| Race Baiting and Name Calling
Posted: 10/18/2009 8:58:51 PM | Two words: context matters.
OK, now several more words:
a racial slur is based on the speakers belief that they are in some way superior to the other person the racial slur is an attempt to demean the other person.
This also describes words such as "moron," "idiot," "prick," etc.
We've been at war for nearly nine years, our economy is crap and our people are losing their jobs faster than you can say "Obama Doesn't Seem To Be Saving Us".
Ah... you finally put a negative spin on the state of the union now that a democrat is at the helm. Color me unsurprised... (and for people who play fast and loose with definitions, no, that's not intended as a racial slur against myself or DA)
McCain showed his Birth Certificate because some questioned his birth place. I think last time I looked McCain is Caucasian.
And for McCain, any incredulity over his birthplace ended then and there. See the diff? | |
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| Race Baiting and Name Calling
Posted: 10/18/2009 9:53:43 PM |
McCain showed his Birth Certificate because some questioned his birth place. I think last time I looked McCain is Caucasian.
And Obama showed his. | |
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| Race Baiting and Name Calling
Posted: 10/19/2009 7:21:12 AM | | True..but Obama was elected. ...I am sure if McCain won there would still be those who argued against his eligibility to be President......Its kind of interesting though when you think about it both Candidates in the Last election had questions arise about their places of Birth.....trying to attribute people questioning Obamas place of birth to racism is just another example of Liberals playing the race card.... | |
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Posted: 10/19/2009 8:33:18 AM | Some Obama supporters: "Much of this opposition to the President involves racism."
Critics such as etourdi77: "Much of the reason Obama got elected is because of his race."
Etourdi, you don't even seem to realize how you tend to play the race card as well. This very thread even shows it. | |
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Posted: 10/19/2009 8:53:24 AM | | I guess you could look at it that way or you could just listen to the overwhelming number of Voters who said that they voted for him because he was Black or considered his race as a factor in making their voting decision...listening to them and conveying that is not playing the race card it is simply acknowledging what took place.When you attribute ALL criticism of Obama to racism that is playing the race card.... | |
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Posted: 10/19/2009 8:53:37 AM |
Its kind of interesting though when you think about it both Candidates in the Last election had questions arise about their places of Birth.....trying to attribute people questioning Obamas place of birth to racism is just another example of Liberals playing the race card....
It is interesting. One candidate immediately got out his long form birth certificate, while the other got out a short form that even Hawaiian officals have had diverse answers for.
Three candidates got out all their medical records( one had hundreds of pages), while the one candidate just showed a one page doctors letter.
But since some people would like equal transparency for all candidates this is racism. Strange. | |
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| Race Baiting and Name Calling
Posted: 10/19/2009 9:20:34 AM |
you could just listen to the overwhelming number of Voters who said that they voted for him because he was Black
Overwhelming? Hardly. I can otherwise concede that point with the caveat that you have selective hearing, as you ignore those who could not vote in a black "Muslim" candidate with an arab name.
Think of it this way: most of the people that voted for Obama most likely have voted for a good number of whites in elections past. How many of those who oppose Obama have voted for black politicians in the past? Mull over that thought for awhile. And do me a favor: try to take this at face value, and don't try to read into it things I am not saying. | |
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Posted: 10/19/2009 12:19:17 PM | It is interesting. One candidate immediately got out his long form birth certificate, while the other got out a short form that even Hawaiian officals have had diverse answers for.
Here is what Hawaiian officials said about Obamas birth certificate.
When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real.
"It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate," spokesman Janice Okubo told us.
This is from the Pulitzer prize winning site Politifact.com (I wonder how many Pulitzers World Net daily has won?)
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
Are you calling Janice Okubo a liar? Ok, maybe you would like to show me other Hawaiian state officials are saying since you say there is a diverse opinion. Or will you duck that as you duck all other requests for proof.
Three candidates got out all their medical records( one had hundreds of pages), while the one candidate just showed a one page doctors letter.
I don't know who you mean by three candidates but assuming Obama and McCain are two of them are you really surprised that one of them would have a medical record hundred of pages long? lets see, he is 72 years old, was shot down and injured, tortured for 5 years in a POW camp, had a bout of skin cancer plus all the normal things that happen as you age. Obama is a 47 year old in excellant condition and no health issues. I think a doctors letter should cover it.
I have said it before and I will say it again, the birther movement is steeped in racism. | |
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Posted: 10/19/2009 1:01:42 PM | There were two VP and two presidential candidates in the general election
Like I said 3 supplied medical records and one only supplied a one page letter during the general election.
During the general election and the primary the Obama team was quite adamant about the medical records of his opponents.
Hillary also supplied her records during the primary too as requested by the other democratic candidate in the primary.
I can't say with any certainty if any of the other republicans supplied their medical records during the Republican primary campaign or not.
Hmmm was that racist to only expect the information from the Caucasian candidates and not to expect it of the black candidate.
Interesting enough when one looks at what some call the birther movement there are a few blacks that are prominent in it, including a very out spoken black minister. I guess they are racist too.
However the post is not about ...it is the attachment of slurs, to someone just because they disagree with you or any particular party.
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| Race Baiting and Name Calling
Posted: 10/19/2009 1:09:56 PM |
Please explain how the birther movement is steeped in Racism?
How about this crazy lady.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V1nmn2zRMc&feature=player_embedded
How about this picture that makes the rounds.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_9ks36c549BI/SmiMZ6_qgII/AAAAAAAABAs/WjSLPbwNcn0/s1600-h/docpage-obamachieftain1.jpg
How about this writers take on it:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0709/58_of_GOP_not_suredont_beleive_Obama_born_in_US.html#comments
Surprise, surprise: Birther sentiment was strongest in the South and among the 60-plus crowd - presumably because seniors can't log on to the Internet and rely on rumor, word of mouth and right-wing talk radio.
I think this writer explained it best.
Interestingly, the birther movement can be traced back to the Obama campaign itself during the 2008 election. It’s a public relations effort gone bad. Apparently, a decision was made, in the spirit of transparency to release Obama’s birth certificate. Historically, presidential candidates have not released such information. Rather, it was presented during qualification of the candidate, but not made public. So, by releasing the birth certificate the Obama campaign opened a Pandora’s Box. Once it was made public, it meant it was open to intense scrutiny – most of it incorrect – that would be passed around the internet as fact and eventually make it’s way to less discerning minds, like Dobbs and Limbuagh, and those who listen to them.
At it’s root the birther movement is racism. It’s meant to create the impression that Obama is illegitimate, lower than a US citizen, not one of us. It’s meant to stoke the fires of suspicion and hatred towards immigrants and people of color. It’s not unlike the “Obama is a Muslim” meme. Same thing.
http://www.buzztwang.com/2009/07/the-birther-movement-is-racism/
You are not going to find examples of people screaming the N word. Racists are way beyond that now. But the fact of the matter is this. Obama is a black man with a funny middle name and he scares some people because he looks different than them. If he was white this never would have been an issue.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/16/10-most-offensive-tea-par_n_187554.html | |
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Posted: 10/19/2009 2:04:59 PM |
Interesting enough when one looks at what some call the birther movement there are a few blacks that are prominent in it, including a very out spoken black minister. I guess they are racist too.
I don't know how I missed this. Did you edit this in?
Doesn't matter. Are you referring to batshit crazy Alan Keyes?
Here is a commentary written by a conservative. Listen to him, pay attention to what he writes. He wants you to stop. You are hurting the cause.
As one of the GOP operatives whose job it was to defeat Barack Obama in a campaign for federal office (there have only been three GOP campaigns run against him, and I've been involved with two of them), I can attest to the fact that nowhere in our opposition research did we find any reason to believe that the man was not a natural born citizen of the United States.
I can also attest to the fact that this man -- who, at about 1:22 into this video, shot on February 20 of this year, lays out the Birther case against Obama -- never raised any doubts about Obama's alleged overseas birth while he was running against Obama for the United States Senate in Illinois in 2004.
Oh, Alan Keyes said all sorts of other nutty things while he was the GOP Senate nominee in 2004, the kinds of things that cause campaign operatives to go gray prematurely -- "Jesus Christ would not vote for my opponent," Second Daughter Mary Cheney was a "selfish hedonist," and other such bon mots -- but he never once challenged Obama's place of birth.
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/in_the_right/2009/07/keyes-and-the-birthers-buckley.html
When I read things like that, I am encouraged to discover that not all conservatives are totally loony tunes. But around these boards? That's another story. | |
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| Race Baiting and Name Calling
Posted: 10/19/2009 2:41:10 PM |
that not all conservatives are totally loony tunes. But around these boards? That's another story.
Very good example of the use of name slurs, Thank you for the example.
This is actually what this thread is supposed to be about, the ability to express one's opinion without the use of slurs and smears.
Why is it necessary to use slurs or insults just because someone or some group is different or believes differently than you and is not a threat to your own freedoms.
Our country was founded on the freedoms speech and differences. Our country's freedoms are about the ability to be different and think differently without people singling you out, as long as there are no threats to others. Its been a long battle to keep these freedoms and to make them available to all.
Slurs on others because they do not hold the predominate political or personal beliefs of others is not what our country and the constitution was based on. | |
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Posted: 10/19/2009 3:07:09 PM |
Very good example of the use of name slurs, Thank you for the example.
You are right, it was a slur. Not against all conservative posters but a good many of them, in fact around here a sizable majority. I have read some conservative posters that back up their arguments with facts and links. Most around here twist and turn words into meaning something totally false or out and out just make stuff up.
The birther movement is a prime example of making stuff up.
You want to debate real conservative values? How much government should there be? How much responsibility should we take for ourselves? How much control should we have on the marketplace? Stuff like that.
Instead we get non issues like did one African -American use a racial slur on another African-American. Lump this is with the Obama-cop issue as far as matters of importance go.
I am waiting for the right to somehow tie balloon boy to the president. | |
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Posted: 10/19/2009 3:14:11 PM | Juan an African- American did not appreciate the slur on him.
It does not matter what race you are. The use of slurs and insults against anybody, especially on nation TV is not the way to act or to settle an debate.
I have a feeling there would be other repercussions if Juan had used the same slur on anyone even another African American, especially on national TV.
Name calling and slurs of those different or those who think differently just might be why our nation is having so many problems with the youth today.
There was a time that this was unacceptable behavior even at home. | |
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Posted: 10/19/2009 3:28:55 PM | You are right, slurs and name calling are not the right way to settle debates. Using facts and backing up your arguments is.
I am sure you will only present things that are true now and always back up your statements. | |
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Posted: 10/19/2009 4:00:01 PM | The problem is that the concept of racism in the year 2009 is a lot of smoke and mirrors. It's ultimately a lot more about left and right than black and white.
Because the majority of black people are liberal, it is easy to subscribe to the illusion that all black people are the same. The problem is that they're not. And the ones that choose to be different get treated with a different set of rules.
If a black person aligns himself with conservatism, he is somehow seen as being "less black." The color of his skin might be the same as anyone on the opposing side, but it is now socially acceptable to make racial remarks at his expense. Because he is seen as a "race traitor" or "sellout." In other words, in order to be considered authentically black, he must do what all other blacks do. It's a lot like militant feminism. The activists fight for the right for women to choose whatever life they want as long as it's the same choice they make. If a woman chooses to be a wife and homemaker, she is considered in need of reprogramming.
Larry Elder, a black conservative who had a syndicated radio show in Los Angeles for many years, has been called "Uncle Tom," "Sugar Cane Negro," and numerous other things of that nature throughout his career by people on the left. Former Saturday Night Live comic turned liberal political activist Janeane Garofalo referred to Elder as a "House Negro."
White people who use derogatory racial terms toward black people in general are also treated differently depending on which side of the fence they fall.
We all know that Democratic senator Robert Byrd is a former member of the KKK. But this man also launched into a racial tirade on national television in 2001 using the n-word. No public outrage. No one called for his resignation.
Don Imus, a radio host that few people had even heard of, made a comment about the Rutgers women's basketball team being "nappy headed hoes" and it became front page news for weeks. He even appeared on Al Sharpton's show to make a formal apology only for Sharpton to refuse to accept it and demand that Imus resign. | |
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| Race Baiting and Name Calling
Posted: 10/19/2009 4:25:19 PM |
Why is it necessary to use slurs or insults just because someone or some group is different or believes differently than you and is not a threat to your own freedoms.
Are you referencing remarks like the one below? You can check it out in the thread titled "Obama's "Secret Agenda" to bring about Socialism"
you are all worthless beings sucking at the government tit. | |
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Posted: 10/19/2009 4:32:53 PM |
We all know that Democratic senator Robert Byrd is a former member of the KKK. But this man also launched into a racial tirade on national television in 2001 using the n-word. No public outrage. No one called for his resignation.
This is an example of what I mena by twisting words. There was no racial tirade. At least none that fits the common understanding of what a tirade is.
In this interview with Tony Snow several years ago I don't see a tirade. I see a tried old man talking and slipping up using a term from his youth. Robert Byrd uses the term White N------. He apologizes later in the video.
Watch it all. it is only 2 and a half minutes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FIBJt-c2o0 | |
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Posted: 10/19/2009 7:16:35 PM |
Are you referencing remarks like the one below? You can check it out in the thread titled "Obama's "Secret Agenda" to bring about Socialism
If one wants to reference threads there are many on this form and other similar forums. | |
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Posted: 10/19/2009 7:44:00 PM | Apparently racial slurs are OK if you disagree with the Democrat party line.
The hypocrisy is disturbing. I thought we were striving like Dr. King said to judge people on their content of their character.
The race baiting is deplorable. | |
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Posted: 10/19/2009 7:44:37 PM |
If one wants to reference threads there are many on this form and other similar forums.
I am referencing the one in quotes below that I found to be in particularly bad taste
you are all worthless beings sucking at the government tit.
I was suspended from the forums for less then the quote above
And then this response below instead of an apology
Wow Earl...way to avoid my question! You have nothing to say about the 40% tax hike so you bring up anopther thread topic? Your credibility just flew out the window...
Come on my warm and fuzzy lil buddie...answer the question I posed................... | |
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| Race Baiting and Name Calling
Posted: 10/19/2009 8:10:44 PM |
Why is it necessary to use slurs or insults just because someone or some group is different or believes differently than you and is not a threat to your own freedoms.
Our country was founded on the freedoms speech and differences. Our country's freedoms are about the ability to be different and think differently without people singling you out, as long as there are no threats to others. Its been a long battle to keep these freedoms and to make them available to all.
Please remember these words whenever you are posting about Obama and other liberal-minded people.
Apparently racial slurs are OK if you disagree with the Democrat party line.
You're a big man to admit it. Accepting responsibility for one's words and actions is a good first step, hope you can keep on that road. | |
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Posted: 10/19/2009 8:56:01 PM |
You're a big man to admit it. Accepting responsibility for one's words and actions is a good first step, hope you can keep on that road.
Allow me to clarify my poorly written sentence. I meant to say that SOME Dems aim racial slurs to those who oppose them politically as do Republicans. Racism is not acceptable period.
I feel very strongly that people need to judge others on their character and not on the color of their skin and that should apply to everyone no matter what their politics may be.
I am not against the policies of the Democrats because of the Presidents skin color. I disagreed with their policies when Bill Clinton was president. | |
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