| Apart From Metal.
Posted: 11/5/2009 6:51:10 AM | | didnt even cross my mind to say anything about music, its personal choice have been to enough really heavy rocks in my younger day to know its good music. but then I like lady gaga as well very mixed | |
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| Apart From Metal.
Posted: 11/5/2009 8:18:04 AM |
Nowhere did anyone state that everyone had to enjoy metal. We are well aware that people have different tastes in music (subjectivitiy / emotion). The point me, the OP and a few other posters were trying to get across is the lack of objectivity concerning the genre. i.e:
"It's $hit"
"It's not music"
"Sounds like people hitting things randomly"
"Talentless"
All of which reek of a basic misunderstanding of the music on a logical (objective) basis. Yes, music can be judged objectively, just as art, film e.t.c can. My argument concerns the disconnect between the "objective appreciation" of metal (mentioned previously) based on ones subjective dislike (personal taste) of the music.
To sum up: one should still be able to appreciate a genre of music on an objective level, dispite their own personal tastes. Similarly, I do not enjoy listening to rap music, but I can appreciate the talent that goes into creating some of the lyrics and skill required to recite them at speed.
I will never say "it is not music" simply because I do not personally enjoy it. And yes, before you say it, some bands can be truly terrible on an objective level - I just felt it neccesary to state this before anyone negated my entire argument based on this point. Bingo
I think it's funny how close minded some are and they don't even realize how immature it makes THEM look. I've played guitar as a a hobby since 1993. I have a good idea of judging talent etc on a purely objective level regardless if I care for the "sound" of something or not. Unfortunately to many lay people they have no distinction, they just go by the "sound" and have little to no actual tools to judge something. If they don't like the sound then something 'is crap, sucks' etc. In other words they are unqualified to judge objectively and only subjectively.
Some metal bands can wipe the floor with many popular bands as far as talent & skill goes but you don't hear me putting down pop music because I enjoy it as well. I don't pick apart the latest pop song because it's technically "easy" to play/derivative whatever. Music does not consist solely of good & bad and anything you don't like = bad. That's just childish & simplistic & wrong. | |
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| Apart From Metal.
Posted: 11/5/2009 8:41:51 AM |
why is it so hard to accept that nobody apart from metal-heads likes metal ..... and nobody other than another metal-head is going to be attracted to a metal-head
Because these statements are quite simply not true. There are even examples in this very thread where people have said while they are not heavy metal fans, there are still a few select tracks by certain bands that they really enjoy and appreciate....
I think it's time for you to bow out of this thread man, as mentioned earlier, you don't really seem to have a grasp of the topic at hand and your attempts to wind people up and in general insult people (which is against forum rules remember) is becoming quite tiresome.
On Topic, I have really enjoyed reading the majority of replies in response to this thread and I'm going to take some time to read it over again when I get a chance. | |
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| Apart From Metal.
Posted: 11/5/2009 8:42:36 AM |
Nowhere did anyone state that everyone had to enjoy metal. We are well aware that people have different tastes in music (subjectivitiy / emotion). The point me, the OP and a few other posters were trying to get across is the lack of objectivity concerning the genre. i.e:
"It's $hit"
"It's not music"
"Sounds like people hitting things randomly"
"Talentless"
How can you claim we are lacking objectivity, my reasoning for not liking metal, is down to when I have heard it I have not enjoyed it, as previously stated it has no emotion for me, much in the same way Girls Aloud,Boyzone and the ilk does nothing for me. I have made a choice based on my preferences and taste, which is objective because I dont just listen too one genre of music.
To pre-suppose that you understand where my objectivity lies you would have to know me, not just generlise that all people no nothing about metal therefore cant make an informed opinion.
I dont like cheap cheese that does not mean I dislike all cheese. | |
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| Apart From Metal.
Posted: 11/5/2009 8:56:04 AM | Whoa whoa whoa lets just back up a bit to message 102. Air guitaring isnt cool? What the fcuk is that all about? Does this mean I have been making a tit of myself? No I cant believe it. I learnt the fingering to "Rockin all over the world" just so I could do this. And I bought a stone washed denim jacket too. And as for my hair, you dont think I grew it this long for nothing! It was to bang along with my pretend guitar. I feel a fool now  | |
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| Apart From Metal.
Posted: 11/5/2009 9:11:01 AM | the topic at hand being why people state that they like any music but heavy metal ... which seems to be the most disliked music .. they could put anything but rap or country or robbie williams ... but you wanted to know why people single out metal more than any other type of music .... it's because they don't want to date a metal head for all the reasons mentioned .... bad music, air guitars, head banging, dodgy tee shirts and awful tattoos ...
and yes .... air guitaring rockin all over the world isn't cool .... although status quo may well be due for their retro cool period soon .. what goes around comes around down down deeper and down so you may well be able to dig out your denim jacket, stick your thumbs in your belt loops and do the elbows out and dippy down dance at the office christmas party .... or was that mudd .... i can't remember ... | |
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| Apart From Metal.
Posted: 11/5/2009 9:13:10 AM |
Air guitaring isnt cool?
No its cooler than cool ,its ice cold !
Watching you air guitar, I'd pay to see that. | |
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| Apart From Metal.
Posted: 11/5/2009 9:22:28 AM |
Provide the comment where I claimed that it isn't, and we'll discuss...
You quoted this
I will never say "it is not music" simply because I do not personally enjoy it.
and replied with this
God, I do! Yes, a track might technically be 'music', but that's like claiming a pile of bricks to be 'art'. Some people even consider 'silence' to be 'music'..
They said they would never say it wasn't music - you said you would say it wasn't music and likened it to claiming bricks were art, which, by intimation means it's not.
A subject for another thread maybe, sorry for the detour people.
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| Apart From Metal.
Posted: 11/5/2009 9:32:19 AM |
my reasoning for not liking metal, is down to when I have heard it I have not enjoyed it, as previously stated it has no emotion for me, much in the same way Girls Aloud,Boyzone and the ilk does nothing for me.
Have a listen to this track and let me know if there's no emotion in those lyrics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxXT7ViQTU8
I don't claim to be a "metal head" but I do LOVE music (of most genres), it never ceases to amaze me how closedminded some people can be with regards to "metal"! A fair few folk some time back quoted Johny Cash's version of Hurt as a great track, how many realise that it was originally recorded by Nine Inch Nails (who are commonly regarded as "metal")? Who, among us are talented enough to write music as beautiful as Unforgiven by Metallica? (I especially like Apocalyptica's version)
Open your minds people! | |
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| Apart From Metal.
Posted: 11/5/2009 9:33:10 AM |
the topic at hand being why people state that they like any music but heavy metal ... which seems to be the most disliked music ..
Is it? I think reading the profiles that Jazz and C&W come much higher up the hate list... but maybe that's the age group of me and my potential dates... we grew up with heavy rock and have grown up with the growth of metal.... whereas the C&W of our youth was 95% synthetic cheese and jazz was liked by our school teachers and men with halitosis and strange beards - in general.
Personally if a woman likes NiN or heavier I'd be inclined to chat her up (are NiN metal?) whereas I would steer a wide berth of a Daniel O'donnel fan. So maybe there's a generational thing going on too? | |
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| Apart From Metal.
Posted: 11/5/2009 9:54:10 AM |
They said they would never say it wasn't music - you said you would say it wasn't music and likened it to claiming bricks were art, which, by intimation means it's not.
Close, but no cigar!
I admit that there are times that I say that the track being played isn't 'music', but I did also state that such tracks are technically 'music' - you quoted those very words. So, I accepted that my comment 'that isn't music' is technically incorrect, as even the worst songs/tracks have a musical aspect, unless there is silence involved.
The extension towards 'art' referred to the 'technical' bit, and not to the 'that isn't music' comment, which was in a different sentence. I did not state, therefore, 'that isn't art'. I also used the term 'like' as in 'similar to' - I did not state that it was 'identical' to.
Take it to pm, if you wish.
the topic at hand being why people state that they like any music but heavy metal ... which seems to be the most disliked music ..
Nah, it's jazz and country.....then Phil Collins! | |
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| Apart From Metal.
Posted: 11/5/2009 1:03:35 PM | Do i look like i like metal?
no?
then you'd be surprised as most of my collection is METAL
Try TYR a great band from the Faroe islands.
Atargatis...what a great voice.
Leaves eyes are awesome
within temptation....if her voice does'nt move you you are already dead
Maiden are brill esp Dance of the dead and the nomad
Wake up all you wishy washy sadoes | |
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| Apart From Metal.
Posted: 11/5/2009 3:58:08 PM | I command all non metal heads to purchase 1 song from Amazon/I tunes etc. I recommend the band "At the Gates" song "under a serpent sun" If that main riff doesn't get stuck in your head you might not be human..... | |
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| Apart From Metal.
Posted: 11/5/2009 4:07:34 PM | | It's music, eh? We are allowed to like all different sort of music. Music is great, nearly all of it! | |
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| Apart From Metal.
Posted: 11/5/2009 4:08:31 PM | I am not personally a fan of metal. I spent much of my younger days being surrounded by amateur bands who played this particular genre. I personally find it hard to relate to lyrics and many songs I have heard are depressing, take a band like Stained.
I prefer much lighter and fun music for example I love most songs with a real latin feel so anything with spanish guitar things like that. I am also a fan of Jazz and classical music along with reggae, bashment, dancehall and R'n'B.
I do not think my musical tastes are closed minded or not objective. I simply listen to music I enjoy depending on my mood and situation. :) | |
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| Why is it that apparently any type of music is deemed as acceptable apart from metal
Posted: 11/6/2009 2:05:27 AM |
As a metal fan it becomes extremely frustrating when reading the phrase "I am into all kinds of music...apart from heavy metal". It's crazy just how many people appear to share this sentiment.
What I don't quite understand is, why? Most people have a fairly broad taste in music, but nobody likes everything, so it kind of makes sense to note the exception rather than say "likes all kinds of music". Because you are particularly into one kind of music, any mention of it will stand out to you. You might not notice so readily all the profiles that say everything except opera, or everything except jazz, or by far the most common caveat, everything except rap. | |
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| Apart From Metal.
Posted: 11/6/2009 2:37:48 AM |
the topic at hand being why people state that they like any music but heavy metal ... which seems to be the most disliked music
Those were the thoughts on the face value of it, however over the course of this thread the theory has been established that most people who claim to not like metal, don't actually know what it is or heard one terrible metal song by one terrible metal band and think that it's all the same.
it's because they don't want to date a metal head for all the reasons mentioned .... bad music, air guitars, head banging, dodgy tee shirts and awful tattoos ...
Again with the close minded comments. You really need to stop talking for everyone and posting your own opinions like they are facts.
And I'll remind you right here, right now, Bad Music, Air Guitars, Dodgy clothes and awful tattoos are NOT exclusive to metal so you need to find a new argument in that respect...... | |
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| Apart From Metal.
Posted: 11/6/2009 3:06:43 AM | yep iv got a awful tattoo,and dodgy clothes....and i like barry white..so that theory is blown out of the water....
when you get to my age,you have lived through so many genarations,of music,you sort of like every thing...
in the 70s ..david bowie..deep purple
80s....whitesnake,and all the stadium rock(kiss, rainbow,ac/dc,plus all the other poddle hair do`s..and skin thight pants.
90s well i sort of when back to ...classic soul..sam cooke,james brown,etc..
now with me own kids..one likes dizzie rascel..and jay z.....
and the other is into....lets just say...some of it i don`t mind..
middle of the road me....if im in that kinda mood......blue oyster cult..boston..BTO..rush...and oasis...(you cringin yet octo)ha ha.
but i cannot stand..screamo....and barkin down a mic.....no no no. | |
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| Apart From Metal.
Posted: 11/6/2009 12:36:26 PM | | well am off to a motown night the beginning of the month and cant wait, | |
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| Apart From Metal.
Posted: 11/6/2009 4:36:05 PM |
if a man likes a bit of led zeppelin or black sabbath on the quiet then that would probably be deemed acceptable, if not exactly optimum, by most right minded chicks, but i think if you are going to walk around in winkle pickers, dirty jeans and a wasp t shirt, particularly if you are a brummie, then i would have to advise you that this would be an inadvisable combination for any man hoping for sexual success.. because everyone knows that pure heavy metal (as opposed to classic hard rock) is only listened to by men who want to have sex with their own hand indefinitely, and furthermore are likely to be entrenched in social venom of the most virulent variety. and before anyone starts trying to convince me that slipknot's latest album is a belter, or that system of a down aren't (despite appearances) a bunch of noisy arab's who got caught in the blast radius of an improvised roadside black t shirt incendiary device, i want to make it clear that whatever the merits of heavy metal may be, letting it be known that you are a fan of this type of thing is a just going to advertise the fact that you still live at your mums place and have never had sex to any prospective sexual partner, because its a well known fact that listening to heavy metal will severely curtail your social and sexual ambitions as women, all women, think it's sad. lulz.
Let me clarify some things: #1 there are many different kinds of metal. Some of it is liked by women as well. You are correct that some of it is extremely off putting to the female species (not happy & bubbley for ex) and if that's the case play it when she's not around. But anyway it TOTALLY depends on the band/type of metal like I said some genres are popular with females while some are too frightening/aggressive for them. But funnily the lady I used to kinda be with was into thrash metal. She loved Slayer....
No generalizing please....and the jam of today is "hordes of chaos" by Kreator | |
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| Apart From Metal.
Posted: 11/6/2009 6:15:47 PM | It could be worse OP, they could have said 'I like all sorts of music, anything that sounds good!' which I've read far too many times on here. Maybe I should send them some links to Impaled Nazarene, Gorguts, Brighter Death Now and DI6.
The chances are that if somebody is ready to dismiss a massive genre of music when they've not really heard any of it then they're not the right person for you anyway. Same with people who think it's noise and has no technical aspects. Admittedly OP, and dont take this the wrong way, you do seem to fit the 'typical Metal fan' stereotype 100% which doesnt help people like me. Nevermind..!
Good posts by Rarebird76 and the Strapping Young Lad22 person on here, although I wouldnt have chosen 'Under a Serpent Sun'.
Another problem that I dont think has been mentioned is that a lot of the percieved 'Metal' that is heard by people is of the lowest common denominator. I'm not saying that popular = bad, but nowadays most of the recent+decent Metal releases have a lot of depth and arent suited to being on adverts or short spurts on the radio or whatever; they'll need to be listened to attentively and possibly multiple times before they can sink in. | |
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| Apart From Metal.
Posted: 11/7/2009 10:41:32 AM |
i want to make it clear that whatever the merits of heavy metal may be, letting it be known that you are a fan of this type of thing is a just going to advertise the fact that you still live at your mums place and have never had sex to any prospective sexual partner, because its a well known fact that listening to heavy metal will severely curtail your social and sexual ambitions as women, all women, think it's sad.
Yes, because we all know that you have to be into Rap and R&B to get all the "b!tches" right?
Admittedly OP, and dont take this the wrong way, you do seem to fit the 'typical Metal fan' stereotype 100% which doesnt help people like me. Nevermind..!
And what exactly is the stereotype again? And why would you want to be with someone who uses stereotypes? I could in fact be inadvertently doing you a favour regardless of how true the stereotyped generalisations are. | |
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| Apart From Metal.
Posted: 11/7/2009 11:37:00 AM |
And what exactly is the stereotype again? And why would you want to be with someone who uses stereotypes? I could in fact be inadvertently doing you a favour regardless of how true the stereotyped generalisations are.
Yes you are right you are could be doing me a favour, it possibly works both ways.
Why would I want to be with somebody who uses stereotypes? I dont *want* to be with somebody who uses stereotypes, but they have their uses. They're not the be all and end all.
Not meaning to be funny with you, I have nothing against you, but I think we both know what a general 'Metal fan' stereotype might be. | |
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| Apart From Metal.
Posted: 11/7/2009 12:32:40 PM | wot a load of ol bollox...
blokes that like metal will scare the ladies..
to see a man with a harley between his legs,long hair,dark glasses,tatts,scruffy leathers,a bit rough around the edges.
smelling of freedom,and wild nights...
i know who i would rather be with and it is not mr.ol skool..
women love a bad boy....we an`t scared of ya | |
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