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Posted: 11/1/2009 5:52:13 PM | Province corrects course on H1N1 shot
Albertans angling for H1N1 shots will have to wait weeks to be vaccinated unless they are high risk patients, say provincial health brass.
Dr. Andre Corriveau, the province's chief medical officer of health, said today that a dramatic slowdown in shipments of the vaccine has forced a change in tactics and targeted clinics for those most in need of immunization could open as early as tomorrow.
“I think it will be at least a couple of weeks before we can open the immunization program to larger groups,” he said, accepting full responsibility for the the campaign that was rolled out in mass vaccination clinics across the province last Monday.
“The plan is to resume immunization clinics as early as possible this week but they will specifically be targeted to high risk groups.”
In a surprise announcement, the province on Saturday suspended mass vaccination clinics as a spike in demand cut deeply into stockpiles of the higly sought vaccine.
Corriveau said only 80,000 doses are slated to be delivered this week, far less than initial projections of 220,000 and that means Alberta will have to make due with an estimated 330,000 shots available for the entire province over the next two weeks.
Responding to a growing wave of criticism, Health Minister Ron Liepert refused to admit the province's plan to allow all Albertans to roll up their sleeves was an error.
“I am not going to accept the word mistake when today, the most recent numbers we have show 400,000 Albertans have been immunized and that's 400,000 Albertans who won't need to access our hospitals,” he said, noting he has not received the H1N1 shot himself, but he couldn't speak for other members of the provincial cabinet.
“What we were attempting to avoid is policing lineups because that becomes a very challenging job.”
Liepert noted polls prior to the vaccine becoming available suggested many Albertans weren't interested in receiving the shot and health officials didn't anticipate the long lines that jammed mass immunization clinics.
Corriveau said officials are still outlining plans to deliver the vaccine to high risk groups, which includes pregnant women, children under five and people under 65 with chronic health conditions.
While details on how shot seekers will be segregated are still being devised, Corriveau said there may be specialized clinics set up for individual high risk groups, with those with chronic health conditions required to present documentation of their illness.
Liepert added it is possible that the vaccine may be made available to the general public again prior to further shipments if the response of targeted groups isn't as high as anticipated.
“It'll be completely dependent on the take up of those in the high risk category,” he said.
“I think we're in a much better position than other parts of the country.”
Since April, there have been 14 deaths linked to the H1N1 virus in Alberta and 258 people hospitalized. | |
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Posted: 11/1/2009 7:23:14 PM |
Like any other unionized enterprise, health care in Canada is run for the convenience and benefit of the EMPLOYEES, and the clients, the people the system is nominally set up to serve, the ones who pay the bills, are at best an irrelevant and unavoidable inconvenience.
For the unions, as always, it's all about maximum pay for minimum work.
I resent those two statements greatly. I realize you probably have no clue what most health care workers(that including nurses, PCAs/NAs, Unit Clerks etc.)do and are just voicing your very uneducated opinion on the topic, and I am predicting someday in the next decade you will be clued in.
As nurse that runs her butt off 12 and sometimes 13 hours straight I feel I need to set you straight. Many days we miss our unpaid lunch breaks, and are doing the work of one or two nurses on top of our own work as often we are one or two nurses short and have no time to sit and even chart let alone get off our feet. We work overtime when staff members are sick. So on top of my regular twelve hour shift I can work another two to fours hours to cover until they replace... if they can replace. I spent much of last year working eight 12 hour shifts in a row with one day off before another 8 in a row. My family life suffers as well as my work life as its very draining. I don't do this just to fill my pockets as I lose most of the overtime to taxes. I do this because I love what I do and find it very rewarding caring for those that need it.
I'd really like to know how I am getting maximum pay for minimum work. How much harder do you expect us nurses, NAs, Unit clerks to work??? What more can we possibly add to our already overloaded work?? If you had no healthcare workers what would you figure we would do with our clients/patients? Us healthcare workers are there for our clients. That is why I went into the field. To care for and nurture my patients back to health.
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Posted: 11/1/2009 7:57:03 PM |
I resent those two statements greatly. I realize you probably have no clue what most health care workers(that including nurses, PCAs/NAs, Unit Clerks etc.)do and are just voicing your very uneducated opinion on the topic, and I am predicting someday in the next decade you will be clued in.
As nurse that runs her butt off 12 and sometimes 13 hours straight I feel I need to set you straight. Many days we miss our unpaid lunch breaks, and are doing the work of one or two nurses on top of our own work as often we are one or two nurses short and have no time to sit and even chart let alone get off our feet. We work overtime when staff members are sick. So on top of my regular twelve hour shift I can work another two to fours hours to cover until they replace... if they can replace. I spent much of last year working eight 12 hour shifts in a row with one day off before another 8 in a row. My family life suffers as well as my work life as its very draining. I don't do this just to fill my pockets as I lose most of the overtime to taxes. I do this because I love what I do and find it very rewarding caring for those that need it.
I'd really like to know how I am getting maximum pay for minimum work. How much harder do you expect us nurses, NAs, Unit clerks to work??? What more can we possibly add to our already overloaded work?? If you had no healthcare workers what would you figure we would do with our clients/patients? Us healthcare workers are there for our clients. That is why I went into the field. To care for and nurture my patients back to health.
I can just imagine what kind of patient you are....
And this has "what???" to do with the simple fact that once again, our wonderful healthcare system has dropped the ball?
Incidentally, almost no one gets a "paid lunch", a great many of us work in occupations where, after 12 brutal hours on the job, we don't go home, we stop for an "unpaid" lunch, and overtime... what's that?
Do we expect healthcare workers to work 24 hours a day, every day of their lives? NO. We DO expect healthcare workers to do as the rest of us do: Get on with the job instead of whining about having to put in a little extra effort, and leave the politics at home. | |
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Posted: 11/1/2009 8:10:27 PM | I'm not expecting a paid lunch... just a lunch period. Clearly you missed the point and do not get the fact that nurses and other staff have been cut back to the point that there is no more room for any more cuts and we are already putting in more than a little extra effort, but with your previous statement I am not the least bit surprised. You are one of the many that think all we have is time to sit around and whine. Some days I wish that were true.  | |
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Posted: 11/1/2009 8:11:09 PM |
and overtime... what's that?
Something you're entitled to when you work for an hourly wage and exceed the number of hours. If aren't getting overtime pay and you're entitled something is terribly wrong. | |
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Posted: 11/1/2009 8:16:20 PM |
We DO expect healthcare workers to do as the rest of us do: Get on with the job instead of whining about having to put in a little extra effort, and leave the politics at home. Wow, you must be best friends with Chair! She wasn't whining, she was just simply stating the truth. | |
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Posted: 11/1/2009 8:41:23 PM | | Yes for sure.What a blooming mess! Alberta Health Services continues to muddle and we survive in spite of , not necessarily because of the situation. | |
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Posted: 11/1/2009 9:36:03 PM | Haha. Holy crap a friend!!
In light of the H1N1 vaccine setback I'm suspending any comments ...temporarily... | |
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Posted: 11/1/2009 10:00:48 PM | it figures the scabs wantto once again blae a union for the woes of a scabby government healthcare system that would really prefer to sell its services to the lowest bidder
and it also figures that insteadof placing the blame at the feet of the non unionized, union breakers , who really are the ones mandating and controlling the services in this country, they choose to put it upon the unionized workers who do their jobs everyday for a pittance pay cheque at the end of the week
u can cry all you want , if the shoe was on the other foot, and your employer told you to shut the hell up and stop whining about your pay check and just do the job you are supposed to do , im pretty sure that you would quit or have a work stoppage/slowdown in response to being forced to work for less money than the job was worth
personally now would be the perfect timeto have a strike, the best time to strike is when you are needed the most
because then . and only then are you going to be paid attention to and paid or dealt with according to your demands
the non union governments would like to enable all jobs to be paid less money to the workers, and more to the scabby employers.
if you EXPECT your services to be taken care of, then pull out your scabby wallet and PAY for the service, otherwise , don your " im a non union scab and proud of it " t shirt and sthu
"Get on with the job instead of whining about having to put in a little extra effort, and leave the politics at home"
um dude , they are perfectly entitled to complin about their jobs, as are you and the rest of us
if it wasnt for squeaky wheels,wed all be working 120 work weeks for 2 dollars a day still
so think about your comments regarding a persons right to a harrassment, and fair work environment
or are u in a field of employment where u just bend over n take every stiffy they throw your way and smile and say thank you sir on pay day?
health carepeople work insane hrs,are exposed to every type of human waste that is brought into their hospital, they deal with the diseases that the rest of us would cringe even thinking about being around. you think your job is tough? imagine looking at babies and people all day that you know are about to die . i have no clue how they do their jobs and still manage to go home at the end of a shift and sleep thru the night after seeing what they must see evry day
so id be the last person to ever attack the nurses and associated trades that prolong our lives on a daily basis
screw the flu , its just anothe way for drs to up their rates to 500 an hr
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Posted: 11/2/2009 12:01:45 AM | Bottom line here? The whole system is falling down. The politicians have promised the moon and can't deliver, but also can't admit it. That's an indisputable fact.
The unions are making things worse, not better. The system's understaffed? Just maybe, if there weren't so many resources devoted to pacifying the UNIONS, not the front line people who actually produce something but the UNION FAT CATS, there might be money available to hire more people, if those people were out there.
I was married to a nurse, so I have some knowlege of what they go through. It's a hard job, I'm not disputing that, but it's not the only hard job in the universe, and everyone in that occupation knew what they were getting into when they signed their application forms.
You want healthcare to work? I think we all do, but if we truly want it to work, the entire system has to change. Government cannot be allowed to play politics with people's lives. The unions and their "ME FIRST, LAST AND ALWAYS AND BY THE WAY, SCREW YOU" attitude have to go too. They're not part of the solution, they're part of the problem.
Incidentally, while I now run my own business and know first hand about working till the work's done, whatever it takes, in the past I also worked for union companies. At various times, I've been a member of the Paperworkers, the Teamsters and the CAW, and was actually once a CAW union rep. Nothing like seeing how it works from the inside to give you a true perspective. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 3:15:46 AM | | Thanks Trubb for telling it the way you see it! Nurses do their job because they care about people-i spite of all the s*** and abuse (literally) they have to tolerate. Many people don't realize what a nurse's job involves until they or a loved one needs care. By the way, don't forget they work 24/7/365!!! And bulldog-I don't think every nurse knows what he or she is getting into when they start their training. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 5:45:13 AM | Any true professional at what they do, whether nurse or mechanic, parent or businessman does what they do 24/7/365. They do what they do for the love of doing it and the genuine caring for doing the best they can. This is not nurse specific.
As for not knowing what they are getting into, they do have options to work in different care areas from palliative to hospital to the nursing hotline to getting into sales or writing. Or getting out. Or continuing education to further their credentials. Just like anyone else.
When crunch time hits in any field, we all are able and expected to put in the effort needed to get through things. Nurses are not the only ones with this expectation nor are they the only ones in a field that is short staffed and that need never really ends.
Nothing extra special about that. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 6:20:04 AM | There is something special about nursing/healthcare easyguy. I love my job and have no intention of leaving it because at times its tough. I went into healthcare fully knowing what I was in for, but I do not appreciate people saying its about maximum pay for minimum work and that this healthcare system is all about benefitting the employees. The average nursing career only last ten years for a reason.
I am sorry, but I also do not see nursing/healthcare like working as a mechanic. If a car dies.... its not the same thing as losing a patient young or old.
The system is in shambles and its not because of the unions that keep us at a fair wage. Fair. Bulldog... you are no longer married to a nurse. You no longer have an inside look at what is going on. If it is the unions that are really causing the problems then you are basically saying that nurses and healthcare workers are paid to much because that's what unions do. They keep wages fair and at a decent rate. But I guess you figure that we aren't worth the pay. At least that is the impression that I get from you original statement.
It's in shambles because they are paying Duckett big bucks to make all the cuts he can. He's cutting were they should not be cutting. Manager are being let go or demoted so that the managers they are keeping are going from running one unit to two or three units. Nothing like doing double or triple the work. Letting nurses quit and not replacing those positions. Our system is in shambles because they are not keeping hospitals and healthcare facilities properly(nor safely) staffed.
Speaking of Duckett. Maybe you should all see what a sweet deal he is getting if you want to talk about the fat cats making the big bucks. Makes a base salary of 575 000. That does not include his bonuses, free trips home to Australia, one year paid sabbatical after working for five years, one time 50 000 transition payment and many other perks. He gets all this and more to tear apart our healthcare system, criticize the workers(nurses) and show little to no compassion for us Albertans. He's not even Canadian so why should he even give a ________ about any of us, which clearly he doesn't anyhow.
http://www.albertahealthservices.ca/files/org-contract-dr-duckett.pdf
Yes, there is someone to blame. Stelmach, Dr. Duckett, Ron LIEpert, the conservatives and AHS. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 6:36:06 AM | the real bottomline is . it isnt he union destroying heathcare . itste govern,en trying to desroy a great world envied system in order to adopt an american style parastitic health care system
our system has worked fine for decades
the union has dcveleoped it into a well oiled machine
if it wasnt for the scab parties trying to undermine it and find better ways to destroy it an line their own pckets in the meantime , it would still be the envy of theworld
the non union people are the ones with the power to shut down hospitals and hrs to the workers and then force then to do the same job for less pay than others in the same trade
then they pay drs and surgeons extravagantly higher wages then the lower classed support trades that do 90% of the actual work.
just to create an air of superiority
and yet here you sit bemoaning a nurse her 20 to 30 dollar an hr wage , when the dr who is standing around makes and is now permitted to charge up to 500 dollars an hr
whos destroying healthcare?
whats with the whole union fat cat rhetoric? do you even have a slight clue as to what that reallymeans ?its a misnomer , created to make one assume that the union itself is paid a cent by anyone , other than the members
healthcare system doesnt pay the union dues, the union members do
. you seriously need to take a reality check and actually learn what your talking about, before you attack an organization that has set up and created an air of equality in this country and many others, it hasestablished fair trade, fair work practices and fair wages for its employees. if you dont like aunion system , why don tyou go ork in some sweat shop or work in the cotton fields working for the master and see if that suits your ind better
you owe your decent wages to the fact that union members have fought for them in this country and others, as we all know there arent any employers out there lining up to raise your wages , unless you ask and have an organiation behind you to achieve that goal | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 6:45:34 AM | Count me in as one of those people who think nurses, LPN's, NA's, Unit Clerks and all the other medical personnel are exemplary people doing a job as what can at best be described as not for the faint of heart. These occupations are often fraught with physical demands, emotional turmoil and intense concentration. I spent 30 days in hospital a year ago and I have nothing but the utmost admiration for the medical personnel who cared for me. Each and every one of them gave me their all and often went that extra mile to to ensure that I was well cared for. It takes a special kind of person to work in the medical field and I thank them all from the bottom of my heart. 
Anti-Date, now that you have posted a picture, I remember seeing that face from a few years back. It's good to see you again. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 6:48:23 AM | Nurses statistics
The following percentages reflect those nurses employed by the Health Authorities and Alberta Cancer Board, but do not include all nurses working in private or contracted facilities.
Source: Regional Health Authority Workforce Reporting 2007
Registered nurses
The College and Association of Registered Nurses of Alberta reported that as of September 30, 2007, there were 30,932 Registered Nurses registered in Alberta.
25.6 per cent are working regular full-time hours.
41.7 per cent are working regular part-time hours.
5.3 per cent are working temporary hours.
27.4 per cent are working casual hours.
4.6 per cent are taking a leave of absence.
Licensed practical nurses
The College of Licensed Practical Nurses of Alberta reported that as of December 31, 2007, there were 7,264 Licensed Practical Nurses registered in Alberta.
24.9 per cent are working regular full-time hours.
41.2 per cent are working regular part-time hours.
4.7 per cent are working temporary hours.
29.2 per cent are working casual hours.
4.7 per cent are taking a leave of absence.
My mom was an RN for over 40 years (retired a couple years ago), so I have a massive amount of respect for nurses, what they do, and what they go through. But when it's said that all nurses are overworked and that there is a drastic nurse shortage, when only 25% of them even work full time hours, I have to disagree.
They absolutely work hard, and often pull long shifts, but they are well compensated for it. My mom used to show me her paycheques... for a 12 hour night shift, with weekend and night premiums and everything else, she would clear over $600. In ONE shift. That's why so many nurses are casual or part time - when you're pulling in that kind of money, who needs to work full time hours? | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 7:00:25 AM | Shaun, I'll forgive the assumption, but auto mechanics are not the only mechanics.
A power plant uses industrial mechanics. If the generators start failing, the mechanics repair it. No generator, no power. Brown-outs or blackouts all over. Without power in the summer, people die. Elderly and ill in hot areas (yes, Canada and the US have them) without air conditioning can die and during brown-outs, deaths increase.
Mechanics as well do not work like Jonny Punchclock when working in food industry, manufacturing of ANY kind, mobile repair (that transport that makes sure food gets to your grocery store so you can buy food to eat?), aircraft maintenance, etc.
Do you honestly believe "It was after 5pm" would cut it in an inquiry as to why an airplane crashed and killed the people onboard?
How about the furnace repair folk and plumbers who make sure your frozen and now blown pipes at 2 AM or the furnace that stops running any time after 5PM still gets fixed?
Parents never get off duty, even when they are at work. Planning, worries, arrangements, it's a never ending thing.
Sorry, but not just with nurses (my wife was one until MS knocked her out of the field) but any who think they are more special for dedication, for having a job that saves lives and keeps people comfortable, for having bad work conditions at least half the time, for being overworked.... well, sorry, but I see that all over. It's something that is no more expected from that work field than any others.
How about a soldier defending a community from being blown away? Do you think that they get better work conditions than anyone in the health care field? Do you think they make remotely close to what a health care professional makes? I left after one 4 year stint. I know people who are in and when not on posting have to work 1 or 2 part time jobs on the side to make sure their kids can eat on the wages they make.
We are all special, just like everyone else.
Edit: Except for politicians. I truly have no examples of how their jobs can be required for them to be slogging through 18 hour work days for ump-teen days on end. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 7:20:42 AM | I'm and LPN so I do not make the RN wage. The only time I get $600 for a shift is if I work an overtime 12 hour shift and get double time pay. I usually end up losing most of it to taxes. I work full time 12 hour shifts. My gf is a full time RN in a busy labour and deliver unit. She works short staffed all the time. The reason for the stats you have there is they don't want to staff the units to full capacity. Most nurses(this includes RN, LPNs and NAs) I know work two or three jobs. So while in the stats is shows part time... they in fact are working full time or more with all jobs combined and not getting the overtime. How about you go talk to nurses on the actual units and see what they tell you. I have nursing friends all over from L&D, the children's hospital, post partum, renal units, medical units, ICUs, special care nursery, etc. I hear first hand what is really going on on the units, not just a bunch of stats. I have friends moms that are and were nurses. Its not the same as it once was. That much I know. They keep hiking up the patient to nurse ratio. A year ago nurses were working tonnes of overtime because there was an estimated 800 nurses short in Calgary alone. I know as I was actually working eight 12 hour shifts in a row with only one day off in between for the entire summer. SO do not tell me there was no shortage. We had a full time night line open for almost one year before it was finally filled. Now that the recession has hit it has calmed down where I work, but not everywhere according to friends of mine. What has happened to all those open lines from the nursing shortage? Well a few months ago they put a hiring freeze on the lines and closed them all. How is that not cutting jobs or making units short staffed?
Easyguy. I am not asking to be told I am special. I just want healthcare workers to get the respect they deserve and not be accused of doing minimum work for maximum page. We earn our paychecks Thankyouverymuch!! | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 7:31:36 AM |
then they pay drs and surgeons extravagantly higher wages then the lower classed support trades that do 90% of the actual work.
just to create an air of superiority
Just to create an air of superiority? I've always wondered why people choose to become nurses instead of doctors. Thanks for the clarity. Because I always thought it had something to do with the extra six to eight years of school (most unpaid and most involving massive debts) the years of specialized training, on the job training and the expertise required to become a doctor. But I see now that it's really just an illusion of superiority and that anyone who chooses to occupy a lower totem and do the same work for one tenth of the salary must be a total idiot. So thanks. Nurses are idiots now. Great. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 7:45:42 AM | Someone,
Your stats show how many part time designated positions they post, not the true number of hours that part timers, relief or occasional designated workers truly work.
The reason for low rates of full time designation is so that the employers can pay less benefits, less fees, less perks to the employee but still expect the same number of hours from them. Many unionized places do have a clause for extra scheduled hours being non-refusable.
OMG,
After meeting many in various levels of health care from scientists to doctors to nurses, it would be the nurses who are most competent at their jobs. The reason Nurse Practitioners (don't know if they exist in Alberta) are so valued is a basic recognition of how little further training a nurse requires to fill not only her job but about half of what a family doctor or GP has for duties as well.
If doctors had listened to the nurses, my wife would have been diagnosed with her affliction in her mid teens and given the ability to tailor lifestyle to extend her quality of life longer. No, doctor pride and arrogance ignored written recommendations from the nurses. Nurses are indeed the backbone that keeps the system running. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 9:23:18 AM | theres where u went wrong omg , u tried to think
dont do something your not good at , instead just remain a forum stalker
and spare us all the poor dr rhetoric, apparently you and the actual news are on different pages
if you had an inkling of what was going on, youd have actually seent he news report imreferring to
rather than just tryin to get a reaction
these so called massive debts??? paid out by the taxpayer via student loans.....
extra school ?? have you seen apprenticeship programs lately? they can go on for equally a many yrs
and they are actually labor intensive, not just sit and study . nurses do exactly the same jobs plus alot more of the work
im only hoping soon that they allow nurses to do the samejobs as the drs
thats when the drs wages willactually drop to a realistic level
i assume you think lawyers arent overpaid either. or politicians and other white collar people
spare us all your sucking up , its sad
and fyi
a nurse isnt on a lower totempole than a dr
your clasifying people is pretty insulting to nurses
i hope your next visit to a hospital , sees u waiting for the dr to come and take care of you rather than a nurse
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Posted: 11/2/2009 2:31:11 PM |
your clasifying people is pretty insulting to nurses
Oh gawd I knew I'd have to explain this one to you, trubble. When you say things like the only difference between doctors and nurses is "an illusion of superiority" it's hugely insulting to both professions. You're saying A) that doctors who have spent about 300k over and above the education required by a nurse plus time not earning money, plus plus plus, are worth no more than someone who hasn't. That's completely idiotic and insulting although in your opinion, it's just insulting the right party. And B) you're saying that nurses are just as capable as doctors and therefore have no reason not to be doctors. Like if it's just as easy to be a doctor, how stupid do you have to be to choose nursing and do the same work as doctors for one tenth of the pay.
This is the problem I have with all of these union rants, essential services aside. It's making an assumption that people are unable to take care of themselves. They have to hire out the control of their own destinies because they'll all get pummeled into working for 'da man for no money their whole lives. For some people unions are wonderful. For others they aren't. How come rock stars don't belong to a rock star union? Because they're all completely loaded beyond belief? Some are. But some like Collective Soul have screwed up so badly they'll be broke for the rest of their lives no matter how many copies of "Prescious Declaration" they sell. Those guys should have joined a union. I've had numerous set backs due to my own ignorance that would have been avoided had I been involved in a unionized work. But that's not for me.
these so called massive debts??? paid out by the taxpayer via student loans.....
I rented a house to four first year med students this year and as part of the application they all listed a 250k ATB student LOC as their major source of income for the next two years while in school. So A) it's a LOAN not a tax payer gift and B) it's from a private lender, not tax payers. And C) the government may insure these loans, I'm not sure. They also insure home loans which they actually make money doing. So if they do, it's likely a positive cash flow for all your tax payers.
you seriously need to take a reality check and actually learn what your talking about, before you attack an organization that has set up and created an air of equality in this country and many others, it hasestablished fair trade, fair work practices and fair wages for its employees
Then why do nurses make so much less than doctors!?! So being in a union doesn't provide equality then? Not gettin' it. Unions create just as much inequality as they dissolve. I don't know any nurses. But I'm willing to bet they're not all wonderful, saintly, angelic, beings. I'll bet there are nurses who really suck at their jobs, who duck and dodge the nasty work, who don't clean things up properly, who are mean to patients, who just really don't give a f'ck. I'll also bet there are fabulous nurses who go above and beyond every day. And because they all get the same pay scale shoved at them the really good ones have to.......
just bend over n take every stiffy they throw your way and smile and say thank you sir on pay day
And I'm also sure some of the older nurses who get paid more than the younger ones throw their experience around a bit and get the "newbies" to scrub their boots for them while collecting more income. This kind of hierarchy bull is rampant in unions. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 3:23:46 PM | funny ,you dont know any , but in your vast wisdom your willing yto guess eh
hmm well that and a quarter will get you almost a phn call
you think unions create as much inequality as they solve? you seriously havent got a clue do you
other than tryin to start an arguement about how you seem to "think"its a good thing.you arrive with guesses and conjecture and your? best bet"
the type of hierarchy you ae referring to , isnt a union created one, its actully non union /seniority principle
and it isnt exactly unfair , its a fact of existance. its been around since before we were ever a country smart guy
the longer youve held your position , the more sway you have over the way things are done
its called on site experience, as you say , they" throw there experience around" aww well thats because they HAVE it to throw around smart guy.they didnt buy it , they earned it .
who do you think scrubs the drs cloths? certainly not himself !
you cry foul because a nurse gets her clothes cleaned by a service devoted to that , yet stand on a soapbox to defend a drs right to act in the same manner
and excuse me ,but would you prefer to be serviced or given directions by someone who just started today.,or someone who held the position for 20 yrs?
your arguements are as moot as your attacks on an organization that has set the standard for wages and the protection of workers rights, you should stick to listening to the other burdgeoning anti unionists in the media , you know the ones with the lifetime jobs who cry because someone else wishes to put food on their tables as well.
the thread isnt even about drs and nurses rights, its about flu clinics, id waer you at 10 to 1 odds that int hese clinics, there are alot more nurses, than drs. and if hat is the case, then who do you think it is that is manning the frontlines to prevent an epidemic?and if it is in fact that nurses are more numerous and putting in alot more hours .
prior to the flu , these drs petitioned the gov to raise there rates . or they wouldnt show up to work .
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Posted: 11/2/2009 3:36:29 PM |
Then why do nurses make so much less than doctors!?! So being in a union doesn't provide equality then? Not gettin' it. Unions create just as much inequality as they dissolve. I don't know any nurses. But I'm willing to bet they're not all wonderful, saintly, angelic, beings. I'll bet there are nurses who really suck at their jobs, who duck and dodge the nasty work, who don't clean things up properly, who are mean to patients, who just really don't give a f'ck. I'll also bet there are fabulous nurses who go above and beyond every day. And because they all get the same pay scale shoved at them the really good ones have to.......
From my inpatient experience, I would like to speak to the issue of those nurses who really suck at their job, etc. I was in the acute palliative care unit of the Cancer Centre and over 3 admissions whilst in that unit, I got to observe many of the medical caregivers go about their daily duties. While the majority of the medical staff who tended to me were absolutely wonderful angels, there was a very small number who weren't the least bit angelic . There was one young first-year registered nurse who spent as much of her 8 hour shift as possible tucked away at the back of the unit on the patients' phone scheduling all of her personal social activities from calling friends to go to the bar with her to making appointments to have a manicure/pedicure and her hair cut and styled. She was quite sloppy when tending to patients, greatly lacked tact and diplomacy when dealing with co-workers as well as dying patients and their families and generally didn't give a rat's patootie about her job. She was merely doing her time and doing as little work as she possibly could. Many of us on the unit remarked that it was obvious that she was in the wrong occupation and I personally spoke with the head nurse and had it noted on my chart that I did not want her assigned to me as did the relatives of several other patients.
I pulled up the Alberta Health Services site and discovered that RN's are currently being hired at the hourly rates of between $32.34 to $42.45 per hour. I would suspect that this particular nurse would have been at the $32.34 per hour rate which is an exhorbitant amount of hourly pay for one to pretty much conduct their personal life whilst supposedly working their 8 hour shift. Non-union personnel admitted to me that they were aware of her conduct but to lodge a complaint against her with the union would open a rather large can of worms and would cost more in lost time and productivity than it might otherwise be worth. They were hoping she would leave the unit of her own accord.
As far as some people in these fora who that feel that doctors are overpaid, I would have to ask them why we have had and continue to have so many losses of our Canadian-trained doctors to the States? It is my understanding that the reason so many doctors head south of the border is because they are able to earn a living far and above what doctors in Canada are earning as per their respective Provincial Fee Schedules. Hence, the shortage of family physicians in all of Alberta and the whole country for that matter. That is one of the pitfalls of universal health care but that is another topic. [Don't jump all over me - I am pro universal health care but mention this to corroborate the fact that doctors in Canada don't make million dollar wages like some may in the States.] | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 4:04:40 PM | lol so you wish to sit in judgement of whos getting paid too much do you?well id say start at the bankers, and the politicians and the drs and work your way around and thru the mass of ties and 5000 dollar suits.
before you start on nurses,and the people whos sweat and actual labor are the cornerstones of this country
nurses arent there to babysit you, they are there to monitor a whole floor full of sick people.
so you werent treated like a princess. when was the last time a bank manager stopped by your home with a cup of timmies in the morning?
i dont hear tales of how nurses are recieving bonus cheques for millions of dollars every year just because they do the job they are overpaid to do .
if you want to start cutting wages, start at the top
what kind of scabs start cutting the wages of the workers , before they start cutting away the frills of the bosses?if hats the type of society you want, then move to the usa , where the capitalists and profiteers have already set up shop and are already creating the collapseof an entire nation due to their greed | |
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