| Does 70 stone man deserve NHS treatment?
Posted: 10/21/2009 12:32:17 PM |
lets faceif we are going to start blaming people for their conditions we should include anyone and everyone....I mean, if you want to throw yourself off a mountain with 2 bits of wood nailed to your feet why should the NHS pick up the bill when you fall and break your leg? Same applies to pot holers, mountain climbers, surfers, etc, etc, the list is endless. Where do we draw the line? Or is it just yet another dig at people with weight issues again?
Weight issues?? have you missed the entire story? he's 70 damn stone, that isn't a weight issue, thats gone way beyond a weight issue. when you need to go to a car weigh in station to announce yourself as 70 stone you know you've maybe had one wafer thin mint too many, a weight issue is somebody who's 3,4-hell even 10 stone more than they should be, thats a weight issue, the man is over 6x the weight of a normal person and your describing this as a weight issue??
I have absolutely no problem with people who are overweight full stop, where i do have a problem is when people can't get out their bed because of it, because no matter how mental you are, when you can't reach the fridge because of your weight you really do have a problem and something got to go click at somepoint, usualy it the heart.
discriminating an overweight person (sorry weight issues) is wrong,
Discriminating the obese is wrong,
but here we are now at 70 stone, where medicaly, the mans already died, his heart will be under massive strain as will the rest of his organs to cope with his massive bulk, surgery will most likely kill him.
This is not fat bashing, this is common sense. the man has been presumably been treated for well over 7 years now, without the facts i can't comment further, but i will, if the NHS has been trying to get him to loose weight then theirs only one person in the world who isn't doing their part of the treatment, thats him. if the NHS hasn't been trying, then i want to know who was responsible for this man and how long it took to refer him to a dietician, fire the list of people AND the dietician. because quite frankly they have all failed up to this point.
Compulsive eating and anorexia are both one and the same, only difference is they are at opposite ends of the scale, you can try treat it all you like with doctors/psychs/dieticians, but if that affected person ignores the treatment, they will eventually die. and again, theirs no-one to blame, not even the affected person. its happened, its been serious and heres the big shock, we can't save everyone. | |
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| Does 70 stone man deserve NHS treatment?
Posted: 10/21/2009 12:43:36 PM | | Women can get boob implants on the NHS and theres no harm to their physical health!!!! What do we do with this guy? Pay for daily personal care till he dies and he has rubbish quality of life while we do it, or take a chance on an operation to seriously iimprove his life? | |
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| Does 70 stone man deserve NHS treatment?
Posted: 10/21/2009 1:57:39 PM | There shouldnt be any question as to whether he should or shouldnt.
You can only question if he should if you are willing to question if anyone should or shouldnt
For instance imigrants, are they entitled, or visitors to the UK, | |
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| Does 70 stone man deserve NHS treatment?
Posted: 10/22/2009 2:07:44 AM | I think this man deserves help.... However he will need to be assessed and the appropriate help should be given. From what I have read, he would not be able to afford the amount he is eating. So the help that he is getting is a subsidised diet that is killing him.
If it is a mental health problem then their are interventions that can be used, psychiatric help, CBT, bereavment counselling etc. If he refuses this help, then either withdraw support except for the bare minimum or section him for being a danger to himself.
If we must allow people all there "human rights" and give them what they feel that they cant do without because of addiction, compulsive behaviour, illness etc. Why cant my heroin clients have access to diamorphine which is a medical form of heroin, on the national health?
Oh and as far as I am aware, people who suffer from anorexia, are not able to stave themselves to death if being treated. I know force feeding happened, I am no longer sure though if this practice still continues, but supervised consumption of food does.
There are far more productive, and dare I say cheaper options to help this man.
I am dyslexic so please forgive any spelling mistakes.... Can't find the spell check on here. | |
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| Does 70 stone man deserve NHS treatment?
Posted: 10/22/2009 2:22:38 AM | This is a failure to act right down the line to allow someone to get to this stage. It is not as if he wasn't known to the health service. Of course everyone deserves life saving treatment but let's hope that this will be a warning and a wake-up call for not letting this happen again.
It often takes a bizzare and tragic case for us to act in prevention let's hope this is it for obesity treatment. | |
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| Does 70 stone man deserve NHS treatment?
Posted: 10/22/2009 4:09:00 AM |
Women can get boob implants on the NHS and theres no harm to their physical health!!!!
Hmmm, well I suppose ignoring the risks of dying while under due to the Anaethetic, the chance of catching a superbug, the risk of blood poisoning, the chance of scaring, the risk of poisoning from the fluids leaking (befire saline bags), the chance of the implant rupturing and the subsequent bad back. All for a little esteem boosting. Nope - i cannot see any physical health issues.
Back to the point however. If this operation gets this man walking again, then good for him. It will save the tax payers money, and give him a better quality of life.
Personally I would like to see the NHS bring in a yearly check up. Your summoned to the doctors once a year. they take your height, weight, blood pressure, do some routing blood works (for the standard cancers/issues that plague humanity). This way they can monitor peoples weight and health in a more controlled way. If this was the case, then this gentleman would never have got to 30 stone without being offered the help to change his life, let alone 70 stone and bed ridden | |
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| Does 70 stone man deserve NHS treatment?
Posted: 10/22/2009 6:48:59 PM | if he is so mentally ill to get to 70 stone then why the hell hasnt he been forcably treated under the mental health act as are many other people with eating disorders??
I remember when i was in hospital and the patients on the eating disorder unit had every aspect of thier diet controlled by force if necessary.
That policy should have been applied to this guy a long time ago.
This person cant possibly prepare the food for himself so even such treatment in the home could very easily be used to limit his intake of food and help him loose wieght safely!
He quite clearly lacks the mental ability to make decisions about food for himself.
does seem to be a failure in the system. Its not like you can get to 30 stone and just not notice how big youve got, and when your that big even your GP cant avoid asking questions!!!
however if it transpires that the rumours he deliberately wants to be fattest person in world are true..... then he does not deserve ANY obesity related treatment by NHS and should have all care withdrawn. Hed soon loose enough wieght to go feed himself then wouldnt he!! | |
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| Does 70 stone man deserve NHS treatment?
Posted: 10/23/2009 1:01:06 AM | Yes it's self-inflicted but then so are sporting accidents, smoking, alcohol related injury or illness , and attempted suicide or injuries sustained during a fight.
Even car and motorcycle accidents can be seen as self inflicted to a certain extent.
And i'm sure most illnesses could have been prevented by lifestyle changes
so apart from old age most things can probably be classed as self-inflicted in some way
He's ill and he needs to be treated and it's ignorant to think that he should not recieve treatment on the NHS | |
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| Does 70 stone man deserve NHS treatment?
Posted: 10/23/2009 5:25:40 AM |
however if it transpires that the rumours he deliberately wants to be fattest person in world are true..... then he does not deserve ANY obesity related treatment by NHS and should have all care withdrawn.
And those who aspire to be the fastest, the highest, the deepest, the boy racers, the stuntmen and daredevils? All to be refused treatment? | |
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| Does 70 stone man deserve NHS treatment?
Posted: 10/23/2009 5:47:10 AM | ^^^^^^^^^
Yes but there equipment, training etc are not being paid for by the national health system. The food that is allowing this man to become the fattest man in the world is. The treatment that is being paid for is killing him.
Plus.... to answer other posts.
Though smokers are treated on the national health, and they have paid a vast sum of money via the tax (this is another thread), the cigarettes are not paid for. People who have treatment for alcohol abuse are treated... Yes,..... but the alcohol is not being paid for by the national health.
Where are the carers getting the money for the takeouts this man is eating? It’s not whether this man should have treatment that is in dispute... It is the way that he is being treated.
If he wants to be the fattest man in the world, the operation will not help. | |
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| Does 70 stone man deserve NHS treatment?
Posted: 10/23/2009 5:53:13 AM | It’s not whether this man should have treatment that is in dispute... It is the way that he is being treated.
Thats exactly whats in dispute, please take a look at the thread title.
Yes but there equipment, training etc are not being paid for by the national health system. The food that is allowing this man to become the fattest man in the world is. The treatment that is being paid for is killing him.
So if the NHS are killing him, surely its up to them to save him? | |
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| Does 70 stone man deserve NHS treatment?
Posted: 10/23/2009 7:58:30 AM | No.
Hes just a fat, lazy b*stard.
Im sorry but get a grip.
You eat too much
You dont do enough exercise
Your gonna get fat
Hard to believe I know!
But Its true!
For god sake, take some responsibility!! | |
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| Does 70 stone man deserve NHS treatment?
Posted: 10/23/2009 11:39:01 AM |
No.
Hes just a fat, lazy b*stard.
Im sorry but get a grip.
You eat too much
You dont do enough exercise
Your gonna get fat
Hard to believe I know!
But Its true!
For god sake, take some responsibility
wouldn't life be wonderful for all us fatties if it was that easy? If it REALLy was that easy do you really think there would be so many people suffering from obesity? If it were that easy we would all be perfect sizes wouldn't we?
I really do suggest some of the people posting on here do a bit of research into the subject before they start posting. Eating too much is only a symptom of so many underlying issues for most people who suffer from extreme weight problems. | |
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| Does 70 stone man deserve NHS treatment?
Posted: 10/23/2009 2:11:30 PM | | sure they have to pay for it.ifthe government pay us so much money ,that we can eat all that foods free.you ever heard someone from 3rd world waight more than40 kilo. | |
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| Does 70 stone man deserve NHS treatment?
Posted: 10/23/2009 5:12:42 PM |
wouldn't life be wonderful for all us fatties if it was that easy? If it REALLy was that easy do you really think there would be so many people suffering from obesity? If it were that easy we would all be perfect sizes wouldn't we?
Sorry but theres a massive difference between someone whos obese (say 20 or so stone??) and someone who is 70 stone!!!
No way do you get past 30 stone and not realise its massively restricting your life in many ways!!! Unless of course you are saying all obese people have serious mental illness??????? | |
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| Does 70 stone man deserve NHS treatment?
Posted: 10/24/2009 1:41:57 AM | Serious mental illness is schizophrenia and Bi-Polar. I dont think anyone is suggesting the very obese all have one of these conditions though Im sure some people with the conditions are very obese due to anti psychotic medications making them have very HUGE appetites. But I think clinical depression may have a bearing on obeseity because it can cause comfort eating which then becomes an addiction. I think it is extremely hard to diet if you are addicted to the comfort food gives you. Alcohol and fags can be totally omitted from ones life but food cant as we all have to eat something. Its like telling an alcoholic they can just have one drink a day and expecting them to be able to give up their addiction.
So my answer is yes we should treat this 70 stone man. The NHS is for everyone in this country regardless. Lets not forget the 1st NHS Principle:
1. The NHS will provide a universal and comprehensive service with equal
access for all, free at the point of use, based on clinical need, not ability to pay.
Healthcare is a basic human right. Unlike private systems, the NHS will not exclude
anyone because of their health status or ability to pay. Access to the NHS will
continue to depend upon clinical need, regardless of ability to pay.
No.
Hes just a fat, lazy b*stard.
Im sorry but get a grip.
You eat too much
You dont do enough exercise
Your gonna get fat
Hard to believe I know!
But Its true!
For god sake, take some responsibility!!
Listen, when you have lived a bit, you might gain the maturity to realise that life is not always that simple. Whilst the base of what you are saying is true, eat only what you need and exercise plenty, its doesn't always work like that for many different reasons like physical injury and as above mental illness. Why not try using a little empathy before you speak?
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| Does 70 stone man deserve NHS treatment?
Posted: 10/24/2009 2:26:23 PM | | It is going to be a long time before he is well enough to undergo the risk of an anaesthetic and surgery. He most probably will be put on a diet regime as an inpatiemt, and I am almost certain he will need to lose at least half his present weight before surgery. The surgeons would not be able to get to his stomach for all the blubber and his liver must be absolutely huge from all the fat he eats. In a year of hospitalisation under strict feeding and eventually moblisation exercises, he should lose about 30 stone or so. | |
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