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 geeleebee

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Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/4/2009 4:45:29 PM

Maybe if the Dems played a little nicer and quit throwing out slurs like Grayson they might have gotten a bit farther on the health care.


That might be playground tactics, but we're talking real, grown up life where politicians are charged with keeping the best interest of the populace at the fore.

'Slurs' have no place in the discussion about health care reform. Seriously.

Health care for all American citizens isn't a quid-pro-quo Congressional deal, nor is health care reform a pawn--HCR is a necessity, not a game.

'if...Dems played a little nicer...' implies that HCR is a sport. It is not.

'Might have gotten farther...' implies that the Republicans are bullies who took the ball away, and now they're holding it just out of reach of the American people.
Is that the truth? ARE the Republicans bullies who stole the ball? ARE they dangling HCR over the heads of the American citizens to exact some kind of revenge?

If so, then Grayson's 'slur' was right on the mark.
 cotter

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Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/4/2009 5:11:16 PM

"Fox News and their Republican collaborators are the enemy of America," Grayson told MSNBC's Ed Schultz on Wednesday. "They're the enemy of anybody who cares about health care in this country, the enemy of anybody who cares about educating their children, the enemy of anybody who wants energy independence or anything good for this country. And certainly the enemy of peace, there's no doubt about that. THEY ARE the ENEMY." (My emphasis.)


Grayson got it right ...
The Republicans ARE the "enemy" of our young people ... the "enemy" of the future of America. The Republicans ARE just turning their backs on young struggling families.

If the future of America can't stay healthy and raise healthy families ... there is no future for America.

Paint it any way you want, but it seems to me that people who are not willing to even consider any of that ... ARE "enemies of America".

They're "enemies of the future of America".
 killene

Joined: 3/28/2009
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Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/4/2009 5:31:25 PM
Rep Grayson can say all the slurs he wants about the Republican party, but the voters spoke loud and clear in NJ and VA.

All one has to do is look at who NJ and VA picked at their new governors.

Hmmmm VA even picked Republicans as the Lt Governor and Attorney General. Guess NJ and VA thought Grayson's words were a bunch of crap too, not to mention the words of Obama as he campaigned for the Democrats running in NJ and VA. Biden didn't fair too well in his campaigning efforts in NJ either.

As long as Grayson and more people like him are around spouting off about the voters and the Republican party, Democrats wil see more losses. I say "Hey go for it Grayson, it's only your party's funeral you are helping"

 EarlzP

Joined: 12/9/2007
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Posted: 11/4/2009 5:51:25 PM

Rep Grayson can say all the slurs he wants about the Republican party, but the voters spoke loud and clear in NJ and VA.


What the democrats need are more people just like Congressperson Grayson, they have to take a page out of the republican play book and go after the republicans at every opportunity


All one has to do is look at who NJ and VA picked at their new governors.


I feel it will end up being a good thing for the 2010 senate races, the republican has made a lot of promises that he won't be able to keep, 11 months from now NJ will be in worst shape then it is right now and people will have a good reminder of why they voted the republicans out


Hmmmm VA even picked Republicans as the Lt Governor and Attorney General. Guess NJ and VA thought Grayson's words were a bunch of crap too, not to mention the words of Obama as he campaigned for the Democrats running in NJ and VA. Biden didn't fair too well in his campaigning efforts in NJ either.


Thats "Congressperson" Grayson's words are a bunch of crap? The republican's are nothing but a bunch that does nothing they talk the talk but never do more then talk, every time a democrat gets into office and addresses the issue of health care they agree it needs addressing and then do every thing they can to defeat health care reform, when they are in power and have the ability to pass a reform bill they do not even address health care reform, they do not address illegal immigration when they are in power, they only get involved to defeat reform, saying that they know we need reform by their lack of action when in power just shows that they are lying and Joe Wilson is a part of that lie, if he is really concerned why has he not authored a bill to reform healthcare, why has he not demanded a bill to address healthcare or illegal immigration.

It's time for the democrats to take off the gloves and go on the offense to rid our nation of these do nothing on the take republican carpetbaggers, Congress person Grayson is just what we need
 cotter

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Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/4/2009 6:23:49 PM

Congress person Grayson is just what we need.


He's right on the money and that's what's pissing the Republicans off so much. He's also been telling on them with their stall tactics and they are upset about that as well.

With Grayson in The House ... he's telling it all and the Repugnicans are being exposed for the "enemies of America" that they are.
 imalwayssmiling

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Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/4/2009 6:31:36 PM
it is true,the Republicans are Enemies of America,they have ruined so much,hold us hostage against change now,and demand more of the same stuff that hasn't worked before,and why,well for money.Trickle down is just a term,it doesn't mean anything actually trickles down to reach the masses.regular low income or poor people are something they say they are concerned about,you don't actually believe its true,its just a saying,it gives the impression they care !
 etourdi77

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Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/4/2009 6:49:21 PM
Saying Grayson is just telling it like it is like saying Glen Beck is just telling it like it is...........According to Grayson Republicans are the alleged enemies of America .....According to Beck Obama and his followers are.....It is interesting to note that at least Beck attempts a little research before making such statements Grayson just offers his worthless opinion.....So the answer is for the Government to forcibly take from those that have to give to those who don't, gotta love the Robin Hood mentality....

Kind of scary times when the Left is labeling the other side as enemies of the State as radical as Obama is proving to be I am sure you will all Embrace the New World Order and King Obama......
 EarlzP

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Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/4/2009 7:06:43 PM

Saying Grayson is just telling it like it is like saying Glen Beck is just telling it like it is...........According to Grayson Republicans are the alleged enemies of America .....According to Beck Obama and his followers are.....It is interesting to note that at least Beck attempts a little research before making such statements Grayson just offers his worthless opinion.....So the answer is for the Government to forcibly take from those that have to give to those who don't, gotta love the Robin Hood mentality....


Congressperson Grayson is right on the mark and it's time that the democrats take off the gloves and start to treat the Republicans like the enemies they are and have been. The republicans do a great job of attacking with one intent and that is to stall and delay any bill of significance until they can get back into power and once there they come up with bull like the Reagan trickle down that does not trickle. For 20 of the past 28.9 years the republicans have been in power why have they not tackled the tough issues like health care reform or illegal immigrants, why their lack of motivation, Maybe Congressperson Grayson has seen the light and knows that the reason they fight the democrats when the democrats bring these issues up is because their real bosses tell them to, they are not leaders they are bought and paid for reps of big business, if I am wrong if Congressperson Grayson is wrong tell me why the republicans have not tried while in power to tackle the tough issues of health care reform and illegal immigration
 imalwayssmiling

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Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/4/2009 7:07:56 PM

Kind of scary times when the Left is labeling the other side as enemies of the State as radical as Obama is proving to be I am sure you will all Embrace the New World Order and King Obama......
Yes but your side is not kind of scary,they are scary.You freaked me out all through Bush now I see from your side its the same logic and some is worse.You also try to discount the word of Grayson,but in reality after all your side has done now and in the past anyone could of said the same thing and I and some others would have agreed.Sometimes it doesn't take the countries finest example of witness to tell of things we already agree with.By all the ways you have been acting,all the lies,all the fight to help our citizens,yes,enemies of the state fits,its like your against a great portion of us.And you in particular and many of your side already stated how gays deserve unequal treatment,this country has alot of gay citizens,you even stated several times what you think of the poor.You even are against rich people not paying their share and seem to have a big problem with Obama trying to fix our infrastructure,you even hate him repairing our infrastructure,yes,in this case enemies of the state fits,your side defended torture of human beings,your side deemed those merely suspected as guilty and tortured them ,would not hear of rights!
 killene

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Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/5/2009 3:52:33 PM

Kind of scary times when the Left is labeling the other side as enemies of the State as radical as Obama is proving to be


Whats really scary is the lenghts that Grayson, the WH, and the elected Democrats have been going through to try and muzzle anything that says anything against them.

Thankfully many are waking and realinze that if we let the left run free as they are trying there will be an enemies list longer than McCarthy had in the 50s.
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 geeleebee

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Posted: 11/5/2009 4:04:10 PM

Whats really scary is the lenghts that Grayson, the WH, and the elected Democrats have been going through to try and muzzle anything that says anything against them.

Really.
Source?
Links?
Proof?


Thankfully many are waking and realinze that if we let the left run free as they are trying there will be an enemies list longer than McCarthy had in the 50s.

Really.
Source?
Links?
Proof?

Not that I really expect any.
 pirateheaven

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Posted: 11/5/2009 4:13:14 PM
Frankly I expect a little more decorum from public officials. I would also expect some better judgment. Aliening the other party so completely, precludes working together.

Apparently he has forgotten that the American people have voted for their representation. Their point of view should not be shut out because of Grayson's ideology.

I would expect all members of the Congress to have a working relationship with their peers whether or not they agree or disagree, because it in the best interests of the American people.

Grayson only wants to work with Democrats who AGREE with him. That position is reprehensible and he is doing the people in his district no favors.

If for example, when then Republicans pick up some seats, they may reject Graysons requests out of hand because of his continuous bashing.

Some partisans can justify anything and this thread unfortunately is a good example of that.
 killene

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Posted: 11/5/2009 4:26:39 PM

Frankly I expect a little more decorum from public officials. I would also expect some better judgment. Aliening the other party so completely, precludes working together.
Apparently he has forgotten that the American people have voted for their representation. Their point of view should not be shut out because of Grayson's ideology.
I would expect all members of the Congress to have a working relationship with their peers whether or not they agree or disagree, because it in the best interests of the American people.



Seems that the enemy list is the best way for Grayson, many of his elected Democrats, and the Obama and his WH. So far it seems to be setting a bad example of bullying from the WH and elected officials.

Yes other presidents had made some enemies with media outlets yet not to the lengths that Obama his WH and elected Democrats, such as Grayson, have gone.


Looking at the big picture of Obama's performance, two distinct patterns of missteps emerge. While neither involves serious constitutional issues, they spell trouble and help explain the fierce opposition to many of his signature policies even as he remains personally popular.
The first pattern shows his tendency to overuse the White House bully pulpit and cross the line of accepted behavior by employing his office and aides to demonize dissenters. His attacks on insurers, the US Chamber of Commerce, Fox News, tea-party protesters, even individuals all reveal an intolerance of criticism that falls outside the mainstream of American political tradition.
Clearly, the administration hasn't found its place in the pecking order, with the most shocking evidence coming from Valerie Jarrett, Obama's alter ego in the White House. She defended the attacks on Fox as showing how "we're going to speak truth to power."
The idea is laughable, but revealing that Team Obama still sees itself as an outsider and spouts counterculture nonsense. If Fox or any other critic attains more power than the president in the court of public opinion, it's because a weak president let it happen. Even worse, his trying to overcome the weakness by undermining critics only shrinks the presidency, as Richard Nixon taught us. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/wobbly_prez_power_trips_himself_sg3AYbmlsg69ghYoozlj4O
 EarlzP

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Posted: 11/5/2009 4:28:38 PM

Frankly I expect a little more decorum from public officials. I would also expect some better judgment. Aliening the other party so completely, precludes working together.

Apparently he has forgotten that the American people have voted for their representation. Their point of view should not be shut out because of Grayson's ideology.

I would expect all members of the Congress to have a working relationship with their peers whether or not they agree or disagree, because it in the best interests of the American people.

Grayson only wants to work with Democrats who AGREE with him. That position is reprehensible and he is doing the people in his district no favors.

If for example, when then Republicans pick up some seats, they may reject Graysons requests out of hand because of his continuous bashing.

Some partisans can justify anything and this thread unfortunately is a good example of that.


So now you expect a little more decorum, where were your expectations when Senator Joe Wilson yelled "you lie" at the President? I think Congressman Grayson has a perfect attitude, the democrats have been on the defence long enough it's time to take the offence. As far as the people in his district they will decide for them selves what they like and dislike
 pirateheaven

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Posted: 11/5/2009 4:38:35 PM
So now you expect a little more decorum, where were your expectations when Senator Joe Wilson yelled "you lie" at the President? I think Congressman Grayson has a perfect attitude, the democrats have been on the defence long enough it's time to take the offence. As far as the people in his district they will decide for them selves what they like and dislike


I am on the record that Sen. Joe Wilson was out of order and should apologize. He did apologize and that does not change the fact that he behaved badly.

However, all I am getting from the Libs here is the old double standard.

Having Grayson promote a toxic work environment is not going to help the people in his district if others refuse to work with HIM.
 oluvlyme

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Posted: 11/5/2009 4:51:36 PM

And you in particular and many of your side already stated how gays deserve unequal treatment,this country has alot of gay citizens


God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. Gay marriage conflicts with Christian values, as do abortions. I personally don't care if gay people marry or not because it has nothing to do with me. To each his own, as long as I'm able to walk through the gates of heaven im fine.


So the answer is for the Government to forcibly take from those that have to give to those who don't, gotta love the Robin Hood mentality....


You read my mind, I love this answer!! It's all about sharing the wealth. Total BS. People work hard to become doctors, lawyers, etc, to create a better life for themselves and their family, not for Begging Betty and her ten kids. It's all about turning someone else's problem into yours.
 EarlzP

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Posted: 11/5/2009 5:09:30 PM

You read my mind, I love this answer!! It's all about sharing the wealth. Total BS. People work hard to become doctors, lawyers, etc, to create a better life for themselves and their family, not for Begging Betty and her ten kids. It's all about turning someone else's problem into yours.


This thread is about Rep. Alan Grayson and his statement that the Republicans are Enemies of America, some may think he is wrong I think he is on to some thing if nothing more then treating the republicans in a way that says enough is enough I can give as well as I take and then stepping up to the plate and taking a swing
 oluvlyme

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Posted: 11/5/2009 5:15:20 PM

Now how do you feel about Grayson?


I think he's been overdosing on his Prozac = confused mental state. It's funny how anyone who has something is an enemy of America. Seeing how there are more that have, than those who don't. They are the majority so they are America!! So they're enemies of themselves??? Without them, there would be no America.

The have-nots, that small percentage, are moreso the enemies, they're like leaches who want to suck the system dry. And why not...if you're going to allow it?
 oluvlyme

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Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/5/2009 5:25:27 PM
This thread is about Rep. Alan Grayson and his statement that the Republicans are Enemies of America, some may think he is wrong I think he is on to some thing if nothing more then treating the republicans in a way that says enough is enough I can give as well as I take and then stepping up to the plate and taking a swing

You're right, enough is enough. It's ok to voice your opinion of an issue, but you must be able to control what comes out of your mouth. He messed up, because insulting people is not going to gain their support. Republicans do believe in lending a helping hand. Lending is the key word here. Grayson makes it seem as though all Republicans are selfish, and that is not true...completely idiotic.
 killene

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Posted: 11/5/2009 6:37:52 PM

You're right, enough is enough. It's ok to voice your opinion of an issue, but you must be able to control what comes out of your mouth. He messed up, because insulting people is not going to gain their support. Republicans do believe in lending a helping hand. Lending is the key word here. Grayson makes it seem as though all Republicans are selfish, and that is not true...completely idiotic.



Insulting constituents is going to be most of the reason that the Democratic party is going to be in big trouble come 2010.

What happened at the Town Halls this summer still weights heavily on many voters minds and will more than likely be a big issue come 2010 elections.

Hey both parties have their problems, but at least calling constituents names is not one of the Republicans big problems right now.
As seen by the flack with the Town Hall Meetings it seems that at least most of the Republicans are at least trying to look like they are listening to and acting on what their constituents are saying.
The Democrats on the other hand seemed get worse in that area of name calling and listening. Even one Democrat said he didn't care what his constituents wanted he was voting the way he wanted to.
 EarlzP

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Posted: 11/5/2009 6:51:38 PM

Insulting constituents is going to be most of the reason that the Democratic party is going to be in big trouble come 2010.


That's your opinion, mine is it's time to go on the offensive and fight fire with fire


What happened at the Town Halls this summer still weights heavily on many voters minds and will more than likely be a big issue come 2010 elections.


I am hoping that our new governor has some town hall meetings so I can put into action some of the same tactics that the republicans used to disrupt and prevent people from being able to participate


Hey both parties have their problems, but at least calling constituents names is not one of the Republicans big problems right now.


Youi must be suffering from temporary memory lost do you recall Senator Joe Wilson


As seen by the flack with the Town Hall Meetings it seems that at least most of the Republicans are at least trying to look like they are listening to and acting on what their constituents are saying.


What I saw where some finger pointing fist shaking loud mouth republicans preventing people who attended the meetings from asking questions and getting answers


The Democrats on the other hand seemed get worse in that area of name calling and listening.


It's really bothering you that finally a democrat stood up on his feet and gave back as good as the republicans have been given


Even one Democrat said he didn't care what his constituents wanted he was voting the way he wanted to.


He probably realized that the republicans at the town hall meetings had spread so many half truths and mis stated so many facts that he would have to vote for them in spite of them
 imalwayssmiling

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Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/5/2009 7:22:45 PM

It's funny how anyone who has something is an enemy of America. Seeing how there are more that have, than those who don't. They are the majority so they are America!! So they're enemies of themselves??? Without them, there would be no America.

The have-nots, that small percentage, are moreso the enemies, they're like leaches who want to suck the system dry. And why not...if you're going to allow it?
Its not all republicans and conservatives its the ones like you that spell out in detail your core feelings and we all see its hate and inequality of our fellow man,its all about the have and have nots,its as if you think the have nots are all there because of the same reason.I can tell you over these last couple 3 years as so many lost there professions,they are the have nots too.Your argument make you sound like an awfrul person.

That comment of God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve,wow,who created Steve in your mind,you must be one that believes in multiple creators.You also act like Adam and Eve were a married couple, they were not,there was no ceremony,no ring,no vows,just sex,and sex and more sex,they were there to populate.Then at that time,God put into place the worlds first prohibition,don't eat that fruit,and they did,proving prohibition even between just two people doesn't work.Anyways I'm not a religious person but I understand Christianity so if you can stand there and say,God created Adam and Eve,then he created the others also,and if all were created in his image,well,say hello to Steve.I believe in rights,if two people want to marry ,thats fine with me,and if they take the plunge they are just as entitled to everything as everyone else.I believe a gay couple can marry and be equally as miserable as all the non gay married people.

As for these town halls,some of the republicans were an embarrassment at them,screaming like maniacs.Its true,Grayson should have a more tempered tongue because of his position,even though he hit it on the nose concerning one sector of republicans and conservatives,normally talk like his is left to be said by likes of regular Joes.
 oluvlyme

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Posted: 11/5/2009 7:55:47 PM

Its not all republicans and conservatives its the ones like you that spell out in detail your core feelings and we all see its hate and inequality of our fellow man,its all about the have and have nots,its as if you think the have nots are all there because of the same reason.I can tell you over these last couple 3 years as so many lost there professions,they are the have nots too.Your argument make you sound like an awfrul person.


Trust me, I'm not an awful person. I look at the overall picture instead of the little details that comprise it. I do understand that people are struggling right now due to job termination. Its unfortunate, but they are a small percentage of the total pool of uninsured and those receiving government assistance right now. I have no problem helping out those people, it's not their fault if their employer is going downhill.

But, I previously mentioned an alternative solution, temporarily expanding government services like Medicaid and foodstamps for 5 years or so. A nationalized healthcare system is not the answer..I will never support that. In Grayson's eyes I am an enemy of America, simply because I have a different perspective..but oh well.. I know I'm not. He should really learn the difference between constructive and destructive criticism.
 a bit nomadic

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Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/5/2009 9:56:03 PM

A nationalized healthcare system is not the answer..I will never support that. In Grayson's eyes I am an enemy of America, simply because I have a different perspective..but oh well.. I know I'm not. He should really learn the difference between constructive and destructive criticism.


Well, I think that one of the problems here is that Grayson identified FOX and its republican supporters as enemies, not its entire audience (in other words, not YOU). But perhaps your expression of your objection is one of the reasons that he sees things this way, because you clearly don't understand what is being proposed on the Hill.

You are describing your objection to "a nationalized healthcare system"--something which nobody is currently proposing. But this is the language of right-wing media, who instead of discussing what is proposed, instead LIE and OBFUSCATE in order to get a reaction from its audience.

NOBODY is suggesting or proposing a "nationalized healthcare system." So why do you feel the need to express your aversion to such a thing?

To me, what makes FOX (and its like) "enemies" of America, is its lies about current political issues.....it not only FAILS to inform its audience, it actually LIES to it. And thus, it materially damages our ability to survive as a democracy.
 killene

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Posted: 11/6/2009 6:38:07 AM
Msg 174 said (In Grayson's eyes I am an enemy of America, simply because I have a different perspective..but oh well.. I know I'm not. He should really learn the difference between constructive and destructive criticism)

Many have a different perspetive than the current administration.

After the last election I have a feeling that the Independents will be next to hit Grayson's and Obama's enemy's list.

Hmmmm I wonder who that would leave not on their list in America.

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