces the duration of infection, idk. | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/22/2009 9:02:02 PM | There are hundreds of types of flu viruses. Every year, the CDC gets together to decide which ones are likely to be the most prevalent for that year. And that is the "flu shot" we get. It's a combo of different ones. These are actually dead. And it being dead, you will not get the flu from it. The body will recognize the pathogen and form a response to it. So that in the the future, if you come across the pathogen, you will be ready and able to fight it.
Some people have a psychosomatic effect, they cant adjust their minds to the actual fact. Some actually contract another flu virus not in the injection. Others just want to argue about the legitimacy of the injection itself. Millions get the flu vaccine, thousands get the flu, hundreds die. Millions vs Hundreds. You do the math.
This is not a Big Brother Thing. The government spends millions of dollars every year, vaccinating for the flu and pneumonia. Do YOU really think it is a conspiracy against YOU? It really isnt all about you. The swine flu injections will cost mega millions. I'm sure politicians would love to have that money in a yearly bonus. But what the hell, we will finance the Pharmaceutical companies, pay them double and triple time, to ensure the injection is safe . The CDC and FDA will take their time to ensure the public welfare. And you can bi*** and gripe about the flu shot you had to get. You should be thanking God, it is there for you. | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/23/2009 6:59:32 PM | | hi... I will be thanking God for my immune system that He put there for me... while I am at it I will also be thanking God for His health message........ vaccines are full of others things, besides dead matter, which saturate the myelin tissue and cause us to be at risk for auto immune diseases .. blessings for health | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/23/2009 9:26:13 PM |
Czech newspapers are questioning if the shocking discovery of vaccines contaminated with the deadly avian flu virus which were distributed to 18 countries by the American company Baxter were part of a conspiracy to provoke a pandemic.
The claim holds weight because, according to the very laboratory protocols that are routine for vaccine makers, mixing a live virus biological weapon with vaccine material by accident is virtually impossible.
“The company that released contaminated flu virus material from a plant in Austria confirmed Friday that the experimental product contained live H5N1 avian flu viruses,” reports the Canadian Press.
Baxter flu vaccines contaminated with H5N1 – otherwise known as the human form of avian flu, one of the most deadly biological weapons on earth with a 60% kill rate – were received by labs in the Czech Republic, Germany, and Slovenia.
Initially, Baxter attempted to stonewall questions by invoking “trade secrets” and refused to reveal how the vaccines were contaminated with H5N1. After increased pressure they then claimed that pure H5N1 batches were sent by accident. This was seemingly an attempt to quickly change the story and hide the fact that the accidental contamination of a vaccine with a deadly biological agent like avian flu is virtually impossible and the only way it could have happened was by wilful gross criminal negligence. http://www.infowars.com/%E2%80%98accidental%E2%80%99-contamination-of-vaccine-with-live-avian-flu-virus-virtually-impossible/
Is Big Pharma trying to heal us or kill us ? Toronto Sun reports :
The company that released contaminated flu virus material from a plant in Austria confirmed Friday that the experimental product contained live H5N1 avian flu viruses.
And an official of the World Health Organization’s European operation said the body is closely monitoring the investigation into the events that took place at Baxter International’s research facility in Orth-Donau, Austria.
“At this juncture we are confident in saying that public health and occupational risk is minimal at present,” medical officer Roberta Andraghetti said from Copenhagen, Denmark.
“But what remains unanswered are the circumstances surrounding the incident in the Baxter facility in Orth-Donau.” The contaminated product, a mix of H3N2 seasonal flu viruses and unlabelled H5N1 viruses, was supplied to an Austrian research company. The Austrian firm, Avir Green Hills Biotechnology, then sent portions of it to sub-contractors in the Czech Republic, Slovenia and Germany.
The contamination incident, which is being investigated by the four European countries, came to light when the subcontractor in the Czech Republic inoculated ferrets with the product and they died. Ferrets shouldn’t die from exposure to human H3N2 flu viruses.
Public health authorities concerned about what has been described as a “serious error” on Baxter’s part have assumed the death of the ferrets meant the H5N1 virus in the product was live. But the company, Baxter International Inc., has been parsimonious about the amount of information it has released about the even http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2009/03/07/live-avian-flu-virus-placed-in-baxter-vaccine-materials-sent-to-18-countries/
Injections are SUPPOSED to be dead viruses, however the nasal spray has mild live viruses...
Whoopy, I feel so lucky to know that their is a company that could so mildly screw up in such a major way... Knowing I can care and improve my OWN immune system, I will stick with that thanks...
I have no fear of death and figure if it is my time, then it is MY TIME, and I will go without complaint... If those who feel the need to have injections that is fine with me, especially if that makes them feel SOOOOOO much safer and that their life will be protected by the CDC, the FDA, and any pharmaceutical that IS into making drugs for profit...  | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/23/2009 10:11:13 PM |
hi... I will be thanking God for my immune system that He put there for me... while I am at it I will also be thanking God for His health message........ vaccines are full of others things, besides dead matter, which saturate the myelin tissue and cause us to be at risk for auto immune diseases .. blessings for health
God did not put a immune system in you.
Provided everything went as planed along that whole embryo to baby stage , you inherited a hybrid of your parents immune systems.
The more dissimilar your parents MHC Genes where they greater likely hood of you inheriting a stronger immune system.
That was not gods idea, that is nature at her best, and her trick for making us attracted to people with dissimilar MHC genes is in our smells.
So I am curious?
Does that mean you can be reckless (not washing hands etc...) as your immune system is stronger than most peoples or are you still cautious? | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/23/2009 11:59:30 PM | who said the injection vs the inhalation where the same?
Injection is from a attenuated(dead, altered) virus. The inhalation is live.
Dont spread the drama. Maybe you should reference your argument, before you argue? Just a thought.
Where is the "rolling eyes " emoticom? | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/24/2009 12:40:53 AM |
who said the injection vs the inhalation where the same?
Injection is from a attenuated(dead, altered) virus. The inhalation is live.
Dont spread the drama. Maybe you should reference your argument, before you argue? Just a thought.
First off who said it was either??? Are you the type that wants people kept in the dark??? After all this is about a vaccination, shot no shot, snort it up the nose...
Apparently you didn't read the first section where OOOPSY they managed to send out live virus in injectable antiviral.... This hit 18 countries... So we don't get a rats behind about them do we, after all the US wasn't on that list... THAT IS THAT WE KNOW OF...
What you are really saying is don't spread any more information that people may have to think about and consider... Hmmm sad, guess ignorance IS bliss...
Not everybody wants to remain ignorant, nor do people need to be lied to about how the CDC, and FDA aren't funded by big pharma, as well as there are "jump betweens" from big pharma to the CDC, or FDA...
In fact to get real deep into the subject, of feeling sooooo protected, the Bush administration cut the FDA budget from 4 billion, to 2 billion... Which means they have been underbudgeted for a very long time now...
The FDA covers how many different areas???
It is a big joke to think that the FDA has clean hands, and don't have big pharma pushing to get these injections out to these people that NEED an injection...
Once again sunshine... We all should have freedom of choice, people want to take the shot, snort the vaccine, what ever and so be it... However it is a good idea to do it with FULL knowledge instead of being told horse shit it is all good it's safe...
We don't know, THEY don't know, there hasn't been a long enough testing period, and gosh wouldn't it be sad if things end up like they did in the 76 swine flu antivirus farce...
Yes by all means lets keep people ignorant, simply because it is better then a person making an educated choice... Your truths, are you own, I have done my research, and not just through secondary sources... I research primary sources, but posting those would be over peoples heads... So secondary sources that take out the hyberbole of scientific ligo is fine...
I see a lot of people spout off BS... Where's the sources for these beyond big pharma, CDC and FDA??? Give some independent research on the subject to be convincing as to your claims that people are just retards..
There ya go since you didn't seem to find it.... | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/24/2009 2:16:35 PM | There are a lot of dumb conspiracy theories going around with the grain of truth in them that yes, obviously it's in the pharmaceutical industries' interests to sell us vaccines.
However, not knowing how serious the epidemic was/is likely to be, governments had to do something - imagine the recriminations if it turns out worse then feared and they weren't prepared for it.
However, as a fit and healthy individual I won't be getting the jab - after all, it's just flu. I would say that if you're elderly or have underlying health issues it's probably a good idea to though. | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/25/2009 5:17:03 AM | | i not going to get it either.. i have never got any flu shots... i have never used any of that hand sanitizer ever.. i work in a very dirty envioment and a mechanic lots of dirt, mud, oil, fuels and other unknow stuff.. possible a little pee too... i just wash my hand befor lunch with a gritty soap.. i never get sick.. .. i think if you are not exposed to dirt and grems you will get sick... i have cut my hand a few times and work in dirt and grease and don't get a infection... why? cause i have a good immune system.. | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/25/2009 2:05:53 PM |
Autism has increased by 127 %, since 30 yrs ago... What has changed?
Has it really increased or is it just that it was grossly under-diagnosed 30 yrs ago?
I've thought about that, however autism isn't exactly something that is hard to miss as something wrong with a child. These kids don't make mile stones, aren't real interested in interacting with others, and have their own way of interacting with their world...
My husband has Aspergers. and it wasn't until I got to researching his behavior that a solid diagnosis came along... However he did live in Korea for his first 4 yrs, and then in Hawaii, which is extreme introvert behavior wasn't noticed by his abusive parents... Perhaps their could have been some really inastute parents in those days, but it seems like it would be something well documented.
KIDS are being labeled ADHD now days because they are a little active, and act like oh my gosh, KIDS... I see a lot of kids bouncing off the freaking wall, which I can't say I remember a lot of my primary school days, however I do remember there being kids that were MORE wound up than others.. Maybe one or two per class...
So are there more kids with ADHD, or to many kids in class, and teachers that are to tired to deal with the 5 or so ADHD kids, the 5 or so borderline kids, and then kids being normal. Thus they push for parents to put their kids on drugs worse than cocaine...
helpimstuck, LOL, I suppose unless some virus can survive in the gunk you deal with, perhaps you are immunized from the outside in... After all these injections contain some of the very things you are working on, minus the virus dead or not... | |
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