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 etourdi77

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Posted: 11/2/2009 4:51:20 AM

They can't accept that a person like him has won the right to be the president of the US, and they will not stop their name calling campaign to exact revenge against him for having defeated them squarely in a clean election.
You mean an extreme left leaning Liberal right? when you say a person like him....
 one eyed jacks

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Posted: 11/2/2009 7:56:53 AM

If David Duke were to have given that same interview word for word including the subsequent apology, what do you think the public reaction would have been?


I don't know what the public reaction would have been but the difference between the two is Robert Byrd renounced his racist past long ago while David Duke still holds those views.
 tranquilo123

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Posted: 11/2/2009 11:49:25 AM
You mean an extreme left leaning Liberal right? when you say a person like him....


No, I mean a self-made, well educated, successful American of African descent, who is a savvy, experienced politician. A man who is a scholar in constitutional law, and a man of peace.

If you think that president Obama is an "extreme left leaning Liberal" I would suggest that you start preparing yourself for a rude awakening. President Obama is hardly to the left of the centrist Democratic Party. He is not pushing a leftist agenda, but merely advancing the social reforms needed to keep our society from becoming more socially polarized due to the economic disparities that have been slowly destroying the middle classes since the 1970s.

If president Obama isn't able to achieve those reforms, I don't expect that the country will turn to the Republicans to help us to close the economic gap between the upper and lower classes, since most of us know that the Republican policies have been responsible for the accelerating economic divide. Most likely the country will turn to the left a little more than it did in 2008, then you will start seeing what the political left can do when the people support the true reforms that are necessary for our social progress.
 killene

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Posted: 11/2/2009 12:10:52 PM

But let me ask you something. If David Duke were to have given that same interview word for word including the subsequent apology, what do you think the public reaction would have been?

David Duke would have been creamed by every media source there is. He would have probably even been black balled from a lot of organizations.
 one eyed jacks

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Posted: 11/2/2009 12:24:11 PM

He would have probably even been black balled from a lot of organizations.


Yes a lot of organizations probably, except for the Republican Party.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke#1989:_Successful_run_in_special_election_for_Louisiana_House_seat
 etourdi77

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Posted: 11/2/2009 12:44:13 PM
The liberals accept a person who believes this...
"So-called Christianity, as commonly practiced in the United States, is actually the racist Antichrist. "Theologically," Cone affirms, "Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man 'the devil.'" The false Christianity of the white-devil oppressor must be replaced by an authentic Christianity fully identified with the poor and oppressed.[14]

These are the beliefs and words of one of the men responsible for the creation of "Black Liberation Theology" this is the Theology of the Church that Obama attended for over 20 years....
 Dasein2

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Posted: 11/2/2009 1:03:35 PM
^^^And Conservatives accept a man who said that god told him to invade Iraq. . .
 killene

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Posted: 11/2/2009 6:18:14 PM

Yes a lot of organizations probably, except for the Republican Party.


The question on the table was what would have happened if David Duke had a tirade like Snow, using the N____ word.
I have a feeling that if David Duke had slipped so low as to use the N____ word in a tirade like Snow had done that he probably would have been even blackballed from the Republican party.

Interesting the concept that has been going around...Snow is a tired old man, but when the tables seem to be turned it race card pulling time,
 geeleebee

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Posted: 11/2/2009 6:29:00 PM

The question on the table was what would have happened if David Duke had a tirade like Snow, using the N____ word.
I have a feeling that if David Duke had slipped so low as to use the N____ word in a tirade like Snow had done that he probably would have been even blackballed from the Republican party.


The question is moot.
No one knows what would have happened--you--in general--can speculate and surmise endlessly, but no one knows what would have happened.

It's an exercise in futility and not worth the energy.
 one eyed jacks

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Posted: 11/3/2009 7:07:38 AM

The question on the table was what would have happened if David Duke had a tirade like Snow, using the N____ word.
I have a feeling that if David Duke had slipped so low as to use the N____ word in a tirade like Snow had done that he probably would have been even blackballed from the Republican party.

Interesting the concept that has been going around...Snow is a tired old man, but when the tables seem to be turned it race card pulling time,



First off, I don't know who you are referring to here by the name of "Snow". But lets work with the premise that you had a slip up and are referring to Robert Byrd.

Second off, did you even watch the video? Even the original poster who in message 42 called it a tirade backed down and apologized for embellishing what was just a conversation and calling it a "tirade" in message 75.

Now when I see posters, basically defending David Duke, former head of the KKK, an avowed racist and holocaust denier, I wonder two things. Do they even know who David Duke is? And if they do, what does that say about them?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke
 killene

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Posted: 11/3/2009 7:14:46 AM
First off, I don't know who you are referring to here by the name of "Snow". But lets work with the premise that you had a slip up and are referring to Robert Byrd.


Please refer back to post # 75 which showed this quote and citing. Its only one page back.
The article used in post 75 ^^^In this interview with Tony Snow several years ago I don't see a tirade. I see a tried old man talking and slipping up using a term from his youth. Robert Byrd uses the term White N------. He apologizes later in the video.
Watch it all. it is only 2 and a half minutes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FIBJt-c2o0^^^^
What the poster said in #75 ^^^^^ You're right. Tirade was a bit of an embellishment on my part. I apologize. But let me ask you something. If David Duke were to have given that same interview word for word including the subsequent apology, what do you think the public reaction would have been?^^^

So I forgot the word interview, in saying snow interview. But my answer to the question stands.
David Duke probably would have been creamed if he had used the N_____ word in any fashion.
 one eyed jacks

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Posted: 11/3/2009 7:28:43 AM

David Duke probably would have been creamed if he had used the N_____ word in any fashion.



And again I ask you, did you even watch the interview and why the heck are you standing up for David Duke?
 killene

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Posted: 11/3/2009 8:48:35 AM

And again I ask you, did you even watch the interview and why the heck are you standing up for David Duke?


The comment was posed that the reaaction would be Very different if David Duke said the words than when Byrd said them. After looking up who David Duke was and a bit of history, I made my comment.

From what I did readabout him, I decided I did not like David Duke's beliefs, infact I would say that due to what I read I would never ever vote for him.

I will, however, stand up for a person if they were or are being demeaned unjustly.

I do believe that if Duke had used the same words as Byrd had and has used in the past, he would be creamated in the media, no matter what type of apology was given. I too would probably be one of the people sternly questioning the use of those words and examining his apology as to the feelings behind them, just as I questioned Byrd's outburst and apology.


I do belive that it is becoming quite one sided lately as to what certain politicians can say and then be excused for.
 one eyed jacks

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Posted: 11/3/2009 9:11:50 AM
The comment was posed that the reaaction would be Very different if David Duke said the words than when Byrd said them. After looking up who David Duke was and a bit of history, I made my comment.


Again I don't believe you have even watched the video. Context is everything.

The poster who originally brought it up called it a racial tirade. I found the event he was referring to and called him on it for exaggeration. He agreed it was an exaggeration and then for some reason brought up the strawman arguement about David Duke.


I will, however, stand up for a person if they were or are being demeaned unjustly.


That is exactly what I was doing. Someone had demeaned Robert Byrd unjustly and I called him out on it.

David Duke is an avowed racist, he doesn't deny it. He is a white supremacist and anti Semite.

Robert Byrd is a 90 year old man who had a racist past which he denounced and apologized for years ago. People do change and forgiveness should be in order for them.
 tranquilo123

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Posted: 11/3/2009 9:43:07 AM

I do believe that if Duke had used the same words as Byrd had and has used in the past, he would be creamated in the media,


There is no IF and/or BUT about David Duke.
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Posted: 11/5/2009 5:57:44 PM

The question is moot.
No one knows what would have happened--you--in general--can speculate and surmise endlessly, but no one knows what would have happened.

It's an exercise in futility and not worth the energy.


It's not mere speculation if there is a noticeable social trend that seems to repeat itself. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

I noticed nobody seemed upset about the Janeane Garofalo comment. Interesting.
 killene

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Posted: 11/5/2009 6:08:20 PM

I noticed nobody seemed upset about the Janeane Garofalo comment.

Seems that somehow Janeane Garofalo's comment did not slipped under some people's wires. I did not even know about it until it was mentioned in msg 91.

Talk about a big load of Race Baiting and Name Calling .....Ouch

Kind of interesting that she did not and has not received some type of negative publicity of some sort.



Interesting. In April 2009, Garofalo drew criticism when she denounced the Tea Party protests by disparaging the participants, saying:

"Let's be very honest about what this is about. This is not about bashing Democrats. It's not about taxes. They have no idea what the Boston Tea Party was about. They don't know their history at all. It's about hating a black man in the White House. That is racism straight up. This is nothing but a bunch of teabagging rednecks."[12]

In response to the controversy Garofalo has continued to criticize Tea Party protesters, and has been reported to open her shows with "If there's any tea baggers here, welcome, and as always, white power." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janeane_Garofalo [13]
 one eyed jacks

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Posted: 11/5/2009 7:23:48 PM

I noticed nobody seemed upset about the Janeane Garofalo comment.


Get a life, maybe it's because shes a comedian. You don't like what she says? Don't go to her shows.


"Let's be very honest about what this is about. This is not about bashing Democrats. It's not about taxes. They have no idea what the Boston Tea Party was about. They don't know their history at all. It's about hating a black man in the White House. That is racism straight up. This is nothing but a bunch of teabagging rednecks."


I can't even figure out why she was criticized for this. Hey it's true you know.
 killene

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Posted: 11/6/2009 6:41:55 AM

I can't even figure out why she was criticized for this. Hey it's true you know.


Hey it wasn't the coolest of statements, but then that means she gets only the type of audience she wants.

If it had come from a politican it probably would not have been left under the wire; Republican or Democratic politician.
 geeleebee

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Posted: 11/6/2009 8:11:31 PM

"Let's be very honest about what this is about. This is not about bashing Democrats. It's not about taxes. They have no idea what the Boston Tea Party was about. They don't know their history at all. It's about hating a black man in the White House. That is racism straight up. This is nothing but a bunch of teabagging rednecks."


I'm related to some people who wholeheartedly lay claim to being a 'teabagging redneck'.

Thankfully, Christmas comes, but once a year...
 etourdi77

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Posted: 11/7/2009 8:19:34 AM
I think its great that Liberals show their true colors on these forums and in the real world...People praising someone for calling others "Tea Bagging rednecks"....Nice....I have noticed a trend on these forums more often than not the self ascribed Libs tend to initiate more personal attacks and make more disparaging statements about individual posters...
Do you people realize what "Tea Bagging" means?Seriously you think its ok for people to refer to concerned citizens as Tea baggers?
NO matter how many times Obama supporters tell the Lie it still doesn't change the fact that most people don't care about Obmas skin color they dislike him because of his political agenda and beliefs.....
 killene

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Posted: 11/7/2009 8:34:08 AM
Msg 96 said ^^^^Do you people realize what "Tea Bagging" means? Seriously you think its ok for people to refer to concerned citizens as Tea baggers? ^^^^



Hey I was trying to be nice in my comment about Garofalo. Garofalo's comment was actually not the best when applied to even your worst enemy. I bet it is most certainly not a comment I bet she uses to refer to her family or friends, even in her jokes.

Like I said Garofalo is obviously not going to get a certain crowd at her shows due to her use of certain words.

If anyone else is having a problem with why the word was not the greatest.
^^^ “Look it up in your Funk and Wagnall’s.^^^^^As Rowan and Martin Used to say.
 geeleebee

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Posted: 11/7/2009 9:13:20 AM

I think its great that Liberals show their true colors on these forums and in the real world...People praising someone for calling others "Tea Bagging rednecks"....Nice....I have noticed a trend on these forums more often than not the self ascribed Libs tend to initiate more personal attacks and make more disparaging statements about individual posters...
Do you people realize what "Tea Bagging" means?Seriously you think its ok for people to refer to concerned citizens as Tea baggers?
NO matter how many times Obama supporters tell the Lie it still doesn't change the fact that most people don't care about Obmas skin color they dislike him because of his political agenda and beliefs.....


Who is 'praising' anyone for calling someone a 'teabagging Redneck'?
And--yes--we're very familiar with the term 'teabagging' and its meaning.

There are a couple of trends on the fora on both sides of issues.

I'd love to see the research behind this statement:

...Libs tend to initiate more personal attacks and make more disparaging statements about individual posters...
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