| how come women initiate the breakup 80% of the time?
Posted: 11/1/2009 6:42:27 AM | We just hate the culture of entitlement that many so called "modern" women have adapted to
Culture of entitlement??????????
Give me a ****ing break. Entitlement???? Women???????
I love it when men PARROT this phrase. It was made up by a man who is sore that women don't have to put up with his shit anymore.
Take a look around at the big wide world and tell me who has the entitlement and superiority complex. Who is in control around the world. Yes, you guessed it. It's still men - but you are losing ground. Boo hoo.
When I hear this I see a man who has lost his unfair privileges, has lost what he feels entitled to and is blaming women as if we really should not have the same rights as men. In fact, it's the cry of men who don't think we should have even close to the same rights and power that men have. It is BLATANTLY MEN who are convinced they are ENTITLED to dominate, rule, control and own. Just take a look around at the world. It is MEN who have a sense of ENTITLEMENT not women.
You know what. The simple answer to this thread is that women have the right to tell men we don't need to take your ENTITLEMENT crap anymore so get lost. Instead of men realising and admitting their sense of entitlement is ANNOYING they are throwing a huge tantrum - which is childish in the extreme. And you know what youa re doing. You are just testing to see if we have it figured out and what are we going to do about it. That's what children are like. And then you wonder why we don't want you. Duh!
Men still want (and many feel ENTITLED to) the money, the political power, the relationship power, the social power and the sexual power and they have LOST some of what they used to feel and were raised to BELIEVE they were ENTITLED to. And now all you do is whine about it and act like it's not fair that you lost the UNFAIR PRIVILAGES THAT YOU THINK MEN are ENTITLED to.
I just go crazy litening to men playing the victim considering all the bs you have made us put up with when you had all the power. Now we have SOME of that power and you are freaking out exaggerating your loss so you can play the victim.
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| how come women initiate the breakup 80% of the time?
Posted: 11/1/2009 6:48:58 AM | Simply put, women these days have options. And it seems like some men haven't caught up with this reality. It really hasn't been that long since women received the opportunities to be financially independent, so I expect it could take a few more decades before some guys wake up and smell the coffee, but I'm sure most will.
Until just about thirty years ago, married women tended to avoid divorce due to social stigma and financial instability. These are no longer factors for many, so why stay in an unsatisfying relationship? I'm by no means saying that women are all put-upon saints, and each party bears some responsibility for a failed relationship, but each case I've personally witnessed in which the woman filed for divorce first was a result of serious wrong-doing on her husband's part.
As bad as some of the circumstances were, none of these women rushed into their decision. None of them had a man "lined up" for future use. Several of them lost substantial amounts of property since they brought far more to the marriage financially than their husbands had. None of them relished the idea of going through the lengthy, painful and expensive divorce process. They did it because their situation had become unbearable, and I'm glad they had the option of getting out.
In order for a relationship to work, BOTH parties have to be invested in it, and work on building a life together. Men and women both can be equally culpable in NOT doing what it takes to make their relationship flourish, but it's also important for both parties to act as a unit, a family, and not just look out for what's in it for them. That's where a lot of relationships go off the rails, IMO. | |
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| how come women initiate the breakup 80% of the time?
Posted: 11/1/2009 7:05:18 AM | | I'm doubting the 80% given the 66.666% cited for divorce filings, but to play along, assuming 80%, it's because the woman asked the man several times to break up, and he said he would when he got around to it, and she got tired of asking, and the more she asked him to do it the more he dug his heels in and didn't feel like doing it for being nagged about it, so one day she says, fine, I'll just do it myself then. | |
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Posted: 11/1/2009 7:35:23 AM |
Again, it's just my opinion but....this myth that women want men who treat them badly is a myth propogated by MEN.
Scott Peterson was found guilty of murdering his wife and unborn infant. On the very first day he reported to San Quentin the warden received 16 requests all from women for his address and one young lady proclaimed she was going to marry him.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,1049605,00.html
http://cmm.lefora.com/2008/10/23/groupies/page1/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/919219/posts
The Menedez brothers who murdered their rich parents both were married in prison and received tons of mail from female wooers seeking matrimony.
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20144791,00.html
The nightstalker receives more mail from women then the rest of the prisoners at the prison he is housed in.
Hillside stranglers both were found guilty of multiple murders and still were both married in prison.
Ted Bundy killed dozens of women had "lots" of women writing him and seeking to be his wife. Even one of his female attorneys was smitten by him and yes he was married in prison.
They call this in the psychology world "Prison groupies" supposedly the club is almost exclusively female as women prisoners don't experience the same "cult like following" as infamous male prisoners do.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151271,00.html
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/psychology/s_k_groupies/2.html
So to blame men might be politically correct, but even in recent events with the kidnappings of Elizabeth Smart and the Jaycee Lee Dugard who was held for 18 years the male perps have had female accomplices.
I might add the "Bloods and Crips" , Latin Kings and other nefarious motorcycle gangs have no problem finding women that will support them, and stand by them, have their children, and even commit crimes with them despite the well known sinister acts that some of these groups commit.
I guess I just get so sick and tired of seeing the "Poor Me's" and women portraying themselves as innocent victims when in reality they are in alot of cases just as culpable and guilty. | |
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Posted: 11/1/2009 7:54:35 AM | 2 things..
1. If a woman thinks their man might be thinking about breaking up with them they will do it first, woman cannot handle rejection Ive had 2 gfs in the past who i brokeup with and when i took them back they broke up with me for revenge...
2. The grass is always greener on the other side for women, most men if we like a woman than thats all we need but women are far more complicated, you can do the right thing 95% of the time and the 1 time you mess up they cant live past it.. | |
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Posted: 11/1/2009 9:17:38 AM |
Man .... You said it ... after 23 years , thought i could ease up a bit ....... NOT !!
Im just at a point where Im fed up with the bs and this site as well..
Im not an idiot I know theres good women out there, but holy shit the majority of them I truely believe are on here for attention...
I speak my mind alot of times especially in these forums people walk on eggshells afraid they're going to offend someone, well Not everyone will agree with what you think and you have to look past it....
Ive been in the game long enough I notice alot of things in other peoples relationship as well and what I said previously seems common with other peoples relationships as well.. | |
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| how come women initiate the breakup 80% of the time?
Posted: 11/1/2009 9:34:08 AM | DevilsFan
You come up with a couple of examples of woman freaks and think this applies logic to the rest of the 3.2 billion of womankind. No wonder you guys can convince yourselves of just about any ridiculous thing to justify your absurd position. And you have the nerve to call US irrational. Pffft.
And by the way - we are not victims of you any more so get real. | |
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Posted: 11/1/2009 10:28:33 AM |
(moi) Sometimes it's relatively benign. But, there is a marked difference between the "take out the garbage and I'll rock your world!" (the inn0cuous example you used), and the, "Do what I want or I'll make it hard/impossible for you to see your child/ren!". Both are examples of emotional manipulation; the second is rather more aggressive than the first.
(not-moi) I agree, but that's not what that guy said--he said "sexual manipulation" as his example, not "I'll use custody of the kids against you".
... and, of course, you chose the most benign example of "sexual manipulation" possible, as if every example of physical violence involves "knocking teeth out", and every instance of sexual manipulation involves nothing more than getting the guy to take out the garbage...
Because I'm a big sissy-pants and I don't wanna get beaten up!
I'm withholding sex from you--that is, according to your argument, every bit as bad.
I said I'm a sissy-pants. I didn't say that I wasn't resourceful... 
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Posted: 11/1/2009 10:31:21 AM | I ended over cheating.
Tito you say women can't forgive for something like that, yes we can, however, it just shows them they can do it again, as we accepted it the first time.
I forgave my ex the first time it happened, but then it just kept happening then when he ended up in a relationship with my friend, he did it to her within a few weeks because she had to go on a trip across canada. So he screwed around on her. She found out and left him when she got back from her trip. Stupidly I forgave him again and he did it again over Christmas but when I found out he sent me out the door. I went back for a bit, and when he did it again, I got the hint, I had pretty much given him permission to treat me like that by forgiving him. I left and didn't go back this time nor will I ever. My mistake was going back and being too forgiving.
So once I caught on my sons father was doing it behind my back at music gigs, I packed up right in front of him and walked out the door. Wasn't going to allow it a second time. Guess that is why he goes from girl to girl now, they are all not going to put up with that.
So maybe if these men knew how to keep it in their pants they would not have had to go through it.
I tend to look at the number of relationships a person had, the more it is the more you have to question why? (and its not the dating that I am referring to) | |
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Posted: 11/1/2009 10:40:44 AM |
(e.o.t.c.) "Modern" women on the other hand have a different agenda
(CassaGo) What is it?
That's like the old Buddhist question, "What is the sound of one hand clapping?", right?
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Posted: 11/1/2009 10:40:58 AM |
(betterthanyourex82) Im just at a point where Im fed up with the bs and this site as well..
Im not an idiot I know theres good women out there, but holy shit the majority of them I truely believe are on here for attention...
Meh, don't let this site fool you into thinking that all, or even many, women are the head-cases they portray themselves as here. Real life is hardly so nail-bitingly frustrating.
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Posted: 11/1/2009 10:50:48 AM | DevilsFan
You come up with a couple of examples of woman freaks and think this applies logic to the rest of the 3.2 billion of womankind.
Nice try.
He proves his point.
~DevilsFan: I guess I just get so sick and tired of seeing the "Poor Me's" and women portraying themselves as innocent victims when in reality they are in alot of cases just as culpable and guilty.
What he comes up with are a few examples of women that proves there is a percentage of the 3.2 billion women that seek dysfunction in a way that is statistically higher than what men would.
Don't like the numbers, and how it shines a light on women? Take it up out on your own gender.
No wonder you guys can convince yourselves of just about any ridiculous thing to justify your absurd position.
His position is not obsurd.
It's scientific, factual, and objective.
And you have the nerve to call US irrational. Pffft.
Your response is not merely irrational, you're also in denial, and want to eschew any negative facts about your own gender, which makes it impossible to have an honest discussion.
You'll escalate it into an argument.
You want to be able to posit that (some) men are pigs, insensitive, selfish, lazy, etc...
Sure, go ahead. I won't deny it.
Some men are.
But if you're going to tell me that they are not a slew of legitimate reasons that (some) women should be avoided like the plague, you can blow that out your tailpipe....
The larger picture (that those studies indicates) is that there is probably a much, much larger percentage of women who would actually be interested in, and be drawn to men who are far from ideal, who have not done anything that even approaches the level of pathology of serial killers.
Clearly, lotsa women obviously don't think with their "big head" either....
So much for the halo.... | |
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Posted: 11/1/2009 11:08:17 AM | The number can be bent depending on who does the study. In one of my stats classes we talking about how deceitful stats can be... With that being saying devorice rates are at an all time high and relationship do not last as long as they did 50 years ago. My age group is in really trouble!
I don't believe that one gender is to blame for this. I will agree however, that changes in both genders do have a role in it.
1. It used to be that one working person(Normally the man) could support the family. Now both man and women need to work to support a family.
2. Women where in charge of the home (ie clean, cook, mommy stuff). Not that role is co-ed. Mean men and women are equal in and out of the house.
3. Due to the duel working parents child are get less attention creating future relationship issues for the future gen.
There are many more example of what problems are to come and problems there are, but the real question is what is the solution? It is not man or woman's fault it is society as a wholes fault. All of our own inablities to adapt to change.
But may the 80%(and i use that loosely) is a fragment of the women who see this inability to change and seek out a male who is more adaptable. | |
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Posted: 11/1/2009 11:18:53 AM | ...
simply...each person seeks to have the relationship which most satisfies the purpose(s) of the person. that means that conditions to that end must be known.
but people don't know how to explain what are the conditions which most suit the satisfactory. and there happen to be a lot of them. and more of them if you want to be successfull because that would proportionately increase your social net-work thus complicating human relationship values by that process and creating a lot of confusion in the social market place.
but each must know what they want ....to the purpose of being happy ...productive and able to share (exchange) what are the simple values or be much dazzled by opportunistic diversities in increased networking.
women are the most displaced of all social citizens. by environment and by social complications confusing her simple love exchange. we have seen increase in sexual commerce due to such mind-set and that brings much risk and certain disrespects to her most viable full resources. others attitude to her compromise greatly her best assets because she is removed from the most productive of her spiritual being if in commerce and so the distraction.
she has more opportunity to seek. but it will not come without cost to her or society and that includes the young. she needs to feel close to a place of comfort where she can be her most intimate of feminine graces. and until she finds that she will choose whom ever and how ever be optional. increase her awareness to self respects and she shall love you greatly in return.
disrespect her ... and i am on her children side. and her side.
and i do this for her man whether he agree or not.
self knowledge (knowledge of nature)
self responsibility.
self acceptance.
and society is healed.
return her to mother earth where she may teach us and accord her the human respects which grant us all security. | |
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Posted: 11/1/2009 12:24:30 PM | | Yeah I failed to meet my ex's needs by not being physically there all the time. Long distance relationships are difficult. However you think if you truly love someone the distance wouldn't matter. I know people personally in relationships with their significant other in a completely different states. Some women are just more needy than others I guess but I could handle the distance. I don't think I full filled her sexual needs just not by being always being able to be there for her. | |
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Posted: 11/1/2009 12:35:44 PM | | Johnny, I would suggest that it has more to do with your military career. That can be a very tough life for a couple. Few people posess the stomach to deal with that kind of relationship. This is particularily true for young people in your age group. | |
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Posted: 11/1/2009 12:35:53 PM | how come women initiate the breakup 80% of the time... cheeky answer: because men initiate it 20% of the time?
But mostly it's because when it comes to break-ups 80% of guys would rather pull their own teeth out while watching sex in the city re-run marathons than be the ones to break up with a girl. They figure it's easier to treat her like crap until she caves and does it herself. It works great.
p.s. LOL@ percentages...... it's not 79% or 63% ... not even 69% or 90% .... who woulda thunk!! Who comes up with these numbers anyway... | |
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Posted: 11/1/2009 2:16:53 PM |
2 things..
1. If a woman thinks their man might be thinking about breaking up with them they will do it first, woman cannot handle rejection Ive had 2 gfs in the past who i brokeup with and when i took them back they broke up with me for revenge...
2. The grass is always greener on the other side for women, most men if we like a woman than thats all we need but women are far more complicated, you can do the right thing 95% of the time and the 1 time you mess up they cant live past it..
If you'd made that gender-neutral, I'd have agreed with you. But blaming women for these foibles? Not so much--MEN DO EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS. Especially the "if you're not perfect, you're outta here" part.
You come up with a couple of examples of woman freaks and think this applies logic to the rest of the 3.2 billion of womankind. No wonder you guys can convince yourselves of just about any ridiculous thing to justify your absurd position. And you have the nerve to call US irrational.
Honor. Also, coming up with a few crazies isn't even proving the orginal statement, which was "On the other hand you see testimony after testimonial (bemoanial?) that states they want men who are "bad" and treat them like dirt." Even these CRAZY women aren't saying they want to find a guy who treats them like dirt. THAT STATEMENT WAS FALSE.
What he comes up with are a few examples of women that proves there is a percentage of the 3.2 billion women that seek dysfunction in a way that is statistically higher than what men would.
Huh? Check your numbers again, give us the "male crazies" stats, then get back to us. Maybe you're right, but I'm not convinced, just based on YOUR say-so. Depending how you define "seek dysfunction" and I probably coudl come up with a significant number of threads by guys just right on here on Pof who "seek dysfunction".
The larger picture (that those studies indicates) is that there is probably a much, much larger percentage of women who would actually be interested in, and be drawn to men who are far from ideal, who have not done anything that even approaches the level of pathology of serial killers.
Probably, huh? I'll even agree that maybe that's true that women would be atracted to men who are "far from ideal"--but is that the same thing as "guys who treat women like dirt" (NO)? But the original statement was a "fact" that all women are like that, so now, using these stats, it turns out to be a very small percentage of all women, not even close to "most", even. And I think you'd have to account for the frequency in the population of male serial killers (or less than ideal guys) versus the number if female serial killers (or less than ideal women). Maybe I'll go ahead and posit that there are FAR more "far from ideal" males than there are "far from ideal females", so there aren't enough "ideal" fellas to go around. So these poor women *have* to go for "far from ideal guys" (or live life alone). And then women are blamed for going after "far from ideal guys" and then we're ALL told that ALL women are irrational because some small percentage of women choose "far from ideal guys".
Men's "logic" NEEDS those bunny ears. | |
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Posted: 11/1/2009 11:34:31 PM | gents.....you're not getttttting it...we must have a TALK, ok, maybe tomorrow, maybe never, i don't know...should I? ladies, i am not hopeful about our future together.. everybody must do better
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Posted: 11/2/2009 12:55:27 AM | Show me *one* "testimony" that says this, much less many. I have never heard of a woman saying "I am looking for my Prince Goofus, the man who will treat me like the dirt I am". That's an outlandish statement that exposes your own warped view of women and relationships.
testimony? 1.5 million abortions a year
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Posted: 11/2/2009 8:17:44 AM | CassaGo and forumologist
I have NEVER said there are not good women out there. Not once. In fact I know many of them. The problem is that they are not in the majority, despite what you say.
Men are merely pointing out what they see on a daily basis. Your perspective is sheltered because you are a female and do not have to see what a man does. I used to see women everyday by the dozens who suffered a compulsion to match up with violent and aggressive males that abuse them. I gave up counseling because I got sick of seeing the same stupid behavior over and over and over and over again. You try to help victims of domestic abuse -- when in reality most of these women (albeit examples of the extremes) go back to these men over and over again. Too many end up beaten, abused, broken, and bitter -- all because they cannot see the nature of their mistakes. The same happens more commonly in lesser dating choices and relationships where women apply dysfunctional logic to the men they choose. These are FACTS that you can find at any shelter or social services office.
You can throw accusations at me and some of the other men who post on here, but we are not whining. We are trying to point out what we see, and that there is a problem with the larger percentage of the female population and how they view the world. You want facts? Well go out and live in the real world. Go find it yourself. Anyone who takes off their blinders can see it. You must lead a very sheltered existence to be so blind.
I have absolutely no problem with equality or any aspects of it. What I have a problem with is that female culture has some very negative and blinding views on the abuses heaped on men who are trying to help them. I do see women who wise up to the abuse after suffering enough of it, but then their own culture and media continues spewing foolishness under the guise of "romance" that perpetuates this garbage for the next generation coming up. Then the cycle starts all over again.
Women should be standing up and creating an identity for their younger siblings and daughters that rejects the common view in favor of one that deals with realities and the ethics that come of simple decency towards others.
Come on. You cannot continue to bad mouth men for womens foolish choices. The root of the problem is female culture in western countries itself. Stop trying to shoot the messenger just because you resent the truth.
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