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Posted: 10/19/2009 9:07:58 AM | I don't even know what metal is.
When I'm training I like to listen to bands like Pantera and Rage Against The Machine. Is that metal?
Also isn't there now nu metal which to me just sounds like pop music with powerchords. | |
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| Apart from metal
Posted: 10/19/2009 9:11:05 AM | Good post OP.
It annoys me too plus it makes me laugh when people claim to have a diverse taste in music when they only listen to pop & RnB for example.
I listen to thrash metal, indie rock, techno, rap-core, dance, industrial, goth, electronic, d&b, 70s rock, 80s & 90s pop, ambient, IDM, house, psy, folk etc... I don't care about trends, what is in or not... music/sounds is what ever soothes or excites my mind old or new. I could be moshing to Slayer then dancing to Girls Aloud then tripping to Boards of Canada the next.
Some people become all elitist about lyrical content (or lack of)... Zzzzzz. | |
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| Apart from metal
Posted: 10/19/2009 9:12:27 AM | I honestly don't believe Heavy Metal is definable by any one band in particular.
It's more when you start getting into the sub genres like Thrash, Death, Metal Core, Nu Metal that certain things separate these from other bands and I personally don't really like using the sub genre terms too much as I simply go by the rule, if it rocks hard, then I like it regardless and tend to call all the metal bands I listen to simply as heavy metal regardless of silly sub genres.
So to steer this more back on topic, I think it's fair to say that people who say they don't like heavy metal more often than not don't know what it actually is, possibly?
I don't even know what metal is.
When I'm training I like to listen to bands like Pantera and Rage Against The Machine. Is that metal?
Also isn't there now nu metal which to me just sounds like pop music with powerchords.
Pantera and RATM are both great bands and can both be termed as heavy metal for sure.
Nu Metal however was the sub genre given to any new band coming out in the late 90's/early00's more often mixing up metal with hip hop like Linking Park, Korn and Limp Bizkit. | |
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| Apart from metal
Posted: 10/19/2009 9:18:22 AM |
It annoys me too plus it makes me laugh when people claim to have a diverse taste in music when they only listen to pop & RnB for example.
Yeah or when they say they like a wide range of music from "The Killers to Bloc Party". It kind of says it all really. | |
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| Apart from metal
Posted: 10/19/2009 9:24:38 AM | my guess would be yes, they've all heard slipknot and decided metal is bad mm'kay...
iron maiden, if anyone is to take a listen, i advise you to listen to the brave new world album, sheer quality, heavier in some parts, but dream of mirrors is a quality song and isnt too heavy, and theirs no screaming down a microphone.
Thin Lizzie can be classed as old skool rock, but i know of a few who would describe it as metal, i wouldn't agree tbh, but songs like "don't believe a word", "jailbreak" and ofcourse "the boys are back in town", sheer genious, classic.
Metalica :- "nothing else matters", theirs nothing heavy about this track at all, a very soulful song, and should do a better job of changing your mood better than christina agulwhattas "beautiful" song, gabbler. "The unforgiven" and even that track from mission impossible "i dissapear" still good tunes.
Lenny Kravits :- Yes.. some people will describe this gentleman as metal, but i believe he is just plain rock, and quite ballady too. probably better known for "fly away" and "are you gonna go my way"
Korn :- are not bad, despite the name, "freak on a leash", definatly grows on you.
Dragonforce:- ahh... where to start... apart from utube and "through the fire and the flames", nuff said...
my minds mush atm, if i can think of more metal, i'l raid my collection..
that said, it shares my collection with genesis, elton john, Kings of leon, Seal, lighthouse family... man i listen to a lot of rubbish haw haw
oh don't forget that emo crap like bullet for my vallentine and funeral for a friend :D that stuff grates my nerves | |
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| Apart from metal
Posted: 10/19/2009 9:26:03 AM |
Yeah or when they say they like a wide range of music from "The Killers to Bloc Party". It kind of says it all really.
I was once called a chavvy techno bod because I said Bloc Party is crap.  | |
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| Apart from metal
Posted: 10/19/2009 9:34:44 AM | Well this is my challenge to the nay sayers who reckon that metal is just pointless noise with no discernible vocals and no melody and only gives off negative vibes.
Listen to these songs all the way through and get back to me. lol
First is "All That Remains" with "This Calling"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcfLkrDXdn8
Second is one of my favourite tracks ever and possibly one of the most epic and beautiful songs ever which is "Strapping Young Lad" with "Almost Again"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heAqgpexOUE
And last but not least, my personal ultimate favourite, "Chimaira" with "Destroy and Dominate"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-wA4zKqP7k | |
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| Apart from metal
Posted: 10/19/2009 9:48:20 AM | | depends what you call metal..i call metal maiden,ac/dc,motorhead etc.my mate at work is into screaming stuff which i think is total bollox.i listen to metal rock punk indie etc ive got on my profile if you dont like this we wont get on.cos trust me darling im not listening to shit like westlife.trust me!! | |
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Posted: 10/19/2009 9:57:38 AM | | I read an article a while ago (somewhere!), where a `panel` of music journalists/dj`s etc, nominated what they considered to the `first` heavy metal` hit song..the answer may surprise you!..The Kinks-You Really Got Me! | |
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| Apart from metal
Posted: 10/19/2009 10:01:06 AM |
There is however for me (bearing in mind I have said I like Metal and in fact have seen far many more metal bands in my time than just Iron Maiden) a 'type' of metal fan which I don't like..those who think that people are somehow 'lesser' for not liking metal.
OP your words in a post on page one were that you needed a 'higher state of comprehension' to appreciate this kind of music (or words to that effect)?
One thing, having known an awful lot of metal fans (and many other types of music fans in my time too) is that 'some' can come accross as seeing themselves as superior to all other music fans and also trying to shove what they like down everyone else's throats. That....is something that would definitely put me off dating one as for the most part metal fans who I know and have known will usually refuse to listen to any other kind of music as they are not open minded enough to give it a go.
No, I know exactly the kind of elitist type of metal heads you mean and despite my previous statements, I am not one of them.
My comments about needing a higher state of comprehension to enjoy metal were in direct relation to the fact that in western music there is a discernible set of of finite chords, melody's and rhythms and scales which an average listener will digest with no problems at all.
Metal however very rarely falls within these boundaries of what could almost be deemed as "easy listening" and don't get me wrong, Jazz and classical music also fall out of these simplistic boundaries that over time western civilisation has subconsciously come to see as being acceptable and this is why it puzzles me even more that Metal is always the genre singled out as being the one people don't like and the fact that Jazz and Classical could possibly be seen as the secondary genres that people single out for not liking would be proof in my point. | |
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Posted: 10/19/2009 10:17:36 AM | | most of the time people say anything but heavy metal..but they would say they like guns n roses.def leppard.aerosmith etc..some people would class these as rock bands.but leppard were one of the nwobhm bands.maybe they like them but to be seen as saying they do is a no no.anyway im just sticking on a bit of bullet for my valentine.is it metal rock.who knows but they kick ass.. | |
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| Apart from metal
Posted: 10/19/2009 2:55:50 PM | | I always used to think that metal wasn't for me, I was much more into the indie scene, but I've taken the time to listen to different metal bands and some of them are really good - I'd rank Opeth as one of my favourite bands now. Now, there's some metal stuff that I just don't 'get' and wouldn't want to listen to, but it's worth opening your mind and giving different stuff a go, you may be surprised at what you end up liking ! | |
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| Apart from metal
Posted: 10/20/2009 12:52:42 AM | I love all kinds of music, with the exception of RnB, Motown, and Jazz.,but do favour Rock.
To me you just cant beat music with a loud guitar and attitude.
Ive even just picked up an X Box 360 game called Brutal Legend, which is an RTS, based on the whole image of Rock, but doesnt take itself too seriously, great music, great game. | |
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| Apart from metal
Posted: 10/20/2009 2:40:47 AM |
I read an article a while ago (somewhere!), where a `panel` of music journalists/dj`s etc, nominated what they considered to the `first` heavy metal` hit song..the answer may surprise you!..The Kinks-You Really Got Me!
Wasn't the term first used to describe the sound of The Byrds?
As far as the OP goes, I can fully understand why people have a negative view of metal. Some of it is truly awful, and I suspect that it was the intention of the writer/performer to be thus described!
However, some of it is truly awesome! There is a power in metal that somehow seems so 'honest' and refreshing....even uplifting. I have nothing against Westlife and Take That, and some of their tracks are quite wonderful, but metal gives me more than any other genre on a consistent and emotional level.
Over the years, I've found that metal-heads are generally 'open' and 'broad' in their personality and tastes other than musical ones. Probably because metal contains many strands of other genres, I don't know....
Metallica have been mentioned a few times, and they are a perfect example of what some metal bands can achieve. For one thing, they aren't afraid to try new angles and styles. I can't imagine Westlife ever using powerchords, yet Metallica use string effects and acoustic guitars. Second, Metallica are inventive - they aren't just three-chord thrash-merchants. Some of their stuff is almost orchestral, there is so much going on.
They also have a sense of humour.....
And can they play their instruments? Jeez, some of the stuff is so dextrous, I could weep in frustration!
When the acoustics come in at the the end of The Unforgiven.......four chords that just make me melt..... | |
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| Apart from metal
Posted: 10/20/2009 3:26:47 AM | The Opening Poster is complaining that often he sees the phrase "I am into all kinds of music...apart from heavy metal". It is also used to say that they are in to all sorts apart from Rap, Country, Punk etc. etc.
Whenever I see this phrase I do tend to give the profile a wide berth (as it happens I am now not looking at profiles, or messaging anyone, but the comments contained in this post are based on past experiences).
If they are in to all music apart from Metal / Country / Rap, etc. does that mean that they love the screech Opera of Diamanda Galas, the 'noises' of Karlheinz Stockhausen or the 'silences' of John Cage?
I don't particularly like the 'power ballads' or 'big hair rock' of the likes of Bon Jon Bovi (yes I know it is spelt wrong), but I love some Metallica and a lot of Motorhead. So to dismiss a whole musical genre, and implicate that you like every single other type of music shows a narrow minded viewpoint.
One of the great things about the John Peel show, for me anyway, was that one minute you would hear a song you loved from say a punk band, the next minute you would hear a lovely reggae track and then you would hear a song that was bloody awful from some clog dancers from Hull.
I can't stand a lot of Rap, but to dismiss the whole genre would deny me the opportunity of hearing the wonderful A Tribe Called Quest, Big Daddy Kane or NWA. | |
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| Apart from metal
Posted: 10/20/2009 5:14:59 AM | Indeed. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks it's extremely close minded to be dismissing a whole genre in favour of every other genre of music.
Some of their stuff is almost orchestral, there is so much going on.
And let's not forget the fact that they recorded a whole live album of their music with the San Francisco Symphony Orchestra with the orchestra being arranged and conducted by the late great Michael Kamen ( who was by no coincidence responsible for the string parts on "Nothing Else Matters").
Sadly however I don't think the fact that lots of metal could be described as orchestral is really going to help change the view of the uninitiated as because I previously described, Classical music is often quite inaccessible to your every day mainstream chart follower.
The Opening Poster is complaining that often he sees the phrase "I am into all kinds of music...apart from heavy metal". It is also used to say that they are in to all sorts apart from Rap, Country, Punk etc. etc.
Yeah and I never denied that people say they are not into other kinds of music too but my point was that its metal that gets singled out way more than other genres. | |
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| Apart from metal
Posted: 10/20/2009 5:32:37 AM | | So OP - could you date someone whose tastes were for manufactured and remanufactured pop or 'middle of the road' - the stuff where any widdly guitar solos or 'nasty' loud bits and all the passion have been taken out - "Elevator" type music ? | |
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| Apart from metal
Posted: 10/20/2009 6:59:17 AM |
So OP - could you date someone whose tastes were for manufactured and remanufactured pop or 'middle of the road' - the stuff where any widdly guitar solos or 'nasty' loud bits and all the passion have been taken out - "Elevator" type music ?
It says on my profile that prospective females are "Preferably into the same kind of music as me but if not then you are at as least tolerable of my music taste as I will be of yours."
It's very much a give and take thing and if it so happened that I happened to click with a girl in many ways but she happened to have completely polar opposite music tastes to myself, then I wouldn't rule out dating her in the slightest.
However the chances of that happening are fairly slim so the calculated risks involved in that are fairly slim in any case. | |
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| Why is it that apparently any type of music is deemed as acceptable apart from metal
Posted: 10/20/2009 9:46:42 AM | Why is it that apparently any type of music is deemed as acceptable apart from metal
What I don't quite understand is, why?
Maybe it's because a lot of it isn't actually 'music'?...
Everyone has their likes and dislikes, music which has a strong identity divides opinions strongly so people will be more vociferous about whether they like it or not, rather than just "I can take it or leave it".
Anyway, the topic is complete wrong - Country & Western and Jazz are also unacceptable
(Currently listening to Karma & Effect).
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| Why is it that apparently any type of music is deemed as acceptable apart from metal
Posted: 10/20/2009 1:05:41 PM |
Maybe it's because a lot of it isn't actually 'music'?...
Would you care to suggest any examples with such a controversial statement?
I mean it's only fair that if you are willing to put a comment like that out there that you let people know exactly what you are talking about.
However just because someone doesn't like a certain kind of music, doesn't stop it being music.
Anything with a definable rhythm is fundamentally classified as music so I think you might need to re evaluate your comment on this one. | |
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| Why is it that apparently any type of music is deemed as acceptable apart from metal
Posted: 10/20/2009 1:50:24 PM | I wouldn't honestly say that I dislike any genre of music, rather it's that my tolerance level for how long I can actually listen to it varies immensely.
<div class="quote">'Dumpys Rusty Nuts' (you probably never heard of them)
I saw them at Leicester, supporting Hawkwind, I think...
When I look back at the bands I've seen live, they are definitely more in the rock/metal spectrum. I've seen some pretty thrashy stuff (and had a fab time (although I avoid the mosh pit - too old and brittle for all those shenanigans)) as a result of seeing whoever was headlining when I went to see One Minute Silence. I think I saw Slipknot, can't be sure.
Then again, I've also seen the Spice Girls. Pretty wide and diverse I think.
Green Day at Sheffield on Monday. 
EDIT: Whoopsie! Better answer the OPs question! I think that metal isn't seen as particularly 'girlie' and therefore perhaps not the best hook to use on a dating site.
Just my theory. | |
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| Why is it that apparently any type of music is deemed as acceptable apart from metal
Posted: 10/20/2009 2:11:15 PM |
as a result of seeing whoever was headlining when I went to see One Minute Silence. I think I saw Slipknot, can't be sure.
Yeah, that would have more than likely been a slipknot show that OMS supported at.
I think that metal isn't seen as particularly 'girlie' and therefore perhaps not the best hook to use on a dating site.
Just my theory.
So girls should hide the fact they are into metal in order to come across as more girlie? Or am I reading that wrong? | |
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| Why is it that apparently any type of music is deemed as acceptable apart from metal
Posted: 10/20/2009 11:09:02 PM |
I think that metal isn't seen as particularly 'girlie' and therefore perhaps not the best hook to use on a dating site.
Just my theory. So girls should hide the fact they are into metal in order to come across as more girlie? Or am I reading that wrong?
No, you're reading it right, sadly. There are a lot of girls who will hide their own likes and dislikes in order to secure a 'good' boyfriend. Once together they will like whatever their boyfriend like, 'Chameleon Girlfriends.'
Add to that, this is a dating site, people don't want to be appealing to a niche market from first viewing! | |
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| Why is it that apparently any type of music is deemed as acceptable apart from metal
Posted: 10/21/2009 2:52:54 AM |
No, you're reading it right, sadly. There are a lot of girls who will hide their own likes and dislikes in order to secure a 'good' boyfriend. Once together they will like whatever their boyfriend like, 'Chameleon Girlfriends.'
Add to that, this is a dating site, people don't want to be appealing to a niche market from first viewing!
Well if thats the case then I am glad I will never meet those girls as I don't want to be with someone who hides what they are really into simply increase their chances of attracting a mate. In fact the whole thing doesnt make any sense to me at all and seems very backwards.
I think it's probably quite redundant and has been discussed before but really the only way people are going to find long lasting suitable partners is if they are honest from the get go.
If they can't do that then they are taking what they can get and essentially settling for second best.
Again, I don't want to be with a girl who was with me because she was taking what she could get.
I'm interested that being into Metal could be seen as being a niche though. | |
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