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| Did the President LIE on September 9, 2009 ... in his speech to Congress?
Posted: 11/5/2009 5:51:44 AM | Lies, Lies and More Lies........even got you doing it now......!
How is something that Barack Obama said in 2008, when he was a presidential candidate, proof that he lied on Semptember 9, 2009?
And before you get all tangled up trying to show us that the candidate Barack Obama also lied while addressing a hispanic assembly back in July 2008, mentioning something about people being terrorized "when nursing mothers are torn from their babies," I will post for you a brief account of the incident as reported by the press:
NATIONAL BRIEFING | IMMIGRATION; Breast-Feeding Mother, and Family, Deported
By JULIA PRESTON
Published: November 22, 2007
A Honduran mother who was separated for 11 days from her nursing baby after being arrested in an immigration search was deported to Honduras, along with her three children and her husband. The woman, Saída Umanzor, 26, was separated from her American-born baby, Brittney Bejarano, when she was detained by the authorities with a deportation order on Oct. 26 in Conneaut, Ohio. After 11 days, Julie L. Myers, the head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, ordered Ms. Umanzor's release and issued instructions for illegal immigrants who are nursing mothers to be released after arrest in most cases. The agency paid the airfare to Honduras for all three children: Brittney and another daughter, who are United States citizens, and a son born in Honduras.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE2DC1230F931A15752C1A9619C8B63
This is clear proof that the candidate Barack Obama wasn't lying about that case.
Even though that case proves that he didn't lie then, you still need to prove that president Barack Obama lied September 9, 2009 ... in his speech to Congress.
You can write LIE, LIE, LIE until you run out of ink, but every time that you have done so it has been just hot air, without proof. | |
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| Did the President LIE on September 9, 2009 ... in his speech to Congress?
Posted: 11/5/2009 8:02:55 AM | [quot]It wasn't.....or doesn't.
If you look at my post...(oops! there's that whole reading comprehension thing again!) you can certainly follow that the poster was looking for proof that Obama made the statement "when nursing mothers are torn from their babies".
see---> "lies, lies, and more lies.....even got you doing it". Key word in that post is YOU (the poster this time, not Tranquillo)
I merely provided the link for when Obama made the statement.
Off Topic.
ON TOPIC:
No, President Obama did not lie during his speech to Congresss about illegal immigrants being covered by HCR. | |
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| Did the President LIE on September 9, 2009 ... in his speech to Congress?
Posted: 11/5/2009 10:16:34 AM | I don't think the President lied. I just think he's way too smart to set himself up to be caught in a lie. He has no reason to lie to the nation. Not considering his integrity (he's not gonna lie), just remember, he's not the previous POTUS ... who really did lie to us on a regular basis.
OBAMA has everything to lose and nothing to gain by lying to us about something that important to the nation. | |
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| Did the President LIE on September 9, 2009 ... in his speech to Congress?
Posted: 11/9/2009 3:04:45 AM | The Associated Press said this morning that: "House leaders said that, in keeping with the Hispanic Caucus' demands, there was not likely to be any prohibition added to the House bill against illegal immigrants shopping in the exchange."
In a speech made to Congress a short time ago, President Obama had stated that the bill would not contain support for illegal immigrants - a statement for which he was called a "liar" by Rep. Joe Wilson. Rep. Wilson was severely chastised for his comment at the time though it would now seem to be true.
http://www.gouverneurtimes.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7623:owens-to-break-campaign-promises&catid=60:st-lawrence-news&Itemid=175 | |
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| Did the President LIE on September 9, 2009 ... in his speech to Congress?
Posted: 11/9/2009 8:28:03 AM |
The Associated Press said this morning that: "House leaders said that, in keeping with the Hispanic Caucus' demands, there was not likely to be any prohibition added to the House bill against illegal immigrants shopping in the exchange."
In a speech made to Congress a short time ago, President Obama had stated that the bill would not contain support for illegal immigrants - a statement for which he was called a "liar" by Rep. Joe Wilson. Rep. Wilson was severely chastised for his comment at the time though it would now seem to be true.
Typical post with slanted, distorted, and unreliable information. "Likely" and "would" do not support the facts.
First, what is it that "would now seem true"? Something that is "likely" to happen is not something that is a definite fact. Besides, the Senate has not voted on its version of the bill, so the president doesn't have a bill to sign into law. So how do you know that Joe "the liar" Wilson had any reason to disrespect the president during the joint session of congress? Independently of anything the president said or didn't say, Joe "the liar" Wilson was rightfully chastised for his childish behaviour. He is lucky to live in a country like the USA. His fate would be very different if we were in a country like the one his friends, like Beck and Limbaugh, would like the USA to become.
Second, you aren't saying what "shopping in the exchange" means. One thing is for sure: the president said that the bill would not provide federally subsidized insurance for people who are not legally in the country. He did not say that someone could not buy an insurance policy with his/her own money. | |
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| Did the President LIE on September 9, 2009 ... in his speech to Congress?
Posted: 11/9/2009 2:08:44 PM |
First, what is it that "would now seem true"? Something that is "likely" to happen is not something that is a definite fact. Besides, the Senate has not voted on its version of the bill, so the president doesn't have a bill to sign into law. So how do you know that Joe "the liar" Wilson had any reason to disrespect the president during the joint session of congress? Independently of anything the president said or didn't say, Joe "the liar" Wilson was rightfully chastised for his childish behaviour. He is lucky to live in a country like the USA. His fate would be very different if we were in a country like the one his friends, like Beck and Limbaugh, would like the USA to become.
Down South they call what you are doing...."crawdadding".
It has been my contention, along with many others, that the President lied on 9/9/09. He told a half truth, and now the real truth is coming out.
Second, you aren't saying what "shopping in the exchange" means. One thing is for sure: the president said that the bill would not provide federally subsidized insurance for people who are not legally in the country. He did not say that someone could not buy an insurance policy with his/her own money.
From what I have read, the exchange is a virtual marketplace......one that will include private and the public health insurance. It will be interesting to see how the exchange works.
Will the exchange operate like a "Sam's Club"?
Meaning, once you are in the door, you are able to buy whatever you want. The key here is what is you membership card criteria?? Citizen? Cash?? Green Card?? | |
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| Did the President LIE on September 9, 2009 ... in his speech to Congress?
Posted: 11/9/2009 7:27:38 PM |
It has been my contention, along with many others, that the President lied on 9/9/09. He told a half truth, and now the real truth is coming out.
Had he signed a bill on 9/9 ? If the answer is no then he had not lied up to that date, if the bill makes it through the Senate and he signs it and it allows illegals to purchase insurance do you have a problem with that? If so, why? Would you rather they get free health care?
From what I have read, the exchange is a virtual marketplace......one that will include private and the public health insurance. It will be interesting to see how the exchange works.
Your right it will be interesting
Meaning, once you are in the door, you are able to buy whatever you want. The key here is what is you membership card criteria?? Citizen? Cash?? Green Card??
Won't it be great to having foreignors supporting our economy by investing in health care | |
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| Did the President LIE on September 9, 2009 ... in his speech to Congress?
Posted: 11/10/2009 7:12:47 AM |
It has been my contention, along with many others, that the President lied on 9/9/09. He told a half truth, and now the real truth is coming out.
However, you haven't proved your point. Whatever you feel is not important to me. You need to show the facts that prove that the president didn't tell the truth about the bill that he would like to sign. What truth is coming out?
The process of getting a bill through congress is a little bit more complicated than what some minds can handle. The last minute negotiations among the Democrats in order to come up with sufficients votes to pass the bill in the House of Representatives should give you an idea that nobody can predict what the final bill will look like. But you already know that the president lied! 
All that talk about the "illegal aliens" is a diversion in order to avoid facing the fact the country needs Health Care Reform to provide insurance coverage for all the people who would are legally in this country.
Down South they call what you are doing...."crawdadding".
Not being from the South I am not sure what you mean. I searched for the meaning, but it is very confusing. Take a minute and explain what it means in the context of the discussion in these forums, since you seem to be the expert in these type of things. Would that be something similar to snitching to the moderators? | |
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| Did the President LIE on September 9, 2009 ... in his speech to Congress?
Posted: 11/10/2009 7:40:05 AM |
However, you haven't proved your point. Whatever you feel is not important to me. You need to show the facts that prove that the president didn't tell the truth about the bill that he would like to sign. What truth is coming out?
Frankly, I don't really care what is important to you.
I believe the President told a half truth in his speech. Your contention is that we will not know if he lied until he signs the bill. Unfortunately, at that point, as they say in the South, the horse will be out of the barn. [this means that it will be too late to correct]
Here is what we know:
Because of Joe Wilson's outburst (though I believe it was not the correct venue) there is a lot of attention being paid to the illegal aliens portion of HCR. In my opinion, this is a good thing.
The process of getting a bill through congress is a little bit more complicated than what some minds can handle. The last minute negotiations among the Democrats in order to come up with sufficients votes to pass the bill in the House of Representatives should give you an idea that nobody can predict what the final bill will look like. But you already know that the president lied!
I, and a multitude of others, believe that he told a half truth.
All that talk about the "illegal aliens" is a diversion in order to avoid facing the fact the country needs Health Care Reform to provide insurance coverage for all the people who would are legally in this country.
Wrong. All the talk about illegal aliens is so that we can avoid having to provide free health care to people who are here illegally. Duh.
Not being from the South I am not sure what you mean. I searched for the meaning, but it is very confusing. Take a minute and explain what it means in the context of the discussion in these forums, since you seem to be the expert in these type of things.
"crawdadding" means to "back up".....like a crawdad......when contronted with danger. The poster that I commented on was indeed "crawdadding".
Would that be something similar to snitching to the moderators?
Trust me, this is not coming from me. Not my style.
OT
It is my contention that the President did indeed lie (by telling a half truth) in his speech on 9/9/09. | |
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| Did the President LIE on September 9, 2009 ... in his speech to Congress?
Posted: 11/10/2009 7:55:45 AM |
However, you haven't proved your point. Whatever you feel is not important to me. You need to show the facts that prove that the president didn't tell the truth about the bill that he would like to sign. What truth is coming out? Frankly, I don't really care what is important to you.
I feel like I'm going to have a good time tonight when I go dancing. I guess we really won't know for sure until the evening is over ... that will show the facts that prove whether or not I had a good time.
I, and a multitude of others, believe that he told a half truth. A person can "believe" all they want (sort of like a religious thing?) but unless you can prove it ... it doesn't make it so.
How many people have been accused of criminal activity just because someone "believed" they were guilty ... and in the end it was proven that person in fact was innocent?
You have to be able to prove it or what you say is just not credible. | |
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| Did the President LIE on September 9, 2009 ... in his speech to Congress?
Posted: 11/10/2009 11:10:31 AM |
A person can "believe" all they want (sort of like a religious thing?) but unless you can prove it ... it doesn't make it so.
You are correct. Just because I believe something does not make it so. However, it does not make it "unso" either. Just makes it my belief.
How many people have been accused of criminal activity just because someone "believed" they were guilty ... and in the end it was proven that person in fact was innocent?
Strawman
You have to be able to prove it or what you say is just not credible.
Hogwash.
from dictionary.com:
cred·i·ble (krěd'ə-bəl)
adj.
Capable of being believed; plausible. See Synonyms at plausible.
It is entirely plausible that President Obama lied on 9/9/09. The proof we are awaiting will come forth soon....in the form of a law (if he indeed signs it). | |
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| Did the President LIE on September 9, 2009 ... in his speech to Congress?
Posted: 11/10/2009 5:00:04 PM |
It is entirely plausible that President Obama lied on 9/9/09. The proof we are awaiting will come forth soon....in the form of a law (if he indeed signs it).
We now have the advance lie, it's a new one never before tried in the history of lying, since their was no bill there was no lie=the President did not lie | |
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| Did the President LIE on September 9, 2009 ... in his speech to Congress?
Posted: 11/11/2009 5:22:01 AM |
He lies every time he speaks..... so yes he lied on the 9th of Sept, just like he always does. You can easily look up his lies
And the proof is where?
Just farting through the mouth doesn't add much to a rational discussion.
You need to address the topic as posted in the OP. Just saying that the president lied about that issue, without proof, puts you in the same category as Joe "the liar" Wilson. Remember that he tried to excuse himself by saying that it was an "emotional" reaction, and like a stupid child, he was forced to apologize to the president by his party's elders.
So, what's your excuse? | |
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