States will be able to Opt Out of the plan BUT they still have to pay the govt the SAME amount as if they were IN the plan.

Political Animal

October 28, 2009

WHAT OPT-OUT STATES WOULD 'PAY FOR'.... Greta Van Susteren claimed last night that states that chose not to give their residents the choice of a public option would "still have to pay for it." She didn't specify what "it" referred to.

This seems to be catching on, though, as a key conservative talking point. Rich Lowry asked this week, "Does a state get to opt-out of the taxes too?" Karl Rove asked rhetorically, "What state is going to say -- what governor and legislature of Republican or Democrat majority is gonna say to its citizens of its state, 'You can pay for this sucker for decades and decades to come, but you're not gonna -- we made a decision -- we're not going to get any of our money back?'" Newt Gingrich added, "What if a big state like Texas opts out? Does that mean they don't have to pay taxes on it?"

Before this spreads too far, let's take a moment to note how little sense this makes.

[W]hile Reid has yet to release details of the compromise Senate legislation, every other proposed bill with a public option so far has required the costs of the public plan to be covered by the premiums of those who enroll in it, and the taxes proposed in each of the bills are used to cover the expansion of coverage through Medicaid and subsidies to help certain families purchase insurance, both of which are provided to residents of every state regardless of any public option.

Right. Financing for a public option would come from those paying the premiums -- those premiums would pay for benefits and administrative costs. That's how it's been structured in both chambers, by every public option supporter on the Hill. The idea is for it to be self-funding -- a not-for-profit insurance program financed by those it covers.

It's likely that this argument will continue to work its way through conservative circles, but that doesn't mean it makes sense.

State ‘Opt-Out’ Proposal: a Ruse within a Ruse

Sooo ... just more (cluster) Faux Noise ... it's not certain that is at all true ...

Attempt to obfuscate by impuning the source

See page 116 of the posted bill...

Speaking of the bill in the House has anyone seen or found a link to be able to read it on-line?

Why not do your own search?

he fact that no one can find the bill speaks of the lack of transparency in the entire process.

The fact that no one can find the bill speaks of the lack of transparency in the entire process.

I did and came up empty.

[PDF]
H. R. ll
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
A BILL. To provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans ... Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representa- ...
docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf - Similar -

Seems some of your buddies have not only found it but are reading it and complaining about understanding the "formal, legal language contained in the document."

Yes we do have this annoying habit of actually reading the bills instead of taking politicians words for what it contains.

Did you read the bill?

cricks chirping

http://waysandmeans.house.gov/MoreInfo.asp?section=52
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3962/text

The liberals here on POF are doing nothing but spewing warm and fuzzy liberal talking points. They will NOT read the bill or try to understand the taxes and the lack of care to be provided. They do not give a damn about seniors...hey lets cut $500 billion from their care, but hey, lets give them $250 bucks to help them out.
I just heard on the news that the obama will not be getting this bill when he demanded...hhhmmm...another obama deadline come and gone ....no results as usual..but then again...they did have a Halloween party.

The liberals here on POF are doing nothing but spewing warm and fuzzy liberal talking points.

They will NOT read the bill or try to understand the taxes and the lack of care to be provided. They do not give a damn about seniors...hey lets cut $500 billion from their care, but hey, lets give them $250 bucks to help them out.

I just heard on the news that the obama will not be getting this bill when he demanded...hhhmmm...another obama deadline come and gone ....no results as usual...

but then again.

White House Spokesman Robert Gibbs said today that he does not know if White House lawyers have reviewed whether it is constitutional for the federal government to order individuals to buy health insurance and said that the White House is not seriously considering the concerns of people such as Sen. Orrin Hatch (R.-Utah) who believe the mandate is not constitutionally justified.

There we go again. The issue of constitutionality should be considered BEFORE laws are to be voted on.

The issue of constitutionality should be considered BEFORE laws are to be voted on.

If any part of the health care bill was unconstitutional the republicans would be all over it.

I am so looking forward to the people of Virginia, New Jersey and New York electing REPUBLICANS to run the states! Looks like a clear message is being sent to the obama...we were fooled once...but not again! Looks like the beginning of the end for the liberal control that is choking the nation! Republicans take every office in Virginia..Governor, Lt Governor, Atty Gen...SWEET!

A big message to the obammy and his liberal fools on the health care joke...no bill THIS YEAR...not any year!