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| Obama and Medical Marijuana
Posted: 10/21/2009 2:50:30 PM | saharam:
How about searching deeper than just looking at the "snippit" provided. Explain then where it says the states don't have rights. I doubt you'll try, if you are correct and provide proof then I would be first to admit I am wrong. Otherwise, all you are doing is pulling stuff out of your backside and saying I'm incorrect. Ahh, but those who want something different from their government then you are "wingnuts". Essentially, all I got from your post is that you disegree with my inturpretion, but you are to lazy (or ignorant) to debate it logically and rationally. All you can come up with is a fancy longwinded form of calling me ignorant...am I correct?
So I'm guessing you would rather have the monkeys in DC control the whole country, instead of your local government running things. Those clowns over there are 3000 miles away from my home, what the hell do they know about representing anybody where I am at?
<div class="quote">some of the damn fools actually have some idea about history and remember some of the evils done by the states.
This makes next to no sense at all. Did you take advantage of our president's marijuana declaration prior to typing that?
Saharam
wudger
bushlover
So, by ranting against a state's rights and preaching for a larger federal government...am I too assume that you guys/gals are against Obama dropping some federal regulations on medical marijuana? Are you guys/gals for harsher regs on marijuana? | |
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Posted: 10/21/2009 3:42:39 PM | Nobushlover:
Funny name...almost creepy. I can't believe someone would be so obsessed with someone as to name themself after them. Anyways...I've notice you've got this thing for flinging "wingnut" around whenever someone disagrees with you. I'm assuming this is your pet-name for the so called "right", or just anyone who disagrees with you. I'm guessing you consider yourself leaning along the so called "left" and that you probably consider yourself a "Liberal"...funny...am I correct. You are aware that you argue for a larger and more restrictive government? Do you even know what a liberal is? Here I'll help you...I know, a glibly posted snippit, but just think...I've already done all the research for you.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/liberal
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/liberalism
Hmmmmm...do you fit the description? | |
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| Obama and Medical Marijuana
Posted: 10/21/2009 7:03:03 PM | I have no idea why its not decriminalized period,its works better than like 126 prescription drugs being sold by the drug industry,there was no better material,rope,oil,and talk about cheap oil at that, if commercially grown,do you realize itrs the finest oil you could use for machinery,we could fuel our autos with it,it would end our dependence in other countries oil.There has never been one death associated to marijuana use period,thats an actual fact.Its not addictive,you cannot OD from it,its a medical miracle,and decriminalizing it would free up our prisons for putting in actual criminals,roughly 70 % of our prisoners are in for pot,which costs tens of billions in everything from Apache helicopters to all the task forces,prison guards and jails and prisons.Wow that would be enough to easily handle the cost of any medical reform we ever dream of doing but never had the money.
I say slap a tax on it likes cigs and there you go.It has to be the most rounded multi use plant ever put on this planet by God,its as if he had a master plan with this ,good for everything plant,hmmm !
When you do research on it ,as to why its been criminalized, it has more to do with everything else but it being a party favor,its more about control,alcohol lobbyist,prescription drug lobbyists,Nixon taking the heat off of the war,even big money items like thousands and thousands of jobs created just to fight it and house the prisoners,Private prisons,which are the majority,is reall big money.Pretty much every reason in history had to do with everything other than a party favor.
Why should we have a medicine that grows like a weed that works better than 126 drugs prescribed now, losing billions in sales for those poor prescription drug manufacturers,even the drug testing is a waste according to the DEA,pot stays in the system for up to 30 days and all the hard drugs stay in for 24 hours,the DEA said all it teaches kids are if we do the harder drugs on the weekend I will pass my drug test on Monday.Majority of drug testing places state that also,because they complain that all the test ever shows is the pot smoker,the guy just in an accident at work shows positive for marijuana,that voided his workmans comp and he might of only smoked it on a long weekend camping trip 3 weeks earlier. Wake up people ! If this was about our health then Alcohol would have been criminalized and irradiated years ago,besides no prohibition has ever worked,never in history,ever !
Hows our war on drugs now,hows that workin out ! Fact the very first prohibition was a bust,it involved two people and even that failed.God forbid Adam and Eve from eating an apple,that's the first recorded prohibition and it failed, so has ever other one ever done throughout history,yet will still have new batches of new goody two shoes dumb enough to continue on with stuff that doesn't work.lets work on something bad,lets put our energy into something bad and stop wasting valuable jail space and valuable police officers time on something as petty as marijuana,like our courts are not busy enough we need to pursue something as extremely petty and harmless as marijuana.
Its should be held high on a pedestal as the greatest multi use plant in existence,think hard of what plant has more uses, dare you ! | |
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| Obama and Medical Marijuana
Posted: 10/21/2009 7:24:42 PM | itechman,
"semantics" deals with what words actually mean, as opposed to picking words at random and thinking they mean whatever you say they mean. The word you're looking for is "pedantic"
And by insisting that it's OK to continue to use the wrong words makes you at least as "semantic" as I am. It also demonstrates an inability to admit making an error, and a foolish obstinancy to flaunt ones' ignorance.
The fact that the people who confuse rights with powers are the same people who confuse socialism with communism and fascism (and confuse semantics with pedantics) just proves that these people have no concern for the truth, not to mention an inability to learn the English language. Kind of ironic since these are the same people who want to make English the "official language" of the US even though they can't speak it fluently.
How about searching deeper than just looking at the "snippit" provided.
Umm, I quoted the 10th Amendment, which is the amendment you referred to, and I showed that it says nothing about states rights. IOW, you didn't even provide a "snippet"; you merely provided a "fiction"
Ahh, but those who want something different from their government then you are "wingnuts".
No, wingnuts are loons who have rejected reality and consider a commitment to the facts and the truth a handicap. Your delusion that the 10th Amendment says something about states' "rights (a delusion that continues despite my having posted the 10th Amend) puts you in firmly in the wingnut camp
So, by ranting against a state's rights and preaching for a larger federal government...am I too assume that you guys/gals are against Obama dropping some federal regulations on medical marijuana?
More wingnut logic. Because I believe in the feds power to regulate (or not) drug use I should believe that the fed does not have the power to regulate (or not) drug use? Is that what you call logic in the bizarro world of conservatism? | |
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| Obama and Medical Marijuana
Posted: 10/21/2009 8:32:29 PM | Saharam
wudger
bushlover
So, by ranting against a state's rights and preaching for a larger federal government... Personally, I haven't ranted "against states' rights," nor have I "preached for a larger federal government." I have simply acknowledged some legal issues that you appear to perhaps want to ignore.
Disagreeing with you doesn't equal a rant.
Perhaps this is your way of changing the subject after realizing you were off-base with your initial assertion?
At least you're willing to learn. | |
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| Obama and Medical Marijuana
Posted: 10/21/2009 9:15:34 PM |
Personally, I haven't ranted "against states' rights,"
ootm and his hysteria seems to have missed the fact that I am the only one in this thread saying there is no such thing as states' rights. And I'm the only one who has proven their point.
At least you're willing to learn.
Maybe, but he's certainly not willing to admit it. | |
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| Obama and Medical Marijuana
Posted: 10/21/2009 9:58:10 PM |
And I'm the only one who has proven their point.
You have made no point, besides the fact that you believe those who think differently than you are "wingnuts". That's okey...you are not alone.
I also posted the amendment, so what is your point...that you don't like the way I phrased things? Ha...funny. Oh...and by the way, you are the only one who has brought up "facism", "communism" and "socialism". I wonder...do you know the difference?
Saraham:
Let me give you an example of why I "interpret" it the way I do. Just because it does not say the word "right" in the amendment does not mean there is "no" right. You made a comment about me just "gibly" posting it...I ask you this, did you just "gibly" read it, or did you investigate further? Maybe along some of the titles to the amendment? Look you interpret it the way you do, but that does not mean you are right and that I am wrong, nor is it the other way around. I will say this though, for someone so bent on "their" interpretation, you have failed to provide anything besides opinion to back it up. Your opinion...it says "powers" not "rights"....therefor states do not have rights. Well the constitution also does not say the states have a right to sucede, but do they? Look at the civil war....not one democratic leader of the confederate party was tried for treason. There are other exmples too, but I'll leave them for you to look up. You could also look at Bushlover, he/she interprets everyone who thinks differently than him/her as a "wingnut", whereas most adults would interpret that as a "difference of opinions". | |
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| Obama and Medical Marijuana
Posted: 10/21/2009 10:21:11 PM |
I have no idea why its not decriminalized period...
Yeah, you do... Two words... Pharmaceutical Corporations...
There's more; but I think you're already aware of that, too...
Regardless, you may already be in the queue for the next flu shot...
So any further comments would only fall on soon-to-be dead ears...
Just kidding... Everyone back to their happy place... | |
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| Obama and Medical Marijuana
Posted: 10/22/2009 12:01:48 AM |
Yeah, you do... Two words... Pharmaceutical Corporations...
Aslo, easier to reduce the voting public down. Felony=no voting.
The "War on Drus" is a major drain on taxes (aren't all wars?). How much would you bet that a good chunk of the change that is taken from us "for the cause", does not go to the cause, but to line some pockets green? | |
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| Obama and Medical Marijuana
Posted: 10/22/2009 12:24:13 PM | Nobushlover:
Funny name...almost creepy. I can't believe someone would be so obsessed with someone as to name themself after them. Anyways...I've notice you've got this thing for flinging "wingnut" around whenever someone disagrees with you. I'm assuming this is your pet-name for the so called "right", or just anyone who disagrees with you. I'm guessing you consider yourself leaning along the so called "left" and that you probably consider yourself a "Liberal"...funny...am I correct.
Outsideofthemiddle, you seem like a good guy. I'm enjoying your posts. So I'm just going to throw a little advice your way real quick. Abandon this part of the debate. Attempting to rationally discuss anything with Nobushlover is the political equivalent of arguing with a 5 year old. You're going to get no attempt at understanding and a lot of "I know you are but what am I."
Read his post history. He's certainly accurate when he speaks of his commitment to facts. It's just too bad that he makes up all of those facts on the spot and then changes them at whim when he has painted himself into a corner.
Save yourself the headache and focus that energy on other people that might be more interested in understanding what you have to say. | |
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| Obama and Medical Marijuana
Posted: 10/22/2009 12:48:30 PM |
The "War on Drus" is a major drain on taxes (aren't all wars?). How much would you bet that a good chunk of the change that is taken from us "for the cause", does not go to the cause, but to line some pockets green?
Isn't that the ways its always been ?
To either "De-Criminalize",..or "Legalize",..would take all Profit out of our Law Enforcements Pockets.
Why would the Federal Government want to take away their ability to send Jack Booted Nazi Thugs, to kick in Citizens doors, confiscate their Property, Vehicles, and anything else of value,...like CASH ?
If a person, who smokes the "Evil Weed",...is caught,..even his Legitimate Bank Account, the Money that he has saved over the years from a regular job, as a "Working Joe", is Confiscated.
Man,..the Government has a Great Way to acquire Property, and CASH,....just by Busting some non violent, peace full Pot Smoker, while he sits at home being a Couch Potato,..and puts up no resistance !
What better way to Flex your Might, create a source of revenue, and show the average Citizen that your Tax Dollars are being put to good use, against,.....
THE WAR ON DRUGS ! (yeah,....right)
Its time for a change,..that's for sure,....Medicinal Growers, authorized by the state of Calif,...were raided by Bush's FED$, and their entire Crops taken,..yet no arrest ?
BUSH, used FEDERAL LAW,...to OVER RULE STATE LAW,....and Raided Calif Growers, that had the State of California's legal permission, to grow Pot, for Medical Use........yet BUSH raided them anyway.
These are not THE DARK AGES,.....even tho it seems like it sometimes.
Lets at least give Obama Credit, even if he is just trying to get the "Pot Smokers" Vote.
Others have tried to address this very Issue,....Obama isnt the first.
Lets just see what actually happens.
War on Drugs
Ron Paul opposes the War on Drugs.
On November 20, 2008 he said in a New York Times / Freakonomics interview:
“[...] the federal war on drugs has proven costly and ineffective, while creating terrible violent crime. But if you question policy, you are accused of being pro-drug. That is preposterous. As a physician, father, and grandfather, I abhor drugs. I just know that there is a better way — through local laws, communities, churches, and families — to combat the very serious problem of drug abuse than a massive federal-government bureaucracy.”
RON PAUL
Statement Introducing HR 1866, Industrial Hemp Farming Act
http://www.house.gov/apps/list/speech/tx14_paul/IndHemp.shtml
April 2, 2009
Madam Speaker, I rise to introduce the Industrial Hemp Farming Act. The Industrial Hemp Farming Act requires the federal government to respect state laws allowing the growing of industrial hemp.
Eight States--Hawaii, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Montana, North Dakota, Vermont, and West Virginia--allow industrial hemp production or research in accord with state laws. However, federal law is standing in the way of farmers in these states growing what may be a very profitable crop. Because of current federal law, all hemp included in products sold in the United States must be imported instead of being grown by American farmers.
Since 1970, the federal Controlled Substances Act's inclusion of industrial hemp in the schedule one definition of marijuana has prohibited American farmers from growing industrial hemp despite the fact that industrial hemp has such a low content of THC (the psychoactive chemical in the related marijuana plant) that nobody can be psychologically affected by consuming hemp. Federal law concedes the safety of industrial hemp by allowing it to be legally imported for use as food.
The United States is the only industrialized nation that prohibits industrial hemp cultivation.The Congressional Research Service has noted that hemp is grown as an established agricultural commodity in over 30 nations in Europe, Asia, North America, and South America. The Industrial Hemp Farming Act will relieve this unique restriction on American farmers and allow them to grow industrial hemp in accord with state law.
Industrial hemp is a crop that was grown legally throughout the United States for most of our nation's history. In fact, during World War II, the federal government actively encouraged American farmers to grow industrial hemp to help the war effort. The Department of Agriculture even produced a film “Hemp for Victory'' encouraging the plant's cultivation.
In recent years, the hemp plant has been put to many popular uses in foods and in industry. Grocery stores sell hemp seeds and oil as well as food products containing oil and seeds from the hemp plant. Industrial hemp is also included in consumer products such as paper, cloths, cosmetics, and carpet. One of the more innovative recent uses of industrial hemp is in the door frames of about 1.5 million cars. Hemp has even been used in alternative automobile fuel.
It is unfortunate that the federal government has stood in the way of American farmers, including many who are struggling to make ends meet, competing in the global industrial hemp market. Indeed, the founders of our nation, some of whom grew hemp, would surely find that federal restrictions on farmers growing a safe and profitable crop on their own land are inconsistent with the constitutional guarantee of a limited, restrained federal government. Therefore, I urge my colleagues to stand up for American farmers and cosponsor the Industrial Hemp Farming Act.
Are we a backwards Country, or what ?
The many benefits of raising hemp, would free us from many problems, be very cost effective, and yet we still turn our back on doing something that would benefit us all.
Its time to stop filling our Legal System with something as trivial as someone smoking POT.
But that would mean the Jack Booted Thugs would have to go after more Dangerous prey,..like real Criminals, that carry guns,.......
And the Loss of Revenue. | |
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| Obama and Medical Marijuana
Posted: 10/22/2009 12:58:49 PM | \\Attempting to rationally discuss anything with Nobushlover is the political equivalent of arguing with a 5 year old.\\
Aww... go easy on the poor fella, after all it is George Bush to blame for his condition...  | |
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| Obama and Medical Marijuana
Posted: 10/22/2009 1:59:59 PM |
To either "De-Criminalize",..or "Legalize",..would take all Profit out of our Law Enforcements Pockets.
Bravo! What people never consider is that crime provides funding.
I used to do the IT Consulting for our area's Drug Task Force and spent much time around the agents and administrators. I walked in there believing their focus was to "clean up the streets" and to eliminate drugs. By my last day there a few years later one thing was crystal clear and indisputible. It was about asset seizures plain and simple. If there had been no busts for a couple of months, the Master Sgt. was on the warpath about no funding coming in and chewed out the agents to go beat some bushes as though they were salesmen. It was a profit business! | |
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| Obama and Medical Marijuana
Posted: 10/22/2009 2:42:12 PM | I think the policy of not criminally prosecuting medical marijuana users is fine.
I don't have any problem with it. | |
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Posted: 10/22/2009 3:39:58 PM | I have a friend in Oregon at the coast,he is a registered grower for one cancer patient,in that berg it ,the system,actually works as it should,the one person is manufacturing medicine for a cancer patient.
Neighbors saw his plants,called the police,police showed up,he showed his papers,police looked over the crop,gave their business cards and said next time just call us if there is a problem,told him ,have a good day.Months later my friends home is robbed all they took was the pot,he called his police friends that gave the business cards and within a few weeks caught the guy,and get this,the robber went to jail for a serious charge of stealing medicine.How about that.
Friends this is how it should work,that grower who is a care provider and registered with the state should be treated in exactly the same way as a company that makes legal pharmaceuticals.
If it goes no further than medical marijuana,this is how it should work.I hope one day the country will stop their current practice thats all based on profit towards their coffers.Many states seizure laws make it ok to keep the property taken if eventually its proven the person was innocent,That should be criminal,not pot.Police have great latitude in the war on drugs,for instance if they find baggies in the kitchen they can make it a charge of selling pot not just using.Most charges are done for the maximum effect of the seizure laws,houses cars,vacation homes,its all linked into the pot by the police.Its legal robbery,it should be criminal not the pot.
In the last 30 years I have known four people that used pot for medicine,in 1979 my friend who was going through chemo,his hair had fallen out and is appetite was never there,in fact the chemo made him sick to his stomach and he vomited alot ,He took lots of expensive prescribed medicine and none gave him comfort,another friend got him to smoke a joint,he was not one that in his life had ever tried it,he immediately ate a meal,which was a miracle because he was becoming skeletal.He started smoking regular and his appetite came back 70 to 80% of the time,he gained weight back to a normal weight,and he had periods in the day where he could sleep,before the pot he laid restless with a sick stomach.This was decades before medical marijuana.I was so thankful he was finally able to find a medicine that worked,at the rate he was going he would have died,he would have died from complications of starvation and sleep deprivation. | |
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Posted: 10/22/2009 4:59:12 PM | My nephew is currently undergoing chemo and has access to medical marijuana but he says it sucks so he opted for pills instead. Somebody is making a lot of money.
A bottle of pills containing 60 pills is going for the incredibly low price of 420 bucks. You can but a much better grade and a much bigger quantity on the street. | |
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| Obama and Medical Marijuana
Posted: 10/22/2009 5:27:53 PM |
A bottle of pills containing 60 pills is going for the incredibly low price of 420 bucks
$420 huh? somebody is laughing up there sleeve somewhere over that number.
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Posted: 10/22/2009 6:59:50 PM | | It's incredible they could charge that much. Even street dealers don't vharge that much for processing pot into hash or oil. I have thought I might get into the brownie business. | |
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| Obama and Medical Marijuana
Posted: 10/22/2009 7:08:57 PM | Obama is about to drop the disclosure bomb... You know, the one about how extraterrestrials have been living surreptitiously amongst us since well prior to the incident at Roswell...
Advisers thought it best that he should at first lighten up on antiquated laws pertaining to marijuana... On the assumption that a more relaxed and stoned populace would tend not to freak out entirely... Would be more receptive to the news...
You believe me, doncha?... Sure you do...
And who was that pickin' on NoBushLover?... Our user names are always subject to ridicule and erroneous interpretation...
Hell's bells... I thought he just liked his ladies clean shaven... | |
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| Obama and Medical Marijuana
Posted: 10/22/2009 7:21:00 PM | KTLA
L.A. tries to speed up new law on medical marijuana dispensaries
October 22, 2009 | 2:12 pm
Medpot Left with no law controlling medical marijuana dispensaries in Los Angeles, the City Council now plans to take up its long-awaited ordinance as soon as the first week in November.
Councilman Greig Smith today decided not to hold a hearing in his Public Safety Committee and send the proposal straight to the council to speed it along.
Council President Eric Garcetti’s office indicated that it would not come up next week, but possibly the week after.
On Monday, a Superior Court judge ruled that the city’s moratorium had been illegally extended and issued an injunction that prevented the city from trying to shut down Green Oasis, a dispensary on Jefferson Boulevard west of the 405 Freeway.
City officials acknowledged the decision effectively made it impossible to enforce the ban against other dispensaries.
“I am very disappointed that the judge won't let us do our job,” Smith, the chairman of the Public Safety Committee, said earlier this week, adding that it would force the council to move quickly.
The council’s planning committee has spent years debating how to control dispensaries and just recently sent the proposed ordinance to Smith’s committee.
The measure, drafted by City Atty. Carmen Trutanich’s office, would prohibit sales of medical marijuana. In Smith's view, that means most dispensaries would be forced to close, including the 186 that the city allowed to operate despite adopting a moratorium on dispensaries in 2007.
“I would prefer to stop all sales of medical marijuana in the city, but the ordinance proposed by City Atty. Trutanich comes as close as the law will allow,” he said. Most dispensaries in the city sell marijuana and pay state sales taxes, though operators say the transactions are donations and they are just recouping their operating costs.
Both Trutanich and Los Angeles County Dist. Atty. Steve Cooley, however, believe that most, if not all, dispensaries are operated for profit. Under state law, collectives and cooperatives formed by patients and caregivers can cultivate marijuana, but must be nonprofit.
The proposed ordinance would require all the dispensaries that opened after the moratorium to close immediately, and bar them from reopening for six months. The original 186 dispensaries would be allowed to remain open for six months to give them time to comply with the rules. | |
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| Obama and Medical Marijuana
Posted: 10/25/2009 8:12:13 AM | The Obama haters need to stop expecting all the countries problems to be solved by Obama in his first year,dozens and dozens of the countries issues and problems take time.Grow some patience !
WASHINGTON - Attorney General Eric Holder directed federal prosecutors Monday to back away from pursuing cases
against medical-marijuana patients, signaling a broad policy shift.
The government's top lawyer said that in 14 states with some provisions for medical-marijuana use, federal prosecutors should focus only on cases involving higher-level drug traffickers, money launderers or people who use the state laws as a cover story.
The Justice Department action came days after the Senate's second-highest-ranking Democrat introduced a bill that would eradicate a two-decade-old sentencing disparity for people caught with cocaine in rock instead of powder form.
Taken together, experts say, the moves represent an approach favored by President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden to put new emphasis on violent crime and the sale of illicit drugs to children.
Legislation that would cover a third administration commitment, to support federal funding of needle exchanges, is moving through the House.
The announcement set off waves of support from advocacy groups that have long sought to relax the enforcement of marijuana laws. But some local police and GOP lawmakers criticized the change, saying it could exacerbate the flow of drug money to Mexican cartels, whose violence has spilled over the Southwest's border.
In a statement, Holder asserted that drug traffickers and people who use firearms will continue to be direct targets of federal prosecutors but that, on his watch, "it will not be a priority to use federal resources to prosecute patients with serious illnesses or their caregivers who are complying with state laws on medical marijuana."
The turnaround could pave the way for Rhode Island, New Mexico and Michigan to put together marijuana-distribution systems for residents in their states, according to Graham Boyd, director of the Drug Law Reform Project at the American Civil Liberties Union.
Advocates say marijuana use can help alleviate pain and stimulate appetite in patients suffering from cancer, HIV-AIDS and other ailments. But the American Medical Association since 2001 has held firm in opposing marijuana for medical purposes.
Under the Controlled Substances Act, which is more than three decades old, marijuana remains within the category of drugs most tightly restricted by the government.
Donna Lambert, who is awaiting criminal trial in San Diego County Superior Court in the providing of medical marijuana to another patient, provided a note of skepticism on Holder's announcement.
Lambert noted that senior administration officials earlier this year had made public comments in line with the Justice Department policy, only to have law-enforcement agencies, including the Drug Enforcement Administration, take part in raids soon afterward.
Ethan Nadelmann, executive director of the Drug Policy Alliance, said he and other advocates will watch closely whether federal agents refuse to participate in joint raids or send other signals to district attorneys in the states that allow some medical use of marijuana.
Americans for Safe Access, which supports medical-marijuana programs nationwide, estimated that during the Bush administration, federal authorities conducted 200 raids in California alone.
A 2005 U.S. Supreme Court case made clear that the federal government has the discretion to enforce federal drug laws even in states that have approved some relaxation of marijuana statutes for sick patients.
White House press secretary Robert Gibbs declined to address "what states should do" in response to the Justice Department guidance. But Gibbs said that Obama since January had outlined his medical-marijuana policy and that the Justice Department memo, signed by Deputy Attorney General David Ogden, helped fill in the details.
The administration stopped far short Monday of endorsing wholesale marijuana legalization, frustrating some activists.
At the libertarian Cato Institute, official Tim Lynch described the war on drugs as a "grand failure," exhorting the White House to take "much bolder steps to stop the criminalization of drug use more generally."
In the three-page memo, Ogden made clear that the department is not creating a new legal defense for people who may have violated the Controlled Substances Act. Instead, the memo is intended to guide prosecutors on where to train their scarce investigative resources. | |
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Posted: 10/25/2009 8:38:15 AM | | This and everything else should be left up to the states to decide. Anything not mentioned in the constitution that is. Like CA as a state can't ban guns if they want to be a part of the US. But they can and should be able to legalize drugs if they wanted to. Just don't expect to get free health care if you destroyed yourself doing drugs, eating bad, promiscuous sex, extreme sports, alcoholic, etc.... | |
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Posted: 10/25/2009 9:24:42 AM |
My nephew is currently undergoing chemo and has access to medical marijuana but he says it sucks so he opted for pills instead. Somebody is making a lot of money.
A bottle of pills containing 60 pills is going for the incredibly low price of 420 bucks. You can but a much better grade and a much bigger quantity on the street.
I am a medicinal user and altho I am in Canada ,the grade of goverment pot provided to me is crap. I have also taken the pills for the past year also and yes they are very expensive.
Here is a breakdown on my rights to medicinal marijuana for those interested :
-allowed to posses max of 90 grams on my person ( in case of travel from home)
-allowed 675 grams of dried pot in storage at home
-allowed to grow 15 plants at a time
-allowed to purchase dried pot and seeds from the goverment
-the goverment charges $150 PLUS tax per ounce
-the goverment charges $20 for 30 seeds
-delivery is right to my door.
When I recieved my first shipment I was excited to try "legal" weed. It consisted of broken up 'buds' that had a claim of 12.5 thc level .... the steet level of thc is unknown to me .
It was very dry and burned with no problems , slight arroma ,but nothing like the smell of street weed that smells like 'skunk' .
The effect was moderate at best with an effective range of about 1 hour....lower then street drugs and only 1/2 the 'punch' .
I wouldnt spend the money to try the goverment weed again...just wanted to see what they had.
I will however produce one of the strongest strains of pot for myself here at home
and can now do so without fear of being raided.
like Bob Dylan once said...
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Posted: 10/25/2009 10:37:47 AM |
Just don't expect to get free health care if you destroyed yourself doing drugs, eating bad, promiscuous sex, extreme sports, alcoholic, etc.... First off you can't destroy yourself from pot,no ones been hauled off in an ambulance because he did pot,no ones ever been hauled into an insane asylum because he smoked pot,your obviously talking actual hard drugs and alcohol on a medical marijuana thread.Anyways if you rule out all the things most the country does,then who are you insuring,heck you just ruled out 85% of the population just for eating bad.How is it up there in your perfect crystal palace,lonely I bet.You must talk of some Eden you hope for in this country,not the country you actually live in,heck in the Mormon capitol in the USA being Utah,it holds the record for the most online sex subscriptions in the country.You seem to mean some other country other than us.This Utopia you speak of. | |
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