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Posted: 10/20/2009 1:52:18 AM |
Much ado about nothing, imho!
I agree. I was thinking, a tempest in a teapot. But you don't really expect to see any NEWS on Faux, do you? This kind of stuff just keeps the pot boiling for them, keeps the outrage high, the ad revenues high, Rupert Murdoch, you know...
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| Race Baiting and Name Calling
Posted: 10/20/2009 6:20:06 AM |
I feel very strongly that people need to judge others on their character and not on the color of their skin and that should apply to everyone no matter what their politics may be.
This is so true. Yet many dont see it this way.
Why cannot one disagree without attaching a name to the person they are disagreeing with.
So what if Juan was defending someone many of us, including me don't really aggree with. There are times when even our worse of enemies has merited defense in their actions. Yet for some reason many people seem to think its ok due to where the guy works and who the person that slung the insult was.
Have our values sunk this low?? Is this what we want to teach our children?
If someone thinks differently or looks differently it is not merit for name calling or insults from anyone. | |
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Posted: 10/20/2009 7:33:23 AM | | Killene, I find it humorous that you have subtly backpedalled from your OP here. You originally were making this a racial bigotry issue, and unrightfully so. I expected to see a video where a liberal white made an honest to goodness racial slur against a nonwhite conservative. THAT would have drawn criticism from all sides, myself included, I'm sure. Obviously, that didn't happen. At worst, this was an "intra-racial slur." A racial slur is an insult against someone's race/ethnicity/people group. Now, you have "reduced the charge" to an insult, and you have taken the racist element out of it, and rightfully so. IMO, an insult is not nearly as bad as a racial slur, and your OP confused the two. And you still have not addressed my earnest questions in msg 7. | |
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Posted: 10/20/2009 11:22:28 AM | I expected to see a video where a liberal white made an honest to goodness racial slur against a nonwhite conservative.
Are you saying that racism only occurs when a Caucasian, makes a bigoted comment about a non white?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxLUI33rj0E&feature=related | |
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Posted: 10/20/2009 11:43:56 AM | Nope. What I am saying is what I said much earlier: context matters. I have even heard of some light-skinned blacks having an air of superiority over dark-skinned blacks, for what it's worth.
What I might also be saying is that various misdeeds have varying degrees of severity (also related to the larger context). Some are able to reasonably judge levels of severity; some understand context, and some are less nuanced in their judgments-- and, perhaps, more politically motivated. | |
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Posted: 10/20/2009 12:15:55 PM | | It is interesting that the OP is suggesting that there is widespread racial slurs against conservatives, and her evidence is a video where it is one guy doing so, against someone of the same race. | |
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Posted: 10/20/2009 3:55:15 PM |
It is interesting that the OP is suggesting that there is widespread racial slurs against conservatives, and her evidence is a video where it is one guy doing so, against someone of the same race.
Nope it happens on both sides, which is evident in many areas of our society.
The problem comes from those that seem to condone it, depending on which side you are from.
In just looking at this thread, some seem to feel that it was okaye that Juan was slurred for three previlent reasons.
One---Both were black men so so what.
Two- Juan works for Fox so so what.
Three - Juan was defending someone that many dont really don't think too highly of so so what.
None of those are valid reasons and have all been used in just this thread.
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Posted: 10/20/2009 4:21:20 PM | Below is a prime example of the tactics being used to try to discourage people from offering opposing views
you are all worthless beings sucking at the government tit. | |
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Posted: 10/20/2009 5:38:27 PM | | No one used the phrase "porch monkey"and I didn't see any racial slur in that youtube clip. That black man tells the black moderator to "get back on the porch". However, I'm not surprised that the rightwingers on this thread are distorting what was said. | |
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Posted: 10/20/2009 8:56:23 PM | Juan Williams the black moderator is the one who considered it a racial slur. I think his words were something to the effect of about being called an Uncle Tom or a House Boy... But what would he know he's just a black man. | |
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Posted: 10/20/2009 11:39:36 PM |
Nope it happens on both sides, which is evident in many areas of our society.
It proabably does but instead of the OP making a comment and providing examples of how it happens on both sides - it only provided a one sided argument.
Isn't that interesting?
For example how Faux News gives a platform for someone who called the President a racist and that he had a deep seated hatred for white people - even though the President's own mother was white. Or how Faux News made the false claim that the president was raised in a madrasa or how the president and his wife touching hands was a "terrorist fist bump".
Isn't that interesting?
I wonder why the OP didn't provide a balanced argument when there are plenty of examples?
I'd say it's more than interesting. I'd say it is absolutely fascinating.
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Posted: 10/21/2009 6:41:27 AM |
Killene, I find it humorous that you have subtly backpedalled from your OP here. You originally were making this a racial bigotry issue, and unrightfully so.
Read the title....its both....
Name calling or racial bigotry on any side is not right just because of differences in thought or appearances.
Actually I wondered about the term "back to the porch" for it brought back some not too good memmories from my Civil Rights days.
I remember two very similar terms being used back then which was quite offensive with many of the blacks....one being "porch -------" . Back then it was an offensive term and I think today it is still offensive. | |
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Posted: 10/21/2009 10:23:40 AM |
Name calling or racial bigotry on any side is not right just because of differences in thought or appearances.
Indeed so. Why then, in your original post, did you make it seem that it is mainly conservatives that are being insulted in such a manner? | |
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Posted: 10/23/2009 6:08:15 AM | For some that didn't see the orignal video or hear it here is the script from the Bill O'Reilly Show and here is the link for the video.
http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=GdSUSU2GqG
BILL O’REILLY: The reason that Limbaugh is not going to be able to buy into the NFL is because a bunch of made-up stuff became legend, and he got hammered.
WARREN BALLANTINE: OK, we won’t look at the made-up stuff. Let’s look at him playing “Barack The Magic Negro”, and we’re going to say that’s just funny, that’s just a joke, that’s not racial either. It is racial to real black people.
JUAN WILLIAMS: Hey Warren, you were saying my argument was a red herring. Maybe you should do some research, go back and find out that it was an article written by a black person, headlined “Barack The Magic Negro.”
BALLANTINE: He made it a song and played it on his show.
WILLIAMS: So what? He was making fun of it.
BALLANTINE: You can go back to the porch, Juan. You can go back. It’s OK.
O’REILLY: All right guys: good debate, good-spirited debate. | |
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Posted: 10/23/2009 7:06:51 AM | Is it extremely hypocritical to make a fuss about 'name calling' when one consistently calls the president a 'liar'.
Isn't that name-calling?
Or, is it acceptable to name-call when you 'think' you 'know' the truth?
Is it okay to imply things about another person--not outright name-calling, but posting in such a way as to always show that person in the most negative way?
Is it okay to mock someone?
For example, posting several one-liners:
The Dalai Lama complained, "The **stard won't even meet with me… and
I got my Peace Prize when he was still sitting at the knee of Reverend Jeremiah Wright!"
Is that okay? I mean, it isn't really calling the president a **stard, right?
I'm really glad that I didn't start this thread... | |
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Posted: 10/23/2009 7:55:32 AM |
Is it extremely hypocritical to make a fuss about 'name calling' when one consistently calls the president a 'liar'.
Isn't that name-calling?
I guess it's name calling....but sometimes the truth hurts.
The whole truth and nothing but the truth. | |
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Posted: 10/23/2009 8:28:47 AM |
It does not matter what race you are. The use of slurs and insults against anybody, especially on nation TV is not the way to act or to settle an debate.
It is very interesting that the OP would tell us that now, after the long campaign that she and her ideological partners carried on another thread defending Joe "the liar" Wilson who insulted the president on national TV. They didn't want to concede that Joe Wilson was an embarrassment to our country, excusing him because he was a hero who spoke what was in his mind. Laughable, all of it: the post quoted above and their defense of Joe Wilson.
Name calling and slurs of those different or those who think differently just might be why our nation is having so many problems with the youth today.
Yeah, that's right! Don't let them read your posts defending Joe "the liar" Wilson, otherwise they will learn from you that it is ok to do that, especially if the one being slurred, insulted or slammed is president Obama, right? | |
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Posted: 10/23/2009 9:25:32 AM | All of us are guilty of name calling at some point, but in many cases it is the bastion of last resort for those on the losing end of an argument....Calling someone something that you truly believe they are when it is supported by Facts is not in the same category as name calling born out of a desperate attempt to ridicule or disparage someone who has defeated you intellectually...
In regards to Joe Wilson he was not embarrassed and many other people were not embarrassed by his actions...If you and your cohorts are embarrassed that is a personal issue that you all need to deal with...you can not argue someone into feeling embarrassment,but you can embarrass yourself by continuing such a silly argument.... | |
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Posted: 10/23/2009 10:45:46 AM |
If you and your cohorts are embarrassed that is a personal issue that you all need to deal with...you can not argue someone into feeling embarrassment,but you can embarrass yourself by continuing such a silly argument....
How do you know what someone can do with someone else's feelings?, are you embarrassed to be talking for other people? You can express how you feel not how I feel, Because you consider someone else's argument "silly" does not make it "silly" | |
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Posted: 10/23/2009 11:39:00 AM |
The whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Based on the posts of yours that I have read I think that you wouldn't know the truth even if it hit on the face.
The president said to the Joint Session of Congress what he expected the bill to contain so that he could sign it into law. The president hasn't signed any bill yet, therefore there is no proof that what he said was a lie. The only fact that is known is what the president said to Congress in terms of what he wants to see in the final bill. That is the truth so far! The whole truth will be known when the president signs the piece of legislation for Health Care Reform. But then you will not be satisfied because you will be accusing the president of lying because some people will break the law, and the president won't be able to prevent it.
I would say that you are demanding a bit much from this president. No other president in history has been able to do it. That's the truth, but you can't handle it.
All that you want to do is say, without foundation, that the president lied. Gratuitous name calling. That's the truth also. | |
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Posted: 10/23/2009 12:13:18 PM |
All of us are guilty of name calling at some point, but in many cases it is the bastion of last resort for those on the losing end of an argument....Calling someone something that you truly believe they are when it is supported by Facts is not in the same category as name calling born out of a desperate attempt to ridicule or disparage someone who has defeated you intellectually...
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There is a difference between saying that what someone one is saying is not the truth or is a lie versus, attaching the word liar to the person.
For example saying
John Doe gave a speech that had many inconsistencies and untruths/ lies in it. --- This is saying that one has found some problems in what has been said.
or
Liar redneck John Doe gave a speech. --- this one is not only name calling but offensive.
What Joe Wilson said is "You Lie" not liar or even Obama is a liar. Wrong place and wrong time, but it appears he was right on some of what Obama was saying.
In many of Obama's speeches, including his speech on Sept 9, 2009 there have been many discrepancies with what is actually factual. In fact when Michelle and Obama were both out campaigning for Health Care they both told two totally different stories about the same medical incident with one of their daughters. Seems that one or the other had some discrepancies or untruths in their family story.
It is not wrong to point out or debate issues especially when there are discrepancies between fact and what is told. It is wrong to use offensive or insulting names. | |
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Posted: 10/23/2009 12:20:33 PM | Is it wrong to imply that someone is a liar?
Is a 'discrepancy' a 'lie'?
Seems that one or the other had some discrepancies or untruths in their family story.
And there is the fine line.
Was it a 'discrepancy' or a 'lie' ('untruth' is a clever way of saying 'lie')?
In many of Obama's speeches, including his speech on Sept 9, 2009 there have been many discrepancies with what is actually factual.
How is using 'discrepancies' different from saying 'Obama lied'?
The implication, and a certain poster has made many, is the same--isn't that the intent?
'I'm not really name-calling if I say this word, instead of that word.'
What a bullshit game. | |
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Posted: 10/23/2009 1:09:15 PM | ^^^^^^^ That's exactly right!
Especially if someone yells loudly "you lie" to the president, interrupting him while delivering a presentation to the Congress in front of the whole nation: that is name calling, and very disrespectful. He could have yell "that ain't the truth" and it would have had the same effect. The intent was to insult the president in front of the cameras: a well premeditated act, one that intended to undermine the office of the president, and show disrespect toward Barack Obama as a person. They can't accept that a person like him has won the right to be the president of the US, and they will not stop their name calling campaign to exact revenge against him for having defeated them squarely in a clean election.
Sore losers! | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 2:43:43 AM |
This is an example of what I mena by twisting words. There was no racial tirade. At least none that fits the common understanding of what a tirade is.
In this interview with Tony Snow several years ago I don't see a tirade. I see a tried old man talking and slipping up using a term from his youth. Robert Byrd uses the term White N------. He apologizes later in the video.
Watch it all. it is only 2 and a half minutes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FIBJt-c2o0
You're right. Tirade was a bit of an embellishment on my part. I apologize. But let me ask you something. If David Duke were to have given that same interview word for word including the subsequent apology, what do you think the public reaction would have been? | |
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