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Posted: 11/2/2009 4:13:45 PM |
funny ,you dont know any , but in your vast wisdom your willing yto guess eh
hmm well that and a quarter will get you almost a phn call
So am I wrong? Or is a really basic understanding of human nature too much of a stretch? Nurses are no different than any other group of people working together in the same environment. Good ones, bad ones. Guaranteed. It's way more ignorant to start spouting off about "this one time I went to da hospital and the doctor was wrong so therefore doctors are idiots and should just listen to nurses". That kind of non sense drives me crazy. One experience at the hospital doesn't create a general reality for the rest of the world. You know what else I'm willing to make a bet on but have absolutely no experience with? I'd say doctors actually do stuff that even the most experienced nurses can't do every single day. Several times a day. Am I wrong?
there are alot more nurses, than drs. and if hat is the case, then who do you think it is that is manning the frontlines to prevent an epidemic?
I thought the flu was just a bunch of hype. Now it's an epidemic that threatens us all save for the nurses pounding shots into peoples' arms? WTF.
you know the ones with the lifetime jobs who cry because someone else wishes to put food on their tables as well.
I just happen to think that sometimes unions make it harder for people to put food on the table. For example union electricians in AB make 32-37 bucks an hour plus standard benefits etc. I haven't been able to hire an electrician in Calgary for less than 70 bucks an hour in years. The union guy gets benefits and security and has no overhead costs. That's perfect for some people. Other people would rather take a risk, work independently and try to build a business that provides passive income so they don't have to work for the rest of their lives. Or at the very least, they want to get paid full market value for their labour. Union electricians only get paid when they're working (vacation pay and that "dignified retirement" aside). It's the golden paycheck and the secrurity that creates really great worker bees so that the people you hate so much can carry on a thriving business.
We actually have the exact same opinion, just different solutions. I'm not interested in other people making money off my labour either. Unions included.
Just curious, dentists have assistants who do all the really gross teeth cleaning and menial task jobs. They get all the shoulder problems from poking around in mouths all day. So, do they also deserve the same salary as dentists?
and excuse me ,but would you prefer to be serviced or given directions by someone who just started today.,or someone who held the position for 20 yrs?
Depends how smart the person is. Generally, experienced practicioners would be better. But I also went to a chiropractor once who is still snapping necks for a living. I told him i wasn't really into the neck cracking thing and was reassured that he had been doing this for twenty years (exactly 20 years too) and that I had nothing to worry about. I couldn't help but to think, f'ck the state of the art in chiropractic medicine hasn't changed at all in 20 years? So in that case, I'd prefer a just out of the gates smartie pants quack.
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Posted: 11/2/2009 4:58:13 PM |
lol so you wish to sit in judgement of whos getting paid too much do you?well id say start at the bankers, and the politicians and the drs and work your way around and thru the mass of ties and 5000 dollar suits.
before you start on nurses,and the people whos sweat and actual labor are the cornerstones of this country
nurses arent there to babysit you, they are there to monitor a whole floor full of sick people.
so you werent treated like a princess. when was the last time a bank manager stopped by your home with a cup of timmies in the morning?
i dont hear tales of how nurses are recieving bonus cheques for millions of dollars every year just because they do the job they are overpaid to do .
if you want to start cutting wages, start at the top
what kind of scabs start cutting the wages of the workers , before they start cutting away the frills of the bosses?if hats the type of society you want, then move to the usa , where the capitalists and profiteers have already set up shop and are already creating the collapseof an entire nation due to their greed
It would appear that you didn't comprehend my two previous posts because you seem to be missing the point I was making. I don't give a rat's patootie whether you are union or you are not union but I do believe in receiving what we are paying for. I stated clearly that the young nurse in my post was not earning her pay and was ripping off you, me and every other person in this province that pays taxes because that is who she is paid by. Let me turn this another way - if you hired me to do a job for you and I showed up for work but I only spent 1/4 of the shift actually doing the job and 3/4 of the shift on personal social matters, you would very willingly pay me the 100% for that shift when on 25% had been completed and would happy to think you got fair value for the 100% that it cost you?
There are a lot of non-union people whose sweat and labour are the cornerstones of this country as well so that cannot be claimed solely by unionized workers. To make such a claim is insulting to the majority of the working population who is non-union.
And as for being treated as a princess while I was in the hospital, you are absolutely correct - I wasn't. As a matter of fact, when you have 1 RN to 4 patients on an acute palliative care unit and being that I was ambulatory and not as ill as some of the other patients, I was happy to assist the overworked RN's when I could by doing a few task of a non-medical nature for other patients when I saw that a particular RN may have had her hands full with an urgent matter. So yes, I guess you could call me a scab to step in and provide assistance to a unionized employee by a non-union patient because as far as I am concerned the need for humanity and compassion comes ahead of a union.
In any event, I do have the utmost respect for all medical professionals who diligently do their jobs. It's the slackers that I have no respect for. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 5:24:16 PM | I'll tell you for a fact that a lot of the nurses that are calling in sick and having the younger ones take their place on the floor and burning out, are totally burnt out themselves and are the ones that have been breaking their backs for 20+ years.
It's the shittest job with little to no recognition or appreciation, that INCLUDES the patients - and Diane is right when she says you're in it cuz you love it, not for the money!
I gotta step in an stick up for RN, RPNs, HCA....the whole lot of you....kudos ... it's a soul burning career! | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 5:38:09 PM | well where would you liketo start? i see cops sitting around donut shops for hrs, are they doing the job they are paid for? lets fire them too
i see zillions of peple not doing their jobs, should we just fire em all or allow themtolower the wages for the ones that are doing there jobs?
as far as getting what we pay for
how much exactly did that trip to the hospital set you back????
zilch, as it cost each and every one of us for you to make your trip there.so spare the get what you pay for speech. be friggin happy you had at least one decent nurse to wipe your butt. there are countries just to the south where theyd let you die in the waiting room
im sure we all have days at work when we are just listless and otherwise occupied
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Posted: 11/2/2009 5:54:08 PM | Shots for pregnant women, kids only
Alberta is revamping its swine flu vaccination program to focus the remaining doses of a dwindling supply on pregnant women and children between six months and five years of age.
After this highest priority group, people under 65 with chronic health conditions will be next in line for the shots, Health Minister Ron Liepert announced Monday.
Liepert said the province remains committed to giving the vaccine within the next two months to all Albertans who want it.
“No one likes to turn away citizens of this province from receiving their vaccination, but unfortunately with a limited supply we are left with no choice,” he told the legislature.
Swine flu has become an increasingly volatile issue for Premier Ed Stelmach’s Tory government and the NDP forced an emergency debate in the assembly Monday.
NDP Leader Brian Mason said people have been flooding his office with complaints since the vaccinations began a week ago.
“People right across the province are concerned, many of them are angry, frustrated and scared,” said Mason. “This government has shown that it couldn’t manage a lemonade stand.”
Provincial health officials originally offered shots to all residents last week while asking healthy Albertans to give high-risk groups priority.
However, overwhelming demand and a slowdown in delivery from the federal government led to a significant shortage of the vaccine. Clinics were suspended on the weekend after roughly 10 per cent of Albertans had been immunized.
Liepert confirmed Monday that Alberta’s supply of vaccine has been reduced to 180,000 doses after 400,000 people were vaccinated in just six days.
The province is expecting another 50,000 doses of the regular vaccine on Thursday plus several thousand doses of the vaccine reserved for use in pregnant women.
“Then we have no guarantee next week what we’re going to get,” he said.
The minister said the province has no choice but to restrict vaccinations while the vaccine is in short supply. He stressed that the new vaccination plan, which will be released Tuesday, will be strictly enforced.
Liepert has become a lightning rod for criticism over Alberta’s H1N1 immunization program, which has been plagued by long lineups in Edmonton and Calgary and virtually no vaccine in rural communities.
Liberal Opposition Leader David Swann repeated his call Monday for Liepert to resign.
“Thousands of the most vulnerable Albertans are still exposed to this virus and have no protection,” said Swann. “The minister has shown himself to be incapable of managing the system.”
But Liepert brushed off the criticism, telling the assembly that 400,000 vaccinations in one week is “an amazing accomplishment.”
Earlier in the day, Liepert was called to a hastily organized meeting with Premier Ed Stelmach to provide an update on the flu pandemic.
Stelmach cancelled events in Calgary to attend the meeting with Liepert and Dr. Andre Corriveau, Alberta’s chief medical health officer, several other cabinet ministers and senior bureaucrats.
Corriveau defended the initial decision not to place restrictions on the vaccinations to ensure that high-risk people were given priority.
“It was a strategy we felt was respectful of people, but over the weekend we realized we had to adjust that strategy,” he said. “And I think every province is doing the same.”
In Calgary, the head of the government agency in charge of rolling out the vaccine said he won’t apologize for the decisions made early on.
Stephen Duckett, president of Alberta Health Services, told reporters that offering the vaccine to everyone means fewer people will be able to spread the virus.
“So I’m not going to stand back and say, ‘Look, I’m sorry we vaccinated 370,000 people.’ I think that’s a good achievement.”
Duckett said it was more efficient at first to vaccinate everyone because no time was wasted by screening everyone to make sure they were really at higher risk of complications.
He said it also kept “line rage” from developing in people who accompanied high-risk friends of family members for hours only to be refused the vaccine themselves.
The decision also helped protect people’s privacy because people with chronic illnesses that may not be visible were not forced to prove their need for the vaccine in a very public forum.
Without the slowdown in supply and an unanticipated spike in demand, the government would have been able to keep up that policy, he said.
Liepert said the large number of vaccinations already given will also help reduce the number of people forced to seek hospital treatment.
An Alberta Health Services flu plan released last month predicted that up to 11,000 Albertans will be hospitalized after becoming infected with H1N1.
Corriveau said Alberta has been moving quickly to vaccinate people in high-risk groups.
“We’ve done a lot of the priority groups, like most of the health care workers and a large portion of the aboriginal community, in the north especially,” he said.
So far, 14 people have died in Alberta after contracting swine flu and nearly 300 people have been hospitalized. | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 5:31:54 AM |
just cuz it's in print doesn't mean it's true.
Perhaps not, but (in Canada, at least) if it's in print it's likely to be closer to the truth than anything you'll read by listening to, or reading, others' so-called "expert opinions" in chat rooms like POF.
Plus, the "rags" aren't reporting 14 deaths in Alberta due to Swine Flu. The "rags" are blaming it all on aliens!! | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 7:03:18 AM | Prove to me that there are 14 actual deaths due to the swine flu in Alberta - it's bullsshitt - BAD NEWS SELLS NEWSPAPERS...you better than anyone should know that Golf.
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Posted: 11/3/2009 7:58:24 AM | | I know for a fact about two H1N1 deaths over the weekend that were not reported in the news. I cannot prove it however, as that would breach FOIP. I am wondering how many truly have died now that I know only one of three deaths this past weekend was reported. | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 8:29:10 AM |
Prove to me that there are 14 actual deaths due to the swine flu in Alberta - it's bullsshitt - BAD NEWS SELLS NEWSPAPERS...you better than anyone should know that Golf.
You want proof? How about checking out the Government of Alberta Health and Wellness website ... http://www.health.alberta.ca/health-info/influenza-H1N1-cases.html
It's right there on the page. Total number of deaths to date IN ALBERTA: 14
Is that proof enough for you?
It's the same web site used by all the media and available to every person with a computer. You people who think the print media just pull numbers out of thin air to sell papers are, quite frankly, stupid.
Just sayin!
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Posted: 11/3/2009 10:22:39 AM | well i think she means prove the person died of the flu, not of underlying or other causes related due to getting the flu
my dad died a few months ago , apparently he had the flu , however he died of a massive heart attack. but theres no doubt that hi flu symptoms had some impact on him having a heart attack due to the restrictions in his lungs and hard time breathing etc flu symptoms
i don think they added him to the flu death charts tho.
really tho , i dont think we will lose any sleep if another 20 or 30 thousand people die of h1n1, unless of course they are relations or family, i know i have never cared about how many people die in the news , its all redundant to me .more peole die of alcohol abuse evey year,i dont see any tears being shed or alcohol vacinations being putout to save lives from an easily preventable disease. so why worry about onewe have no real way of preventing. the vaccination after all people........... is not a guarantee in any way.
you can still get the flu and transmit in to others so whats the big hype about in gettin vaccinated, | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 11:04:08 AM | @ TRBL, sorry 'bout your Dad.
The only case I've heard of this strain killing anyone alone was the 13 year old TO boy...but then again, how do we really know he didn't have underlying medical issues, perhaps he had a heart defect that wasn't detected by doctors.
H1N1 isn't the ebola virus Golf, it's another strain of a flu. I'm no medical scientist by any means, and don't claim to know squat about this flu - but I do know that the flu doesn't kill, complications in having it kills!!!
Holy Golf, you sure git yer peckker in a knot when someone disses the newspapers! Pretty easy life as a reporter in GP when you can copy and paste your info from Government of Alberta websites.....no investigative reporting there hey!!
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Posted: 11/3/2009 11:43:42 AM | 14 people have died "with" the H1N1 virus
thats accurate
i think it was the terminology that was distressing, and leading people to assume other things
they didnt die of the flu , they died while they had the flu
there isnt any mention tho of underlying illness or things that might take the hype off this version of the flu .
and no prob golf ,people die , its the natural end to our existance. it bothered me for alil while y dads death , but im gettin past it . as we will all be forced to at some point in all our lives. | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 12:58:55 PM |
It has nothing to do with investigative reporting. It has to do with me not being a frikkin coroner, so I have to accept what an EXPERT deems as the truth. The problem is, the experts don’t know what the truth is… the truth keeps changing because the criteria as to what constitutes a “flu related death” keeps changing.
Previous to 2003, between 500 and 1500 (depending on how you define flu related) Canadians died every year of the flu. Since 2004, between 700 and 2500 Canadians died of the flu, not because the flu virus is more prevalent, but because they changed criteria as to what constitutes “flu related”.
What we do know:
Swine flu first appeared in 1976, and a vaccine was available the same year. It’s nothing more than a mutation of the bird flu, which we’ve had a vaccine for since the early 60’s.
The death rate from influenza fluctuates but has remained fairly constant over the last 50 years. There is even some evidence that flu deaths for 2009 are less than 2007 and 2008.
There will be approximately 100 deaths from H1N1 in Canada for 2009, various other flu strains will kill 400+ Canadians.
All of which begs the question… Why is H1N1 such a big deal this year?
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Posted: 11/3/2009 1:44:42 PM | its a big deal because , certain drug companies wish to cash in on the fear that already exists due to recessions and higher unemployment, not to mention the ever dying remnants of bushes terrorism campaign in the middle east.
not to mention the collapsing us markets , the only way to prop them up , without it looking directly like a give away handout , is to buy 30 million doses of a cheap vaccine, at hiked up prices,and then accept kickbacks from the drug companies to hush everyone up. well not everyone , just the wealthy fear mongers and profiteersof human suffering .
the old addage " make them fight each other, and they wont notice whats really happening" comes to mind
fear is what keeps weak governments in power
prime examples are easy to see . just look at most of the us presidents that held office,
fear sells newspapers too. the only ones that lose when fear is used as a weapon , are the ones that foot the bill and are being oppressed by it, ie , the taxpayers.
but then , taxpayers have always been gullible, look at the gun registry brainstorm
id like to see a tally of the cost of these freaking vaccines and how much money is being siphoned off to perpetuate this silly flu fantasy | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 1:50:35 PM | amen TRBL....tell it like it is. I wasn't about to touch the subject and have to be the only one tarred on here....I'll follow you..lol
Too....(off topic) do you realize what would happen to the world's economy if they found a cure for cancer???? It'd be 10 times worse than we experienced this past year!
@ the guy above you - you're so right in that shiate reported by so called "EXPERTS" changes daily. | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 2:03:58 PM | Holy conspiracy theorists Batman (where's Batgirl when we need her??)
While the media may be irresponsible in their reporting and may drag out a story ad naseum (Michael Jackson anyone?) they aren't going to make stuff up. Misreport, get facts screwed up, not follow through properly - but it isn't often that stories are outright fabrications.
The new clinic guidelines and locations were announced today http://www.albertahealthservices.ca/939.asp
I'm going to hazard a guess that not many among us is pregnant or under the age of 5... just some of us act like it... | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 8:06:42 PM | Now people, relax.
Why not party like it's 1917?
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Posted: 11/3/2009 8:09:09 PM | I think we oughta cash in on the frenzy. Sit outside buildings peddling paper masks and surgical gloves.
PSSSSTTT! Wanna buy a shot of hand sanitizer? You should get these swim goggles as well in case someone sneezes near you! | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 7:12:35 PM | could prolly make a killing on food and hot beverages too.
Kleenex.....
lawn chairs?
and funeral planning/headstones | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 8:24:16 PM | | I now have super deluxe swine flu outfit to wear with clients with H1N1 flu. I did not have to gear up when working with AIDS patients in acute care like this. Good grief-it isn't anthrax or Ebola!!! | |
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