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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/26/2009 5:58:40 AM |
Here in Alberta it's reported that women are at higher risk and those women who have contracted it and are the sickest or who have died, the average age is 32 yrs old.
There have been a Total of 86 deaths in Canada that have been "Related" to H1N1. Of those the Vast Majority had compromised immune system and/or other health issues that were/are complicated by ANY virus, inc. the H1N1.
That said - How many people do you KNOW who have this flu? How many people do you KNOW who have actually died? Seriously = do you know Any?
and this -
Vaccinations, when tested before being administered, are *excellent* what?? you are kidding - right??! There is a world of controversy over vaccines - whether they actually do More Harm than good. Whole groups of people who have NOT been vaccinated are also Reported to NOT have members of their 'clan' with Autism - not to mention a myriad of other illnesses Are on the rise among the population that Does vaccinate.
IMO - pharmaceutical companies are Nothing more than Drug Dealers with a license.
CTV News reported this morning that 51% of Canadians polled said they will Not get this H1N1 vaccination. I am with those who will Absolutely NOT be "drinking the kool aide".
86 people have died in Canada with the note that their death is H1N1 "related". Do you know how many people have died in Canada as a result of "Diabetes Related" complications? How about CANCER? And what about Heart Attack .. stroke? Not to mention those killed by Drunk DRivers...
IMO - IF any of this latest Fear Mongering/push to Sell Sell Sell vaccinations had any basis in truth (ie: global pandemic) - Our Health - Then Why is our government Not doing more about those things that kill more people in a month in this country than this fabricated (fear) virus has in the last year??
I believe that WHO and Pharmacare have conspired to cause fear among us - Knowing that people who are Afraid are easy to control and that those who are most afraid will continue to make those at the top Rich.
Pharmacare is in it For the Money NOT for our health. | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/26/2009 10:05:06 AM | | I am not going to get myself vaccinated. IMHO the risks outweigh the potential gains. I prefer a less invasive treatment and recognize that if I do get the flu that my immune system will be healthier for it afterwards. | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/27/2009 8:54:02 AM | | There is quite a lot of information out there about damage done by adjuvants in the vaccine-ie MF59 (squalene) and Mercury Thimerosal (tho CDC has done their best to coverup its toxicity). This is why so many people are choosing not to get the shot. There are no long term safety and efficacy studies available on this vaccine-they don't exist. From what IS known, the vaccine material itself may or may not not pose the biggest threat-but the adjuvants are already known to cause harm. In my entire life, I have never seen the media put so much time and money into convincing me of anything. There are people who still trust that what they see on the news is the completely unbiased truth. | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/27/2009 11:00:54 AM | also, Bettie, you might want to know that tho the Amish DO have a very significantly lower incidence of autism, they are not a perfect population to make a point about vaccines, bc they do vaccinate their kids, though likely not as much. I am not invalidating the necessity of your points tho, or how important it is to get to the truth. Also, respectful hellos to you Nextthyme and Mona | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/27/2009 7:36:18 PM | | I just gave around 100 flu shots today and got one myself. Will post up if my arm rots off. Please excuse any typo's due to 1-handed typing in the future if such occurs. I have almost perfected that art, but still. | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/27/2009 7:43:09 PM | | hi... James, you have it wrong right from the part where you said that God did not give us our immune system.. and the part about not washing hands is immature at best... ~usually~ I think a lot of your posts even when I disagree with you but anymore I am just going to pass over them when they are directed at me... blessings | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/27/2009 7:46:30 PM | | Well, Monalee, where did our immune system come from? According to your belief system, there was nothing we would need an immune system for "in the beginning", so arguably, according to your belief system, satan is the reason for our immune system. However, God created lucifer, and so technically you could argue by your belief, that in a round-about way he indeed did. Just a thought. | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/27/2009 9:00:37 PM | Everyone who refuses to get the vaccine...its selfish. You will get the flu...pass it to up to a hundred people a day, and thank you for that! I wish you could see that when you dont get vaccinated, that you increase the risk to everyone else!!!
Please, stop being so anti scientific. Use reason, not empirical experience and opinion.
Again, every person who refuses vaccination increases the threat to others.... | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/27/2009 9:26:46 PM | hi... ^^^ you and your thinking are a threat to me.....
JW... young man I felt bad when I read that you took the flu shot because I see you as healthy and I know that over time flu shots will rid you of your health
...regardless of the time frame, God made us and all of our life systems ... childbirth was changed after sin, not by evolution or by satan... what was the purpose of the tree of life and why will there be another tree of life in Eternity??... blessings for health and Truth | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/27/2009 10:43:04 PM | ^We were discussing the immune system.
According to "your thinking", we and the world were perfect before sin entered and then things were changed. So, did God change them, or did Satan? Your doctrine clearly states that things like thorns and whatnot came about after sin entered the world, thus I will think you should agree the same is true of T4 cells, etc. Ergo...who created the immune system? You will say satan created thorns, but are T4 cells not the same thing? They protect their host. Just like thorns.
When you say something was "changed after sin", but then state it was: not an evolution, and not a change made by satan, you are saying the God responded to sin by creating these systems. Now you have placed God in the position of following Satan's lead. Interesting.
Further, I would state that we were NOT created perfect. Sin does not arise from nothing, just as nothing can come from nothing. You cannot divide by Zero (unless you are chuck norris), so for you to state that a perfect creature was beguiled, and then ANOTHER perfect creature CHOSE to go down the wrong path, these two are/were obviously flawed.
Please explain to me how a Flu shot will rid me of my health over time. If you can show me evidence of such that is peer-reviewed in a scientific journal of good rapport, I will re-think my health strategy. If you cannot, I cannot, in good conscience, give any weight to what you are saying. I deal with radicals, religious/political zealots, and all sorts of societal "outliers" every day. I forget who said it, but they said it best when they said "If you can't say it with numbers, you don't have anything worth saying."
Lets see those facts and figures! (reputable source only, please!)
Question.
Everything.
Everyone who refuses to get the vaccine...its selfish. You will get the flu...pass it to up to a hundred people a day, and thank you for that! I wish you could see that when you dont get vaccinated, that you increase the risk to everyone else!!!
Wierd, I have only gotten the flu once in my life, and I am not even sure it was the flu. I have had a total of 2 flu shots in my life. Today when I administerd the vaccine, more than one person confided in me that "I got the flu last time I got this shot, and it wasn't from the shot, happened a few weeks after. Shot didn't work".
The flu shot is a "guess" at what strain is out there. Nothing more. Sometimes it works, sometimes no, but in no way is not getting one some kind of damning decision. | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/27/2009 11:45:15 PM |
Everyone who refuses to get the vaccine...its selfish. You will get the flu...pass it to up to a hundred people a day, and thank you for that! I wish you could see that when you dont get vaccinated, that you increase the risk to everyone else!!!
I call bs on that...
First off not everyone that doesn't get a shot gets the flu... In fact I haven't had an actual flu since 1998, funny stuff, I happened to get the MUCH NEEDED flu that year. It was the ONLY year I had ever got a shot, and damn the flu I had was so freaking bad that I developed pneumonia on top of it...
Peacethx, perhaps you need to look up the medical data yourself, because some of us who have worked in the medical field (formerly, and raises her hand) know how to research the meds, and the big pharma companies...
I have been drug toxic, and near death because of a sudden drug reaction from high blood pressure med I had taken for five years..
NEXT, a nice number, (data unknown) of people develop a MILD case of flu after a shot, side affect they say... Which they are running around thinking they are safe from THE FLU, which there are MANY strains of at any time...
Perhaps YOU'D like to be forced to take what ever drug the big pharma sling at people, but since we live in a free country, we aren't required to, so thank gosh for that...
People spread disease by poor hygiene, NOT BECAUSE they didn't get a flu shot... They go to work because their idiot bosses demand they come in and NOT miss work. They don't wear masks when they are coughing and have what ever bacteria or virus at work. AS WELL they trust the fact that they got a flu shot thus they don't have a NEED to take care of their hygiene, and their germs being spread... (http://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/infectioncontrol/childcaresettings.htm)
AND you want the real big kick in the shorts, the flu season has been going now for over a month, and the flu shots won't arrive until next mo sometime, THAT IS if they happen to have enough...
There is a specific age group they point to for the shot, so people MY AGE, as well as over age 9 and up to a healthy as long as they are healthy and NOT pregnant are recommended to just keep a good hygiene...
SO THANKS, but the flu shot is NOT recommended for everyone... The site I brought this info from was directly from the CDC, so it isn't anecdotal, or anti science... Perhaps you may want to do your OWN science research before spreading drama????
Just saying...
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/28/2009 2:03:02 AM |
AND you want the real big kick in the shorts, the flu season has been going now for over a month, and the flu shots won't arrive until next mo sometime, THAT IS if they happen to have enough...
I just injected nearly 100 people today with the flu shot. | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/28/2009 2:22:02 AM | Yes JWG sweety you mentioned that... So you gave injections to 100 people, however up in the pacific NW people who are clammering for that precious dose of antivirus up here are rather SOL, and are told that it SHOULD be in by Nov 15 or so...
I have little doubt that there are benefits to some injections, and maybe for some people. However some of us are NOT tolerant to all the junk in them, and end up worse off before they got these shots, and or meds...
So what do we do?
We take care of our selves, and make sure that we clean our hands, don't touch door knobs to public bathrooms, or handles to the facet. We also take herbal alternatives so that we build our immune system, and then make it a point to keep the junk down, like crappy foods, fast foods, and things that the human body doesn't need...
As well we like to make it a point to educate our family and friends in how to keep healthy and to learn to build immunities when they come along... Could any of us die??? Sure, could a person die from getting an injection, or taking some pharma drug, or even over the counter?
It is stated that their are 128000 people that die from pharmaceutical mistakes, or reactions each year, if you need reference I can pull them up. That is per year, so if about 30 t0 40 thousand die from the flu, is there a study how many had taken the flu shots? Is there a study of their life style, and or where they lived?
I'd love to think Big pharma means well, however there are way to many law suits that don't get heard about, as well those that do... Why is this??? IS it because they are to quick to rush a drug to the public without thoroughly testing it to see if it is actually affective, and less harmful than what it is supposed to be fighting?
It states you are a student, and think that love happens once in a life time... Disease isn't like that, it really is something that takes on a life of its own, and with each supposed battle for an anti what ever, these viruses manage to mutate...
Funny thing people miss is that viruses just like all other living things doesn't really want to kill off its host, because it dies as well...
I take NO ISSUE with people who make the choice to get a shot, it is a personal choice. However it is also a personal choice to know my own system and KNOW that I react poorly to most drugs, and toxins, so for my own safety and desire to keep on living, I chose NOT to get the shot...
By the way, when I worked in the medical field, I made sure I wore a gown, mask and gloves especially when I had a cold... This was to protect MY patients and co workers from what ever ills I caught...
Maybe more people need to consider this... Just a thought | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/28/2009 5:35:58 PM | | yup Nextthyme, righto! It helps get some perspective paying attention to major European news sources about what is happening with the vaccine(s) as well. More and more Europeans are flat out refusing them, even tho, Louis Pasteur was, after all, a Frenchman, and many vax co's are also headquartered in Europe. Interesting development. If N. Americans get all of their news from tv, they are missing out on loads of info! | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/28/2009 8:17:39 PM | | hi... JW, I was 21 when I was pointed towards God and His Health Message .. since then until now, almost 48, I have questioned everything and I have come to the conclusion that God has it All Right... I have benefited from His Path in ways that you would have to experience to understand... if you were my son you would be drug free your entire life, like my 17 yr old is, fed on organic food, brought to the ocean and mountain 3 times a yr, placed in nature from birth and raised to give thanks to God and Jesus for every breath.. that would be your source from me... blessings | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/28/2009 8:27:51 PM | 1. The majority of flu shots contain 25 micrograms of mercury; an amount considered unsafe for anyone weighing less than 550 pounds! And which groups are most sensitive to the neurological damage that has been associated with mercury? Infants, children, and the elderly.
2. No studies have conclusively proven that flu shots prevent flu-related deaths among the elderly, yet this is one of the key groups to which they’re pushed.
3. If you get a flu shot, you can still get the flu (or flu-like symptoms). This is because it only protects against certain strains, and it’s anyone’s guess which flu viruses will be in your area.
4. There have been several examples in past years where government health officials have chosen the incorrect influenza strains for that year’s vaccine. In 2004, the National Vaccine Information Center described how CDC officials told everyone to line up for a flu shot that didn't even contain the influenza strain causing most of the flu that year.
Two-thirds of this year’s flu vaccines contain 25 micrograms of thimerosal. Thimerosal is 49 percent mercury by weight.
Each dose of these flu vaccines contains more than 250 times the Environmental Protection Agency’s safety limit for mercury.
In addition to mercury, flu vaccines also contain other toxic, hazardous ingredients:
* Formaldehyde -- a known cancer-causing agent
* Aluminum -- a neurotoxin that has been linked to Alzheimer’s disease
* Triton X-100 -- a detergent
* Phenol (carbolic acid)
* Ethylene glycol (antifreeze)
* Various antibiotics: neomycin, streptomycin, gentamicin – which can cause allergic reactions in some people
* A brand new study published in the October issue of the Archives of Pediatric & Adolescent Medicine found that vaccinating young children against the flu had no impact on flu-related hospitalizations or doctor visits during two recent flu seasons. The researchers concluded that "significant influenza vaccine effectiveness could not be demonstrated for any season, age, or setting" examined.
* A study published in the Lancet just two months ago found that influenza vaccination was NOT associated with a reduced risk of pneumonia in older people. This supports a study done five years ago, published in The New England Journal of Medicine.
* Research published in the American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine last month also confirms that there has been no decrease in deaths from influenza and pneumonia, despite the fact that vaccination coverage among the elderly has increased from 15 percent in 1980 to 65 percent now.
* Last year, researchers with the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and the National Institutes of Health published this conclusion in the Lancet Infectious Diseases: “We conclude that frailty selection bias and use of non-specific endpoints such as all-cause mortality have led cohort studies to greatly exaggerate vaccine benefits.”
* A large-scale, systematic review of 51 studies, published in the Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews in 2006, found no evidence that the flu vaccine is any more effective than a placebo in children. The studies involved 260,000 children, age 6 to 23 months. | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/28/2009 8:39:21 PM | Thank you very much for you informative and concise post... The thing I would like to add is that some Dr's think that some kids need 2 shots, which doubles the toxins...
There are further things that can enable the flu virus to be worse in some people, for example if a person takes a pump inhibitor, like prilosec it is known to drop the levels of acid and enzymes that battle viruses and or bacteria that get into the digestive system...
Great post, thanks | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/29/2009 7:42:27 AM |
Everyone who refuses to get the vaccine...its selfish. You will get the flu...pass it to up to a hundred people a day, and thank you for that! I wish you could see that when you dont get vaccinated, that you increase the risk to everyone else!!!
Please, stop being so anti scientific. Use reason, not empirical experience and opinion.
Again, every person who refuses vaccination increases the threat to others....
What?? How dare you! You have NO right to push your b.s. on anyone, You have No right to try to GUILT anyone into putting poison into their system! Geez ..
I would like to know just how the H3LL my not getting the vaccine is Any threat to those who do? .. Seriously - If you are so convinced that your vaccine will PREVENT you from getting this flu - how does my choosing Not to be ruled by Guilt or Fear put you at any risk at all??
If you believe the vaccine is for you .. and IF you honestly believe it will prevent you from getting the H1N1 flu - Why are you threatened by those of us who are not willing to be bullied, guilted or B.S.'d into supporting the pharmaceutical companies?
That's like me accusing You of giving me an STD because You won't use a condom!! Whatta bunch of crap.
No poison for me thank you. I've NEVER had a flu shot and Unlike some of my friends who Have - I don't get the flu. Funny what a little dirt will do For you.
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stop being so anti scientific ??? What?? are you on the crack? There IS plenty of scientific evidence linking vaccines to autism. There is Plenty of scientific evidence showing how dangerous mercury is to a human being. There is Plenty of Evidence (scientific, empirical, experiential and otherwise) that proves it is a fools errand to "Judge prior to Investigation". And on this vaccine - the Investigation hasn't even begun.
For those who have gone out and got this shot- I sincerely hope that there are no repercussions to you or your health today, tomorrow or in the future.
I have my own mind, I am capable of doing my own research, reading and investigating. I am also responsible for My Own Body - Not yours or anyone elses. You don't have to worry about me contaminating you .. You've had your shots!
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/29/2009 9:55:05 PM | | to the poster who's holding their 'herd immunity' card close to chest-several of us over in the sci/philosophy swine flu thread have posted links to medical journal articles and news stories citing medical journal articles and Doctors galore on relevant research in immunology, virology and about adjuvants from sources all over the world. I have a feeling you have already made up your mind and the parachute is closed, but, the info is there if it interests you at all. | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/29/2009 10:36:44 PM | Baked Sushi
Methinks thou doth protesteth too much. Forgive me for saying this, but it sounds like you dont quite believe what you are saying and have to SHOUT it out to convince yourself. | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/29/2009 10:52:25 PM | There is some evidence that getting enough vitamin D will help to prevent the flu, but mainly to minimize the complications from getting the flu that make the flu dangerous to some people, one of which is, for instance, pneumonia. Having the appropriate amount of vitamin D strengthens your immune system, apparently.
Many people are deficient in vitamin D. It couldn't hurt to get tested for your vitamin D blood level and then take the appropriate amount if you need it.
I was recently told my vitamin D level was low, even though I have gone bicycling for long trips several times per week all summer. So I am taking extra vitamin D now myself.
And I thought having my computer by the window would be enough...  | |
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| Flue shots are more dangerous than the flu itself!
Posted: 10/29/2009 11:47:54 PM | Wiyan, that is so true... I am on D supplements because I was deficient as well... Ohhh the price of temperate weather, and not having to water the lawn all that much...
If people get educated what they should and shouldn't do, then this will be like any other flu, it will run its course, and be yet another blip on the radar screen of virus verses man kind... Oh wait, I forgot the swine, and Asian birds too...
Wiyan, I am thinking that the big push for sun screen may be another cause of people having D deficiency, because I have chatted with people from sunny areas that have had low D levels as well...
Just a thought | |
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