| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/1/2009 11:11:07 AM | .
How true...the demoncraps want us to start paying NOW for something that will not even be in affect for several years.
People with preexisting conditions will be able to Purchase from the H/C insurance companies you favor IMMEDIATLY...
To only delay will be the DREADED HATED Public Option.........
The seniors GAIN IMMEDIATLY, The Wonderful GOP Donut hole is reduced....
TOO bad Walmart can negotiate Drug price But its illegal for Medicare.............
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/1/2009 11:26:26 AM | Hey Jack...how is a ONETIME payment a gain for the seniors when they are losing health care benefits? Is that $250 going to replace the cost of living increase they will NOT BE GETTING? Is the $250 going to pay the doctor bills and medication for them? Typical lib lies..........
Here is the truth folks...the liberals want to control everything...
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/16248
The DEMOCRAT’s are doing what they do best; lying to voters
By Alan Caruba Tuesday, October 27, 2009
Whatever healthcare legislation is passed will be (a) a pack of lies and (b) end up costing well beyond the estimates that range from hundreds of billions to beyond a trillion dollars.
One way or the other, the DEMOCRATS led by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid will find a way to pass something, anything, called healthcare reform. It simply does not matter that most voters have concluded it is yet another liberal-inspired, utopian disaster. And the only good news is that they might as well be signing the Party’s death notice in 2010.
History, as always, provides the best measure against which to determine what the future holds. This is because people, political parties, and others invariably make the same mistakes over and over again.
Let us take a look at Social Security.
When Franklin Roosevelt, a DEMOCRAT, introduced the Social Security (FICA) program he promised that participation would be completely voluntary and that the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual incomes into the program. These days, one is enrolled in Social Security at birth!
Participants were told that the money they to put into Social Security would be tax deductible from their income. Today, Social Security payments are taxed as income.
It was the DEMOCRAT Party that eliminated the income tax deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding. Former Vice President, Al Gore, cast the tie-breaking vote.
The integrity of Social Security was to be ensured by an independent “trust fund” and would not be mingled with the government’s general operating fund. FICA payments would be used solely to fund the Social Security retirement program.
It was Lyndon Johnson and the DEMOCRAT controlled House and Senate that eliminated the independent “trust fund” and put it into the General Fund so that Congress could spend it.
The DEMOCRAT Party, led by Jimmy Carter, decided to give Social Security annuity payments to immigrants who at age 65 would be eligible to receive payments. The Party gave these payments to them even though they may have never paid a dime into the program.
And, finally, for the first year since 1975, Social Security beneficiaries will not receive a cost of living adjustment in 2010 despite the fact that the cost of food, energy and healthcare continues to climb and the value of the dollar declines against other currencies.
Healthcare costs can be addressed. Simply permitting insurance companies to sell policies across state lines in the same fashion as auto, home, and other insurance is sold would increase competition and spread the risks. As it is, the insurance industry has a paltry 2.2% profit margin and the proposed healthcare reforms would put them out of business.
So, as you watch the machinations involving five different versions of “healthcare reform”, each ranging up to and beyond a thousand pages, you might want to write your Senator and Representative urging them to reject this latest fleecing of Americans.
You need not write if they are Republicans as that Party is almost unanimously opposed to it.
The DEMOCRAT’s are doing what they do best; lying to voters.
This “healthcare reform” seems to have as its goal the further destruction of the economy, the degrading of the healthcare system, and further control over the most intimate decisions Americans and their physicians make regarding their lives.
If passed, in some cases, they will be told to go home and die. | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/1/2009 11:31:49 AM | "From where I sit, taking my family into consideration, things just aren't that rosy and whether you like it or not, the Republicans really do look like the "enemy of America" right now.
I know you mean well by coming in here and posting the "Pollyanna" stuff, but could you at least make it a little more realistic? "
I retired from the military after 27 years last year and my house will be auctioned off by the Mortgage Company on the 4th of November so believe me, from where I sit things aren't so rosy either Cotter. Again, all this hate spewing and disruptiveness isn't doing a thing to help out me, you, or any other person in this country except those that want us so busy divided and fighting amongst ourselves that we don't have the inclanation to sit down and make some basic fixes to making this a better place for all of us.
My "Pollyanna Stuff" believe it or not is the way that we need to approach fixing things because otherwise anything that is put in place by one party will be easier to be overturned when the other party takes power..which sooner or later they will. Until we stop thinking as Republicans or Democrats and start acting as Americans there will be no lasting change except for those that none of us wants. | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/1/2009 11:40:32 AM |
while people can't even pay their mortgages,rent, utilities,gas and Food..... Ya ... I wonder how many can't pay their mortgage or rent because they are ill and can't get health care? I wonder how many can't pay their utilities because they have to buy food because they are also making payments on medical bills that wouldn't have been there if the people they worked for would have offered them health benefits.
Congress has health benefits ... why can't every American have health benefits without having to go to the poorhouse?
.the poor already receive Health Care .... In what way? If a family earns enough to put a roof over their head and food on the table ... they no longer qualify for any of the programs available for the indigent.
Anyone who is concerned that making health care and health benefits affordable for all Americans might cost too much ... should be rallying to bring the troops home. Those illegal wars have cost us enough that we could be providing free health care to all Americans.
Anyone who promotes the idea that it's okay for over 120 Americans to die every day for lack of health insurance, is an enemy of America.
Future-thinking is a great idea.
Planning ahead That's asking them to think past the end of their nose and not be so selfish. | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/1/2009 11:53:15 AM | | Cotter, while I agree with many of the things that you say.. specificaly that all Americans deserve healthcare without going to the poor house. You lose ALL credability when you say that those who do not agree with you or your viewpoints are enemies of America. None of us have been appointed as the person who gets to decide who is and isn't an enemy of America and just because you say it enough times doesn't make it so. | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/1/2009 12:01:14 PM |
This “healthcare reform” seems to have as its goal the further destruction of the economy, the degrading of the healthcare system, and further control over the most intimate decisions Americans and their physicians make regarding their lives.
If passed, in some cases, they will be told to go home and die.
Healthcare is eating up 16% of our GDP now and growing at a tremendous rate. At least 6% higher than any other developed nation. How is that not the fast track to the destruction of our economy? Americans and their doctors are not now in control of their most intimate decisions, your managed care makes many of those decisions and 25% of your doctor's overhead goes to dealing with insurance. As far as being told to go home and die, if you are uninsured and not poor enough for medicaid or old enough for medicare that is the situation Americans are in right now. We all now that you've got yours and don't want it messed with. I've got mine too, but I know I am only a job away from losing that. I also think that everyone should have access to reasonably affordable healthcare. | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/1/2009 12:05:54 PM | .
Hey Jack...how is a ONETIME payment a gain for the seniors when they are losing health care benefits? Is that $250 going to replace the cost of living increase they will NOT BE GETTING? Is the $250 going to pay the doctor bills and medication for them? Typical lib lies..........
What does this have to do with H/C bill Or the Donut hole?
"Here is the truth folks.."??????
Healthcare costs can be addressed. Simply permitting insurance companies to sell policies across state lines in the same fashion as auto, home, and other insurance is sold would increase competition and spread the risks. As it is, the insurance industry has a paltry 2.2% profit margin and the proposed healthcare reforms would put them out of business.
This is total fiction........ OUT OF Business......2.2% NET TAXABLE PROFIT........
2.2% After CEO pay, Bonus, Stock Repurchase, Dividends ............
DUMPING $400 million on advertising and Lobby on CONGRESS.........
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/2008/industries/223/index.html
Stock Holder equity increased DOUBLE DIGIT... did your pay go up 10-18% last year?... How about your tax rate... CEO bonus and Stock gain Tax rate 15% or not at all .......... Whats your tax rate?............
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/1/2009 12:35:52 PM |
while I agree with many of the things that you say.. specificaly that all Americans deserve healthcare without going to the poor house. You lose ALL credability when you say that those who do not agree with you or your viewpoints are enemies of America. None of us have been appointed as the person who gets to decide who is and isn't an enemy of America and just because you say it enough times doesn't make it so.
Very well said. Interesting that so many feel that if you don't go lockstep with the current administration one is now an enemy.
Hey many didn't go lockstep with the last administration, including me but it did not get this bad. | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/1/2009 12:44:24 PM | Cotter...
What business do you have putting my profile on a post to further your own agenda? Do you honestly feel that it is your right to say and post whatever you want no matter what and no matter who you step on? Wait, what am I saying? It is your right to say what you want in a public forum; many of my friends made sure that you have that right. I will acknowledge your right to do so; although you seem to feel that if others say what is on their minds and don't agree with you that they are enemies of America.
I am sorry if the fact that I don't choose to wallow in misery and cry "oh woh is me" upsets you. Does it really bother you that much that I choose to try and have a more positive outlook on life despite whatever troubles I may or may not be going through?
That I feel we really can reach common ground and unite as a Country for the better good? It's funny to me that my outlook bothers you so much since you claim to be such a loyal supporter of the President and much of my current philosophy was developed reading The Audacity of Hope awhile back in a FOB in Aghanistan. Does the following seem familiar to you?
" [During the early part of my US Senate race], no blinding insights emerged from months of conversation. What struck me was how much of what they believed seemed to hold constant across race, region, religion, and class.
I told them that government couldn't solve all their problems. But with a slight change in priorities we could make sure every child had a decent shot at life and meet the challenges we faced as a nation. This book grows directly out of those conversations on the campaign trail. The ideals at the core of the American experience, and the values that bind us together despite our differences, remain alive in the hearts and minds of most Americans. The topic of this book is how we might begin the process of changing our politics and our civic life. I don't know exactly how to do it. But I offer personal reflections on those values and ideals that have led me to public life, and myown best assessment of the ways we can ground our politics in the notion of a common good.
Little clue for you, spend much of the last 8 years of your life in and out of combat zones like I have and you will learn to enjoy what you can in life and spend less time insulting others for your own enjoyment. You will also have much less tolerance and more distain for those who spew hate and divisiveness that leads to conflict and come to the conclusion that only by finding ways to further the common good and unity can we really make a diffrence. | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/1/2009 12:47:08 PM |
Interesting that so many feel that if you don't go lockstep with the current administration one is now an enemy.
... but it did not get this bad. Really? Interesting, that those of us who did not go lockstep with the past administration were treated like the enemy.
I guess you just weren't in the right place at the right time. I was one of the people that was asked to spy on my fellow Americans ... and when I refused, they threatened to take away my job. So don't come in here and tell me it did not get this bad, because I know differently.
We were often referred to as "treasonous traitors".
What business do you have putting my profile on a post to further your own agenda? Do you honestly feel that it is your right to say and post whatever you want no matter what and no matter who you step on? I quote what I have to in order to make my point. The bottom line is that it's not all gonna be okay.
What right do you have to come in here and be all "Pollyanna" and lecture any of us on how we should or should not behave. People are dieing because there are way too many who go around preaching that everything is gonna be okay ... we have to accept what is handed out to us ... just take it sitting down. Well I'm not one of those people.
Little clue for you, spend much of the last 8 years of your life in and out of combat zones like I have and you will learn to enjoy what you can in life and spend less time insulting others for your own enjoyment. I live in a combat zone. I'm the one who's out there taking care of all the casualties of that war.
I'm the one who sees it day after day ... what the lack of health insurance is doing to our people ... to our war vets who have been discarded by the VA.
You will also have much less tolerance and more distain for those who spew hate and divisiveness that leads to conflict and come to the conclusion that only by finding ways to further the common good and unity can we really make a diffrence. You want to do something for the common good ... tell these people about what it's like for your fellow vets to be discarded by the VA and not even given a dime to live on even though they are so disabled there is no way they can work and then they get told by the likes of some of these people in here that they are just lazy good-for-nothings and that if they would just get off their butts they too could have insurance.
I don't NEED a "Pollyanna" ... I have the book. | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/1/2009 12:57:22 PM | "I guess you just weren't in the right place at the right time. I was one of the people that was asked to spy on my fellow Americans ... and when I refused, they threatened to take away my job. So don't come in here and tell me it did not get this bad, because I know differently.
We were often referred to as "treasonous traitors". "
I am going to throw the "BS Flag" on the above statement just like I threw it in another post when you said that those of us who where going to vote or supported President Obama and served in the Military were being shot by our fellow soldiers on the battle field. | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/1/2009 1:16:34 PM |
I am going to throw the "BS Flag" on the above statement ... I really don't care if you believe it or not.
I am a home health nurse and we were asked to spy on our patients and their family members and anyone we could get to in the course of our work. Plumbers, electricians, cable installers, even Postal workers (I know that too because my sister and her husband and fellow school mates who work for the Post Office were told to do it and refused) ... we were all treated like the scum of the earth because we wouldn't get behind "Dubya" and do such awful things.
And yes ... they called us "treasonous traitors".
... just like I threw it in another post when you said that those of us who where going to vote or supported President Obama and served in the Military were being shot by our fellow soldiers on the battle field. You can post whatever you want ... it won't change what I know to be true and what others have posted and attested to as well. My own daughter ... over in the war zone ... let us know that they could not let it be known if they were in support of OBAMA.
It still won't change how I feel about those who are doing everything in their power to keep people from getting affordable health care. | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/1/2009 2:04:50 PM | "You want to do something for the common good ... tell these people about what it's like for your fellow vets to be discarded by the VA and not even given a dime to live on even though they are so disabled there is no way they can work and then they get told by the likes of some of these people in here that they are just lazy good-for-nothings and that if they would just get off their butts they too could have insurance."
Why do so many people feel the need to use us to make their points? The truth of the matter is that I will never get rich from the VA payment that I get for my disabilities; however, I wouldn't say that the 1500+ a month that I recieve is " not being given a dime". It did mean that I have to get another job when I retired because, although I also get a retirement check and a disability check, it isn't enough to be totaly comfortable but then again, I never expected it to be.
Luckily, I did get another job and even though it didn't come fast enough to save my house; I do know that I am at least in position to recover eventually as long as I am able to continue working. By the way, I got that other job based on the fact that I took advantage of every free minute that I had over my 27 year military career and earned 4 diffrent degrees while in the Military to prepare for the day when I no longer would be. They paid for that also...
Long and short of it is that while I didn't get rich from serving my country I feel that I made a good life for myself and that despite some temporary setbacks I can see the light at the end of the tunnel and I refuse to be bitter and let those setbacks make me hateful and divisive.
[I live in a combat zone. I'm the one who's out there taking care of all the casualties of that war.]
Are you really comparing what you do to me being in a combat zone? I won't even dignify that statement with a response.
I also find your comment that you "quote what you want to quote" in order to "prove your point" to say more than I can ever say about those that spew hate and divisiveness in their attempt to negate meaningful change. Why didn't you comment on the quote from the President? | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/1/2009 3:12:54 PM |
Why do so many people feel the need to use us to make their points? I don't choose to use "you" as a means to make a point. It's just how it seems to pan out in the line of work I do.
The truth of the matter is that I will never get rich from the VA payment that I get for my disabilities; however, I wouldn't say that the 1500+ a month that I recieve is " not being given a dime". I'm thrilled that you are getting "anything" a month and that you even get disability pay. I anticipate you also get all the medical care you need?
I happen to be talking about the vets that the VA conveniently deemed "A-OKAY" even though they were far from it and just shoved them to the curb without any further help. What about them? What about the ones with the "mental" problems that are lucky enough to encounter one of those VA docs that just sees no reason to acknowledge that it could be a problem?
Then there are the ones who were gainfully employed and got sucked up into the whole affair ... leaving house payments and car payments to their spouses and family even though the payments were calculated based on employment here stateside and not on one doing duty in a war zone.
Needless to say ... the spouse left behind lost it all through lack of appropriate income while the partner was in the war zone (apparently war zone income won't cover even a fraction of the mortgage and the mortgage company could care less that "Johnny is over doing his thing for Uncle Sam), only to come back in such bad shape that they are then unemployable (not that they had a job to come back to although that was the promise ... eh?) only to have the VA kick them to the curb ... saying it's all in their head and they just need to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and get a spine!!! Then we have their fellow Americans in here carrying on about what lazy good-for-nothings they are and if they can't get out and work like the rest of them ... they don't deserve the rewards. Well what about those who are out there punching the time clock but their employers just don't think it's necessary to offer their employees any kind of benefits even though 95% are willing to pay whatever it takes to get them?
So you see, I'm not talking about the ones who actually get a dime ... I'm talking about the ones who truly are not given a dime to live on but really can't hold a job related to their military service who are getting sucked up into all this selfishness as well as your regular Tom, D1ck, and Harry.
I'm talking about people like my family members who are truly putting forth the effort at a young age to not be a burden to society but can't get ahead because they have a child with a minor but chronic problem that causes multiple doctor visits every month and lots of high-priced medication. They both work for employers who are very well off and have everything they need but don't think it's important for their employees to have health benefits.
Our young people are the future of America and we are just turning our backs on them. If they can't stay healthy and raise healthy families ... there is no future for America.
Paint it any way you want, but it seems to me that people who are not willing to even consider any of that ... are enemies of America. They're enemies of the future of America.
I live in a combat zone. I'm the one who's out there taking care of all the casualties of that war. Are you really comparing what you do to me being in a combat zone? I won't even dignify that statement with a response.
Let me just say that I resent how you consistently question my statements regarding my daughter's service to this country and what she tells me. Talk about arrogant ... the liberal lady's daughter only tells lies about her experiences as an officer in the war zone. Is that the way you see it or am I just not interpreting you appropriately? | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/1/2009 3:13:23 PM | "I am convinced that whenever we exaggerate or demonize, oversimplify or overstate our case, we lose. For it is the predictability of our current political debate, that keeps us from finding new ways to meet the challenges we face. It is what keeps us locked in "either/or" thinking: the notion that we can only have big government or no government; the assumption that we must either tolerate 46 million uninsured or embrace "socialized medicine."
It is such partisanship that have turned Americans off. What is needed is a broad majority who are re-engaged and who see their own self-interest as inextricably linked to the interest of others. "
Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p. 39-40 Oct 1, 2006
Now those are great words and the reason that I voted for President Obama, what I want now is to see these words actually put into practice by all of us. And that my friend will be my last word in this post because it has already lasted too long and life is too short to argue for the sake of arguing which is all any of us are really doing here because it isn't going to change a thing as long as we are so divided. | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/1/2009 3:52:49 PM |
Only through inclusion, regardless of political ideology, good honest debate and compromise can we ensure that we have a nation and a government that provides for the common defense and promotes the general welfare while ensuring that all her citizens are able to enjoy life, libery, and the pursuit of happiness.
Well gee... the Repubes were asked to participate from day one... Some, a very few, have taken that up... but a great many... and the loudest of the bunch... have deliberately and willfully CHOSEN to not participate in any constructive way...
this extremely loud, obnoxious majority of Repubes have CHOSEN to place themselves outside... screaming about "socialists" and "communists" from the day Obama took office... before ANYTHING had been done...
This extremely obnoxious majority of Repubes have been screaming about little more than "birth certificates", "socialists", "terrorist sympathizers" and "the destruction of America" from day one... rather than participating in any remotely constructive way...
If they WANT to be included... all they need do is participate... rather than purposely putting themselves outside and then screaming about being ignored. | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/1/2009 8:40:36 PM | | Why should they participate when the Democrats in power are just going to do what they want to do anyways? Better to stand by your principals than be a part of something you don't believe in. Compromising what you believe in serves what purpose exactly? Do the Democrats or Liberals want to really compromise? Seriously if they did why is there a Public option in every proposed HCR bill? There can be reform without a Government option. So you are OK with the Democrats standing fast by their principals while Republicans compromise theirs for the sake of the appearance of Bipartisanship? | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/1/2009 8:49:39 PM | ^^^^ Maybe because a huge majority of Americans voted for this president (and a democratic majority in both houses of congress) knowing that this was in the cards? Maybe because most Americans are actually IN FAVOR of a public option? If republicans want to stand by their "principles" (profit over people) then all they have to do is vote against whatever bill comes before them--it's called representative government (ever heard of it)? Right now, instead of that they are doing everything they can to prevent EVEN allowing the representatives of the PEOPLE to vote.
But you are missing the point of what mungojo said. The republicans aren't defending their "principles" when they scream "socialist" and "communist" or push the "birther" agenda. They are CREATING imaginary "dangers" to frighten their uninformed followers with. Isn't there a word we use to describe people whose agenda is to "terrorize" people? | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/1/2009 9:02:17 PM |
Now those are great words and the reason that I voted for President Obama, what I want now is to see these words actually put into practice by all of us.
Those are great words.
Actually Obama's words are the reason many voted for him, yet it seems that many are finding that many of his words were just that words and nothing else. | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/1/2009 9:59:09 PM |
Maybe because a huge majority of Americans voted for this president
Not really. In fact just a little over half of the voters voted voted for this president. Let's not stretch it. McCain didn't even try to run a campaign, didn't have near the money Obama had, didn't get a prime time pre-election special on tv, and still got almost half the vote. Imagine what is going to happen when we get a real candidate in there, not one set up to lose. The "enemies of America" will rise again!! | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/2/2009 5:13:43 AM |
Not really. In fact just a little over half of the voters voted voted for this president. Let's not stretch it. McCain didn't even try to run a campaign, didn't have near the money Obama had, didn't get a prime time pre-election special on tv, and still got almost half the vote. Imagine what is going to happen when we get a real candidate in there, not one set up to lose. The "enemies of America" will rise again!!
You just keep telling yourself that, ready. Nothing like a few facts to get in the way of your fantasies.
He won by like ten million votes. And a margin over McCain in the popular vote of nearly 7%. That's the largest majority since Reagan.
Obama: 69,498,215
McCain: 59,948,240
You may not like it, but the people DID speak. And they don't agree with you. | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/2/2009 7:58:51 AM |
You may not like it, but the people DID speak. And they don't agree with you.
Wow, you are speaking for a lot of people because according to your numbers about 60 million (59,948,240 to be exact) do agree with me. And from what I understand that number is growing every time Obama makes a move or opens his mouth. Let's just say I'm not real worried. | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/2/2009 7:49:24 PM |
Not really. In fact just a little over half of the voters voted voted for this president. Let's not stretch it. McCain didn't even try to run a campaign, didn't have near the money Obama had, didn't get a prime time pre-election special on tv, and still got almost half the vote. Imagine what is going to happen when we get a real candidate in there, not one set up to lose. The "enemies of America" will rise again!!
when we get a real candidate in there,
Do you have anyone in mind? | |
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