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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/29/2009 8:26:39 PM |
....when at least half if not more of the populace does not approve of the Presidents Policies why should Americans sit idly by and watch them be implemented by the Party in power...
Well... that's just a load of hyperbolic crap...
First...it's disingenous to state it that way... the majority DO approve of his policies overall... he has majority job approval... in fact, only two polling sources have EVER found a less than majority approval... FOX and Rasmussen... EVERYBODY ELSE has consistently shown majority approval... since the beginning... the majority of the polls show majority approval... which puts you in the minority...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html#polls
second... loud does not equal majority
Why is so hard for Liberals/Left/Progressives/Canadians to understand that most "Republicans" do not want America to fail?
Could've fooled me... unless, of course you actually believe the previous 8 years were indicative of success...
....here is something to think about.what did Bush do right according to the Liberals, anything?
He tied his shoes...
What has Obama done wrong,anything?
He hasn't made "FEMA Re-education Camps" a reality... | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/30/2009 12:02:13 PM | Obamas approval rating is now a net -9 points.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history
Zogby shows Obamas approval rating to be 49%
I don't think him approving of Alan Grayson is helping him. It turns out Mr. Grayson who says he worked as an economist, got taken for 3 million dollars in a Ponzi scheme.
http://www.businessinsider.com/rep-alan-grayson-ponzi-scheme-victim-2009-7
His poor judgment strikes again. When is this guy going to be held accountable? | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/30/2009 12:57:36 PM |
His poor judgment strikes again. When is this guy going to be held accountable? Accountable for what? Telling the truth!!!!
I can't decide if that statement is out of pity or jealousy.
Grayson is among the richest in DC.
People lose money all the time in bad investments. What about all those supposedly "smart" people that got ripped off by Madoff? Was that just poor judgment and foolishness ... or were those folks truly innocently ripped off?
http://centralfloridapolitics.com/tag/alan-grayson/
Grayson Among The Richest in DC
Posted on 14 September 2009 by Heath.Whiteaker
WASHINGTON — As a member of Congress, U.S. Rep. Alan Graysonalready is among exclusive company. But the Orlando Democrat ranks high in those ranks too, as the 12th-richest member of the U.S. House and Senate, according to a new Roll Call analysis of financial disclosure forms.
The freshman lawmaker listed $31 million in assets, not a surprise given that Grayson spent at least $2.5 million of his fortune during the 2008 campaign. So far, his personal stash has helped keep high-profile Republican challengers at bay for the 2010 election, as Grayson likely would outspend any challenger.
Here’s what Roll Call had to say (analysis here):
“The Florida lawmaker’s largest asset stems from an apparent financial mistake. Grayson lists a claim valued at $25 million to $50 million against Derivium Capital.
The now-bankrupt firm managed a Ponzi scheme in which investors, including Grayson, could turn over stock to Derivium in exchange for cash loans and redeem the value later if the stock prices increased. A South Carolina court ruled earlier this year that Derivium shareholders were collectively owed about $270 million in lost profits and that Grayson’s share would be about $34 million.
In addition to that claim, Grayson, an attorney who founded the telecommunications company IDT Corp. in 1990, lists a trust valued at $5 million to $25 million. The same trust was previously Grayson’s largest asset, with a value of $25 million to $50 million when he filed a candidate disclosure form in November 2008.”
Apparently he also told them (on a candidate disclosure form in November 2008), so it doesn't appear as if it might be something anyone is trying to hide.
A lot of people have been losing money in other bad investments ... housing. Does that make them a "bad" person?
OT ...
Repugnicans are just upset because Grayson is pointing out the obvious ... Repugnicans don't want uninsured people to have affordable medical benefits. Seems to me that the description of "enemy of America" is correct.
Why do the Repugnicans hate America so much that they would not want all Americans to have the ability to buy affordable health insurance?
Do they really think it's okay for people to have to use the emergency room for health care?
Do they really think it's okay for over 12o people to die daily because they don't have health insurance? | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/30/2009 1:41:44 PM |
Obamas approval rating is now a net -9 points.
Typical conservative tactic... pick ONLY the poll that shows what you want...
Go to the link I provided and see the results of ALL the polls... Anyone can pull a 'one-off' out of thier ass...
Here it is again...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html#polls
I could have cited the ABC/Wash. Post poll which put him at 57%... I took the HONEST approach and linked to ALL the polls instead...
Too bad everyone isn't as willing to view it ALL... some seem to need to look only at that which confirms thier view... the cognitive dissonance of reality is too great for them I guess... | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/30/2009 2:34:35 PM |
Too bad everyone isn't as willing to view it ALL... some seem to need to look only at that which confirms thier view... the cognitive dissonance of reality is too great for them I guess...
Do you hear that sound? It's me wondering if Michael Savage's book "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder" might explain some of this Alan Grayson worship. | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/30/2009 11:59:15 PM |
Repugnicans are just upset because Grayson is pointing out the obvious ... Repugnicans don't want uninsured people to have affordable medical benefits. Seems to me that the description of "enemy of America" is correct.
This is total BS. Based on your argument you are probably one of those Americans without health care. Regardless, Republicans do want health care reform. I tend to associate with both political parties depending on the issue. But for health reform the Republicans have my support, hands down!!!
First of all, me, myself, and I...only feel the need to help the elderly, disabled, and unemployed due to unfortunate circumstances..not because they're lazy bumbs. Sorry, there is Medicaid, CHIP, and whatever else government funded to help low income families. Let's see whose left....the illegals. wtf??? does that have to be answered? The young adults make up a large amount of the uninsured. Let's see why. They don't see the point in having it because they feel they are immune to disease or they don't keep a steady job to be granted insurance through their employer. Is that my problem..a nationwide problem? Perfectly capable now...should I keep going? | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/31/2009 6:44:55 AM |
The young adults make up a large amount of the uninsured. Let's see why. They don't see the point in having it because they feel they are immune to disease or they don't keep a steady job to be granted insurance through their employer. Is that my problem..a nationwide problem? Perfectly capable now...should I keep going?
The cost we paid in 2005 per person to cover the uninsured was $922. In 20101 that cost per individual tax payer is estimated to be $1502.00. Why shouldn't everyone capable of paying for their health care pay? Under the reform bill being looked at every one capable would contribute to the health care burden.
Lots of people pay for years and never need care, that's why they call it insurance . I like the idea of having everyone capable of paying for insurance paying for it.
I would think the both parties and especially the republican party would be highly in favor of a bill that encourages individual responsibilty, so I wonder exactly why do they oppose the reform bill?
http://www.aflcio.org/issues/healthcare/ns06102005.cfm
June 10—Workers with health care insurance are paying extra costs to cover health care for the 48 million Americans without insurance, according to a new report. In 2005, premiums for employer-provided family health insurance are expected to cost, on average, an extra $922, $1 of every $12 spent for employer-provided health insurance, to cover the costs of providing health care to the uninsured.
Paying a Premium: The Added Cost of Care for the Uninsured, released June 9 by the health consumer group Families USA, also estimates these added premium costs will rise to $1,502 in 2010. | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/31/2009 1:27:55 PM |
I would think the both parties and especially the republican party would be highly in favor of a bill that encourages individual responsibilty, so I wonder exactly why do they oppose the reform bill?
They are against the govt running the health care system period. They do a lousy job at almost everything. Typically 50% of your tax dollars are wasted delivering the services.
The Republican have had a bill in the hopper since July, HR 3400. Have you read it or a summary?
Now back to the thread topic. Republicans are not the enemy of Americans. When did it become unAmerican to disagree with the president and his party? I recall plenty of disagreement during the Bush Presidency. Dems are still knocking the tar out of him.
Is this UnAmerican? If the Dems did not shut the Republicans out, we could actually have a national debate of the merits of both plans. A 2,000 page bill does not lend itself to transparency.
The constitution that founded an entire country is 4,500 words long. A 2,000 page bill can hide plenty of bad stuff that we know nothing about unless we read it. I don't trust any News outlet or politicians to do the job for me. This is too important for that.
A group of concerned citizens are trying to read through the bill to capture all of aspects of the Dems plan.
You can participate at http://breakitapart.ning.com/ | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/31/2009 1:40:29 PM |
They are against the govt running the health care system period.
This is exactly the kind of thing that separates "enemies" from merely concerned citizens expressing a point of view.
SOME republicans (like those who learn everything the know about anything from FAUX "news") insist on using language that is DISHONEST.
Until the administration PROPOSES "govt running the health care system" then it is dishonest and deliberately harmful to the country to use this kind of language.
IMO, when you live in a democracy in which it is NECESSARY for "the people" who participate in the system (i.e., American citizens) to be WELL INFORMED, then those who deliberately either lie or use dishonest language ARE acting as "enemies" to their own society.....because they are compromising the ability of that society to function properly. | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/31/2009 1:55:17 PM |
Lots of people pay for years and never need care, that's why they call it insurance . I like the idea of having everyone capable of paying for insurance paying for it. But the Repugnicans are afraid if they pay into something that "everybody" can benefit from, they might help someone who is undeserving of it. See if someone makes 6 figures, they are much more deserving of just about anything than those who live at poverty level. The reasoning being ... those who live at poverty level are just lazy good-for-nothings. If they really wanted to work, they could do better for themselves and it's their fault that they have to get along at poverty level.
So basically, if everyone just pays according to their ability to pay ... which would make medical benefits affordable to all ... Mr. "I earn 6 figures" might have to pay a bit more than Ms. "I live at poverty level" but still all get equal treatment. My guess is that ... Mr. "I earn 6 figures" really doesn't want Ms. "I live at poverty level" to get just the same ... she is not deserving of it. Mr. "I earn 6 figures" does not want to underwrite Ms. "I live at poverty level" in any way shape or form.
Mr. "I earn 6 figures" would be lowering himself to help Ms. "I live at poverty level" who is nothing but scum anyways and doesn't deserve as good treatment as Mr. "I earn 6 figures". Keeping Ms. "I live at poverty level" healthy just means that Mr. "I earn 6 figures" has to underwrite Ms. "I live at poverty level" for that much longer.
(Unfortunately, I have actually heard some people talk like that. It's despicable and arrogant and oh so many other horrible things.)
Repugnicans don't appear to be one bit concerned that their fellow uninsured Americans are dieing at the rate of over 120 per day. I guess they feel that if the person was worth even a hill of beans, they would go get as many jobs as it takes in order to buy their own insurance ... so since they are uninsured, their life is not worth anything.
The whole attitude is quite selfish and un-American. Seems to me that if something is un-American, it qualifies as an enemy of America.
I have been moving around (by choice) the past 3 years and have discovered that there are employers ... no matter how small or large ... who will never offer their employees benefits. Working for such an employer does not make one worthless or lazy or anything else ... it means they have the misfortune of not being able to get health insurance with a group ... at a cheaper rate. So buying health insurance will likely cost them outrageous amounts of money. Most people cannot afford that and still afford to feed their families and put a roof over their head.
I would think the both parties and especially the republican party would be highly in favor of a bill that encourages individual responsibilty, so I wonder exactly why do they oppose the reform bill? EarlzP ... were you not posting here in the forums back during the pre-election time when OBAMA was already campaigning that he would be pushing for Universal Health Care?
That was when several posters who openly identified themselves as "Conservatives" (Bush backers and the lot) openly were posting that they would fight something like that all the way. They openly made statements to the effect that anyone who did not have health insurance was just too lazy to work enough to earn the money to buy it for themselves.
Their basic idea was that the poor are poor due to laziness and if they would just get off their backside and work ... they too could have anything they want ... including health insurance ... that the poor are just trying to live off the government "tit" ... are purposely on Welfare and always have their hands out at the expense of those like Mr. "I earn 6 figures". The poor are basically menaces to society.
I think that's why Grayson is going after them with such a vengeance ... and no doubt that's what he calls an "enemy of America". | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/31/2009 2:28:09 PM |
This is exactly the kind of thing that separates "enemies" from merely concerned citizens expressing a point of view.
SOME republicans (like those who learn everything the know about anything from FAUX "news") insist on using language that is DISHONEST.
Have you started to read the bill?
Instead of relying on politicians who have made prevarication an art form from both parties, we need to read the bill ourselves.
I doubt many of them have read the bill. Admittedly that is not easy because it keeps changing and publication has not been forthcoming at all times.
If people always view their political opposition as ENEMIES maybe we need to let the secession begin and get it over with. | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/31/2009 2:31:00 PM |
uninsured Americans are dieing at the rate of over 120 per day. BS....BS study is the source for these alleged numbers....Calling people the enemy is a great way to Unite Americans don't you think? Isn't Obama supposed to be the great uniter? What Obama and the Dems expect is for everyone to capitulate because they Alone hold the secret to the Universe...
I am in the process of reading the monstrosity that the Dems call the "Affordable Health Care for America Act" as usual the verbiage is excessive and ambiguous..If they have no ulterior motives why not use concise understandable verbiage? | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/31/2009 3:03:04 PM |
If people always view their political opposition as ENEMIES maybe we need to let the secession begin and get it over with.
The opposition begins talk of secession simply because thier Christian conservative 'wet dream' died with the failure of thier side to prevail in the national elections... And one wonders why they are seen as "enemies of America"...? Advocating the break-up of America is NOT acting as an "enemy of America"...? How wonderfully obtuse... illogical... "FOX-like"...
I am in the process of reading the monstrosity that the Dems call the "Affordable Health Care for America Act" as usual the verbiage is excessive and ambiguous..If they have no ulterior motives why not use concise understandable verbiage?
Perhaps it has to do with the fact that legislation is NOT a "Dick and Jane" reader... legislation MUST be written in formal, legal language... if it wasn't it would not stand for even a day in the courts...
That YOU have difficulty with the language... with understanding the legalese of legislation... is NOT a challenge to the legislation... it IS a challenge to YOU... a challenge to increase your knowledge... | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/31/2009 3:17:32 PM | The opposition begins talk of secession
Actually I seceded several years ago. LOL I think it would be in our best interests to form 2 separate countries. Then the blue states can go whole hog on socialism and the red states can go their way. It can all be done legally without a war. A peaceful separation will allow both groups the government that they seek. All the energy spent on debate and political parties could be reclaimed and put toward something more productive.
Frankly as a Canadian, I don't know if you can completely understand that concept since you have no skin in the game.
Perhaps it has to do with the fact that legislation is NOT a "Dick and Jane" reader... legislation MUST be written in formal, legal language... if it wasn't it would not stand for even a day in the courts...
The last time I checked, The Constitution is a legal document that founded an entire nation and came in at 4500 words. 2,000 pages is ridiculous when Congressmen are admitting they don't read the bills because they are too long. It would seem that some attempt at brevity is preferable to that outcome.
Congressman John Conyers had a moment of clarity in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW7mOaPnYYA | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/31/2009 3:45:33 PM |
The opposition begins talk of secession simply because thier Christian conservative 'wet dream' died with the failure of thier side to prevail in the national elections... And one wonders why they are seen as "enemies of America"...? Advocating the break-up of America is NOT acting as an "enemy of America"...? How wonderfully obtuse... illogical... "FOX-like"... Frankly as a Canadian, I don't know if you can completely understand that concept since you have no skin in the game.
Hmmm ... that "Canadian" voted for OBAMA ... so maybe he does have some skin in the game after all ... eh?
And I'm betting he would not have any problem whatsoever reading and understanding the formal, legal language contained in the document.
Actually I seceded several years ago. LOL I think it would be in our best interests to form 2 separate countries.
Ya ... I'd say that reads like an "enemy of America" ... Grayson is right. | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/31/2009 5:01:49 PM |
Hmmm ... that "Canadian" voted for OBAMA ... so maybe he does have some skin in the game after all ... eh?
If that is the case, then he found a good place that fits his political philosophy.
Ya ... I'd say that reads like an "enemy of America" ... Grayson is right.
I don't think divisive statements add anything to the discussion.
Why are you so upset? The Dems rule America with a majority in the Senate and the House. Why is Grayson so inane toward Republicans? Dems can PASS whatever they want. They should do it and quit whining that the Republicans are not going along for the ride into Peking. | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/31/2009 8:24:38 PM |
I don't think divisive statements add anything to the discussion. I'm not trying to be disruptive. This is a debate. There will be conflicting ideas and opinions. That doesn't make a statement "divisive" ... or is it only "divisive" when the statement doesn't agree with what you think?
The thread is about how Alan Grayson thinks that Fox Noise and their Republican collaborators are the enemy of America.
I think he's right. And remember ... it's going to look like he's right as long as the Republicans are fighting everything OBAMA does.
Why is Grayson so inane toward Republicans? Grayson is not being ridiculous ... he's just calling it the way he sees it and it just so happens there are an awful lot of us that see it his way.
For a man who has seceded already ... it sure seems like you are taking this quite seriously. What's your stake in it if you no longer consider yourself as part of this country? What do you care if Grayson is actually doing what he was elected to do ... represent the people!!!! | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/1/2009 4:37:25 AM | The enemies of America are those who would stifle opposition and debate from any of her citizens. Only through inclusion, regardless of political ideology, good honest debate and compromise can we ensure that we have a nation and a government that provides for the common defense and promotes the general welfare while ensuring that all her citizens are able to enjoy life, libery, and the pursuit of happiness.
Calling those that disagree with us based on political ideology "enemies of America' is counterproductive and only stirs up hate and animosity while ensuring that we are so polarised and divided as a nation that we can't see the forest for the trees and finaly take steps TOGETHER to achieve what we all really want which is the ability to enjoy life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/1/2009 9:38:35 AM |
The enemies of America are those who would stifle opposition and debate from any of her citizens. So ... then those who would stifle the ability of millions of Americans from the opportunity to purchase affordable health care/benefits ... what would that be?
Calling those that disagree with us based on political ideology "enemies of America' is counterproductive and only stirs up hate and animosity ... So perhaps he should have worded it differently ... instead of saying "Fox News and their Republican collaborators are the enemy of America", maybe he should have said "Fox News and those who go along with their ideology ... are the enemy of America".
I think it's clear that Fox News is the entertainment media promoting the Republican ideology, so in my opinion, it is the Republicans who are doing their best to stifle the availability for all Americans to get/have affordable health care.
How can that be interpreted as anything other than the "enemy of millions of Americans"?
It's difficult to have such a "La-La Land" and "everything's gonna be okay" outlook on life when you have to start each day wondering if that will be the day that your health fails you to the point that you will simply lose everything ... knowing that if something should happen to one of your children that you'll end up losing the roof over their head in order to pay to keep them alive ... wondering if you'll make enough money this month to pay for the prescriptions you need to just keep living. (Some prescriptions for something as common as G.E.R.D. cost over $500.00 per month. For someone trying to live on $20,000. a year, that's about 1/2 of their monthly net pay.)
It would be great if we could count on those we elected to just "buddy up" and do what would be best for the general welfare for all the citizens so they could truly enjoy life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, but I think it's apparent that's not happening and won't be happening anytime soon ... well, maybe it happens for you in your little corner of the universe, but that doesn't appear to be reality for a lot of us.
From where I sit, taking my family into consideration, things just aren't that rosy and whether you like it or not, the Republicans really do look like the "enemy of America" right now.
I know you mean well by coming in here and posting the "Pollyanna" stuff, but could you at least make it a little more realistic? | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/1/2009 10:35:36 AM | | The only enemies of America are those who are concentrating on a Health Care Reform that wont go into effect for years while people are losing jobs every day..Unemployment at 10% closer to 20% when those who have fallen of the rolls are factored in..And all the Enemies of America in power are concerned with is forcing HCR while people can't even pay their mortgages,rent, utilities,gas and Food.....HCR is important but those advocating for it are enemies of America because they are purposefully leading people to believe that HCR will be immediate and that they will immediately benefit......the poor already receive Health Care .... | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/1/2009 10:57:27 AM | leading people to believe that HCR will be immediate and that they will immediately benefit......the poor already receive Health Care ....
How true...the demoncraps want us to start paying NOW for something that will not even be in affect for several years. They want to raise every tax they can think of to help pay, they want to tax employers, they want to LIE and say no new taxes, they Lie and say it will not harm the deficit...they just lie and use scare tactics...typical lib BS...they want to take care away from our seniors..they claim to be giving them and extra$250.00///my question is this...you want to help the seniors...do not take away their health care...do not pretend that a few dollars given one time is going to save their lives...
This liberal shit is going to far folks. Yes, health care needs reformed...but this crap they are doing BEHIND CLOSED doors will do more harm than good. I thought the obammanation was going to make sure Washington was going to be an open book? Why are they hiding and lying about everything? | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/1/2009 11:03:53 AM | Well then, open your door.
Read about the HCR proposal on the 'Net.
Future-thinking is a great idea.
Planning ahead--I suppose that's what happened to the downfall of the Troglodytes--no future-thinking.
They just kept draggin' their hairy knuckles across the cave floor--never looked outside at what was happening in the real world...
Poor Troglodytes... | |
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