| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/20/2009 10:37:31 AM |
During an interview, one of my friends clients was asked how she would cope having young children and all the travel the post she was applying for involved. She stopped the interview, asked if any of the male candidates had been asked the same question, walked out and went straight to her solicitor. They ended up paying out £30k in compensation!
This to me is a huge problem, as someone who does interviews, that you can't ask sometimes pertinent questions for the role and wanting reassurances they would be able to complete the requirements of the role in case they see it as sexist, ageist etc.
can I ask why neither you or the agency took this company to court? It is illegal to discriminate.......to say he wanted a "slimmer" woman was bad enough..but the fact that he said he wanted a "woman" was totally illegal and I would have thought the agency would have been very quick to pick up on this fact.
Surprised the agency was so honest as they represent the company and the client. I agree though the actions of the company seeking employees has acted badly and should and could've been sued. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/20/2009 10:37:40 AM |
During an interview, one of my friends clients was asked how she would cope having young children and all the travel the post she was applying for involved. She stopped the interview, asked if any of the male candidates had been asked the same question, walked out and went straight to her solicitor. They ended up paying out £30k in compensation!
The company concerned probably viewed it as money well spent. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/20/2009 10:45:45 AM | During an interview, one of my friends clients was asked how she would cope having young children and all the travel the post she was applying for involved. She stopped the interview, asked if any of the male candidates had been asked the same question, walked out and went straight to her solicitor. They ended up paying out £30k in compensation!
errm, maybe im a bit slow or is that the point of interviews? i mean she must of informed them that she had young children? and me being me would of asked the same, as looking after both the companys and the childrens interest.
after reading that statement, its a good job ive put this forum up, shows how tetchy people are when they dont get there own way in the job market. if in doubt sue, sue and sue. wonder if anyone could earn a living like that? 30k would last me about 3 years giving me 200 quid pocket money every week ..... im off down the job centre with me walking stick after the tempory postmans position  | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/20/2009 11:06:40 AM | No it isn't the point of inteviews ! The only consideration that should be given is if they are the best candidate for the job
it's illegal to ask any applicant about child care plans for any job.............their home life is private and it should be assumed that if they couldn't do the job they wouldn't have applied for it in the first place.
Employers wouldn't even think to ask a man applying for a position about his child care arrangements - it is therefore a case of discrimination to ask a woman. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/20/2009 11:07:39 AM | | it seems "socially acceptable" to degrade and have a go at smokers it seems.. so why is it "un-pc" to have a go at those who are obese? you will kill yourself far quicker with obesity then you would with smoking..heck even drinking is worse for you then smoking but yet the smokers get the most flack? huh, ironic. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/20/2009 11:13:23 AM |
My weight gain was due to despression and comfort eating.
I am now between a size 14 and 16 I will lose weight as my current weight gain is due to stress and a really bad year along with pnd.
As stated weight gain unless due to a medical condition is no excuse or anybody else problem other than our own laziness.
Depression and laziness aren't the same thing. I've put on weight over the last year and a half, not due to laziness but due to factors such as an arm break and other things that were going on in my life. If I had been someone who was slim and could eat what they wanted and do nil exercise, I could have broken my arm, stopped exercising and no one would have known the difference.
I put on weight easily, very easily and normally I do a lot of exercise but that was curtailed due to the broken arm and depression. I wasn't eating more but I wasn't exercising so the weight went on. Some people are able to eat what they want and not gain weight, I'm not one of them, that doesn't make me lazy, my weight has fluctuated throughout my life and always will.
People don't need to be stuffing themselves with food day in day out to gain weight.
I have family members who can eat until it's coming out of their ears and they won't gain a pound, they won't be viewed as lazy because they are thin.
Fat does not automatically = lazy. Neither does thin = healthy. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/20/2009 12:55:10 PM |
Employers wouldn't even think to ask a man applying for a position about his child care arrangements - it is therefore a case of discrimination to ask a woman.
Actually it's called "Being Real" but that's not allowed anymore.
What a croc of sh*te this country is becoming | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/20/2009 2:14:30 PM | why is it "being real"?
two people apply for the same executive job, both have had successful careers and are climbing the corporate ladder........why should one be asked if she has a baby sitter for late board room meetings and the other one not? | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/20/2009 5:30:37 PM | It's been suggested that there should be an extra tax or Excise Duty on certain unhealthy foods. In particular on fast foods such as McDonalds. In some ways this might force outlets such as these to modify their menus to produce meals of lower total calorific count with healthier ingredients. Hard to police and what would it do for our traditional fish & chips? Also at some times in some physical jobs - you need the calories.
However it would be easy to put extra tax on crisps and chocolate and buscuits and anything with more than X% total fat content.
Certainly travelling round the country - the traditional transport cafes - where you could buy a meat and 2/3 veg lunch at a decent price are now getting rarer - having been bulldozed and dire expensive service areas with fast food outlets put in their places.
Our high streets are full of kebab shops and pizza outlets and in some places (ironically including villages in the countryside) buying fresh veg and buying it at reasonable prices is near impossible. Whilst supermarkets have brought down the price of food overall, they are invariably more expensive than traditional greengrocers and these have declined with the supermarket's growth.
So what's the answer to getting obesity down? Is it education, compulsion or persuasion? | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/21/2009 12:02:38 AM | i don't mind the larger people.. but i do mind the one's who eat and eat and moan about it, or more specifically the ones who sue the companies for making them fat..
silly people. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/21/2009 12:20:13 AM | | Another reason put weight on is down to the medication they are on....anti psychotic for instance increase a persons appetite and along with the low motivation that happens to those experiencing psychosis sufferers can easily put on 3 stone within months. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/21/2009 12:27:18 AM | if you want to lose weight, you will.. if you want to sit on the internet and make up excuses for not losing weight, then you will. It doesn't matter what size you are, stop crying about being obese and get on with solving the problem.
Get off ya kiester and start doing the leg work, nothing in this life that is easy to obtain is worth having.. the best things in life you fight for. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/21/2009 12:53:03 AM | | I love how any objection to ripping the p1ss out of people who don't conform to society's model of what is beautiful is dismissed with the generic 'PC Brigade' sneer. Of course, we all know that poking fun out of and judging others on their appearance stems from insecurity and a desperate need for all critical observation to be diverted from one's own shortcomings. If you think standing there cracking jokes about someone because they have red hair or aren't or are stick thin is the height of wit then you seriously need to consider acquiring yourself some decent patter. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/21/2009 1:15:59 AM | I really don't care what size someone is as long as they are happy. If you are fat and unhappy then do something if you're not then don't worry your heads with others preconceptions.
I was bullied at school for being "ginger", others were bullied for being fat or having bad acne, its part of growing up this isn't America we don't need to go on shows to say "you made me cry 15yrs ago look at me now", this is England we swallow and move on.
I don't judge someone for being fat but I do judge someone for how they treat others who they think they are superior to based on their size or looks. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/21/2009 1:38:58 AM |
Would I employ a 'fat' labourer .....no is my answer.
I need someone to be quick and agile and like it or like it not the appearance of someone overweight turning up for a very active job isn't the image I want to portray to the client...........it could give doubt to their capabilities and lose me the job!!
I believe in employing the best suited person for the job and If that criteria is affected by size then so be it same as smokers, sex, etc etc.
Practicality over PC claptrap anyday !!
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/21/2009 2:24:19 AM |
I believe in employing the best suited person for the job and If that criteria is affected by size then so be it same as smokers, sex, etc etc.
That's how it should be. Maybe the pc brigade are worrying about employers who are prejudiced against weight and refuse them a job that weight doesn't affect their ability to do it.
One of the staff at my gym would be classed as over-weight on 1st sight, however I know she's way fitter than many there and she certainly leaves me standing, and yet if you looked at the 2 of us on the street you'd probably say that I was the healthier and fitter, being slimmer. It's just that she naturally is heavier than me (probably by a good few stone), but she's most definately way fitter. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/21/2009 2:39:14 AM | That's how it should be. Maybe the pc brigade are worrying about employers who are prejudiced against weight and refuse them a job that weight doesn't affect their ability to do it.
Same could be said of false teeth, baldness, long hair or anything else you could care to mention.
It could be argued that we are all discriminated against in one way or another.
How many people have been promoted on their personalities, attractiveness or because they get on better with the boss rather than it offered to a better 'qualified' colleague?
Personally I've been in many jobs in the past where my 'face didn't fit' and moved on to other jobs where it did !! | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/21/2009 3:50:12 AM |
It doesn't matter what size you are, stop crying about being obese and get on with solving the problem.
Surely this is a contradiction. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/21/2009 5:11:15 AM | I am not the tallest of men but throughout many years have been active and fit. Circumstances like working late very often and making excuses for not excercising meant I piled on a few pounds (ok, a few stone). Like an earlier post I have to excercise to maintain my weight, it creeps up quite easily. I saw myself in a few pictures and realised I had no more excuses. I have never seen it as a disease. Some people who are very large make the decision to do something about it…that is called will power. Just like alcoholics and drug users, turning things around is hugely difficult, but not impossible.
As for being discriminated against…would you employ someone who you knew was a drug addict or an alcoholic remembering what job you were employing them for. I feel it would be negligent of an employer to give someone a job because they didn’t want to offend.
Regardless of how difficult, someone with a weight problem can do something about it one way or another. Even if there are other underlying problems advice and help are there if its asked for. Going for the discrimination card is straight out of suing McDonalds for putting on weight! Sorry, but thats my view anyway! | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/21/2009 5:25:07 AM |
if you want to lose weight, you will.. if you want to sit on the internet and make up excuses for not losing weight, then you will. It doesn't matter what size you are, stop crying about being obese and get on with solving the problem.
Get off ya kiester and start doing the leg work, nothing in this life that is easy to obtain is worth having.. the best things in life you fight for.
Correct but as I said earlier, sometimes things happen that make it impossible for you to exercise to the same level as before. Before I broke my arm I was doing classes 6 nights out of 7 and sometimes double classes, at least 14 hours of exercise a week, high impact stuff.
I was also running, swimming. I wouldn't have been allowed in an exercise class with my arm in plaster, neither could I swim. I was also very wary of starting doing classes too early incase I did any damage to my arm. I also had other things going on in my life that affected my confidence. It's a catch 22 sometimes, you put weight on so it affects your confidence badly and the things that used to be enjoyable get harder to do.
I haven't seen many people on here sitting making excuses for putting on weight, what I have seen is people saying why they find it hard to lose weight. Or why they gain weight in the first place, not all of it to do with sitting pigging out. I've been back doing classes for about 3 months now. I've also done 4 fitness qualifications this year, with another 2 to go before the end of the year, I've run 2 5ks and I found them much harder obviously than I would have 18 months ago.
So I'm not sitting on my backside doing nothing about it, I'm trying to get my fitness back to what it was and it might take me another 6 months, possibly longer, but I'll get there. What I'm also not doing, is giving myself a hard time for not being as fit as I was, it will come in time. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/21/2009 5:25:55 AM |
Same could be said of false teeth, baldness, long hair or anything else you could care to mention.
It could be argued that we are all discriminated against in one way or another.
But you don't have threads like this telling everyone with baldness that it's their own fault and they should just go grow some more hair, do you. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/21/2009 5:44:51 AM |
But you don't have threads like this telling everyone with baldness that it's their own fault and they should just go grow some more hair, do you.
Unfortunately you will get those that will go off topic on a Fat bashing Crusade so lets not forget the point in question is about discrimination of which you will find many threads including baldness etc on here.
HTH | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/21/2009 7:33:22 AM |
their home life is private and it should be assumed that if they couldn't do the job they wouldn't have applied for it in the first place.
Mizphitz, i think your being unrealistic here, lots of people will apply for the job, that doesn't mean they will be A) good at it B)Qualified for it or C)have the correct circumstance.
the only reason they would ask is because she has mentioned the children, therefore she has made it a point within the interview, nor do i think it was their intention to upset her, i believe they were asking a legitamate question, regardless of what your high horse believes,
and i think you'll find if it was a man, the same questions would be asked.
if this person was going to struggle to come into work/not be punctual because of childcare issures that comes under your own words for "best candadite for the job"
nor do we know the full information, if this was a single mother i would want to know the possible issues that would come with employing her, if she was not, perhaps they just wanted to make sure the job was suitable in not only her best interest and her childrens best interest, but also for filling a positin she may be temperaraly in for a month before she decides its not suitable. theirs always a bigger picture, not just the one in front of a persons own eyes.
but now were really of topic and imma gonna be handed a ban yay.... | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/21/2009 8:00:19 AM | I do wish people wouldtn tar everyone with the same brush
Not all people are " fat " cos they ate all the pies
some people are larger cos drugs they take for an illness made them that way
or there maybe some other reason
Im not excusing those who do eat too much and exercise less than they should
Some people like me are overweight , for various reasons ,, no one has a right to judge
and as for not wanting to employ at overweight person , thats discrimnination , just because someone is larger , doesnt mean they cant do the job !
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/21/2009 8:11:29 AM | Smokers pretty much force anyone in thier local vincinity to share with in the vice. Only smokers want to sit in a room that smells terrible and has a haze. Not to mention people with asthma can struggle in smokey rooms, the smell of the smoke clings to non smokers not to mention the possibility that secondary smoke can increase the risk of lung disease.
That is why people are "have a go" at smokers. Being obese is pretty much only damaging to the individual (accepting the stresses of partners, friends and families it can cause). Drinking on the other hand should be regulated more closely, not letting numpties with a violent streak near the stuff would be a good place to start. | |
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