| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/27/2009 12:10:59 PM |
Why do “some” people make the mistake of assuming “fat” people are overweight simply because they are lazy or just eat a lot? Because the truth of the matter is you are what you eat, it has nothing to do with your genetic make up, and there is no such disease that makes you fat. Nobody shoves a fork in your mouth.
If you eat too much or the wrong type of food and do not exercise you will become fat. Obesity is down to the eating habits of the individual. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/27/2009 2:42:54 PM | Obesity is down to the eating habits of the individual.
ah yet another expert in sweeping generalisations!
go tell that to a friend of mine who lost 2 stone 2 weeks after the docs decided to change her****ail of medication for various medical conditions....her weight ballooned out of control not because her diet changed but because of the drugs she was prescribed.
That arguement is as stupid as telling a skinny person to go eat a few meat pies.......no matter how much my mother eats NEVER put on weight and boy can she put it away...in her younger days she was never more than 6 -7 stone..even now aged 70 she still eats twice the amount I do, everything is fried, she eats real butter, full fat milk, hardly eats fruit n veg...she eats a whole bag of scampi with a stick of french bread as a snack in the evenigns and she's still only a size 12-14! | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/27/2009 2:52:18 PM | It's not. My mum is also one of these people who can eat what she likes and not put on weight. She's 60 and 9 and a half stones and that is the heaviest she's been her whole adult life.
She's struggled all her life to put weight on. I have a mate who isn't fat by any manner of means, but he puts weight on easily, he went on holiday 2 weeks ago and came back half a stone heavier.
He was away for 4 days. I know people who are 7 stones and who eat junk to try and put weight on. All day long.
So if it was just about what you eat all these skinny people would be gaining weight. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/27/2009 5:36:13 PM | Well, according to my BMI I am obese - does not make me feel great in general but then I know that BMI alone is a lot of bollocks as it just calculates height (I am short) and weight not looking where that weight it. Lots of mine is on my ermmm top so I guess a reduction surgery would put me in a healthy weight range LOL | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/27/2009 6:24:40 PM | Fat people should quit playing the victim, change their diet, and exercise regulary. Simple.
go tell that to a friend of mine who lost 2 stone 2 weeks after the docs decided to change her****ail of medication for various medical conditions....her weight ballooned out of control not because her diet changed but because of the drugs she was prescribed Without seeing a picture of your friend or knowing her height and weight I can't assume whether she is obese or not. Could it be that she has put on weight because of the medication but would not be classed as 'obese'. I don't make sweeping generalisations, I forgot to mention in my original "sweeping statement" that certain medical conditions and drugs can cause weight fluctuations. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/28/2009 11:41:40 AM |
A calorie is a unit of energy
Energy is the ability to do work.
work = force x distance.
If you take in more calories than you are using, you store the excess.
If you use more calories than you take in, you use up the stored excess.
Admittedly, some of this is rocket science!
In physics, it really is that simple.
Unfortunately, the human body does not comply to the simple rules of physics, being a biological machine.
If it were really that simple, would there be the constant research into obesity and weight loss?
There are many factors involved in eating and getting fat (or not), more than just the simple act of putting food in your mouth.
Those who have an addiction have the added obstacle of being unable to turn away completely from the source of their addiction. Unlike the drinker or the gambler, the thing to which they are addicted is essential to life.
Some people will go through life never having any issue at all with their weight, others struggle every day in an attempt to keep their weight under some sort of control. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/28/2009 12:15:10 PM |
Unlike the drinker or the gambler, the thing to which they are addicted is essential to life.
Without addressing individual cases, it is possible to generalise here; what many people classify as essentials such as Coke and Pepsi of course aren't. Neither are crisps, sweets and other junk foods - yet the quantities in which some people consume this stuff is staggering. If people seriously want to manage their weight more effectively, their junk food intake should be zero.
A common misconception is that people only have to cut down on fatty foods to manage their weight. What many do though is replace high fat content foods with high sugar content foods. Net result - no weight loss through diet change.
Some people will go through life never having any issue at all with their weight, others struggle every day in an attempt to keep their weight under some sort of control
The assumption underlying that statement is that all other factors in peoples' lives are equal, and they virtually never are. Aside from differences in diet, some people are naturally more sedentary than others. People who fidget will burn up to 350 cal a day more than those who don't - so whilst it may appear that some people find it easier to lose weight than others - they're already moving more before making any conscious effort to weight management.
So if you're not one of those people who's constantly tapping their foot or pacing up and down - you may appear to find weight management more difficult, though on the plus side you'll probably be far less irritating | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/28/2009 1:08:19 PM | Yeah sure there are fat people who are fat cus they eat a lot, but there are other considerations to be taken into account
I spent most of my time during my school years with both my parents working 14 hour days, I didnt have a clue what to eat/how to cook it, so i just used to snack all the time, also i had to put up with what my mum threw together when she went shopping (please note im not blaming them, they've given me a life beyond what i could wish for)..........
But now i've been living on my own for 2 years i dropped by about 3 or 4 stone.
Metabolism and circumstance play a part too
Dont get me wrong, ill be fattist (i.e. in a piss taking way), and im pretty plump still. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/28/2009 5:41:06 PM |
Fat people should quit playing the victim, change their diet, and exercise regularly. Simple
sadly it isn't that simple at all.
Food manufactures have a lot to answer for, even when eating so called healthy "low fat" foods, the consumer is often unaware that what they are eating is actually pumped full of sugars. Food labeling in this country is farce, they are inconsistent and the food companies massage the recommended daily allowance figures to suit them. ie the RDA for refined sugar is often combined with the RDA of natural sugars, so when the food label tells us we are getting a third of our RDA by eating their product, it actually contains more than half the RDA.
That is just one example of how manufacturers/supermarkets con us into thinking we are eating "healthily" when all we are doing is filling our bodies with food cramped with cheap bulking agents.
Also, just for a minute imagine you are have a serious, life threatening drug/drink addiction...then imagine that every where you went you were surrounded by pushers.......every desk at work was full of your favorite drug/drink of choice....every tv programme you watched showed you how to make your favorite drug/drink of choice even more appealing, experts showing you how to prepare huge "feasts" to enjoy with your family and friends.........every where you turned there were adverts encouraging you to buy more and more drugs/drink.. by one get one free offers in every shop.....and...on top of that......to survive you had to take just the right amount ...not too much/too little...but the exact amount of your addictive substance just to remain alive.
Substitute the word "food " in every day life for the words "heroine" or "crack cocaine".............does it still seem just "simple" for us fatties to kick our addiction? | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/28/2009 5:56:35 PM | this is the type of thing that gets my goat! how can you blame the food people? they dont force it in your mush! its upto you to say no, i wont eat this ill eat this instead. maybe when an obesce person sues an employer, the employer can sue the food makers?
ive no way on earth got the most healthy diet, but know i have to do so much exercise even though im disabled. healthy food is so easy and cheaper to do. go down to local supermarket and most have a deli counter with whole chickens, put a bit sauce over the top and add rice/pasta/cous cous whatever you want.
reading the thread and the amount of off topic posts i presume the pc brigade can now start blaming food companies and the gps?
edit, you can do your own sauces from scratch if you want, only takes a bit of effort and the cooked chickens are well available. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/28/2009 6:05:09 PM | oh I can assure you it's not just me blaming the food companies.......most nutrition experts say the same.......do a bit of research.......oh and that cheap chicken and sauce you talk about? Probably pumped full of additives too.
I am beginning to realise that the only way to eat healthily is to ask myself.......has it grown.......as it been killed......or did I make it from scratch? If the answer is no then it's probably full of crap ingredients, chemicals and artificial flavourings. Unfortunately even eating fresh meat and fish is not a guarantee that it doesn't contain harmful products these days......but I certainly am very wary of processed foods now and am much more aware of the hidden "dangers" in food now.
Dont get me wrong.......I know that the individual has to take responsibility for their diet......I just get really angry at those (most of whom have never had a weight problem in their lives) who preach smuggly about how easy it is to loose weight and, more importantly, keep it off for life. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/29/2009 1:08:43 AM | ^^^^ would like to correct you there, I am overweight at the minute but that is due to my own fault and I am trying really hard not to make the same mistakes and to lose the weight i need too.
No it is not easy to lose weight but it is easy to look that packet of crisps square in the face and say no thank you or the chinese take away and say no thank you and cook a meal instead of stuffing my face with convenience food or take away just because it is easier.
And yes there are medical conditions that cause people to be obese but they are very much in the minority. 90% of obesity or overweight issues are due to poor diets and lack of exercise.
Even people on benefits can not complain as they are given money every week to ensure that they buy fresh veg and fruit. I am a working mum, every saturday I go down to the local market and buy loads of veg and fruit and it never costs more than 10 pounds. And you have to remember most of these benefit mums would much rather go to icelands because they would prefer to buy crap food as it is easier on them.
As for the fat gene unfortunately it does survive as I have it in my family but we are made aware of it.
The simple fact is that most are fat due to their own eating habits and too many woman are using the big beautifull woman label to hide behind. How many of us overweight women can actually say that we are happy with our weight. YOu might stand up and say to everyone and a sunder I love my curves, they are not curves love, they are fat tyres!!!! Face up to the fact that when you stand naked in the mirror and you try and put that sexy lingerie on with your double chin sticking out or that extra roll haniging over your fanny do you feel sexy? Or when you go into the clothing stores and there is nothing you can buy unless you want to look like chelsea bun stuffed into a cupcake, and when you do find anything in your size you tend to end up looking like your mother has dressed you.
Lets face facts here as I have stated before BIG BEAUTIFULL WOMAN ARE NOT THAT BEAUTIFULL! And it is not that healthy either. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/29/2009 5:14:56 AM | Just a little thought to throw in to the discussion.
We all agree that people with eating disorders such as bulemia have an illness and these people need help to get better.
So why is it that people who are overweight can not have an eating disorder? We all just eat crap and are lazy.
Eating disorders are psychological and need treatment whether your problem is eating too little or too much.
The reason I put on weight...................................psychological
The reason I have not lost it yet............................Clinical depression
Am I losing weight now..............................Yes because I have had councilling and have sorted out my problems.
See a pattern?
BIG BEAUTIFULL WOMAN ARE NOT THAT BEAUTIFULL!
I agree I'm not big and beautiful, I'm fecking gorgeous | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/29/2009 6:40:04 AM |
I am now between a size 14 and 16 I will lose weight as my current weight gain is due to stress and a really bad year along with pnd.
As stated weight gain unless due to a medical condition is no excuse or anybody else problem other than our own laziness.
You sound like you have had a tough time and well done for doing something about it but the 2 statements you made above don't tally. You've given your reasons for gaining weight but then you've said that weight gain is due to laziness.
Well I'm sure your post natal depression wasn't down to laziness, nor your stress.
I've gained weight over the last 18 months due to a broken arm and then depression.
It's all very well your GP saying they aren't giving you an anti depressant and just keep up the exercise. When you get to the stage that even doing an everyday thing is a struggle, you aren't going to be out there running marathons. I don't stuff my face with pies and Pepsi, but I went from being someone who was extremely fit and active to someone who wasn't and I put weight on.
It's taken me time even to get to the stage of getting the weight off again due to lack of motivation, lack of confidence. So it's not excuses, it's just life and sometimes life gets tough. If I had been someone who never put on weight no matter what I ate I could have spent the last 18 months eating all the junk of the day and no one would have cared less, or commented.
If people seriously want to manage their weight more effectively, their junk food intake should be zero.
The odd bag of chips or can of coke will do no harm, ban fatty foods from people's diets altogether and you get people bingeing because it's forbidden. I used to work beside someone who could eat 2 big mac meals for his lunch and a dessert, he used to keep a multipack of crisps in his desk drawer to snack on. He was thin.
I would be out swimming at lunchtime and doing classes at night and eating more healthily but if people looked at us both they may have said he was healthier because he was thinner. People can make assumptions about you that can turn out to be totally false.
The assumption underlying that statement is that all other factors in peoples' lives are equal, and they virtually never are. Aside from differences in diet, some people are naturally more sedentary than others. People who fidget will burn up to 350 cal a day more than those who don't - so whilst it may appear that some people find it easier to lose weight than others - they're already moving more before making any conscious effort to weight management.
Even when I was out running 10ks and doing aerobics classes 6 nights a week I was still heavier than my mum, who is the same height as me and did much less exercise, I would also say I had a healthier diet. Neither does she sit and fidget all day.
She's never needed to manage her weight her entire life, whereas I have always put weight on easily.
As for fresh and junk food. It depends where you live, I have no markets near me, I get 256 a month in benefits and that doesn't leave me with a fortune to spend on food once bills are paid. People buy junk food for 2 reasons, cost and convenience. You can buy value sausages, burgers, pies, chips for less than the price of a cucumber in some supermarkets. I went to Tesco twice last week and bought fruit and veg and it wasn't cheap, the fact is for me, a year ago I could have bought what I liked and not had to worry about cost too much, now I really do have to think. I don't do junk food very often, I try and eat healthily but it is easier to eat a balanced diet the more money you have, you have more disposable income and more choice.
As for fat not being beautiful, I know people who are overweight who are, who carry their weight well and who wear things even when I was at my thinnest I wouldn't have had the confidence.
It's also only skin deep, lets not forget that. I think as a nation everyone should be encouraged to eat more healthily, particularly more initiatives for people who don't have money, more food co ops etc. That includes thin people who eat crap all day. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/29/2009 7:44:24 AM | | I was shoppinbg with a friend who is over weight last saterday ,and she was looking at dowedy clothes ,so i dragged her into Evens and picked out a pair of quite trendy Jeans and an over blouse ,and said try these on ,she said i will not look right in them ,i said humour me ,she looked really good in them and it knocked 10 years of her age ,made her bum look loads slimmer ,but would she buy them, no she would not ,offered every excuse under the sun ,so i gave up .Just because some one has extra weight does not mean they have to look frumpy and old fashioned ,You are right Pauline i have seen some nicely dressed over weight women | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/29/2009 11:05:06 AM | No pauline postnatal depression is hormonal hence i over eat as food is a comfort for me but i can and will get myself out of the thought that eating a chocolate or slice of bread makes me feel better as it does not whereas lately i find that exercise fills that void a lot more and has a more beneficial effect on me.
If women are not happy with their size they need to sit down and do something about it and not lie to themselves and everyone around them that they are happy or comfortable with their weight. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/29/2009 4:17:35 PM |
Face up to the fact that when you stand naked in the mirror and you try and put that sexy lingerie on with your double chin sticking out or that extra roll haniging over your fanny do you feel sexy? Or when you go into the clothing stores and there is nothing you can buy unless you want to look like chelsea bun stuffed into a cupcake, and when you do find anything in your size you tend to end up looking like your mother has dressed you.
Lets face facts here as I have stated before BIG BEAUTIFULL WOMAN ARE NOT THAT BEAUTIFULL! And it is not that healthy either.
and I'd like to correct you love!
Don't project your feelings of inadaquacy on to every other fat woman...if you don't feels sexy that's your problem - personally it's never been an issue for me - I've always felt sexy and am more than happy to be seen naked when with a partner. As for dressing like my mother has dressed me....I wouldn't mind if I was...she has impecable taste but as it is if there is one thing that I am always complimented on it's my dress sense. I may be fat but I know what suits me and what doesn't and always make an effort to look good. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/29/2009 4:31:37 PM |
how can you blame the food people? they dont force it in your mush! its upto you to say no
And therein lies the point ..
Heroin and crack users are not forced to get a fix, but they do, no-one puts the needle in and shoots up for them, it is their choice..
They get help, counseling, priority housing, additional benefits, even free drugs etc etc
Fat people are vilified pure and simple, for some food is an addiction, a very deep problem quite often associated with comfort ...
However help for them is sparse and very often a long wait for the help needed..
Substitute the word "food " in every day life for the words "heroine" or "crack cocaine".............does it still seem just "simple" for us fatties to kick our addiction?
Some will never see it as an addiction, they would prefer to see it as a subject to be ridiculed because that is their nature and mindset ...
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/29/2009 5:05:18 PM | If fat people enjoy being fat and love their fat then stop ****ING WHEN SOCIETY HAS NO INTEREST IN YOU!
Oh and another thing Fat is definately not curvy, boobs, bum and waist equates curvy not boobs bum and tum! | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/30/2009 3:00:35 AM | Oh and another thing Fat is definately not curvy, boobs, bum and waist equates curvy not boobs bum and tum!
well said, lard on a lady aint pretty, there are specialised sites like BBW if women want to hang on to that excess blubber enough of the excuses already on here puuuuurlease. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/30/2009 3:27:06 PM |
there are specialised sites like BBW if women want to hang on to that excess blubber
Thankfully there are men who see a woman for who she is, not the size label in her clothes. Which, in my case is obviously larger than many an IQ! | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 11/7/2009 3:05:14 AM | It's a difficult one, I lost my job after 10 years with the company due to getting obese, I've since lost 17 stone so I have seen both sides of the coin so to speak.
The fact is that there are alot of jobs that "bigger" people just wont ever be able to do as well as a "smaller" person and at the end of the day its all about getting the job done well. | |
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| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 11/7/2009 3:18:06 AM |
Lets face facts here as I have stated before BIG BEAUTIFULL WOMAN ARE NOT THAT BEAUTIFULL!
Speak for yourself!! I'm fecking stunning me 
As i have stated earlier on thuis thread i am attempting to lose weight, but not because i think im unattractive but purely because i want to lead a healthier lifestyle; if i could remain the size i am and be healthly i'd be quite content to do so...
Granted it took me a while to like myself - but i do!  | |
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