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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade? Posted: 10/21/2009 8:17:54 AM | Why do “some” people make the mistake of assuming “fat” people are overweight simply because they are lazy or just eat a lot?
For most of my childhood I had a lack of interest in anything food related and was often dragged down to my GP to find out why I wouldn’t eat my grandmother was pretty obsessive about it and I think that was part of my problem.
I use to dance and spent most of my childhood & teenager years dancing and doing competitions. I had my first son just before my 21 birthday and my second son just over 3 years after and never really went back down to my pre-birth size in fact I am plus size now and extremely content with my size and shape. I don’t have a sweet tooth I am both vegetarian and vegan, work hard and have been a single mom for years I don’t have time to be lazy! I don’t sit watching TV 24/7 stuffing bars of chocolate down my throat. Assumption is the mother of all evils! | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade? Posted: 10/21/2009 9:46:52 AM | who was assuming all fat people are greedy and lazy? i certainly mentioned that it is a cause of obesity, not the soul problem. and i draw a really clear line between people who have got a little extra weight, which is all good really, and someone who is 70 stone. their is a line. a thin one? haw haw .. anyone ?? no-one?? bugger....
if you can get out of bed without aid, go to she shops, look after kids, have a shower unaided then you do not have a problem, i believe when we talk about obesity, i certainly aint going to go running for a BMI chart, obease to me is someone who can't function in their day to day life unaided | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade? Posted: 10/21/2009 4:23:52 PM | BMI is a generalist 'yardstick' and unreliable. It was abandoned by the British Army for that reason decades ago. Despite the fallacy promoted by some fatties of 'big bones' people of the same height can have big differences in leg length and skeletal dimensions - e.g shoulder blade to shoulder blade. Muscle is also heavier than fat - which has led to BMI classing some ultra-fit atheletes as 'obese'.
There are more reliable measurements - including the measurement of fat at differing points of the body using calipers - which is far more reliable. If someone in the medical profession or doing a test for insurance tells you you are obese and you know you are not - insist on a proper measurement of your body fat. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade? Posted: 10/23/2009 8:51:01 AM | the person being overweight is only a side issue, the bigger problem is the fact theres people out there trying to dictate who they have got to employ. which in my opoinon is leading this country on the road to ruin. its upto the company who they employ, not some equal rights tree hugging gravy train group.
imagine a scenario, a job vacancy, one black woman, black man, asian woman, asian man, white woman, white man, then all the same but obesce. all the same as in qualifications and experience. the company wouldnt know who to employ and be contacting their lawyers for the impending law suits. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade? Posted: 10/23/2009 11:46:55 AM | being fat is largely a lifestyle choice.
I know some people can't avoid it but I'm pretty sure that most fatties could lose weight if they really wanted / needed to. So fatism is OK by me!
Height-ism is the one that gets my blood boiling. Why can some airlines be allowed to charge extra for a seat with more legroom when their standard seats are too bloody cramped for anyone over 'average' height?
I didn't ask to be tall, I can't lose some height by going on a diet, it wasn't a 'lifestyle choice'......... but if I want a comfy seat on a plane I have to pay extra for it!!!  | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade? Posted: 10/23/2009 11:53:11 AM | Jimmy Carr says, "This fat woman in the crowd started having a go at me for not only being sexist and racist, also also fattist. I said no love, I think you will find that you're fattest!"
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade? Posted: 10/23/2009 12:08:00 PM |
Why can some airlines be allowed to charge extra for a seat with more legroom when their standard seats are too bloody cramped for anyone over 'average' height?
Not enough legroom for someone of under the average height too.My ex is 5ft1 and she barely had room for her legs especially when the person infront insisted on recling their seat.I put my legs in the aisle even though we paid extra for legroom we didnt get it. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade? Posted: 10/24/2009 3:50:33 AM | If someone is so fat they are incapable of doing the job they shouldn't be interviewing for it. For instance a roofer has to climb up and down ladders all day carrying slates/tiles etc he would need to be fit not fat to do that, a lifeguard at a swimming pool would need to be fit enough to drag you out from drowning fat or not, an air hostess needs to get down the very narrow aisles and possibly save your life in an emergency so I can understand all those types of scenarios and why a larger person wouldn't be employed.
Secretaries, lawyers, bus drivers, newsagents, journos etc etc etc all jobs where your size isn't important shouldn't be using "fat'ism" as an excuse not to employ someone just because they dont find them personally attractive, that is however their choice.
Some larger people have bad diets are lazy etc etc and some are genuine cases through illness, disease etc how are we to know the difference? i find it easier to not be prejudice, abusive or make judgements about people based on their size until I know their circumstances. I wish more people on this forum could say the same. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade? Posted: 10/24/2009 6:52:46 AM | | we had option yearly medicals at work ,i went for 3 years. 2 years they said good except for smoking ,the 3rd year they said watch your weight i said what i was 7st 12 lbs 5ft 2inchs ,i thould F--- to you never went again . so i do not think my employers were very good and i was not over weight ,lots of thin people have heart attacks , | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade? Posted: 10/24/2009 7:07:58 AM | I wish those people who can gain weight by not eating would open their hearts to people in places like Africa and teach them how to be fat without eating....anyone with the skill to live and not eat owes the rest of humanity.
The laws of physics state that energy(calories) must have a source..energy cannot be created from nothing...people do gain and loose weight at different rates and it may take a very long time to loose weight,but if a fat person was locked in a gym for a year and could only eat fruits and vegatables and had to earn them by exercising that person would exit that gym a year later a whole lot thinner than when they went in.
I don't care what anyone but me weights,it's none of my business, but when the whinning starts such as the way people treat me,can't get a date ect,ect it's time to step up and take responsability for the choices you make. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade? Posted: 10/25/2009 9:12:27 AM | My mum said it right when she said the following:
"overweight people are villified the way drink drivers used to be"...
she is so right, for some reason people have come to accept drink driving as normal, fat people are an easy whipping post, and yes I am not a size ten, but I go to the gym 4 times a week, and rarely use the NHS, much unlike my skinny best friend!
If I thought no man would find me attractive because I have a big ass and broad shoulders,then I wouldn't be on here, but thankfully I have family and friends even exes who have told me otherwise, and it only saddens me that some people dont have that same support group! | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade? Posted: 10/25/2009 9:25:28 AM | I totally agree with your mum.
It seems to me that in this ever more PC society, where we are not allowed to discriminate, any comment against ethnic communities and we are branded "racists" , where free speech is curtailed in case anyone is "offended", fat people are being made the scape goats ........no one bats an eye lid at fat jokes, every one thinks it's ok to point and laugh at the fat kid....it's as if us fatties are societies whipping boy at the moment. Poke fun at almost any member of society and you'll most likely end up in court ...........but poke fun at an obese person and everyone laughs and thinks you are oh so witty it's as if being fat makes us a "non" person........the brunt of stupid "stop eating pies" comments and endless lectures on how lazy we are.....I for one am sick of it.
Oh and, if it's all down to what we eat , and nothing to do with any other factors, can someone explain to me why, when following the same diet programme I loose half a pound a week, yet others in the same group, eating the same food loose 4-5lb a week.....? They drink alcohol.....I don't......I swim 3-4 times a week.......they don't...
Perhaps some of the "experts" here can explain it to me ? | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade? Posted: 10/25/2009 3:39:31 PM | [
My mum said it right when she said the following:
"overweight people are villified the way drink drivers used to be"...
How can it be slander when it is true? However, To comment on obesity in a cruel way is not acceptable.
We all have different metabolisms, eat too much exercise too little and we get fat. Eat the right amount and exercise enough and you don't. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade? Posted: 10/25/2009 3:47:06 PM | | If it's so shocking - why is the government and NHS running campaigns to encourage people to stay near their ideal weight, eat healthy foods and exercise? Because being overweight is unhealthy? Because obese people make undue demands on health resources? Or just pandering to prejudice? | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade? Posted: 10/25/2009 5:13:07 PM | ^^^ or claiming incapacity benefits for an illness brought on by their own laziness, look it is simple you stuff your face with fatty foods day after day you will pile on the pounds. Piling on the pounds causes undue stress to your body, why feel sorry for someone who has caused their own misery and disassociating from the world. With all due respect FAT is not beautifull, i do not see anything beautifull when i look in the mirror and i see my mommy tummy or woman walking around with more spare tyres than Watling tyres! And you can not call three extra midrifs curvy.
Get real FAT is not beautifull no matter how you try to wrap it up or tie a bow around it and neither is extreme skinny. The fact that people are trying to force society to accept fat people as the norm is unacceptable. There is nothing wrong with having a healthy lifestyle or a decent balance. But eating wrong and shoving the wrong kinds of foods into your body and your childrens is WRONG.
And if I have to hear one more woman turn around and say well it is the inside that counts or well i love myself for the way I look. You are so delusional and lying to yourself. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade? Posted: 10/26/2009 8:53:31 AM | Alexis... thats harsh, but its your POV after all.
as i have said their is a line between a little extra weight and real obesity, i've dated a size 18 lass, and she was great fun and full of life, didn't eat fatty foods, and generaly kept healthy, she could live life without the assistance of another person, and i think it really boils down to that, i have no issue with people who are overweight, but when their weight stops them from leading an independant life then thats the time to call it quits and do something about it.
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade? Posted: 10/26/2009 9:07:55 AM | Tried to avoid this thread... I'm saying nothing, Here's some lovely science... Mmmmm science.......!!
From: http://health.howstuffworks.com/health-illness/wellness/physical-fitness/weight-loss/calorie1.htm
What is a Calorie? A calorie is a unit of energy. We tend to associate calories with food, but they apply to anything containing energy. For example, a gallon (about 4 liters) of gasoline contains about 31,000,000 calories. Specifically, a calorie is the amount of energy, or heat, it takes to raise the temperature of 1 gram of water 1 degree Celsius (1.8 degrees Fahrenheit). One calorie is equal to 4.184 joules, a common unit of energy used in the physical sciences. Most of us think of calories in relation to food, as in "This can of soda has 200 calories." It turns out that the calories on a food package are actually kilocalories (1,000 calories = 1 kilocalorie). The word is sometimes capitalized to show the difference, but usually not. A food calorie contains 4,184 joules. A can of soda containing 200 food calories contains 200,000 regular calories, or 200 kilocalories. A gallon of gasoline contains 31,000 kilocalories. The same applies to exercise -- when a fitness chart says you burn about 100 calories for every mile you jog, it means 100 kilocalories. For the duration of this article, when we say "calorie," we mean "kilocalorie."
and from: http://galileoandeinstein.physics.virginia.edu/lectures/momentum.html
Energy is the ability to do work. ...... Technically, work is done when a force pushes something and the object moves some distance in the direction it’s being pushed (pulled is ok, too). Consider lifting the box of books to a high shelf. If you lift the box at a steady speed, the force you are exerting is just balancing off gravity, the weight of the box, otherwise the box would be accelerating. (Of course, initially you’d have to exert a little bit more force to get it going, and then at the end a little less, as the box comes to rest at the height of the shelf.) It’s obvious that you will have to do twice as much work to raise a box of twice the weight, so the work done is proportional to the force you exert. It’s also clear that the work done depends on how high the shelf is. Putting these together, the definition of work is:
work = force x distance
So to summarize: A calorie is a unit of energy Energy is the ability to do work. work = force x distance.
If you take in more calories than you are using, you store the excess. If you use more calories than you take in, you use up the stored excess.
Admittedly, some of this is rocket science!
Thank you for your patience. Normal service will resume ASAP....
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade? Posted: 10/26/2009 9:27:27 AM |
If it's so shocking - why is the government and NHS running campaigns to encourage people to stay near their ideal weight, eat healthy foods and exercise? Because being overweight is unhealthy? Because obese people make undue demands on health resources? Or just pandering to prejudice? Because if current trends continue, 50% of the population of the uk will be seriously obese (not just a bit fat) by 2050. Graphs showing incidence of heart disease, some cancers and type-2 diabetes to name just a few follow the same curve as the increase in obesity curve, These diseases are expensive to treat, hence the government's and Primary Care trusts' view that the should tackle the problem now to save money later.
^^^ or claiming incapacity benefits for an illness brought on by their own laziness, look it is simple you stuff your face with fatty foods day after day you will pile on the pounds. Piling on the pounds causes undue stress to your body, why feel sorry for someone who has caused their own misery and disassociating from the world. With all due respect FAT is not beautifull, i do not see anything beautifull when i look in the mirror and i see my mommy tummy or woman walking around with more spare tyres than Watling tyres! And you can not call three extra midrifs curvy.
Get real FAT is not beautifull no matter how you try to wrap it up or tie a bow around it and neither is extreme skinny. The fact that people are trying to force society to accept fat people as the norm is unacceptable. There is nothing wrong with having a healthy lifestyle or a decent balance. But eating wrong and shoving the wrong kinds of foods into your body and your childrens is WRONG.
And if I have to hear one more woman turn around and say well it is the inside that counts or well i love myself for the way I look. You are so delusional and lying to yourself. Yes - harsh it may be, but it's true. The reality is that changing behaviour, i.e. eating less (and better) and moving about more sounds simple but is really difficult to do - as with any kind of behavioural change. It's a lot easier for many people who have problems with weight management to challenge the medical evidence, bring up the tired old "PC Brigade" rants and claim they're victims of prejudice instead. However, it's been shown time and time again that there is no such thing as physical pre-disposition to being overweight. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade? Posted: 10/26/2009 12:59:42 PM | It doesn't matter what you are, if someone finds a fault they are going to pick on it, and those that are being picked on will find a way of dealing with it
Unfortunately, in this country in particular, it's un-politically correct to just about breathe, so taking the proverbial wee out of people is just about impossible unless you do it in a comedy style, that way you can pretty much slander anyone and have people laugh too! | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade? Posted: 10/26/2009 5:06:38 PM | Energy(calories) cannot be created or generated from nothing....calories must have a source,excess calories come from a an excess of food | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade? Posted: 10/26/2009 5:20:37 PM | There are reasons other that sitting eating day in day out why people put weight on. Thyroid problems being one of them.
: An underactive thyroid condition occurs when the thyroid gland fails to produce sufficient amounts of the thyroid hormones that help regulate the body’s metabolism.
A lack of these hormones decreases metabolism, causing symptoms such as weight gain, tiredness, depression, poor concentration, dry skin and constipation – all things you’re likely to be familiar with. Fortunately though, as you have discovered, thyroid disorders can be controlled by medication.
Many people with an underactive thyroid gain a lot of weight before a diagnosis is made or if the condition is poorly controlled. But if you are being prescribed the correct dose of thyroxine, there’s no reason why you can’t lose weight through sensible eating and taking more exercise.
However, you should bear in mind that treatment with thyroxine doesn’t result in an immediate recovery – it can take up to nine months for the symptoms to improve and even longer for you to feel better.
Also, if people are heavier and happy with that, that is entirely their choice. I know people who are a size 18-20, who look good in what they wear and are perfectly happy with how they look. Just because some people don't think that's appropriate or attractive doesn't mean that people shouldn't have the confidence to be who they are.
Some people have the confidence to be happy in their own skin and if someone is happy at a size 6 fine, if they are happy at a size 20, also fine. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade? Posted: 10/26/2009 6:51:00 PM | Just to clarify, underactive Thyroid CAN cause weight gain, but can also cause weight loss, it's not totally clear cut. I went to doc, due to family pressure (they thought my Thyroid was overactive) and found out it was the opposite. My Thyroid is underactive and quite significantly and they up my Thyroxine every year. I am not fat - obviously my body overlooked that part of the diagnosise.
My mother also has an underactive Thyroid, and my daughter. Mum is just soooo glad that she is finally able to stay above 7 1/2 stone (she is little tho).
I do agree that if people are happy and healthy with their weight then that is fine. They should not be kicked for it. Then again, why should obese people be excused, smokers have been villified, as are drinkers. It used to be ok to smoke, now it isn't, it used to be the norm to drink and drive, now it isn't. It used to be ok to be 'very' fat, now it isn't. Live with the consequences - or die with them. That's life. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade? Posted: 10/27/2009 5:48:12 AM | To answer the OP...
I am not exactly stick thin...infact I am quite the opposite. I am not obese and I am very active but I am still over weight and there is no getting away from that fact lol. I fully accept that there are some jobs in which weight is an issue and I have no problem with that. For example I couldn't be a police officer or a fire woman because I am simply not fit enough. I would have an issue if I applied for a job that did not require manual labour...for example an office job and they had an issue with weight as it would have no bearing on my ability to do that job.
I have worked as a support worker for adults with learning disabilities which at times was hard. One of the ladies I supported had serious weight issues which meant that she found stairs hard to negotiate, she was eating huge proportions of bad foods but because of the nature of my job I was only able to inform her of the bad choices. I also found it hard because how can I preach to someone about healthy eating when I myself am over weight.
To be honest on the whole PC issue, I personally dont want or need people treating me as though I have a medical condition and walking on egg shells. I am very happy the way I am and if others are not then that is down to them and not me. My weight does not affect my health or my ability to do activities with my daughter (and soon to be second child) and infact as far as I am concerned it does not hold me back. I am not going to sit here and say oh I eat all the right food, I exercise etc etc but I am still over weight because that is not true. I do sometimes eat the wrong sorts of foods and I could do more in the way of exercise. However, I will say that I have been overweight all my life. I seem to have inherited that from my parents. both myself and my brother have issues and my sisters (one of which is no longer with us) were and are 5ft 11 and a size 8!!
I am confident with the body I have and I am content with the life I have.
Just to clarify that above is MY personal point of view and I am not suggesting or implying that I think larger people are lazy or over eat. | |
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