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| Are all men potential rapists?
Posted: 10/20/2009 9:03:10 PM | | I myself just do not understand why a guy would want have sex with a woman who did'nt want it from him....I need some interaction from her to make it work. | |
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| Are all men potential rapists?
Posted: 10/20/2009 9:43:41 PM |
I simply suggested that the poster was trying to minimize the problem. I still think so.
No. I'm just sticking to the topic which is a claim made by a particular person that all men are potential rapists. See, it's written up there at the top of the screen. You are the one wandering way off topic with spurious arguments.
If this poster were to consider my comments with an open mind, perhaps he will find that even mavens could use a little educating from time to time, even when the source of that education is female, loud, unbound and passionate!
Educating on what exactly? Do you think I, or anyone else here, is unaware that rape is a problem? What exactly do you hope to achieve by ranting about it at great length and making rude insinuations? Do you think maybe you're going to convince some wannabe rapist here that it's not a good idea after all? Are you hoping to lead us further off topic to some other points you wish to make about gender inequality more generally? In short, what is your point? Do you even have one?
Clearly you are in that category of unreasonable people who like to fight. Thanks for demonstrating that; I'll remember it in future and not waste any more time on you here. 
^ what I am talking about... if you don't know the guys fairly well, you just don't know.
While it's surely natural to be more afraid of men you don't know, I seem to recall that most rape by far is committed by someone the victim does know.
On my way out to pick up pizza tonight I was thinking further about that and it occurred to me that's one of at least three different ways you could interpret the statement "all men are potential rapists." It could be a simple warning to be suspicious of all men generally or it could be a specific reminder that just because you know somebody doesn't mean you're safe or it could also be a mean-spirited comment on male nature in general. Given that vagueness, if it's advice it's pretty crappy. On the other hand, if it's intended to force people to think seriously about the matter then it's a brilliant success. | |
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| Are all men potential rapists?
Posted: 10/20/2009 10:15:02 PM | Balled Eagle, I totally disagree with the notion that all men are potential rapists, for the following reason:
Having the physical potential is one thing, but the person would also have to have the mental/emotional potential. For example, every adult (barring perhaps an invalid) has the physical capability of killing a child, but the vast majority would not and could not do so because it would so massively go against their nature, core values and beliefs.
Just as the honest person (and yes, there are plenty of us) would not steal even if we knew we could get away with it, nor would most men rape. The trouble for us women is, we don't know which individual is part of that majority and which is part of the criminally vicious minority. But then, men don't know which few women kill their husbands for the insurance money, either. | |
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| Are all men potential rapists?
Posted: 10/21/2009 1:24:11 AM | Mirriam-Webster defines "potential" as ....
existing in possibility : capable of development into actuality
Agree: all men are potential rapists
If the topic was entitled: are all PEOPLE potential rapists, I would still agree.
Thankfully, there are those that never have the specific trigger(s) pulled
that would lead to the enactment of rape.
Wiki defines rape as: .....
an assault by a person involving sexual intercourse with or without sexual penetration of another person
Imo the worst being:
Rape of infants and children
Rape of women/men
Rape of animals
Rape of the land | |
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| Are all men potential rapists?
Posted: 10/21/2009 2:18:26 AM | | mis~fit I hate to say your wrong about what is the worst being . ITS The Mind I know . It screws with a person's mind for life . Till you have been there . All of you don't know jack shit . | |
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| Are all men potential rapists?
Posted: 10/21/2009 4:31:28 AM | @bcbogbear
I am sorry ... but I did not ask anyone to agree or to even like my post.
You have expressed your opinion .... and I have mine.
How could you/anyone even possibly "know where [I/you] may have been"?
This subject matter is like a huge pit of vomit, and it is evil. | |
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PiggyT
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| Are all men potential rapists?
Posted: 10/21/2009 6:33:13 AM | basically, the topic is offensive (as stated) to me. It got my dander up and pissed me off with it's broad generalization of mean and their potential to do something unspeakable (to me, and I am sure, a few other posters here).
It would be the same as saying that because women can suffer from postpartum depression they can all be consider potential baby killers.
So yah, let's start a thread that says Are all women potential baby killers?, and see how that goes. | |
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| Are all men potential rapists?
Posted: 10/21/2009 7:32:33 AM | From the article;
-"All men have the capacity to be loving, caring, respectful human beings," Reifferscheid says.
Sadly, many men fail to exercise that capacity.
-We men are not all potential rapists. But we owe it to women to give them the value that is their due, as equals to men in every way — except perhaps when it comes to arm-wrestling and peeing your name in the snow.
The difference is what sets us apart. Let's face it, we are the weaker sex so the title should not be offensive but rather understood with compassion.
Men, try for a day being the 5'4 under 130 woman with a 6'3 over 200 man and this "potential" hanging in the back of the mind whether you like it or not.
From the time I've grown boobs (age 9), I've had very scary moments with men, abusing the fact I am the weaker sex. That a very long time to deal with this crap. I say crap because it is unfair, I've done nothing but be female to bring this on.
-It was only in the 1980s that it became illegal for Canadian men to rape their wives
Piggy, since you bring it up.. any man has a right to fear if a woman is going to snap due to post partum depression.... a very real possibility with chances of it becoming deadly ....what does he do?
Same as what women have done for centuries living among men.
Trust and hope it doesn't end that way.
If it makes you feel any better.. I will add this... there are many many wonderful men to be made examples of... thank you thank you thank YOU for being that way *thumbs up*
The more there are... the more likely titles such as this one won't exist. | |
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| Are all men potential rapists?
Posted: 10/21/2009 9:41:30 AM |
Given that vagueness, if it's advice it's pretty crappy. On the other hand, if it's intended to force people to think seriously about the matter then it's a brilliant success.
Traveller ms 28, great post
the troubles with such "brilliance " are that they are demagogic and while one can only guess intent, the results often lead to inciting hatred because of peoples emotions and in particular those who "jump onto the cause" lacking abilities (or willingness)to reason.
As a society we have made great efforts to not permit such prejudices in particular those that can lead to hatred.
I am certain many persons use labeling and stereotyping in their own private thought to make choices of preference or avoidance. The difference is those are personal decisions, as long as that reasoning is not announced or promoted to others for whatever cause or reason there is no harm.
As far as crime is concerned it is my opinion that our laws have become seriously impotent to serve as deterrent and serving justice as it was intended.
Every crime perpetrated from theft to violence leaves the victim feeling violated in many different ways and in that sense rape is no exception.
Thanks to the many ladies above for their compassionate words and their strength of trust. | |
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| Are all men potential rapists?
Posted: 10/21/2009 12:13:05 PM | Those whose emotions are clouded by personal experience of murder or genocide, please do not read the following as I have no desire to inflict pain on you and do not know your personal circumstances and thus are ignorant of what might trigger your pain.
I will try once more to share my viewpoint using the example of genocide:
1. A genocidal killing is no more abhorrent than any other murder but the impact is greater on society as it directly threatens all members of an entire race of people.
2. The penalty for this crime should proportionately reflect the crime's larger impact. This is an applied principle in law - increased fines and penalties for crimes with more serious implications.
3. Stating that a genocidal killing is not about race because some members of that persecuted race are killed in crimes of passion and because members of other races are also killed at times with the same motivation, is the spurious argument - is it not obvious to everyone?
4. As humans living in society, we all face the risk of being killed by a crazy person but the risk of being killed is greater for someone of a particular race when there are high incidences of people of that race being specifically targeted solely because of their race.
5. Treating a genocide killing as no different than a revenge or for profit murder means the motivating issue of prejudice is not explored, studied and prevention and/or mitigation measures are not introduced to society, i.e., not fixing the problem.
6. Minimizing the problem is like trying to sweep prejudice under a rug so that we do not have to deal with the troubling realization that within each of us as humans exists the potential to so cruelly dehumanize a whole subgroup of our species just because they are somehow different from our own subgroup.
7. Unlike a crime of passion, genocide is a preventable crime IMHO as it stems from a desire to treat another group of humans as somehow less than human, i.e., not having the same right to live. Remove the arrogant belief that one type of human is more deserving of rights than another and genocide becomes impossible.
Reread, replacing ' genocide' with 'rape', 'murder' with 'assault', 'race' with 'gender' and hopefully you will understand that as provocative as her statement is, it is essential that men and women who support gender equality adequately reflect on its implications so that women are not forced to either fear or blindly trust in the essential goodness of male strangers on the street, the men in their lives, and the men in their beds.
That's all I'm saying. And if you object to that, I can't change you. | |
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| Are all men potential rapists?
Posted: 10/21/2009 2:13:03 PM | Not having read either article I can only state my opinion. I believe it is possible for all men to be rapists given the right set of circumstances. However to view men as some kind of potential threat to women all the time is instilling fear when it is not needed. Rape is about power abuse. It is more likely to happen if a man knows that he can get away with it- war- cultural perspectives or values - date rape- pedophilia- regressed sex offenders. Or if the man has some serious psychopathology. Most men would not behave that way and would find the behavior repugnant. I believe women need to be conscious of the possibility of rape happening but we also need to trust most fellows have no need to assert their power in such a pathological fashion. I think it does men a great disservice when we look at them through this filter. They are just as humanly vulnerable as women are. We all have our bumps and warts. I like what journalist Ethan Baron had to say as stated in the above box. "We men are not all potential rapists. But we owe it to women to give them the value that is their due, equals to men in every way-except perhaps when it comes to arm-wrestling and peeing in the snow." But then I am also an advocate that men sit down to pee as well. | |
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| Are all men potential rapists?
Posted: 10/21/2009 3:42:05 PM | I think it's just a stupid statement period......
Like another poster has written, all men are potential rapists , yet it is possible for females to rape.
Both genders have the potential to do most anything.....
It's an inflamatory statement by an ignorant author looking for contaversy and attention, looks like it worked.............. | |
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| Are all men potential rapists?
Posted: 10/21/2009 5:46:05 PM | Arghhhhhh!
All women have the potential to castrate a man.
BUT how many actually do?
All men have the potential to rape a woman.
HOW MANY OF THEM ARE DOING IT????????????????????? | |
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| Are all men potential rapists?
Posted: 10/21/2009 6:20:03 PM | Didn't want to wade into this one in fear of losing some potential for a date,,,but WTF that doesn't seem likely,,, so here we go.
I gotta ask,,,is this how women of today are trying to gain the "power" or "control" you think you deserved or owed?????? You paint ALL men with a generic stroke of the paint brush with these types of statements making you what????? Feel better?????? Making US men "aware"????? Just WHAT do YOU think this statement does for the people (us MEN) that you are trying to educate???? Tell me,,,,,,,,,,and all those that are sitting here reading. Go ahead, I'm waiting.
I'll tell ya what this,,,,ummmmm,,,,"leader" of whatever the hell she is, did. She just shut more ears of US men,,,,and yes,,,,even some posters here have done the same. Moronic and retarded generic statements like this do nothing for your "cause" or awareness of "rape". It actually does nothing for you,,,,,as women either. You want "power" or "control",,,,,then do it without women like this standing up and speaking for you. My God girls,,,,you take steps BACKWARDS with these types of media headlines,,,,honestly.
"Potentially",,,,males,,,,when born,,,,as in little itsy bitsy "boys",,,,,could rape. But,,,,after a very short time of being raised,,,taught,,,,parented,,,,or abused,,,,raped or whatever,,,,that "potential" has been minimized or multiplied. The majority's "potential" of raping is minimized to the point that it probably can't even be measured. The minority's "potential" I am sure does go up,,,,,but with that,,,,ALL is a pretty big word to be throwing around. Just because I have a penis,,,,and I have urges,,,,and I get horny does NOT mean that I will run out one day and "decide" to rape someone.
Personally it has NEVER happened and NEVER will. There,,,,,one less to be counted with your generic,moronic,retarded statement that includes ALL.
Do yourself a favour girls,,,,,pick your leaders or people you chose to "follow" a little more wisely. Or not. Your choice,,,,,you've earned it. 
And for God's sake,,,,quit walking around in "fear" of the unknown,,,be it men, or whatever. Either that,,,,or maybe barefoot,preggy and cooking in the kitchen isn't such a bad itdea????? You won't be scared anymore of ALL us men then.
E-mail box all empty now,,,,so shoot away. | |
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| Are all men potential rapists?
Posted: 10/21/2009 8:31:16 PM |
I gotta ask,,,is this how women of today are trying to gain the "power" or "control" you think you deserved or owed?????? You paint ALL men with a generic stroke of the paint brush with these types of statements making you what????? Feel better?????? Making US men "aware"????? Just WHAT do YOU think this statement does for the people (us MEN) that you are trying to educate???? Tell me,,,,,,,,,,and all those that are sitting here reading. Go ahead, I'm waiting.
The article and statement are geared towards women. Women need to be more aware of thier surroundings. Just like TravellerSEB said, "It could be a simple warning to be suspicious of all men generally or it could be a specific reminder that just because you know somebody doesn't mean you're safe or it could also be a mean-spirited comment on male nature in general."
If you are ignorant of a problem, you are ignorant of a solution.
Do you think that we feel powerful being afraid of men that walk the streets with us at night? What this article is trying to say, and what many other posters are trying to say, is that even if illogical, these feelings will prevent us from ever feeling fully safe. It takes one problem to ruin a society. | |
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| Are all men potential rapists?
Posted: 10/21/2009 11:28:42 PM |
Are all men potential rapists?
Only if a woman chooses to see herself as a victim to ALL men. | |
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| Are all men potential rapists?
Posted: 10/22/2009 6:08:52 AM |
Are all men potential rapists?
Only if a woman chooses to see herself as a victim to ALL men.
I think that is a better simplification. Someone is not going to go to the pub, take a walk at night or even open their window if their view of others is that they're all going to assault them. People who live alone tend to get some scary paranoid fantasies that are pretty far from reality.
For for ALL men to be labeled as POTENTIAL rapist by someone, seems to invite a self-fulfilling prophecy for that someone. If they believe that to be true, then who would want to even have them as a friend very long?
All humans have the capacity to be violent just as much as they have the capacity to make mistakes. What one person perceives as a rape might not be perceived by the other person as such (who hasn't seen at least one movie where that was a theme?)
Earlier in the thread someone mentioned where are the women rapists? Offhand any articles I've seen about them, tend to be high school teachers. Actually it seems like being a teacher (of either gender) must be a completely horrifying job if the potential for claims of sexual harassment or assault are in such view of the public. Some kiddo doesn't get an A in class, then claims the teacher seduced them after class and puts the teachers name into the media wolves. Terrible.
I'm fairly certain that any mature women would be able to identify a personal contact that seems dangersous, either by the way they act or the way they speak. People who are very aggressive snf given the opportunity and a motive could assault/rape someone. But it holds true for males and females alike. I don't think the average person wakes up in the morning and decides he or she needs to make a strangers life hell. There is always a motive. | |
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PiggyT
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| Are all men potential rapists?
Posted: 10/22/2009 6:49:54 AM | It's called fear mongering and is used often in society. Currently the H1N1 is the latest "look out" we are being informed of incessantly. Prior to that it was the Global meltdown of the economy, before that, terrorism.
Sure would be nice to see a thread that said Are all men a good potential date for a Friday night??? | |
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| Are all men potential rapists?
Posted: 10/22/2009 8:56:09 AM |
Sure would be nice to see a thread that said Are all men a good potential date for a Friday night???
Pleeez don't post one.
Imagine every one finding someone and being happy without stuff to biatch about.
The world would be such dreadful boring place... | |
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| Are all men potential rapists?
Posted: 10/22/2009 9:37:52 AM | The logic used would also argue that;
a. all men are potential killers
b. all men are potential addicts
c. all men are potential geniuses
Its not good logic. It indicated that all men have potential ... well, all living things have potential. Of course all men are potential rapists, as we are potential healers, lovers, heros and villains. Its inductive logic, the "could be" argument.
What the misinformed authors are trying to state and I disagree again, is that all men have a tendency to commit sexual offenses. The use of the word "all" and the declaration of tendency are both logical errors. All is a very strong word and includes every man born since our inception as a species. Tendency would have to be witnessed in a majority of men and since the majority of men don't commit violent offenses, that argument doesnt hold water either.
What is a better tact, is to state that the social status of women in various societies makes them victims of male domination. And that is correct for many parts of the world still. Behold Pakistani honor killings, arranged and forced marriages and forced female circumcision, to name a few atrocities committed in these cultures. What is important is that we all guard against our tendency as a species, to subjugate women and base power on sheer physical force. | |
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| Are all men potential rapists?
Posted: 10/22/2009 10:48:48 AM | | I do not walk around in fear but, I won't walk around unaware either. I see it as a tale of caution... be aware of your surroundings and listen to your gut. I think most men would tell their children that same advice. | |
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