| Robot lovers - yes or no?
Posted: 10/27/2009 8:47:46 PM | INTERESTING QUESTION!
There is nothing like free will. Robots cannot 'choose' you. | |
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| Robot lovers - yes or no?
Posted: 10/27/2009 9:19:30 PM | Man alive! My robot would kick all your robots' asses, then come and make sweet cyborg love while reciting a preprogrammed orgasm while somehow cooking me a steak.
And we would both learn to play badminton. I would win every time. | |
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| Robot lovers - yes or no?
Posted: 10/27/2009 9:31:53 PM | ^^^you do realise that those who say yes to cyborg love are giant losers? 
Oops I forgot to add that bit.. | |
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| Robot lovers - yes or no?
Posted: 10/27/2009 9:53:43 PM | According to both anthropic principle and demonstrable in physics it is possible for AI to spontaneously evolve in highly complex processors, much more complicated than what are used today however, more than just binary information would have to form the core language.
Early AI will most likely be simply low IQ machines. I read an Aasimov story as a kid about an AI guidence and detonation system put on a massive warhead, the three laws of robotics had driven it insane, any task it would ever be asked to perform whether to blow up or disarm would break each of them, so it decided to arm itself and simply live out its purpose sooner rather than later.
If we're going to really have replicants the pros and cons are obviously disproportionate to the evolution of AI. With AI they become little or no different and are likely to have the same quirks and irrational complexities as people. They might glow instead of sweat or something but essentially there'll still be some mechanical/biomechanical descriptor of thought processes being the two are inexorably linked. It will get excited physically when inspired intellectually, etc., our own bodies and minds are essentially biomechanical engines and this is how they work. At worst replicants will be a more primitive version of ourselves mechanically speaking, it is us that aren't too far removed from machines rather than the other way around. As for superstitions about "the soul" even Catholicism will recognise the body as a vassal for the divine spirit, a machine, and prior to Catholicism the Judaic belief in the soul is nothing like Platoic thought and relates only to mechanical life meaning literally, "mortal breath".
Without AI involved the pros are no rejection, the cons are no satisfaction. Your partner cannot reciprocate, they will not orgasm because you are satisfying them, or because they adoring you so much more lately for various mundane reasons.
So the sad and somewhat amusing conclusion is that were we to develop replicants as sexbots they'd most likely evolve AI, chase sleazebags, whinge about their choices in men and losers can forever get rejected by them just as much as regular women. As for male sexbots they'll sex up only Hollywood starlets being they'll outdo any lesser human in the sack hands down. If you built fifty billion of them they'd rather wait in line outside Angelina Jolie's bedroom than go near most of you out there and if they changed their mind about that they'd get depressed turn into pissheads and get fat, stinky, ugly and lazy trying not to think about how unremarkable you are. Some might develop a hitting fetish and deal with it that way, or just go playa and try to have fun without meaningful sex in their lives, or become gaybots.
It's just that more of them will be hot, we'll build them that way, very very few will be built to satisfy fat and ugly fetishes, average will be HOT as hell. It'll be like walking around China. | |
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| Robot lovers - yes or no?
Posted: 10/27/2009 10:51:20 PM | I wonder if the OS will be some version of Windoze.. I can just picture really getting into it and your partner getting a "Blue screen of death" . It would even be creepier if the message was "illegal function"
Big question - what will be the CTRl-Alt-Delete sequence.?? | |
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| Robot lovers - yes or no?
Posted: 10/27/2009 10:52:49 PM | | This is to funny. Myself and a group of friends were talking not long ago about the perfect partner. It actually came to the topic of "robots". One friend made a good point. If you felt loved and the robot felt and acted human and you could reprogram to the different stages of life and feelings you were having, why not? I will have to admit it made everyone stop and say hmmm. | |
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| Robot lovers - yes or no?
Posted: 10/27/2009 11:01:53 PM | "they will not orgasm because you are satisfying them"
They will. There's an app for that on your iPhuck... | |
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| Robot lovers - yes or no?
Posted: 10/27/2009 11:57:47 PM | Well, I am all for the robot partner that is fully loaded and not ridiculously over priced. I wonder if that would qualify for cash for clunkers if I want to get a new one because the old one had so much mileage on them. hmmmm | |
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| Robot lovers - yes or no?
Posted: 10/28/2009 12:11:29 AM | Just think, future versions of plentyoffish will have threads with titles like "If your bot cheated on you with the toaster would you take it bake?" , "How many service calss is too many?", "Is anal sex with a bot gay?" | |
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| Robot lovers - yes or no?
Posted: 10/28/2009 12:25:04 AM |
Imagine we live in a time where you could design your perfect mate - from personal quirks (maybe she's got an adorable giggle or his eyes wrinkle when he smiles) to facial features, body type - everything down to the last detail. Of course, this also includes personality, sexuality, interests, hobbies - the perfect partner.
Downside: he/she is a robot - an amazingly lifelike robot, but still at heart - well, she/he has no heart. You get my drift.
A. Would you do it? Would you take a robot SO?
B. If yes, what would he/she be like?
I couldn't do it, I'm too greedy, I want the one I'm doing all of those things with to engage me menatlly and emotionally as well.
As far a sex is concerned, no matter how sophisticated the 'lovemaking' programming would be, it would be no different from hiring a hooker, no connection at all.
Thinking of it further, the same would go for all other social situations involving my robot. I'd have the same emotional attachment to my car. | |
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| Robot lovers - yes or no?
Posted: 10/28/2009 12:26:00 AM | | I think I would have to take him for a day just to see what it would be like. Then I'd pull the plug, erase all him memories ,make him the cleaner and chef. He would have a money making machine built in so that I wouldn't have to work. | |
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| Robot lovers - yes or no?
Posted: 10/28/2009 12:56:02 AM |
anthropic principle and demonstrable in physics it is possible for AI to spontaneously evolve in highly complex processors
I agree that this is inevitable, we will not understand how to replicate or "build" free will in AI, but it will happen.
it is us that aren't too far removed from machines rather than the other way around.
There is some fascinating legitimate research being done now that is going about proving that the soul is merely neurons firing, the sooner this fact is accepted then the sooner we will realise that the soul IS the brain, and it dies when the brain dies. Then we can really begin exploring and understanding free will.
average will be HOT as hell. It'll be like walking around China.
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| Robot lovers - yes or no?
Posted: 10/28/2009 3:13:24 AM | Imagine we live in a time where you could design your perfect mate - from personal quirks (maybe she's got an adorable giggle or his eyes wrinkle when he smiles) to facial features, body type - everything down to the last detail.
Seems to me that everyone in this thread is missing the most obvious point of it.
You're assuming "perfection" means there will be no conflict
You get to make the robot "perfect" any way you want.
YOU get to design the robot... so therefore you can add ANY criteria to it that you like.
IF you dont want Stepford. You dont have to program/design it that way.
You like a beating or to argue once daily and thats perfection to you... hell... you can make it do that.
but still at heart - well, she/he has no heart. You get my drift.
A. Would you do it? Would you take a robot SO?
Sounds like every other relationship where people are determining and choosing a person/partner on "criteria" instead of with their heart.
Hate to be so obvious...
...but whats the difference?
If you're not choosing a partner based on your feelings for them... you've chosen your robot. | |
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| Robot lovers - yes or no?
Posted: 10/28/2009 3:32:55 AM | Sounds like every other relationship where people are determining and choosing a person/partner on "criteria" instead of with their heart.
But, poster formerly known as Kyn (I can't type your new name..you'll have to teach me), who's to say you can't love your robot? Maybe you could add a "chaos factor" to the mix to make him/her more human.....mmmmm...thinking. Maybe you could control the amount of unpredictibility.
Anyway, back at the ranch...People may think they're choosing with their heart, but there are other factors at work as well. I do agree there is a certain jaded cynicism in settling for an android, but gee it would be a lot less work with guaranteed results.
And it wouldn't exactly be terrible shacking up with a Richard Gere robot with a mind like Nelson Mandela and Billy Connolly's personality, even if I knew he was really just a hard drive..hey, that doesn't sound too bad either..
I'd have the same emotional attachment to my car.
But I love my car... | |
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| Robot lovers - yes or no?
Posted: 10/28/2009 4:05:38 AM |
But, poster formerly known as Kyn (I can't type your new name..you'll have to teach me), who's to say you can't love your robot?
Aaah but see you dont love your robot. You'll only *think* you do.
You only "love" what the robot is giving you
Its purely selfishly driven ie. what I want and what makes ME happy.
If thats what you *think* love is...
... you'll always think love is a choice and foresake those you do love in favor of yourself while its clear most people expect it in return while being not prepared to give it.
If you think loving someone is a choice... rather than whats in your heart...
... as soon as your partner doesnt give you what you want... or cant give you what you want anymore... or if you decide you just dont want what they're giving you any more or think you've got a better offer... you'll abandon them. Emotionally, physically...
Their value to you... is in what you're getting.... and not what you're giving.
There is nothing binding you to your other.
You're no more driven by your heart and have the capability to love than the robot.
Love is about receiving and giving.
I do agree there is a certain jaded cynicism in settling for an android, but gee it would be a lot less work with guaranteed results.
I "choose" neither. Not the robot... and not someone not based on my heart.
No real life robot (person) for me either. | |
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| Robot lovers - yes or no?
Posted: 10/28/2009 4:32:34 AM | The idea of getting pleasure from a robot has been explored in science fiction enough times. The first time I thought the idea as cool was from the movie Brainstorm w/ Natalie wood and Chris Walkin.
Cool until you see the guy die from getting stuck in the machine and he orgasmed to death. (what a way to go!!??)
Even the the Matrix trilogy touched on the subject, considering their "world" was a set of impulses anyway to take advantage of it seemed useful when you consider that IRL the pickens may have been slim. To go into a program and have a steak and a beer instead of that goop that they served in the galley wouldn't be looked down upon why should that.
I think it may be more of how one views masturbation. Everyone does it but it still is quite taboo to speak of it and many will deny ever touching themselves for fear of being labeled a loser.
So if it was just a replacement for the real thing, why not?
Thinking along the matrix idea, if you could have an instant knowledge of martial arts or how to fly a helicopter just imagine a robot that was fully knowledgable in the art of love? A win / win for either gender because there always seems to be something missing in technique from what you read in the forums. And no hand cramps!! | |
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| Robot lovers - yes or no?
Posted: 10/28/2009 5:24:00 AM | just let me know what kind of batteries it takes.
I wonder if the robot would come with detachable adapters and if they work well with b.o.b..
hopefully they are rechargeable...actually, perhaps they're "green" and have solar panels??
wow.
so many options!
oh, and if one is getting hand cramps, ones technique needs reviewing. | |
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| Robot lovers - yes or no?
Posted: 10/28/2009 5:43:33 AM | Just wondering: anybody here actually know the least bit about what they are talking about? Seems to be a lot of serious opinion on yet another subject about which 9 out of 10 posters have absolutely no knowledge.
Of course, that shouldn't stop any of us fishies, now should it?
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| Robot lovers - yes or no?
Posted: 10/28/2009 7:10:50 AM |
There is some fascinating legitimate research being done now that is going about proving that the soul is merely neurons firing, the sooner this fact is accepted then the sooner we will realise that the soul IS the brain, and it dies when the brain dies. Then we can really begin exploring and understanding free will.
adding the word legitimate does not offer any credability. They already FAILED!
neurons firing is ENERGY. Energy can not be destroyed it can only be tranformed from one form to another. They can not even destroy energy in a collider.
So if their claim is that the neurons firing within a brain is the soul then the soul lives on after the body dies because again... energy just transforms into something else.
But that is a totally different topic and also have been threads on it within the religion and science forums.
DB&B Yes i have spent quite a bit of time on it. It is more than just a hobby for me at least. Here is the major problem.
The amount of processing power needed for something like this would take several hundred if not several thousand CPU's configured as multiple clusters of CPU's for the various systems.
packaging is the major trouble. meaning CPU size and power requirements. I have a Opteron cpu cluster and they are 95 watts each. If someone uses the "HE" class Opterons for CPU's they are low power models of the same CPU and only require 35 watts of power but even still when you have a shyt ton of them that is a lot of power needed.
You are not going to get that kind of power from any battery. Even the most powerful batteries which would be the size of a car could only run that much cpu power for a few minutes.
yes i guess you could say that i have put a few neuron firings into thinking about the concept. making a copy of the human body is one thing but trying to make it think and carry on a conversation is something completely different.
even with Lithium ion battery technology the battery pack would be the size of a truck to give you enough power to do anything useful and would need to be recharged non stop.
in a nut shell...
The most crucial componant before anything like this could be considered is we would need to make HUGE strides forward in our battery technology or in some other form of energy production ability.
Some are trying to find a way to harness the unlimited amount of static electricity that is always around us as we move through the air. Until that major problem is address this subject is nothing more than what FFS stated... a light hearted what if talk. | |
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| Robot lovers - yes or no?
Posted: 10/28/2009 7:23:48 AM |
Seems to be a lot of serious opinion on yet another subject about which 9 out of 10 posters have absolutely no knowledge.
LOL...Isn't that the truth...
Just wondering about what happens if everyone eventually gets a robot (like getting a car) and they realize after awhile that they need to upgrade or maybe they don't like their droid, what happens to them? Can you go to a used DROID lot like it is a used car lot? Maybe the Big Three can have a new lease on life.
I do hope that they remove the parts that were used extensively.
Edit: They could go out and "test drive" any that they might be attracted to. | |
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| Robot lovers - yes or no?
Posted: 10/28/2009 8:08:35 AM |
The idea of getting pleasure from a robot has been explored in science fiction enough times. The first time I thought the idea as cool was from the movie Brainstorm w/ Natalie wood and Chris Walkin.
I don’t consider the “Brainstorm” device to be a robot. It was referred to as “The Hat”; a helmet that when worn would record the wearer’s “brain experiences”, (i.e., their feelings, visions, thoughts, emotions, hearing, tactile senses, etc.). If others wore The Hat and played someone else’s tape, they could literally and fully experience whatever was recorded by the original “observer”. Of course there was a government secret project involved, and Walken’s fight to find out what happens after we die by trying to get a hold of the tape that belonged to his colleague (she was going into cardiac arrest and put on The Hat as she was dying) brings new meaning to the phrase "More cowbell!". A really great movie that got lost in the controversy surrounding Natalie Wood’s untimely and mysterious death.
The pleasure aspect did make me think of another futuristic movie, Woody Allen’s “Sleeper”. In retrospect, I guess we don’t need the entire android, just an Orgazmatron.  | |
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| Robot lovers - yes or no?
Posted: 10/28/2009 8:32:30 AM | Heres another thought I just had on this topic. Most of us don't think twice about the fact that our partners have been with other people before us but how many of us would actually go out and buy "used" sex toys, at say, a garage sale? What will happen with used sex bots? Factory refurbishment?! How degrading for them! It might spark some kind of revolution or even more likely, all the hot bots would hook up with each other because we humans would be too imperfect for their tastes! lol | |
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