| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/2/2009 8:05:56 PM | What I seen on this thread is much hypocrisy. Joe Wilson has been pillored by the left.
Then Grayson who has no couth or common decency is respected as a great truth teller despite having multiple incidents of bad behavior. He continues acting like an unmannerly child while his party cheers him on. It's not a pretty sight, watching a member of our Congress behave so badly.
I don't care what his opinions are; he should be able express himself without being so demeaning to other Americans. | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/3/2009 6:26:31 AM | Pirate...
Grayson is a liberal wack job. Just like those who voted for the obama..It is understood that the liberals can say and do anything and get away with it. Anyone who is not a liberal wack job has to keep their opinions to themselves or they are vilified! Two faced liberal politics as usual. | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/3/2009 8:20:38 AM | Grayson calls it the way he sees it and he points out the truth. If the Republicans don't want it to be known that they are stalling with all kinds of dumb antics even when it comes to taking votes, then they shouldn't act the way they do.
Is it not appropriate to point out that there is a lot of purposeful stalling going on by the Republicans ... who apparently do not want our most vulnerable citizens to get affordable health care?
Is it not appropriate to point out that they are taking all kinds of money from the insurance companies and just tuning out the needs of Americans?
Republicans are just upset that he's drawing so much attention to them ... exposing them on how they are turning their backs on America's needs. Their behavior does not appear to be very pro-America ... so naming them as "enemies of America" seems appropriate to me. | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/3/2009 8:30:47 AM |
I don't care what his opinions are; he should be able express himself without being so demeaning to other Americans.
This seems to be becoming a habit with the Democrats when people do not go their way. Just look at the names and defamatory insulting insinuations that they made about the people who were questioning the Health Care Mess at Town Halls during the summer.
This is why some politicians just might be out looking for a new job when they are looking for re-election. | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/3/2009 9:33:31 AM |
Is it not appropriate to point out that there is a lot of purposeful stalling going on by the Republicans ... who apparently do not want our most vulnerable citizens to get affordable health care?
We already have such a program called medicaid. | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/3/2009 10:48:54 AM | You are assuming that the most vulnerable are the very poor. The most vulnerable may be the working class whose employers do not offer health insurance, or it is so expensive they would have to turn over a huge percentage of their paycheck for the coverage. Or how about those that need to buy private insurance but have pre-existing conditions and get it. They might be considered our most vulnerable these days.
Grayson deals in hyperbole as do many on the right like Michelle Bachman. None of them are doing anything to help civil discourse in this country or tackle real issues. The sound bite for the ultra partisan crowd is what they specialize in. | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/3/2009 11:04:32 AM | RATE quote] This seems to be becoming a habit with the Democrats when people do not go their way. Just look at the names and defamatory insulting insinuations that they made about the people who were questioning the Health Care Mess at Town Halls during the summer.
This is why some politicians just might be out looking for a new job when they are looking for re-election.
Maybe the picture would get a little clearer for us if you would supply a source, if you have no source it would be more accurate to say in my humble but biased opinion I think the democrats were calling people names and even that may be inaccurate so maye a more accurate statement would be: some body was shouting and calling names at town hall meetings | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/3/2009 9:20:33 PM |
Those illegal wars have cost us enough that we could be providing free health care to all Americans.
I'm curious to know where your idea of "free" comes in to play. Nothing is free. At least not for me. Maybe for those who receive medicaid , food stamps, etc. It's free for the receivers, but not for the tax paying citizens of this country ( the providers). Please help me understand.
These politicians are making personal problems and inconveniences a nationwide problem. They should expand the government services we already have. Since people are out of work right now, temporarily broaden the eligibility range for medicaid, food stamps, etc. The majority of the country is employed and with health insurance. Why transform the nation's healthcare system for such a small portion of the population?
It's just like saying 3 million people nationwide are living under city bridges. Let's pass a bill that mandates all Americans pay to house these individuals. We don't know why they are living there...they could be poor, crackheads, unemployed, disabled, plain lazy, illegals who are on the run, pregnant teens that got thrown out of the house, the list goes on. The point= people are homeless for a variety of reasons, people don't have health insurance for a variety of reasons. We, us personally, don't know why they are without it or why they are in the situation they are in. But we would have to pay for it with our tax dollars despite not knowing. obviously the majority of the country is not living under bridges so.....should this still be a nationwide crisis?
Oh yes and illegal wars?? I don't know how current you are on the issues, but was it not Obama that sent more troops overseas a couple months ago? | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/4/2009 6:08:00 AM |
I don't know how current you are on the issues, but was it not Obama that sent more troops overseas a couple months ago? Maybe 14-year olds don't pay that much attention to current events, so let me remind you that President OBAMA did not start the "illegal" war. And since he inherited it (from the previous administration), he is also obligated to fulfill commitments the previous administration made.
That order (from the previous president) to send troops overseas was laying on the previous VP's desk for about 8 months ... and had only partially been filled. President OBAMA just finally finished it.
The wars have not only bankrupted our country, they have also caused a lot of our citizens personal bankruptcy. People who took out mortgages based on a double income were suddenly down to one income and a fraction of the 2nd income since "war zone" pay is considerably less than what our service personnel are making stateside in their regular jobs.
It doesn't take long to lose the roof over your head when you can't make the regularly scheduled payments and the mortgage companies really could care less if "Johnny" or "Susie" is over playing "shoot 'em up bang bang" in the Middle East ... the payment has to be made or they take the home away from you and you lose everything you put into it.
To rub salt in the wound, there is the big possibility that the person who went off to war ... who gave their job up to go off to war, was the one who was getting medical benefits for the family. No more job, no more medical benefits means all medical expenses are now coming out of the family budget which basically does not exist any more. Without appropriate health care, a person can get sick and not be able to work, so there goes the other income the family had.
I'm curious to know where your idea of "free" comes in to play. If we had taken the money that we have pumped into the "illegal" wars up to this date ... and just paid for health care for every single person in the US ... we'd be much further ahead right now because then people would not have been going bankrupt for lack of money to pay medical costs, and the whole nation would be a lot healthier.
But I don't expect youngsters to get that ... especially when the biggest worries they have ever had so far is worrying about whether their shoes match their clothes before they run off to school each morning.
They aren't trying desperately to keep a roof over their head while their spouse is off in some foreign land getting shot at, they don't have to be concerned about making house payments, they don't have to be concerned about a child with a chronic health problem (something no parent would wish for themself), they aren't being care givers for their terminally ill parents while trying to hold down a full time job (perhaps two jobs).
Grayson tells it like it is in real life and he calls it the way he sees it. Right now, the Republicans do represent what could easily be "enemies of America". | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/4/2009 10:07:31 AM |
But I don't expect youngsters to get that ... especially when the biggest worries they have ever had so far is worrying about whether their shoes match their clothes before they run off to school each morning.
hilarious...I'm a youngster that's a 2nd year medical school student. And for the record, I could care less if my shoes match my clothes. :-)
They aren't trying desperately to keep a roof over their head while their spouse is off in some foreign land getting shot at, they don't have to be concerned about making house payments, they don't have to be concerned about a child with a chronic health problem (something no parent would wish for themself), they aren't being care givers for their terminally ill parents while trying to hold down a full time job (perhaps two jobs).
Welcome to LIFE. Everyone's life is not going to be a fairy tale. Mine isn't, yours may not be. Just me waking up this morning satisfies me enough, because you know what, some people didn't.
But, I understand what you are saying. No one wants our troops overseas fighting what is a pointless war. During Obama's campaign he preached about bringing the troops home...is that going to be accomplished?...probably not. But what you have to understand is that when the soldiers enlisted in the armed forces, they knew what they were getting themselves into. No one forced them to join. There is a possibility of war, and when you have to go, you have to go. I have 2 relatives overseas, and Lord knows I'd like for them to return safely. But it was their CHOICE, and they are respected for what they are doing.
There is no point in whining or complaining about it. If you are the spouse of someone in the armed forces, yes...it is sad what is going on right now, but you chose to be with that person and should have understood the circumstances. | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/4/2009 10:18:29 AM |
This seems to be becoming a habit with the Democrats when people do not go their way. Just look at the names and defamatory insulting insinuations that they made about the people who were questioning the Health Care Mess at Town Halls during the summer.
This is why some politicians just might be out looking for a new job when they are looking for re-election.
Seems to be a continuing habit with Republicans also. . .
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/11/gop_representat.html | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/4/2009 10:44:47 AM | Message 135 ...
And all of that relates to Alan Grayson in what way?
I commented on our troops and their dilemma to show why I made the remark about all the money we have put towards the war effort and how if we're going to flush it down the drain, it would have been better spent providing our nation with health care for all.
I did not write that just to get your opinion about whether or not a person should join the military and make that sacrifice. I wrote of it because it is a huge contributing factor to so many Americans NOT HAVING HEALTH CARE ... it still doesn't change the fact that we need affordable health care for all Americans.
Right now it appears as if it is the Republicans who want to keep it from those who are most vulnerable. For me, that translate into an "enemy to America" and I admire Grayson for being so honest about it and pointing it out. | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/4/2009 12:03:09 PM | | Whether they are enemies or not it still looks as if the vast majority sure loves a Democratic president ABC News/Wash Post poll period 10/15 - 10/18 and 1004 polled +57% is Obamas Approval rating 40% is Obamas Disapproval rating and 3% didn't know what they think,bet they're fond of Obama though ,but thats just my opinion,they're probably just shy ! | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/4/2009 12:06:40 PM | ^^^It has nothing to do with Alan Grayson. Maybe you should re-read your post. You're the one that changed the subject and brought up the military and their spouse's not being able to function while they're away. What that has to do with Alan Grayson you tell me?
If you can see, my comment was in response to YOUR post, that is why you are quoted. Is it clear? | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/4/2009 12:57:36 PM | @ Message 139 (oluvlyme) ...
^^^It has nothing to do with Alan Grayson. Maybe you should re-read your post. You're the one that changed the subject and brought up the military ... As I wrote in message 137 ... I commented on our troops and their dilemma to show why I made the remark about all the money we have put towards the war effort (in answer to your question as to where "free" comes into play).
I still maintain that all the money we have invested in an "illegal" war which is basically just flushing it down the toilet ... could have been invested a lot better here. For example ... it could have paid for health care for every single person in our nation. Instead of buying bombs and killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people, it could have given every single person in our nation free health care.
Now ... thinking past the end of our nose here (can you do that?) ... that would equate to no more bankruptcies related to not being able to pay medical bills, that would equate to people not losing their homes because they can't pay the mortgage because they have to pay medical bills. Do you see where I'm going with that thought?
To further antagonize the whole thing ... we seem to have a lot of people in here who believe that only the lazy good-for-nothings are having problems with coming up with the money to pay for their own insurance and no one really needs a break with health care reform. They seem to believe that if all we do is get off our lazy asses we all could have health insurance.
These same people further state that they would never leave the war veterans in the lurch ... that we should indeed take care of them, but all the others are on their own and it's their own fault if they don't have insurance.
I pointed out the dilemma with some of the military families in order to draw attention to the fact that they too are part of the situation and are not lazy good-for-nothings and are falling into this problem because of an illegal war effort.
Grayson is just looking for the solution ... health care reform. But we are running up against the very people who took this nation to war, who drove this nation into bankruptcy, who refuse to do anything towards making health care affordable for all because they have this idea that they have theirs and they just don't care about the rest of those people who also need it.
Those people who need it are right now the most vulnerable people in our nation ... many of them are young struggling parents. They are the future of our nation. If we can't get them healthy and keep them healthy ... our nation has no future.
Most of the dilemma of our nation right now is connected in some sort of way with the "illegal wars" and the financial strain it has created for our nation and all the trickle down chain reactions to taking our nation to war for no damn good reason ... just because "The High Functioning Moron" decided he wanted to be a "war president".
He's got his and so do his cronies who got rich off the war ... now what about the little guy trying to grub it out in the trenches? Don't they deserve to have affordable health care?
Grayson is saying that anyone who is trying to keep us from health care reform (affordable health care for all Americans) ... from keeping our nation healthy and thriving ... they are "enemies of America" ... and I agree with him AND the rhetoric.
He's calling it the way he sees it and he's telling the truth.
Now how do you feel about Grayson? | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/4/2009 2:49:41 PM | The wars have not only bankrupted our country, they have also caused a lot of our citizens personal bankruptcy
Nonsense....total nonsense the wars we are involved in have cost less than a trillion dollars since the beginning in 2001. Obama's first year in office has accumulated 1.7 trillion and is proposed to be 1.4 trillion next year. This does not mean the wars are not expensive, but to claim they are the cause of the country going broke is not even close to being the truth.
link to cost of wars http://costofwar.com/
national debt http://www.usdebtclock.org/
The wars are less than 8% of our overall debt.... So we'll just pretend the other 92% of the debt has nothing to do with our financial dilema. Hell the bank bailouts cost almost as much as we have spent on both wars to date. | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/4/2009 3:00:40 PM |
Nonsense....total nonsense the wars we are involved in have cost less than a trillion dollars since the beginning in 2001. I wonder how much health care that could pay for?
Grayson is correct ... The Republicans are "enemies of America". | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/4/2009 3:02:55 PM | I don't want to argue the cost of war,just state that in a Bush budget,War was not included in the numbers,thats one reason Obamas numbers are so high compared to Bush ,also that Obama is using realistic figures and Bush liked to use numbers that looked better,yet in the end it all cost more than he ever said it would ! And also the fact that years of putting off fixing anything is falling into Obamas lap.If it had not been dumped on Obama it would have been the next guy that would of had extremely high figures.
You know you can't just build dikes,bridges,dams and grids and expect to coast decade after decade.But hey that method sure kept the costs down for the past administrations.And when you let Banks go willy nilly and go unregulated ,at some point someone has to pay,and since they had no money Bush and then Obama had to pay for their sins.Sins we allowed ,that is,but hey you guys want to keep government out of their capitalistic way of doing things,don't you !See where that got of,and you say private business can do better than government,ha,I say if under the constant public scrutiny with concrete penalties over their heads they can both do well. | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/4/2009 3:06:59 PM |
The wars are less than 8% of our overall debt.... So we'll just pretend the other 92% of the debt has nothing to do with our financial dilema. Hell the bank bailouts cost almost as much as we have spent on both wars to date.
Combine the war debt with the cost of healthcare 480 billion a year in 2007 and you have 25 % of our economy add in the drain on our economy by illegal immigration and it's not that hard to see why Congressman Grayson thinks the republicans are the enemies. 20 out of 28.9 years the republicans have been in control and they have done nothing to deal with Health Care or illegal immigration add in the cost of war not only to our economy but to the young men and women who serve our country.
I don't wonder why Congress person Grayson feels as he does, he just sees it as it is, the party of no is also the party of do nothing and that's on record | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/4/2009 3:08:21 PM |
I wonder how much health care that could pay for?
A bunch if the dems would chill out with that stupid healthcare "reform" bill they want to control people with. With it, about 5 years tops, I'd be willing to bet (figure they say a billion for 10 years, so knowing how faulty their math skills are, and the fact that 9000 pages of costly amendments will somehow get attached). | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/4/2009 3:42:24 PM |
The wars are less than 8% of our overall debt.... So we'll just pretend the other 92% of the debt has nothing to do with our financial dilema. Hell the bank bailouts cost almost as much as we have spent on both wars to date..
Economics and the Democrats crazy spending was one of the reasons for the results in yesterday's elections
Just maybe if we got the expensive plate that Obama has already overload under control, more people would be willing to trust him.
Its all the spending, along with playing the blame game that is getting the Obama and the elected democrats in trouble. | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/4/2009 3:54:31 PM |
Economics and the Democrats crazy spending was one of the reasons for the results in yesterday's elections
Just maybe if we got the expensive plate that Obama has already overload under control, more people would be willing to trust him.
Its all the spending, along with playing the blame game that is getting the Obama and the elected democrats in trouble. I was feeling blue,thanks for making me laugh,no one can twist it like you can !
A bunch if the dems would chill out with that stupid healthcare "reform" bill they want to control people with. With it, about 5 years tops, I'd be willing to bet (figure they say a billion for 10 years, so knowing how faulty their math skills are, and the fact that 9000 pages of costly amendments will somehow get attached). yes that silly bill,its if if nothing at all is broken,those darn Dems ! you make me laugh to,you question the ability to do math,then you say what you say,thats precious,thank you also for the laughs !Oh and the 9000 pages of attachments,yeah right,we presently have a 1900 page bill proposal thanks to the reams of crap the Republicans need to squeeze in it so we could stay bi partisan,lets take it from simple to complex,hey ,republicans are the best for that! | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/4/2009 4:00:10 PM |
Economics and the Democrats crazy spending was one of the reasons for the results in yesterday's elections
Just maybe if we got the expensive plate that Obama has already overload under control, more people would be willing to trust him.
Its all the spending, along with playing the blame game that is getting the Obama and the elected democrats in trouble.
I think that maybe Congressperson Grayson is on the right track, even though the republican party has been in control for 20 out of 28.9 years they have not faced two really tough issues while they were in power, they come out in force to defeat any health care reform package that the democrats come up with and then when they are in power they totally ignore the health care problems facing our country, they totally ignore the illegal immigrant problem we have and have had. Is Congress person Grayson wrong, not in my opinion in fact we need more democrats to pick up the message and spread it to the people | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/4/2009 4:00:48 PM | ^^^^Message 146 ...
We were discussing all the money that we have spent on the illegal wars and how much health care that could pay for instead of flushing it down the toilet by buying bombs and killing hundreds of thousands of people. I was saying with that in mind, I have no problem with Grayson making the statements he made.
Sooooo ... how do the following statements equate to the post in Message 1? Let's see ....
Economics and the Democrats crazy spending ... yadda, yadda ... and the results of yesterday's elections ... has what to do with Grayson's statement in Message 1 of this thread?
Just maybe if we got the expensive plate that Obama has already overload (whatever the hell that means?) ... yadda, yadda ... trust him ... has what to do with Grayson's statement in Message 1 of this thread?
Its all the spending, along with playing the blame game ... yadda, yadda ... the elected Democrats in trouble ... has what to do with Grayson's statement in Message 1 of this thread?
LMAO ... go discuss the elections in the threads that you started related to that!!!!
We weren't even remotely discussing yesterday's election (not to mention it is not the topic of the thread) ... so if you're going to jump in and add to the discussion, can you at least try to stick with what we were discussing? (See below)
"Fox News and their Republican collaborators are the enemy of America," Grayson told MSNBC's Ed Schultz on Wednesday. "They're the enemy of anybody who cares about health care in this country, the enemy of anybody who cares about educating their children, the enemy of anybody who wants energy independence or anything good for this country. And certainly the enemy of peace, there's no doubt about that. They are the enemy." | |
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| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/4/2009 4:03:14 PM | A bunch if the dems would chill out with that stupid healthcare "reform" bill they want to control people with. With it, about 5 years tops, I'd be willing to bet (figure they say a billion for 10 years, so knowing how faulty their math skills are, and the fact that 9000 pages of costly amendments will somehow get attached).
Seems that their Health Care Bill is not going to make Obama's schedule again.
Maybe if the Dems played a little nicer and quit throwing out slurs like Grayson they might have gotten a bit farther on the health care. | |
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