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Posted: 11/7/2009 2:12:58 PM | I think there is a certain demographic that exist who think it's trendy to mock heavy metal.
Why? Maybe they're not educated or hip to this style of music. I usually get it from the same type of female that also have a problem with men talking about football. Maybe they've been reading The Guardian/Daily Mail* all their lives and they don't know any better?
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Posted: 11/7/2009 3:17:12 PM |
I dont *want* to be with somebody who uses stereotypes, but they have their uses.
But obviously they have some negative connotations too to the point that you claim myself being the "typical" metal fan as causing problems for the supposed non typical metal fan as yourself and this was the crux of my question.
I really am interested to know what it is about me supposedly being a typical metal fan that causes the troubles that you claim to have when it comes to dating.
And I'm loving the fact that in the space of 2 posts, mitzi has totally proved some of the recent sweeping generalisations about metal fans so very wrong. lol | |
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Posted: 11/7/2009 3:46:21 PM | I haven't read the whole thread but I'll have my tuppence worth.
I have had many friends who are into metal, metal musicians, girlfriends, wives etc etc. I even grew up with an old school goth who was heavily into metal so feel I have a fairly good view on the whole culture.
I agree those that generally state they're not into metal on their profiles will generally not be someone who has ever experienced the music and the culture and are using stereotypes for the most part to form the opinion. Thing is, stereotypes exist for a reason and there is often a huge grain of truth in amongst all the utter nonsense. I think for the most part they would not be suited to someone heavily into metal (excuse the pun). I think it is the one genre where it impacts on every part of a fans life. From how they dress to where they shop and socialise. Even the company they keep. Metal fans mostly socialise and are friends with other metal fans. It is one of the most polarising music genres and spawns a whole lifestyle around it. In that way it is going to be viewed differently to say pop, R 'n B, indie, jazz, even classical. I mean, you can't pick out a pop or jazz fan quite so easily as a hard core metal fan can you?
I am not a fan, just ended up immersed in it by default, first as a child and then when living in a house full of metal and rock fans where we would have gigs in our house (yes, really), I would go to gigs and rock clubs. 99.9% of those I came into contact during that time lived up to a lot of the stereotypes sadly. Unfortunately I find it an ear splitting noise for the most part and never really got hooked on any of it and truly I tried!
I also have had bright red hair and then purple hair and people often made assumptions about me due to this. You have to take it on the chin. Choose to wear who you are so obviously and you will come in for judgement, rightly or wrongly.
Would I date a metal fan? Possibly not as I feel it is just too far from what I enjoy and I enjoy spending time with a partner but if that time meant I had to endure something I really didn't enjoy then it would be very difficult.
Similarly, I understand that my love for cats is not universal and say so on my profile. There are those that could think of nothing worse than dating me because of the cats.
Different strokes for different folks. I think you need to relax and stop feeling so, umm, not the right word but the general gist, victimised. You happen to like something most of the mainstream general population don't and I'm afraid you won't change that. | |
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Posted: 11/7/2009 4:08:16 PM | I really am interested to know what it is about me supposedly being a typical metal fan that causes the troubles that you claim to have when it comes to dating.
...I never claimed to have troubles dating. Do I have trouble finding somebody into the same music who wants somebody like me? Well, at the moment yes but that might not have anything to do with whether I fit in with a stereotype or not. Obviously I'm on this site for a reason - because I want to find that somebody to share my life, and almost importantly, my love of music with - I've only been a member for a few weeks and to be honest I expect to find that somebody in real life rather than online but while I've got the options I'm not going to dismiss anything. I insinuated that some people cast aspersions over Metal fans when they dont know the full story, yes, and this thread has established that as true. Whenever somebody finds out what music I like they're surprised, unless I'm wearing a band shirt which may give them a clue. In the whole scheme of life that doesnt bother me, but I dont think it helps when I'm trying to find somebody who has a similar taste in music to me.
What marks you out as a traditional/typical Metal fan? Long hair, facial hair, tattoos, peircings. It also doesnt seem like from what I remember of your profile, that you like anything other than Rock/Metal and the bands you like (or atleast listed) are all popular bands in said genres.
Many of the profiles I've seen on here, where a female has shown a liking to Metal, have included they're looking for somebody with long hair, tattoos, piercings and suchlike.
What's your opinion on the other points I made in my original post, rather than just the ones that involve you (or indeed I) directly? I didnt intend to get into personal situations with my initial post, it was just an 'off the cuff' remark. As I said, I wasnt having a go - I agree with most of your points in this thread. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 4:27:55 AM | Some interesting points 925dancer. It's true yes that metal fans mostly socialise with other metal fans but is that really any different from other people socialising with people who are into the same things as them?
A few years ago then there was probably a bigger divide where the "tribes" would only hang out from people of their given "tribe" but these days its far less common and polarising.
Yes, I have plenty of friends into metal but I actually have more friends who are not into metal and it's probably always been that way and thats not a slight on the personalitys of the people from my tribe but is probably attributed to the fact I have never lived in a city with a particularly large alternative scene and have made friends where I can regardless of tribe.
As for dating out of my tribe, the last five girls I have dated/been in a relationship with, only one was really into metal at all. The other four (one of which I was with for two years) were simply open minded enough to not let it be an issue and were with me for who I was, not what I was into.
And if people are as much against cats as they are metal, then I'm screwed! lol
...I never claimed to have troubles dating. Do I have trouble finding somebody into the same music who wants somebody like me? Well, at the moment yes but that might not have anything to do with whether I fit in with a stereotype or not.
Exactly, so why say this?
Admittedly OP, and dont take this the wrong way, you do seem to fit the 'typical Metal fan' stereotype 100% which doesnt help people like me. Nevermind..!
The things that mark me out as a typical metal fan are purely cosmetic but again, none of these traits such as long hair/facial hair/tattoos/piercings are unique to the genre of metal and if a someone is going to right off a whole music genre based purely on the way someone looks then yeah, definitely not the kind of person I would want to date (and I'm guessing you wouldn't either) and while its not the reason I look the way I do, it sure does help.
I mean, I'm not having a go but I just wasn't sure why you claimed that me being a typical fan didn't help people like you. I mean after reading what you wrote, I could just as easy flip this around and say that it's actually you NOT being a typical metal fan that is causing the problems you have when it comes to meeting a like minded female?.....
As for metal being the lowest common denominator, it was discussed but with a different angle in as much that Metal is certainly not easy listening and the fairweather music fan isn't going to be able to listen to it and make any sense of it will and simply assume its noise particularly if they were only to hear short bursts on the radio. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 7:17:31 AM |
Exactly, so why say this?
I probably worded it wrong, as I said it was an off the cuff remark not intended to be thought upon too deeply. You flipping it around would end up with the point I was trying to make.
With regards to the lowest common denominator, I am glad we agree. Again it is peoples decision whether they decide to explore genres of music that dont get airplay on the radio or tv or whatever, so the crux is that it's their choice but not helped by the society we live in. Again as touched upon in this thread, some people dont want to be associated with Metal because of the supposed negativity connected with it. Do you or I want to be with somebody with no backbone or the ignorance to not know what's out there? Probably not, but I am sure there are people out there who'd find something they liked in Metal even if they've previously disregarded it. Even after 30-40 years of development and evolution there's original Metal music being made. It maybe doesnt sound as original as it would have done 10/20/30 years ago, but that's to be expected.
..Some fair points raised by dukeofmarmalade with regards to the 'uniform' etc. I do disagree slightly with your 'low fat' Metal fan but that's partly because some people would say that's how I dress - Your opinion though so fair enough. I wear what I want obviously, but if I can look reasonable while showing/supporting a band I like then I see that as a positive. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 11:16:03 AM |
there are some hard rock/metal bands with relevance, metallica, black sabbath and led zeppelin would be good examples in my opinion, but a lot of recent metal bands like cradle of filth, marilyn manson etc are just shock rockers, the music itself kinda takes a back seat to the look, which is usually all about so called 'shock value', but i think we live in an age where its very hard to be truly shocking as its all been done before. now i actually think marilyn manson looks pretty cool sometimes, i remember watching him on jonathan ross's show a few years ago and he appeared looking like a batman villain, which was interesting to say the least, like the joker's more demented younger brother or something, the thing is marilyn manson can get away with this kinda look because he has a large clothes budget and stylists around him who can help him get his look just so, but when some brummie on jobseekers allowance wants to replicate this look for walking down his local high street that things can get a little sad, the dodgy dyed hair, cheap camden market type platform boots etc on a pale faced spotty twenty year old just isn't a good look, and while not all metal heads go in for such an extreme look as the one i have set out here, this kinda thing just gives metal a very cheesy reputation.
i don't think anyone can say that heavy metal is all crap, as in any genre there are some nougats of gold, it's just a lot of the stuff that surrounds it puts a lot of people off, also another point is that many metallers seem to think by dressing in this manner they are rebelling, and breaking with convention, but the heavy metal dress code is just another uniform, no more original than the uniform your daily postman wears when he delivers your mail, this is what i find a bit laughable about this mode of behaviour, if a person wants to stand out, be different and rebel against the norms of society, why not wear something a bit more original than the black t shirt and beanie hat? incidentally i always think that the kind of metal fans who choose to avoid the more outlandish dress code and just wear the black t shirt and beanie are even worse than the fans of a more unorthodox metal dress code because they are just being completely unoriginal, i call these people low fat heavy metal fans.
Dude, given the fact that you spent more time in your post talking about "fashion" more than "music" kind of highlights a large part of the issue in the topic at hand.
Most metal fans don't give a damn about fashion and the fact that most metal fans wear much and such the same style of clothes should really have highlighted that fact to you and would have rendered your whole point about metal fans dressing to rebel and be different completely pointless. Which it is. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 2:49:23 PM | I have a good friend who is metal mad, in a band who I have initially seen but dont go to his gigs because he knows it's not my thing, he doesn't get offended so why is the OP so offended to hear people not liking Metal style?
Btw my friend is the guitarist in Extreme O.D, you may know of them | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 3:24:41 PM | I think the OP doth protest too much and has a bit of a chip on his shoulder.
The original question was about metal in general and why it was more common to see it hated more openly than other types of music yet the OP is taking everything said as a personal slight on them and their lifestyle choices. Don't ask a question if you are not prepared for the answer!
My last post was about metal fans in general not about the OP yet he has brought it back round to him personally. You may have more non metal fans as friends and have dated more women but I would hazard a guess from my own experiences that you are more of the exception to the rule if that is the case. Also, if it hasn't hindered you for the most part why such an issue with those of us who express our views in the negative?
Metal fans can be very single minded in their tastes. Where they are prepared to go for a night out and music to have on in the background and this is very difficult to live with if you have no interest in metal yourself. It's just one of those things that has a whole sub culture of it's own and I'll say it again, this is unique to that particular genre. True, people with similar interests will congregate but everything they do is not dictated by their music choices in the same way as metal. I mean, you don't find someone into knitting only have friends who knit, only go to knitting clubs and only wear things that are knitted.
Metal is not just about a choice of something people enjoy listening to now and again, it's about a whole sub-culture and lifestyle that can be hard for non metal fans to deal with. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 4:01:43 PM |
i just happened to pick up on a particular reason, out of a veritable multitude of potential possible reasons that many people are turned off by heavy metal. i don't feel i need to prove to you just how unpopular heavy metal is with many people as your OP clearly states that you understand this to be the case. i wonder though what draws YOU to heavy metal? i might listen to a love song, for example 'hard to beat' by the group hard fi, and it will remind me of good times i have had with a girlfriend, i find this pleasurable and this is one reason i listen to music, but there are many others.. i wonder what attracts you to heavy metal? does listening to a really loud industrial racket of guitars and drums with some unkempt geezer with a mullet and inadvisable clothes shouting about satan and the apocalypse make you feel good? if so why? can listening to a fella singing about devil worship get you off in the same way my music does me? if so i'm a little concerned. does the enjoyment you derive from this music come from you imagining you are beezlebub or one of his hellish minions? i always imagined that heavy metal was music for disenfranchised types who wanted to feel a sense of empowerment in the subject matter, which appears to be mainly a conveyor belt of malignant spirits, beasts , brutes and demons. i would be very interested to hear your answer to this question as i always found the subject matter of a lot of heavy metal music a little puerile for my tastes, something i would expect a teenager to listen to. but having said that i think if you like that kind of thing fair enough, although a word of caution: if you want to get dates with non heavy metal fans, and this i would imagine would be preferable, then i would just keep your predilection for metal to yourself, no one need know.
If I thought for one second you were at all serious in any of the above, I might have actually answered your queries in an honest and sensible manner. However your own puerile manner in which you asked the question leads me to believe you are just trying to get a rise....and it hasn't worked.
so why is the OP so offended to hear people not liking Metal style?
I know this thread is rather long, but if you read the whole thread, you will see this is not actually the case.
I think the OP doth protest too much and has a bit of a chip on his shoulder.
The original question was about metal in general and why it was more common to see it hated more openly than other types of music yet the OP is taking everything said as a personal slight on them and their lifestyle choices. Don't ask a question if you are not prepared for the answer!
My last post was about metal fans in general not about the OP yet he has brought it back round to him personally. You may have more non metal fans as friends and have dated more women but I would hazard a guess from my own experiences that you are more of the exception to the rule if that is the case. Also, if it hasn't hindered you for the most part why such an issue with those of us who express our views in the negative?
Metal fans can be very single minded in their tastes. Where they are prepared to go for a night out and music to have on in the background and this is very difficult to live with if you have no interest in metal yourself. It's just one of those things that has a whole sub culture of it's own and I'll say it again, this is unique to that particular genre. True, people with similar interests will congregate but everything they do is not dictated by their music choices in the same way as metal. I mean, you don't find someone into knitting only have friends who knit, only go to knitting clubs and only wear things that are knitted.
Metal is not just about a choice of something people enjoy listening to now and again, it's about a whole sub-culture and lifestyle that can be hard for non metal fans to deal with.
So, because I start a topic for discussion and keep active in it in order to keep it in focus and on topic this means I have a chip on my shoulder?
The only time I have protested is when people have came in and made points that are clearly off the topic.
I know your post was about metal fans in general however people generalising is a huge part of the problem in the discussion at hand so obviously when I see glaringly obvious generalisations then of course I am going to use my own personal experiences to counter them.
I also wasn't aware that we were only allowed to start discussions about things that cause us problems on here. Of course this might just be another generalisation i.e. people only start topics about things that they can have a good moan about.... Forgive me for starting a discussion about something I found interesting and close to my heart but not something that necessarily causes me any direct troubles!....
You have however hit on a really interesting point. Yes, metal is a huge sub culture in it's own right and I can understand how it might be hard for people deal with in certain aspects. But given how divisive the metal genre is, is it really worth a non metal fan stating that they don't like metal? Like we wouldn't be able to work it out for ourselves?
It certainly seems to me over the course of this thread that the statement means far less about the music itself and is more about the type of person a non metal fan wants to date.
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Posted: 11/8/2009 4:09:48 PM | I think the OP doth protest too much and has a bit of a chip on his shoulder. I think the clue was right at the beginning when he described disliking heavy metal as "crazy". It seems he thinks everyone should like it and thinks there's something wrong with anyone who doesn't, or that their failure to share his opinion is somehow a slur on his character. If someone doesn't like a particular trait of mine, I'm not going to play the victim or publicly question their sanity even if I do think they're nuts, I'm going to look for someone who does like it, because I'm sure as hell not going to change their mind by protesting about it, nor would I want to. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 4:13:27 PM | well if i get chased around the house to kings of leon...
or gun n roses..sweet child of mine...
im happy | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 4:33:09 PM |
I think the clue was right at the beginning when he described disliking heavy metal as "crazy". It seems he thinks everyone should like it and thinks there's something wrong with anyone who doesn't, or that their failure to share his opinion is somehow a slur on his character.
Wrong.
I did not state and have never stated ANYWHERE that anyone who doesn't like metal is "crazy".
I did however state that the amount of people who feel the need to claim to like every kind of music apart from metal as being "crazy".
If you are going to try and discredit the validity of this thread or make a mockery of me by using things I have said then at least get what I actually said right and in context and keep further posts on the actual topic. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 4:34:05 PM | i just happened to pick up on a particular reason, out of a veritable multitude of potential possible reasons that many people are turned off by heavy metal. i don't feel i need to prove to you just how unpopular heavy metal is with many people as your OP clearly states that you understand this to be the case. i wonder though what draws YOU to heavy metal? i might listen to a love song, for example 'hard to beat' by the group hard fi, and it will remind me of good times i have had with a girlfriend, i find this pleasurable and this is one reason i listen to music, but there are many others.. i wonder what attracts you to heavy metal? does listening to a really loud industrial racket of guitars and drums with some unkempt geezer with a mullet and inadvisable clothes shouting about satan and the apocalypse make you feel good? if so why? can listening to a fella singing about devil worship get you off in the same way my music does me? if so i'm a little concerned. does the enjoyment you derive from this music come from you imagining you are beezlebub or one of his hellish minions? i always imagined that heavy metal was music for disenfranchised types who wanted to feel a sense of empowerment in the subject matter, which appears to be mainly a conveyor belt of malignant spirits, beasts , brutes and demons. i would be very interested to hear your answer to this question as i always found the subject matter of a lot of heavy metal music a little puerile for my tastes, something i would expect a teenager to listen to. but having said that i think if you like that kind of thing fair enough, although a word of caution: if you want to get dates with non heavy metal fans, and this i would imagine would be preferable, then i would just keep your predilection for metal to yourself, no one need know.
Are you for real? Jesus...I don't think I've seen anyone put so much effort into writing about a topic they are so uninformed on. It's almost like you are an overly educated lay person; which doesn't make any sense at all - much like your post. I can't tell whether this is exquisite trolling or just plain ignorance.
Zeegary - music retains a large element of objectivity and can be judged against certain rock solid criteria (musical theory). It is not totally subjective. Who am I to judge it? Someone who is informed - just as a doctor would be more informed to judge a medical condition than a lay person.
If you go against the argument that a doctors or my opinions are no less valid than a lay persons, then you also subscribe to the argument that 1+1=3 if merely because it is someones "opinion". Which is utterly ludicrous.
The piece of art you refer to, "equivalent eights" is total B.S on the objective scale. Just because some pretentious art "critique" has placed value on it does not make it "good" in the wider scheme of things. By that I refer to the main criterias of judging artistic merit: talent and creativity.
A stack of bricks requires no talent to create. Most minimalist art requires no talent to create.
Now H.R Giger on the otherhand (the artist that inspired that Aliens movies) - now his work requires talent by the bucket loads, genuine creativity (his ideas were totally unique and otherworldly - well beyond the realms of most peoples normal imagination).
Contrasted against:
*generic cookie cutter pop band* (s-club 7 e.t.c)
v.s
Meshuggah -
Vocals: http://www.darklyrics.com/lyrics/meshuggah/chaosphere.html#2 - simply amazing, poetic, carnal, insightful and socially relevant lyrics.
Guitarist: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYkSb7wtj0E - flawless legato technique, speed, phrasing, emotion, precision, insane rythmic skills.
Drummer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOR0hUIGb4Y - just downright insane groove, limb independance, coordination, speed, creativity, rythmic genious. I suggest you wikipedia "polymeters" and then tell me if you think what he's pulling off in the vids is nothing short of super-human.
If you are seriously arguing that your "opinion" of music v.s mine, enables a band such as Meshuggah to be viewed in the same musical light as S-club 7, you have some serious wisening up to do buddy. Opinion is not a code word for stupidity. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 4:49:00 PM | I see duke is still trolling hardcore and has completely overlooked everything in my last post. Go on then, I'll take the bait. I have explained why I am attracted to the music - the talent and creativity that goes into it blows my mind and puts a huge smile on my face. The immense grooves and patterns seem to gel with me and stir up all kinds of great emotions and imagery.
The question you are asking can be summed up by the following analogy: Anything by Tom Clancy vs. The Hungry Caterpillar.
Metal being about devil worship e.t.c is a stereotype (that is false). Well, actually there is a specific sub genre of metal called "black metal" that is about devil worship / the occult - which I personally find ridiculous and completely talentless in 99% of cases. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 5:08:06 PM | In the case of "black metal" I would tend to agree as honestly, the music is just plain horrible - there are no redeeming factors. It's pretty much all based on image, i.e a bunch of dudes with gothic face paint wearing spikes running around in the forest saying 'hail satan' a lot. I feel ashamed that they are even associated with the name "metal".
The only standout black metal band I can name would be Dimmu Borgir, who actually focus on the music - really cool, epic synths help to bring about a crazy wall of sound: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ZYKSDbwQE | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 5:30:59 PM | I did not state and have never stated ANYWHERE that anyone who doesn't like metal is "crazy".
You said, and I quote,
"..."I am into all kinds of music...apart from heavy metal". It's crazy just how many people appear to share this sentiment."
So, if that doesn't mean people who don't like metal are crazy, what exactly does it mean?
at least get what I actually said right and in context Done. Quoted verbatim.
and keep further posts on the actual topic. Two questions for you:
1. Which part of my post was off-topic?
2. When did you become the arbiter of what I may and may not post? | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 7:37:49 PM | *sigh*
i just happened to pick up on a particular reason, out of a veritable multitude of potential possible reasons that many people are turned off by heavy metal "heavy metal" is more accurately a specific genre within the metal realm. I'd say a band like Judas Priest is "heavy metal" Some other metal sub genres : doom, death, thrash, speed, black (these are just the basic ones). What distinguishes these genres are playing style/ patterns, philosophy, lyrics, tunings etc. There is often mixing of these styles as well so some bands don't fit neatly into one specific genre but instead inhabit multiple areas.
Metal fans can be very single minded in their tastes. Where they are prepared to go for a night out and music to have on in the background and this is very difficult to live with if you have no interest in metal yourself. I listen to all kinds of music myself.
Metal is not just about a choice of something people enjoy listening to now and again, it's about a whole sub-culture and lifestyle that can be hard for non metal fans to deal with. Not necessarily.
THE DUKE SAYETH UNTO HEAVY METAL FANS: i knew my simple question would be avoided, such a simple question too, i would still like to know what it is that attracts you metal heads to this genre? do you get pumped up by the loud guitar and shouted lyrics? does all that talk of lycanthropy and things that go bump in the night get you amped up? i find myself laughing at the thought of a fully grown man listening (with a straight face) to a record composed of a blusterous cacaphony of drums and guitar with some shouty "dude" emoting about lycanthropy, witchcraft or the hellish denizens of the underworld.. where is the enjoyment in that? how do you relate to that? do you partake in devil worship yourself? are you a warlock? do you partake in vampyric shenanigans? if you do not i struggle to see what the attraction of this music is, i was genuinely hoping to be enlightened. you asked for this debate remember? why have you become coy about your reasons for loving heavy metal?
Hey, do a youtube search for "Disembowelment - The Spirits of the Tall Hills" (minus quotes) If you can't take anything meaningful away from that song then that's fine. But others happen to embrace it and the connection it brings.
Also just so you know Disembowelment is "Doom" metal not "heavy" metal. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 1:37:56 AM |
"..."I am into all kinds of music...apart from heavy metal". It's crazy just how many people appear to share this sentiment."
Done. Quoted verbatim.
Oh dear. I see you don't understand the concept of keeping things in context. I shouldn't have to repeat myself but this would seem a special case.
At no point did I imply that people who do not like metal are crazy but what I did state was crazy, was the amount of people who feel the need to express their distaste for metal and metal only.
If I had said something along the lines of "the people who share this sentiment AREcrazy because they don't like metal" then you might have had a point. But obviously, I never said that which means you don't.
Two questions for you:
1. Which part of my post was off-topic?
2. When did you become the arbiter of what I may and may not post?
1. All of it. The topic was about why people feel the need to state they like all kinds of music apart from metal. Your post was an attack against me for supposedly implying that anyone who does not like heavy metal is "crazy".
2. I'm not, but it is in keeping with forum rules to keep posts valid and on topic. It's also against rules to start attacking other forum posters....
come on OP! answer the question, what is it about you enjoy about the subject matter of heavy metal? the death and destruction? the hell and damnation imagery? songs about burning in hell for the rest of time? all that talk of human sacrifice?
You might think you are being really smart by asking this question however all you are doing is showing your complete ignorance and lack of grasp of genre at hand by assuming that all metal is about the things you described.
I myself am like Strapping Young Lad in as much that I do not listen to Black/Death Metal as the subject matter nor the particular sub genre of metal do anything for me.
I've already listed a bunch of the bands that I listen to on my profile and also posted some links to some videos too. If you really want to know what I enjoy about metal, then go check them out. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 4:08:47 AM |
come on OP! answer the question, what is it about you enjoy about the subject matter of heavy metal? the death and destruction? the hell and damnation imagery? songs about burning in hell for the rest of time? all that talk of human sacrifice?
It makes me want to stab my gran.
Just like Call of duty makes me want to shoot my aunt.
Just like Lord of the rings makes me want to jump into Volcanoes. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 6:39:49 AM | Can't speak for anyone else... My profile states that I do like metal, but don't like drum & bass.
As others have said, it's down to personal taste. For the majority (especially of younger generations) it is not 'cool' to be alternative. They need to follow what their friends are doing, who are doing what the latest 'in' celebrity is doing/singing/listening to. (IMO!)
Question for you though.. Why do metal fans usually list their favourite bands on their profile, and ask 'Who's your favourite band?'
I always find this bizarre. Of course other people talk about music, but it seems that (some) metal fans have music as a priority in a prospective friend/partner. This is not by any means a criticism, just an observation.
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| Why is it that apparently any type of music is deemed as acceptable apart from metal
Posted: 11/9/2009 10:55:53 AM | Taking this slighly off topic but I wanted to respond to this:
I continued to agree with the Strapping Young Lad 22 guy up until here:
In the case of "black metal" I would tend to agree as honestly, the music is just plain horrible - there are no redeeming factors. It's pretty much all based on image, i.e a bunch of dudes with gothic face paint wearing spikes running around in the forest saying 'hail satan' a lot. I feel ashamed that they are even associated with the name "metal".
Of course your opinion, and agree with the points on 'image' to some extent, but for the most point these guys arent taking themselves seriously. They see it as an act, a show, becoming a 'character' or whatever. I dont condone it, but it's up to them. The image doesnt appeal to me, I listen to it for the music/atmosphere. I went to what would be classed as a Black Metal show a week or so ago, the drummer of the headlining band was walking around talking to people acting what many people would call 'normal', but as soon as his time on stage came he changed and went into character. They put on a good show and I had a great time. He's also a fantastic musician, possibly not up with Haake on the drums but not far off..
15/20 years ago your description of Black Metal would have been closer to the truth but there's been vast developments since then. Maybe the bands I'm considering to be BM arent so in your opinion and that's where a difference may be, or possibly you've not heard these bands. Again your opinion.. | |
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| Why is it that apparently any type of music is deemed as acceptable apart from metal
Posted: 11/9/2009 11:05:29 AM |
Question for you though.. Why do metal fans usually list their favourite bands on their profile, and ask 'Who's your favourite band?'
I always find this bizarre. Of course other people talk about music, but it seems that (some) metal fans have music as a priority in a prospective friend/partner. This is not by any means a criticism, just an observation.
And it's a very good observation. In my opinion I'd say its for a couple of reasons.
I guess, saying what kind of music you are into is one thing, but metal fans are generally quite specific about what they like.
Listing bands underpins how broad the metal genre is within itself (a point that through the course of this thread it has been discovered most fair weather music fans dont realise) and listing a few of your fav bands lets other fans know exactly what you are into.
A death metal fan is going to have a different favourites list from your average all round metal fan in the same way a Hardcore Metal fan is going to have a different favs list from a classic metal fan.
Also I have found that the open minded people who are really interested in you but have never heard of the bands you have listed often go and check out said bands to get an idea of what they are like.
i think it's fair to say that heavy metal fans are a tribe of sorts, and if you choose to overtly join this particular tribe by wearing the metal uniform of black t shirt, wasp t-shirt and a beanie etc you are going to struggle if you want to date non metal heads, many of whom find this kind of thing not to their taste.
I've noticed you mention the thing about metal fans wanting to date non metal fans a couple of times now but I don't remember any metal fans on here specifically saying that they wanted to specifically date a non metal fan..... | |
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