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| legalized marijuana...a possible American reality?
Posted: 11/3/2009 1:51:23 PM | The only "second thought" I've had about legalizing pot has been from looking at a place like Arcata, CA. Where it is already essentially legal for all practical purposes (well, let's say it's fully legal for anyone with a medical recommendation card, and I guess many many people have them now...many more than just cancer and AIDS patients; so you can grow your own medical marijuana there now, within a certain limit technically, and you can buy it freely at various pharmacy-type stores there, with your card, and so on). I'm certainly in favor of legal medical marijuana for those who really need it and find that it helps. But there in Arcata for instance some of the residents are saying the town has basically gone to the dogs since the medical pot / pot-growing legalization. These people go there now, from all around the country, and rent houses (mostly they rent them it seems), and then proceed to virtually destroy them and render them eventually uninhabitable (mold, etc), by growing massive amounts of weed there -- amounts which easily exceed the medically allowed amounts.
It was always a peaceful town, and now they've had what amount to drug houses popping up there in their neighborhod, sleazy people showing up to buy at all hours of the night, several violent crimes, they've got people that are basically drug dealers taking advantage of the looser atmosphere there, with vicious pit bulls guarding their houses, guns all over the place, etc. So some of them are saying it's kind of been "ghettoizing" their town. Some people are ready to move out of this town they've lived in for 25+ yrs just because of the drug problems/ drug violence, etc. So I was thinking if we legalized it all over (purely hypothetical because it's not going to realistically happen here anyway), would this possibly be the case in other towns or cities across the country? I mean, legal or not, who really wants a pot house (ie, a house specifically bought or rented with the purpose of growing and selling), and all the "elements" that inevitably brings around, right next door to their house in the suburbs?? | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 3:11:22 PM | It's amazing to see how ignorant people are and yet the most ignorant seem to be the most angry and distressed about this issue.
Crime cannot get any worse than it is now.
If you want to buy or sell drugs and someone rips you off there are only 2 options.....take the hit on the chin and keep going or....resort to crime because you cannot take them to court.
Instead of giving your money to random dudes why not buy it from the pharmacist and have it taxed and controlled so that you are sure there are no unwanted chemicals in your product.
Regardless of personal views about the morality of drug use its important to realize and accept that as things stand there are many HUGE problems that need to be addressed.
People are getting hurt,crime is being commited and the black market is getting fatter and fatter from the profits.
To the gentleman who made the claim about crime rates,drug houses,not being arrested for possession.....its clear as it can possibly get....you do not know what you are talking about what so ever, though you seem to be most angry and uptight about this issue.
I'd suggest you take a look at more sides to the issue than just your own...do some research and take a look at past cases, potential benefits and drawbacks....put aside your personal beliefs and try to take a look at it all.
Regardless of it being illegal or legal people will do it.....for this reason amongst many others it should be legalized and controlled for the safety and well being of everyone involved.
Do you like the thought of drug dealers in your neighborhood
Let's get rid of them....legalize marijuana.
P.S To the gentleman who called people out for not posting on their profiles that they do drugs.....Isnt there some set of rules some place that states everyone has the right to not incriminate themselves?
By the way...whats the average value of one OZ of gold these days? | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 3:14:51 PM | DINO,
I AGREE with your "second thought". there are too many that will, if given the chance, go after the dollar and not care about anything else.
Bigger Bank Accounts are what drives a whole lot of misery. I'll give you this though, for chemo radiation patients, glaucoma,and quite a few other "Bona Fide" medical conditions/treatments canabis relieves so many side effects/ pain.
On this I believe that pot should be legal, and handled through the medical establishment only.
Even if it means outsourcing to farmers. though I would like to see diligent record keeping on the yield/sold accountability part of things. 
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| legalized marijuana...a possible American reality?
Posted: 11/3/2009 3:19:59 PM |
I mean, legal or not, who really wants a pot house (ie, a house specifically bought or rented with the purpose of growing and selling), and all the "elements" that inevitably brings around, right next door to their house in the suburbs?
why in the world would there be "pot houses" in the suburbs? people who grow weed in any quantity don't do it in the suburbs. and they sure as hell don't tell a lot of people about it.
and more to the point, if weed were legal, why would there be "pot houses" at all? like every other crop it would be grown on a farm.
how many "tobacco houses" do you see? | |
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| legalized marijuana...a possible American reality?
Posted: 11/3/2009 3:20:27 PM | | The drug laws are not for the protection of anyone other than organized crime,and to placate the useful idiots who get their jollies by seeing the constitution shredded and knowing that somebody somewhere is having their lives ruined because they did something a control freak didn't like. | |
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| legalized marijuana...a possible American reality?
Posted: 11/4/2009 8:56:39 PM | sillier and sillier. $17 billion dollars? couldn't california really really use $17 billion right about now?
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-marijuana5-2009nov05,0,509391.story
By John Hoeffel
November 4, 2009 | 6:43 p.m.
Marijuana seizures quadruple in L.A. County
The county climbs to the No. 5 spot in the state's annual eradication campaign, with more than 340,000 plants destroyed.
Los Angeles County, which has seen a whirlwind expansion in medical marijuana dispensaries this year, has notched another marijuana milestone. The county has moved to No. 5 for the amount seized in the state's annual eradication campaign, with 340,187 pot plants uprooted -- more than a fourfold increase.
Statewide, the 27-year-old effort, known as the Campaign Against Marijuana Planting, found and destroyed almost 4.5 million plants in 41 counties, up from 2.9 million seized in each of the two prior years' growing season. The amount has climbed steadily since 1996, the year California voters approved the nation's first medical marijuana law.
State officials put the wholesale value of this year's eradicated marijuana at $17.8 billion.
L.A. County ranked 11th last year. By vaulting into the Top 10, it joins some of the state's better-known marijuana-growing counties, including Mendocino, Trinity and Humboldt, popularly known as the Emerald Triangle. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 12:16:48 AM | | The first state to legalize pot is going to reap the revenue of marijuana production. Corporations will have to base HQs in that state bringing other state revenue by providing jobs. The market is ripe for the picking. That state would likely corner the market by the time other states get on the bandwagon. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 1:07:10 PM | IMO, if anybody ever does it first here it will be CA. Since they already are kind of close , in a way, with their legalized medical marijuana and medical growing licenses and all that , up in some areas in the northern part of the state. But frankly I don't see it happening statewide, even in CA, anytime soon.
And most of the rest of the states, forget it (IMO). I mean, most of the country (CA included) is having a hard enough time just trying to get (and keep) laws on the books that legitimize & recognize same-sex unions (something which even the most rabid "antis" must at some level realize does not directly impact their own lives or neighborhoods at all.......talk about allowing a legalized drug in their hometowns and the conservatives will go batsh!t). | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 3:07:10 PM | Dino your example has little bearing on how it would unfold on a wider scale.
Of course you will see a marked increase of people flow but if it was legit why would they need to congrgate all in one place? Your example shows the lower end spectrum of users much like skid row and the drunks, They go where they are least likely to get hassled.
Most of the "stoners" tend to flow west here in Canada, and they are having problems with grow houses but that would disapear the second you allowed it to go legit. No more stolen hydro, proper home units could be better maintained creating an increase maybe in home reno due to the special circumstances involved.
Unlikely many will grow in mass quantities just based on ease of availability, but you can fernent your wine in the basement these days and do it yourself brewing is a booming business.
The removal of the stigma alone will ease a lot of tensions too. I find it appalling that I have had to endure some of the shyte for my choice of relaxation when I see so much harm from pharm meds and alchohol and you can't tell me drunks are everyones favorite party guest.
I have been around long enough to see the change in how law enforcement treats this so called evil weed and am at least thankful for that but to have to endure the sheer lack of knowledge I see as to how this all came to pass makes me want to shake my head in disbelief that there that many stupid people who have never taken the time to see for themselves. And then come here spouting off like you know something about it. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 3:19:27 PM |
IMO, if anybody ever does it first here it will be CA. Since they already are kind of close , in a way, with their legalized medical marijuana and medical growing licenses and all that , up in some areas in the northern part of the state. But frankly I don't see it happening statewide, even in CA, anytime soon.
The initiatives will be on the ballot next year, and all polls say they will pass. So, on Jan. 1, 2011 possesion of up to an ounce of marijuana will be legal in Ca. you could also grow your own in a 5 foot x 5 foot plot.
And your wrong about Arcata. That city is an example of why it should be legal statewide. If it were, you wouldn't have everybody showing up and over running a small town, they could grow anywhere in the state. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 5:51:02 PM |
And your wrong about Arcata. That city is an example of why it should be legal statewide. If it were, you wouldn't have everybody showing up and over running a small town, they could grow anywhere in the state.
Well...I guess we will see what happens if it passes on that ballot or they fully legalize it (beyond just an ounce) statewide. CA may lead on this issue; the other states will watch how (semi-)legalization materializes there and follow if they like the results or deem it appropriate. For me personally I don't have a horse in this race really. I have never even tried it, much less been a regular user, and have only even found myself "around" it on a few occasions (never hung around with many real smokers) so whether it is legalized or not anywhere doesn't really matter to me , beyond a mild interest in seeing how it all pans out. I don't see it happening in this state (IL) anytime soon however, even though this state like many others could use revenues from taxing something like that. | |
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| legalized marijuana...a possible American reality?
Posted: 11/6/2009 7:56:38 AM | I agree pot should be legal in every way...
But as far as the deficit goes , Not going to change until we get our government under control.
The crooks will just steal that money too.
They will hire more cops and come up with another reason to kick in peoples doors. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 8:53:27 AM | Please go to http://www.drugsense.org/wodclock.htm "what is the cost of the war on drugs",I might ad ,a war that does not work !
43 billion dollars so far this year
1,566,646 People Arrested for Drug Law Offenses this Year ,Someone is arrested for violating a drug law every 17 seconds.
742,592 People Arrested for Cannabis Law Offenses this Year ,An American is now arrested for violating cannabis laws every 38 seconds.
3,205 Preventable HIV Infections this Year ,Nearly 4,000 new HIV infections can be prevented before the year 2010 if the federal ban on needle exchange funding is lifted this year.About 10 new cases could be prevented every day. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 6:01:20 PM |
43 billion dollars so far this year
1,566,646 People Arrested for Drug Law Offenses this Year ,Someone is arrested for violating a drug law every 17 seconds.
742,592 People Arrested for Cannabis Law Offenses this Year ,An American is now arrested for violating cannabis laws every 38 seconds.
3,205 Preventable HIV Infections this Year ,Nearly 4,000 new HIV infections can be prevented before the year 2010 if the federal ban on needle exchange funding is lifted this year.About 10 new cases could be prevented every day.
True, agreed. But the thing is, all this ^^^ , just like the "war on terror" (which is another jingoistic abstraction that cannot ever be definitively "won"), employs and/or has a lot to do with the employment of a hell of a lot of people. I'm not saying I agree with all the current drug laws, but this is just what I think; the industries that these "wars" feed, are bigger and ultimately more important and interwoven into the overall structure here than any movement(s) to end either one of them. Prison-industrial (even including various sectors of law enforcement), and military-industrial. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 6:17:44 PM | | i hope so. i'd rather be tax for it or i'd even pay a fine when caught, but i hate layers thousands of dollars waste to them over a few grams. i'm sure they love taking possession cases. easy money. I've been to court twice over this issue it sucks. Legalize it already! | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 7:26:05 PM | Wow,wow,lets jail mostly innocent and non harmful people solely to keep other good citizens in work.Oh my god,and you even wrote it.Lets manufacture jobs at the cost of imprisoning basically good people so we can keep a prison owner happy and a lot of guards in work,geez hopefully if we arrest enough pot smokers we could raise enough cash to buy an Apache helicopter so we can even round more up,then praise god we could then have a reason to hire a couple good hard workin helicopter mechanics.
Please stop talking ,your really upsetting me,maybe if we round up old people too,since we're talking harmless people hurting no one but maybe there lungs,and old people after all are harmless too, then we could build a new prison and hire 400 good citizens to guard them .Praise Jesus. What is this a job creation plan from hell,WTF
War on terrror,all we did was screw up a whole country and allowed a jihad to expand and gave torrorists time to multiply,set us a trillion in the whole,and made big nasty bucks for gigantic corporations like Halliburton,Rockwell,and one or two weapon/armament companies,heck our fighting and dieing kids were creating jobs,thats a great reason to die,so Shell and Mobil Oil and Halliburton can make some insane extreme profit.And soldiers,they get paid,look at all this job creation.So its all a good thing !
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wudger
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| legalized marijuana...a possible American reality?
Posted: 11/11/2009 7:17:23 AM | http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-marijuana-ama11-2009nov11,0,3003312.story?track=rss
By John Hoeffel
November 11, 2009
The American Medical Assn. changes its policy to promote clinical research and development of cannabis-based medicines and alternative delivery methods.
The American Medical Assn. on Tuesday urged the federal government to reconsider its classification of marijuana as a dangerous drug with no accepted medical use, a significant shift that puts the prestigious group behind calls for more research.
The nation's largest physicians organization, with about 250,000 member doctors, the AMA has maintained since 1997 that marijuana should remain a Schedule I controlled substance, the most restrictive category, which also includes heroin and LSD.
In changing its policy, the group said its goal was to clear the way to conduct clinical research, develop cannabis-based medicines and devise alternative ways to deliver the drug.
"Despite more than 30 years of clinical research, only a small number of randomized, controlled trials have been conducted on smoked cannabis," said Dr. Edward Langston, an AMA board member, noting that the limited number of studies was "insufficient to satisfy the current standards for a prescription drug product."
The decision by the organization's delegates at a meeting in Houston marks another step in the evolving view of marijuana, which an AMA report notes was once linked by the federal government to homicidal mania. Since California voters approved the use of medical marijuana in 1996, marijuana has moved steadily into the cultural mainstream spurred by the growing awareness that it can have beneficial effects for some chronically ill people.
This year, the Obama administration sped up that drift when it ordered federal narcotics agents not to arrest medical marijuana users and providers who follow state laws. Polls show broadening support for marijuana legalization. | |
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| legalized marijuana...a possible American reality?
Posted: 11/11/2009 7:50:44 AM |
Please stop talking ,your really upsetting me,maybe if we round up old people too,since we're talking harmless people hurting no one but maybe there lungs,and old people after all are harmless too, then we could build a new prison and hire 400 good citizens to guard them .Praise Jesus. What is this a job creation plan from hell,WTF
no no no, I think you misunderstood me. I didn't mean to say in the above post that I AGREE with keeping it illegal just to further feed the already bloated prison-industrial complex (and I definitely don't agree with keeping troops all around the world just to feed the bloated military-industrial complex either). I just meant to say that that is my hypothesis that this is the way things are (or at least that this aspect of it has something to do with it). | |
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Posted: 11/11/2009 8:00:07 AM | | Thank you so much for explaining that,I did misunderstand then at least my post explains how horrid those that do think that way are ,to perpetuate such madness.I have heard people say that.I am sorry for misunderstanding you,you made a good point ! | |
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| legalized marijuana...a possible American reality?
Posted: 11/11/2009 8:36:52 AM | I am sure that Barny "Sugar toes" Frank and his boy toy would love to have Marijuana legalized.
This way, they can get stoned and not have to go on national T.V and claim he has never seen the stuff...but since it was growing in his own backyard and his boytoy likes to light up..I can once again say Ol Barney is a lying piece of shit!
As for legalizing the crap...no... | |
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| legalized marijuana...a possible American reality?
Posted: 11/11/2009 9:02:13 AM | Look, there are obviously medical benefits to weed, and if it really eases peoples pain due to illness, then good for them, but the bigger problem is that we are all human, and in the end it is still classified as a drug. It is very addicting, and in the hands of people who are just pot heads, legalization of the stuff will just cause people to make up some malady, and become seekers of it, this way now tho, legally, thru a prescription.
Also, I don't want to be around the stuff.
It opens many doors now to people's "right's", and as we all know people do not like being told where they can and can't do something!!!
But damn, I don't want to smell it thru ventilation ducts or outside, or in a public place because now it's "legal" to take it....
There HAVE to be rules, tho they will be broken of course.
Remember, it only takes one person to ruin things for the rest of us!!!!
Will it be given out like say pain pills, with rules, a certain dosage a day? And when it runs out, you have to wait until it can be "refilled", for lack of better termonology, again???
Should it be done at a medical location?
What disease should it be earmarked for? I mean who is to say that another's pain is greater then anyone else's?
It is a huge issue, and in the end, nobody will be completely satisfied with any outcome.
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| legalized marijuana...a possible American reality?
Posted: 11/11/2009 9:16:09 AM | ^^ That's true. There's definitely two sides to the argument that's for sure. And as a NON-user (and not really a fan personally) myself, I can definitely see where you're coming from and appreciate some of the points you bring up (even though I also appreciate the revenue-generating and regulation and certain other aspects of legalization as well).
In the end, personally, if I had to bet, I would say it will not be FULLY legalized in any of these 50 states, in the near future. America overall leans slightly more socially conservative than socially liberal, that's a known fact (or at least it doesn't lean socially liberal enough to fully legalize pot , I bet). But medical legalization probably will go a long way , in either case, and it looks like CA is taking the lead on that right now. That having been said, ultimately what you said at the end is correct; nobody will be completely satisfied with any outcome. | |
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| legalized marijuana...a possible American reality?
Posted: 11/11/2009 10:14:38 AM | I too do not believe anytime soon it will be legalized but are completely missing the boat if its not made to be medicine,people have known it to be for centuries.
It is very addicting, and in the hands of people who are just pot heads, legalization of the stuff will just cause people to make up some malady, and become seekers of it, this way now tho, legally, thru a prescription.
Also, I don't want to be around the stuff. Its a total lack of knowledge here,why someone can make this statement.It is not highly addictive,there is not a shred of documentation that sates it is,its something that back back of ones mind might have heard off the ancient movie "Reefer Madness"
I am sure that Barny "Sugar toes" Frank and his boy toy would love to have Marijuana legalized.
This way, they can get stoned and not have to go on national T.V and claim he has never seen the stuff...but since it was growing in his own backyard and his boytoy likes to light up..I can once again say Ol Barney is a lying piece of shit!
As for legalizing the crap...no... Classic to say the least,further proof as the no logic applies here,to the reason we may never see it legalized.Fist off to show his flavor,he makes a very bold,gay bashing statement,showing he has no respect for all people in the first place,let alone someone that could be helped by legalization.I would bet my house though that he smokes and drinks ! now that drug is highly addictive and kills millions worldwide,not one person on record has ever died from marijuana,not a single OD ever ,EVER! then drinking,ahhhh,now there's a winner,so many have died from drinking and those that killed as a result of being drunk,the families ruined to alcohol and the vast amount of medical related issues because of alcohol.God forbid if something mild and safe like Pot was legal.Most all resistance is from people that have not one clue as to what pot is like,they are ignorant on the subject. | |
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| legalized marijuana...a possible American reality?
Posted: 11/11/2009 10:34:26 AM | Yo smiling....ALCOHOL is legal. I do agree that it kills and has ruined countless lives..but again it is legal...
As for my comment about ol Sugar Toes..you bet...He is a lying asshat. I am by no means ignorant on the subject my liberal know it all friend...
Pot is used for pain relief in cancer patients...Glaucoma patients... It does have it's uses..but to legalize it for general public consumption...nope..not gonna happen | |
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