| Everything-but-marriage law.
Posted: 10/28/2009 9:13:44 PM | | read more carefully. the context was protection from religious-based discrimination (or Christian morals imposed by the majority) | |
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| Everything-but-marriage law.
Posted: 10/29/2009 5:43:56 AM | Be aware of socialist mantra that rejects the notion of 'Free Speech', that citizens should have the right to practice religion according to the dictates of their conscience, and speak their mind, (Even if it against a practice of perversion) which by the way are protected under the Constitution.
All 'morals' are Christian, and or derived from a Judea-Christian prospective. Trying to protect a minority, and/or restrict the speech of others from a minority, by some arbitrary self-imposed definition of morality, is like saying "We will allow people to do anything, regardless of the rule of law.
The advocates of any such non-sense will continue in convoluted logic that destroys the very fabric of justice. One needs look no further than our present Court system, which has progressively weakened a balanced sense of justice for crimes, simply because the majority of attorneys have a skewed idea about the functions of law.
Good luck with trying to reason with an egalitarian, their concept of human nature and law are founded upon values of equality outside the scope of self-evident truth and common sense, as their sense of justice, or social justice are predicated upon a pernicious philosophy that denies self-evident truth/morality from a Biblical perspective. Dramatically their ideas are still wrong, but God is still RIGHT.
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| Everything-but-marriage law.
Posted: 10/29/2009 9:41:38 AM |
the context was protection from religious-based discrimination (or Christian morals imposed by the majority)
I know what the context was. You seem to fail to understand that morals can and are imposed (with certain exceptions specified in the US Constitution and the various state constitutions), and is done every day. Whether or not the basis of any particular moral that is codified into law has the basis in Christian morality or any other is entirely irrelevant. The Constitution provides a separation of church and state. It does not provide a separation between law and the basis of that law, regardless of the basis. Christians or anyone else do not have to jettison their moral views when they go into the voting booth and elected officials are entirely free to impose the morality of the majority, and have done so rather consistently, as long as it doesn't violated constitutionally guaranteed rights. Marriage is not one of them. | |
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| Everything-but-marriage law.
Posted: 10/29/2009 1:28:02 PM | posted by Passionate Gent: Any attitudes, philosophy and or De facto laws and legislation that affords greater rights against the ultimate right, which is THE WORD OF GOD, is an egregious subversion of law. Especially since law is derived from God and his Word, unfortunately modern day advocates have sought to subordinate God's law in place of man-made laws that do not benefit mankind.
Law is derived from reasonability and peoples ability to live in a society under such laws, the above is the typical Christian thought process that says "we know a better way" and if you are not living as we believe by the word of god (as we interpret it) then your laws are a subversion............and might I add, the percentage of who follows what faith in this country has no bearing on anything outside of that particular place of worship or individual persons heart.
We tend to forget that the lords word as generally quoted is a collection of writings by mortal men...which gives us the right to question it.......sorry if I fail to believe they are so much smarter than we are now that we are somehow unable at this time to formulate our own opinions or allowed our own thoughts..................... hmmmm. Such arrogant beliefs are what separates this country on many issues.
The Big Difference is.........most of us are not spending our time determining others level of morality. As we see here, there are those that do.
Maybe you so @ PG wish to live by as you say....."the ultimate right", but then you are living in the wrong country....... and if you would like I could fill you in on the countries that I have been to or know about that are living by the rule of god...... some are not so pretty.
Whether anyone likes it or not, marriage in Washington is regulated by the need for a license .......... that makes it a civil matter of the state.
How you choose to interpret that into your own life or faith falls within each of us to make our own choices beyond the regulation. That is what we are afforded in the constitution.
I did find some of the previous reading to be bothersome as to the "pious" level of morality attached to it. Can you imagine living in a society with fully mandated morality laws on the level of PG's posts and what they would be doing to you if you didn't comply......scary | |
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| Everything-but-marriage law.
Posted: 10/29/2009 1:52:54 PM | It can only bother you if you let it ~ but you know that already
Do we ever hear compassion from the religious right for people who have been tortured and killed because of their sexuality?
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| Everything-but-marriage law.
Posted: 10/29/2009 4:21:01 PM |
Can you imagine living in a society with fully mandated morality laws on the level of PG's posts and what they would be doing to you if you didn't comply......scary
I'm glad you only find it 'scary', there was a time when we were tortured and burned at the stake for voicing our faith. I'll take scary over that any day. Thanks
Not only can I imagine living in such a society, but I am preparing to live there by believing the Truth and living God's Word. By the way, according to scripture those who refuse to follow God's morality in that time on Earth, are immediately destroyed and cast in a very hot place.
People only have a space of time to repent during this time of Grace, you won't have that privilege then. I hope you make the transition from rebellion/unbeliever to a believer before it's to late, because regardless of any ones political stance or rhetoric, God will have the last word.
Good luck to you.
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| Everything-but-marriage law.
Posted: 10/31/2009 12:09:26 AM | | PassionateGent does not represent the views of All Christians; Please do not paint all of us with the same brush. My denomination (ELCA Lutheran) ordains both women & sexual minorities. We have a strong emphasis on enviromentalism and social justice. The United Methodist, the Church of Christ, and the Episcopal churches, among others, have similar views. Other major religions such as Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam and Judiaism teach principles of love, respect, doing good works, etc. Christians did not corner the market on teaching those universal truths. | |
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| Everything-but-marriage law.
Posted: 10/31/2009 3:06:11 PM | I definitely agree with you, that Christians did not corner the market on 'universal truths', but God did, and does. And only a cursory observation is needed to ascertain that my views are not accepted by many in Christendom.
I also agree with you that many religions ordain many according to the dictates of their faith. I will add though, that there were no persons ordained by the early Church outside of the prescribed limitations given in the Pauline Epistles. (Which is the model of those who believe the Bible)
There are many Religions, as your post has adequately illustrated, but I know of none,
outside of the Gospel of Christ, that proclaims the God-given ability to deliver from the power and reign of sin.
Our church has a strong emphasis on following Jesus and his great commission, which is winning the lost to Jesus Christ. Good luck with your efforts on enviromentalism and social justice
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| Everything-but-marriage law.
Posted: 11/6/2009 11:21:30 PM | Are we talking about marriage as it's described in the dictionary or the true history of marriage? I believe if your a human being and have a sound mind to make decisions for yourself you should have the right to choose your lifetime partner whether it be in legal standing, religious ceremony, or by personal vows.
If you research the actual history of marriage (which was around long before the dictionary decided to stamp it's meaning) you'll find very diverse meanings depending on the timeline and cultural background.
If everyone was of one faith and one culture then I suppose my point of view would have to be disregarded. However, we aren't....and I'm extremely happy for that! | |
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| Everything-but-marriage law.
Posted: 11/12/2009 6:29:21 PM |
Do we ever hear compassion from the religious right for people who have been tortured and killed because of their sexuality?
yes, we do. or at least I can personally say I have never once heard anyone either I know that is religous or on the right condone abuse of people for their sexuality, and with the lone exception of the most rabid fanatics like Westboro Baptist, whom no one else on the right can stomach either, I have yet to hear it in a pulpit or from a conservative leader.
Say what you want about whether those people are wrong or right to condemn homosexuality or any of the other things they condemn, but let's not be so casual in broad painting them as howling fanatics.
I am right-centrist and I am also a christian/catholic hybrid, so apparently I should fall into that catagory but I do not. FWIW I supported the everything but marriage measure.
As far as Gay marriage, my personal view is indifferent to it as to me the real issue is that the Government controls marriage and decides who gets benefits according to its own standards. I don't think straights or gays should be bound to the governments decision of who deserves what.
I say end the governmental strangle control of marriage at all levels. If all they did was register unions as a contractual matter, not as a method of determining social and tax status, then it wouldnt matter.
But that's just me. | |
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