| would you date a guy who doesn't believe in education-content with his job
Posted: 10/21/2009 5:58:23 AM | | Listen, I really respect people who go to college because that means they had a goal in life to do it. It doesnt mean that they are going to be successful though! I am in IT and I can tell you that I make more money than most people with a 4 year degree. I decided not to go to school because I can learn by studying, on job training, or just job experience period. I can tell you that if I went to school for 4 years I wouldn't learn a whole lot.(for my field that is). So obtained the same if not more knowledge than a college graduate. | |
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| would you date a guy who doesn't believe in education-content with his job
Posted: 10/21/2009 6:37:20 AM | | What an offensive topic. I'm so glad to know that because I don't have a university degree and I'm not a millionaire that I'm a worthless human being. Looking for love based on somebody's pocketbook is pretty pathetic and shows a serious lack of character in my opinion. Formal education has nothing to do with intelligence or personal depth. | |
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| would you date a guy who doesn't believe in education-content with his job
Posted: 10/21/2009 11:37:47 AM | I think I'll answer your question in two parts OP.
a) Education IS important. I work as a teacher-librarian and I hold four degrees and additional qualifications. If I met up with a guy who didn't see the value in what I do, what I've accomplished, and what I believe in - we wouldn't be a match.
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b) The wonderful fellow I'm currently dating never completed college. I'm very happy dating him because he is very intelligent and good at what he does. He respects my work and I respect his. | |
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| would you date a guy who doesn't believe in education-content with his job
Posted: 10/21/2009 11:42:56 AM | My problem is with people who only look at the end result and not the path to getting there.
When I was living in SoCal, I met alot of "actors" whose goals was not to act, but to get on a red carpet and become famous. They couldn't give a crap about learning their craft or suffering by working in local productions. None of these people made it anywhere, and in my opinion, none of them deserved to. | |
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| would you date a guy who doesn't believe in education-content with his job
Posted: 10/22/2009 8:02:04 PM | | Why does it matter? I have met some really intelligent undereducated people and some really dense highly educated people. It is all subjective. And why would one care if the person is worth millions or pennies Seems petty yo me. There are some great poor people out there and some full of themselves rich people.. Again it is all subjective. | |
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| would you date a guy who doesn't believe in education-content with his job
Posted: 10/22/2009 8:15:06 PM | Would I date him?
No. I DO believe in education so we wouldn't be compatible.
It's nice that he "thinks he can make millions and millions" and can "make it rich by owning his own company" but in order to accomplish that goal, can he write a business plan, project his P&L, create a marketing plan, do business accounting, do break-even analysis to determine if his business idea can even make any money, do a cash-flow analysis, choose a business/tax structure, understand and comply with all laws related to his business, obtain liability insurance .... (etc.)
If he can't begin to manage all that, his "make it rich by owning his own company" idea is just hot air and he's not someone I'd take seriously. I can't imagine anyone making "millions and millions" as a window washer.
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| would you date a guy who doesn't believe in education-content with his job
Posted: 10/22/2009 8:27:30 PM | Well, I never got a degree and I had a very rewarding career... which has allowed me to retire comfortably at age 54... with full medical insurance I might add.
To me, if a man (or woman) is satisfied in his career and is able to earn enough to live on, that is the definition of success. Sounds to me that your buddy fits this description nicely.
It would be a different story, in my opinion, if he was unemployed and sat home all day collecting welfare. | |
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| would you date a guy who doesn't believe in education-content with his job
Posted: 10/22/2009 9:55:06 PM | I think it's sad that education has been reduce to a means of getting a job or making money instead of being valued as a means of expanding oneself in terms of knowledege , skills and perspective.
Honestly I had the same mentality as the guy the OP described until I went back to school this year. At first the motivation was to get a degree to be considered for other positions with my employer but when I got into some of my coursework I realized I was gaining something more important and valuable than just a degree or any future income.
Education is important to me and it has to be important to the person I date in the long run. | |
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| would you date a guy who doesn't believe in education-content with his job
Posted: 10/22/2009 11:23:19 PM | [Quote]Your asking of this question is also making a statement.
YOU have a normal judgementalism DISapproval of what he is doing.
Dont date him.. DONT view him as a "project" that you can "fix".
Go date guys that have the AMBITION you want.
Picture your life 10 years from now.. and he is STILL there.
Oh.. He is in a sooner-to-die field of work than not. She should realize that connecting with him will bring sorrow SOONER than later
I agree with 1kindman4u. I believe you have to take everyone 'as they are' and not as a project. If you can accept them it's great, but if you want to change, anyone, then you'll always be a little upset they aren't living their lives the way you want them to be. As for me, I am currently getting my bachelor's degree. In a perfect world, I'd like a man who is striving for similar things, but I realize that I should take everyone as a person, not as a statistic, so really it's a case-by-case basis. I agree with some of the other posters that there are all different types of intelligence and I, too, have seen people slip by and recieved a degree that was on the coattails of other people as well. Everyone should be on a case-by-case basis. In this situation, if you accept it, you do, and if you don't, don't waste either of your time. Situations like this always make me realize that I may not be thrilled about someone if I'm making this one piece of information, whatever that piece is, the basis of all my concern about being with this person. If it's all I can think about, there is something I'm not admitting to myself because if I were really interested in having a future with this person, it wouldn't bother me. | |
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| would you date a guy who doesn't believe in education-content with his job
Posted: 10/23/2009 1:15:59 AM | It seems to me everyone is judging the "success" or application of education almost entirely on the financial scale of things. This just goes to shows how utterly obsessed with finance our society has become.
In times gone, education was almost completely isolated from the economic sphere of the world (higher education). Other than the fees for teaching (which were not even always pushed upon students, it depended upon how the university was kept up financially, ie who was behind it) there were no additional costs. Although the university itself had financial need, the actuals of what they were teaching people (subjects, knowledge) had nothing to with their internal finances nor the wider economic world directly. Granted, University was less "approachable" to people on a wider scale, you only went to university if you really wanted to go. Now, because it is a buisness, state encouragement tells you most people "should" go, because "it will benefit you!". Despite people having known for a long time there are people who want to go, and will get a benefit out of university, and there are those who do not, because they do not need it as it offers them no benefit.
Shock horror, you went somewhere educational, to learn something! Not as some status quo assumption to get a "better" job eventually. If you wanted to do that you did an apprenticeship. Doing away with those (in the UK at least) was a crap idea in my opinion.
A person coming out of university and not instantly making a 6 figure salary is no indication of how successful the education was whatsoever (unless they were taking a course in how to make a 6 figure salary when you leave university). How much they learned, and they choose to impress this information into their life, is. This might show itself as a financial acumen, it may not.
Secondarily, let's say if I were looking to employ a guy/gal and i had two candidates. Uni kid and kid who has grafted from an early age. Despite holding personal beliefs that higher education is valuable, I would probabley hire the grafter (if his experience would relate to my buisness). Then again, if the uni kid's course happened to be a buisness model that was close to my own buisness, i would re-consider. The point is I would take the guy/gal who from an early age had shown financial immersion as their criterion for success. We associate higher education with financial success but that is not entirely accurate, and if it is, it's a very recent and in my opinion, sad development.
Financial heights and materialism is only one way to happiness. There are plenty of others. I would like to think the "wider human goal" if such a thing exists is to live a life we somewhat enjoy, and help other's enjoy. It is "assumed" you need a massive financial success streak to do this, but not true. A person who majored in a non-economic course such as philosophy may go on to write books and hold lectures/conferences which generate a very modest income but give them hours of enjoyment engaging with a subject they are interested in with people who also are. There's nothing wrong with that.
I would rather take a higher education course to learn about something I am genuinely interested in and passionate about than something I may not enjoy because it will earn my a killer salary. I did in fact. If I had wanted lots of money I could have taken any number of computing degrees, in the UK at the moment for every 1 non-IT based vacancy there are about 5 IT ones, and the salary also always makes the non-computing job's pale in comparison. This isn't what I went to university for. I went to first and foremost learn, and secondarily, if I do happen to get job prospects, that's great but not the main factor. I have work experience is several other areas as well as my degree that i'd rather rely upon for reference for work rather than solely my papers.
Now, to actually answer the question, despite me personally thinking that higher education can be a good thing (despite "education" becoming a buisness being quite possibly the one of the worst things ever) I try to take a person at a wholesome elvel. Rather, I try and see what have they taken from their life (be it with or without higher education) in my mind you can dissolve the people into the catergories (rather simplistically) of those who take the best they can from whatever they do and strive on, or those who try to get from others the best they can from whatever they do, and struggle on. One shows me a person has wisdom and intellect, one shows me a person a rather one-dimensional mentality. | |
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| would you date a guy who doesn't believe in education-content with his job
Posted: 10/23/2009 7:12:56 AM | "It's nice that he "thinks he can make millions and millions" and can "make it rich by owning his own company" but in order to accomplish that goal, can he write a business plan, project his P&L, create a marketing plan, do business accounting, do break-even analysis to determine if his business idea can even make any money, do a cash-flow analysis, choose a business/tax structure, understand and comply with all laws related to his business, obtain liability insurance .... (etc.)
If he can't begin to manage all that, his "make it rich by owning his own company" idea is just hot air and he's not someone I'd take seriously. I can't imagine anyone making "millions and millions" as a window washer."
You don't need an formal education for that. I did several of those things at 16 when I applied for a small loan at a bank from checking out books from the library. For the other things, you hire people like Accountants and Lawyers to take care of that. | |
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Posted: 10/23/2009 10:18:15 AM | One of my personal heroes in my life was a city bus driver.
When I was in college, I couldn't afford a car so I took the bus everywhere and would often strike up conversations with the drivers. One in particular was a fellow who constantly had a smile on his face. He didn't make a lot of money. I don't think he had a college education. He wasn't even particularly bright, though not at all stupid, either.
But he was doing what he had dreamed his whole life of doing. He didn't care that being a bus driver doesn't impart a great deal of status on a person. He didn't care that he would never be rich. He had everything in life that he truly wanted.
Who can argue with a guy like that? | |
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Posted: 10/23/2009 11:52:35 AM | Well, you really do not need an education to get rich in your chosen field, i have gotten the basic education and i have used computers since i was like 9-10 years old and now i am nearly 28, so i know quite alot about them, but i am sure there are things i can still learn, but i honestly didn't like school when i was young and that has stuck with me through to adulthood and i do not want to go back to college.
Also, a friend of mine stuck with school, college for quite awhile and now he is finding it hard to get anything since he is very qualified for alot of stuff, but sadly, he is either too qualified to get a job or not experienced enough, sad, but true.
I think experience is far more important then qualifications anyday. | |
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| would you date a guy who doesn't believe in education-content with his job
Posted: 10/24/2009 7:36:43 AM |
But he was doing what he had dreamed his whole life of doing.
I think that's the key, right there..
I am a truck driver. Since I was a kid, I wanted to become one.
Now, when I sit behind a wheel, and get to go to some beautiful places, I am happy.
I am local now, but before I did long haul. Still I go to Taos, Angel Fire, Chama, Pagosa Springs, even been to Las Vegas NV three times with this company.
Far from rich, but still make pretty good money, pay my bills, take care of my daughter, and still have some left for fun. The bottom line is, I am going to work happy.
Those guy behind a desk, with there diploma hanging fro the wall, don't mean to be disrespectful, but they told me some really stupid stuff about how I should do my job.
I wouldn't go far in "Are you smarter than a 5th grader?", but when it comes to life experience, I would score high. | |
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Posted: 10/24/2009 11:44:09 AM | I know a person who goes on and on about how she is getting a masters degree, and will automatically make big bucks (false) because of it. She's getting a piece of paper, but is she educated? No, because she cheats her way through. Her only reason for going to University is because she thinks a degree will automatically give her a six figure income, and she thinks it makes her more intelligent and superior to people who don't have a piece of paper.
Did I mention she's cheating her way through?
I know plenty of others, usually poli-sci majors, who work as customer service reps, real estate and insurance agents, because they don't have the drive or intelligence to get into the careers they originally wanted.
I'll take a guy who went to a two year trade or technical school any day. Most of them, in my experience, have good paying, high demand jobs. Jobs they enjoy, I might add. | |
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| would you date a guy who doesn't believe in education-content with his job
Posted: 10/24/2009 12:53:02 PM | Can someone get a great job without education? Yes.
Can someone make millions without an education? Yes.
Does an education quarantee those things? No
Is it as likely for those without as those with? No.
Becoming filthy rich is generally a matter of chance/luck.
Becoming rich is usually a matter of hard work.
Does the guy sound a bit delusional? Yes. | |
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| would you date a guy who doesn't believe in education-content with his job
Posted: 10/24/2009 1:05:22 PM | Hey
Personally I think a education is good if and when a educated person can be employed in the area of studies of interest - even if its a techinical degree or a PHD -
Many people aren't book worms to pursue a formal education- yet make good money in a technical trade field - many are self taught-
Although I believe in some form of education I also feel "ON THE JOB" be it formal or self training with experiences bring forth the best in a person if they willing to wait and apply and give time to their field of interest!!
Examples are- a plumber -electrician - and other techinical fields.
I have seen many -many person both male and female over educated - under employed outside of their desired fields of study -- just to have a JOB!
I have experienced the following-
A--- Associate degree opens the door with back bone work
BS -Degree opens the door with less backbone work
MS- degree offers you a chance of working with your brain
PHD/MD - degrees are specialized fields degree- that offers one knowledge to preform needed services --
In conclusion a person that gives a honest days work regardless of the degree of education - that pays one bills is to be admired and respected!!
Sometimes education is a trade off - !!
Like the Plumber needs the DR services --and vice versa -both are knowlegeable in their own field- each needs each other-??----Who is the best here??
IT's THE PERSON THAT COUNTS--- FROM HIS OR HER HEART!! | |
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