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Posted: 11/4/2009 8:24:17 PM | No one needs to draw lines in the sand...
We are cautious due to life experience. I would like to believe I can fall in love like a teenager because that is what my heart tells me I'm ready for. My brain on the other hand has been taken advantage of by men smart enough to get in my wallet. What does that tell me? Even though I'm dating a great guy I still need to exercise common sense like Mr. Levis
has done. It all sounds too good to be true in the beginning. I'm on this sex high of wanting it all the flippin time and it does cloud my otherwise sound reasoning. There are lots of women (and men) out there looking for a free ride. That's the truth and we all know it.
In the meantime I am going to enjoy my new bo and take things one day at a time. I will also BEWARE from past experience. I think that is all these guys are really saying... Please correct me if I am wrong... | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 9:45:39 PM |
But Levi....come on......this is the EASIEST thing in the entire world to AVOID......simply......DO NOT get married! Just draw the line and the sand and STICK TO IT!
Sweetheart, in my experience, thinking that one is above being fooled is the first weakness a scammer will take advantage of.
Some live charmed lives and never deal with scammers. Others are innately attuned to avoiding scammers. Some, perhaps most of us, are too trusting and get taken.
In addition, it doesn't take the level of "marriage" to get taken for a ride. I was taken for a ride (around $2000) from a drug addict. I tryed a variety of drugs when I was young, but grew out of them, thought everyone else did too. I was sure I could detect a druggie a mile away. My arrogance was my downfall.
Maybe it's simple for you to differeniate a user from the rest, but it might not be for another.
Other than learning to watch behavior over words, I've also learned is to NEVER believe I am above being fooled. As I've said, that arrogance is the first thing scammers play on.
And, yes. I've learned to stick to my guns. However, some of the younger people reading these threads could learn from us that have been there, done that. I sure wouldn't want another to go through what I have. Sincerely.
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Posted: 11/4/2009 10:03:46 PM |
Bottom line is a woman will either need you to take care of her or she won't - and a lot of men are trying to cross wires, and find a woman who takes care of herself but has all the free time in the world to cater to him. It's not possible to find a woman who's going to do both realistically.
This is very true! One of the reasons my marriage caved and I found it hard to juggle with my other LTRs for this very reason.
Thank goodness my man has similar hours as me. The "how much" are we seeing each other was the major obstacle to overcome. It was like a pendulum swing there for awhile. Too much or too little. His place...my place. Ugh! Now we have adjusted...and it feels good. He's over here 80% of the time and doesn't expect me to cater at all to him. In fact, he's over here making dinner in my kitchen most times when I come home. He likes my pots and pans...and my big wide flatscreen TV.
I kinda like this. I am keeping him. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 10:19:19 PM | Sheeesh..
Cater to yourself in your life.. take care of YOU
That being said.. when you CHOOSE to be with ME in your time-management schedule and want to be spending time in MUTUAL ENJOYMENT with each me...
Cater to ME!.. because you KNOW that I can OUT-cater you and will be catering MORE to you than you will be catering to ME.
Got that?? | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 10:36:40 PM | Bottom line is a woman will either need you to take care of her or she won't - and a lot of men are trying to cross wires, and find a woman who takes care of herself but has all the free time in the world to cater to him. It's not possible to find a woman who's going to do both realistically.
This may be the case for some, but it doesn't apply to me. Being independent means that you don't have all the free time in the world. I know this quite well, as I travel a lot with work. In the last two years, I've been away from home for 13 months, with work related business.
I am truly SICK of apologizing to "some" men because I chose a path other than "playing Victim"! If "those" men, don't have the 'nads" to suck it up and deal with it; then THEY deserve the gold diggers they get stuck with.
You don't have to apologize to anyone. If I were to start a relationship with a woman, who made more money than me, then I wouldn't have any problem with that. In such a situation, our combined incomes would make for a very financially stress free lifestyle. Why would I have a problem with that?
That is assuming that you do not have a child with a learning disabality, no not get sick or in an accident, do not have life kick you in the goonies. 'Cause when you get kicked in the goonies, if you have real ones, you get back up and brush your self off and sometimes have to start all over again.
You're right, life can throw horseshoes at you, but I can assure you of one horseshoe that I will be dodging: A dependent woman who sucks the bank account dry. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 4:43:22 AM | (Belle Lass) She has tried many times to talk to him and ask him why he is pulling this. He won't reply. She is more upset by the fact that a man lied to her.
Why? If she's reasonably certain he lied to her, she should just, in the words of Tony Soprano, "faggedabowdit".
I told her that she dodged a bullet and to forget him.
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Posted: 11/5/2009 4:47:54 AM | | Ask women upfront if they're goldigger- wow. That's a great strategy for a second date. And a harmonious future relationship. That's a very aggressive, hostile, angry question. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 6:25:00 AM | I've never said that exercising good sense isn't a good thing to do...ALWAYS; what I have said, is...that if you don't trust YOURSELF, and your own judgments...then DON'T! I think my grandparents implanted these little recordings inside my head....one says "When in doubt...DON'T" I know it's not PC to "make judgments"; and hey...is' Social Hari Kari not just blindly give everyone the "benefit of a doubt"; but...I do those things anyway.
Have I ever been taken as a sap??? Ohhhh, yet your sweet patootie I have; but I STILL TRUST....ME. We all make mistakes.... I just don't let them control my life.
WomaninProgress and Savona just gave everyone, young and old alike some really good advice on how to START the process or learning to trust yourself. SAY IT UP FRONT. Too often, people want to start in the middle and work their way toward both ends.
Admittedly, I believe that "traditional marriage" is a scam that employs emotional blackmail to keep people participating in it. It's a "romantic ritual" gone bad; yet most people cling to the ideal that it (the ritual) has supernatural powers.
I sure wouldn't want another to go through what I have. It's arrogant to assume that anyone else is going to learn from your mistakes. People have to make their OWN mistakes; as they're "arrogant" as well. Tell me anyone you know how doesn't think they can "beat the odds" when it comes to matters of the heart?
THAT is exactly WHY people considering any kind of "partnership" should have the GOOD SENSE to draw up the terms of that partnership based not on that "love" that they feel at that moment....but based on how they're going to feel about that "partnership", and it's terms when they NO LONGER fell the "love".
It's all very "romantic" to say...."ohhh, I just can't IMAGINE a time when I'm not going to love you"...but the practical realities ARE...that it could very well happen! What if you had say....a dentist that you just "loved"...for 10 years he did his job well, you were pleased with the care he took of your child's teeth....then over a period of a couple years...he starts making mistakes.....costly...PAINFUL mistakes. Do you STILL "love" him.....are you STILL going to keep taking your business to him.....or are you going to get out your phone book and start looking for a new dentist?
"Marriage" is the ONLY business partnership I know where the partners can either one...at any time....STOP doing the JOB....and expect to KEEP getting PAID. You can't just fire them....and even when you do (divorce)..... ONE of them fully expects to KEEP GETTING PAID. It's outrageous! "No Fault" divorce is the biggest perpetrator of the "gold-diggers". When that law was implemented.....it made a complete farce of "marriage". I decided long ago...LONG, LONG ago...that any "union" I would ever enter into would be a legal "partnership", clearly spelled out.....point by stinking point!!!! From who pays what....and how "loans" or drawing from "equity" in the partnership will work, to how often we have sex, and to what goes into the "partnership" and what remains under the personal (non-touchable) assets of each individual.
Anyone who says that they "can't" have emotions if there's ever been an logic applied to the "union" is liar who's looking for a loophole to get something they haven't earned!
Cater to ME!.. because you KNOW that I can OUT-cater you and will be catering MORE to you than you will be catering to ME. This is the attitude that those "romantic unions" SHOULD have!!! You cannot GET to this level as long as those "nasty" little financial questions have NOT been spelled out and settled! It's all quite simple...to ME.....Business and Romance just do NOT mix.....I prefer to the the former out of the way so I can fully concentrate on the latter!
This may be the case for some, but it doesn't apply to me. Being independent means that you don't have all the free time in the world. I know this quite well, as I travel a lot with work. In the last two years, I've been away from home for 13 months, with work related business. Anyone who doesn't respect a persons "work" (the means by which the earn money) neither respects that person....or the value of what that work provides.
You don't have to apologize to anyone. If I were to start a relationship with a woman, who made more money than me, then I wouldn't have any problem with that. In such a situation, our combined incomes would make for a very financially stress free lifestyle. Why would I have a problem with that? Ohhhh, believe me...I DON'T apologize for it....but many men expect me to! YOU have a most sensible approach to it! Combined incomes make for a financially stress free lifestyle. The KEY is to FIRST determining the kind of lifestyle you jointly want to have; then outlining what you have to do to get there.
So very often however, a couple will choose a lifestyle which puts an unrealistic burden on just 1 partner. In this case, a "husband" who has to travel and be away from home that much in order to provide that lifestyle runs the risk of having a "wife" who condemns him for not showing the family enough attention. How often does it occur to EITHER of them...that IF she also worked...then he could take a job that paid less, but that allowed HIM to be a real part of the family? We certainly don't have much tolerance for that kind of reasoning when you have a couple who insists that he's supposed to provide all the income. Until we get rid of that kind of "stinkin thinkin" men will continue to call women golddiggers and women will continue to declare that men care more about money than they do their families. In my mind....they're both EQUALLY screwed up! | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 7:47:28 AM | I'd like to add that monsters don't wear signs and all, but they make plenty of noise when their dates don't go as expected.
Sometimes all you have to do is pick up the tab but take them somewhere inexpensive or bring up splitting the bill to get a reaction. Most women who are accustomed to men splurging on them won't seriously consider a guy who doesn't offer it (just flip through some of these threads). That said - I don't knock these women, but if a man isn't into that sort of thing, it's not hard to get a woman to change her mind about a date or make a comment based on something she won't put up with.
This may be the case for some, but it doesn't apply to me. Being independent means that you don't have all the free time in the world. I know this quite well, as I travel a lot with work. In the last two years, I've been away from home for 13 months, with work related business.
Ok so you're ok with a woman also having a busy life and needing to fit you in where she's got free time. That's fair. There are men out there who will work 90 hours a week and complain that a girl he's dating with the same schedule can't drop everything when he's free to do something. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 8:06:36 AM | | i vote that grandmabooboo and teenwolf get together...they sound to me like the perfect match....you two kids have fun...you see ,, teenwolf,, i told you there was someone out there for you.... | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 8:17:37 AM | BooBoo makes a good analogy:
" What if you had say....a dentist that you just "loved"...for 10 years he did his job well, you were pleased with the care he took of your child's teeth....then over a period of a couple years...he starts making mistakes.....costly...PAINFUL mistakes. Do you STILL "love" him.....are you STILL going to keep taking your business to him.....or are you going to get out your phone book and start looking for a new dentist?"
Finally a woman sees that to a man.. marriage CAN be like going to that dentist.
First, at the beginning.. you are smiling and all happy. She is cleaning your clock and is like that little hook thing in your mouth sucking you dry so you dont DROOL from happiness.
But then.. like all women, they just cant leave well enough alone and starts suggesting BRACES to "clean you up nicely" and exercise that "Change his teeth to how I want to arrange the furniture" gene. OW OW OW as everything starts to shift in your mouth
(ever notice how braces resemble prison cell bars - but I digress)
But then.. she starts "drilling DEEP" I mean.. way into your wallet like a ROOT CANAL OW OW OW.. there goes my retirement.. there goes my 401K.. and dang.. I'm not smiling at much any more and it sure seems like she wiped that smile right off my face too. Havent had a good smile in weeks.. something about having headaches at night.
However, the drilling never stops.. and uh oh.. here comes some guy in a suit with a LEGAL pad in his hands.. with no anesthetic
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I also know that many posters need to develop a sense of humor and get better reading comprehension skills.. First class.. Inferring humor as it was intended. Irony101 | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 8:28:20 AM | My suggestion for young people is going to change their life direction first while learning to argue about money from older people. They should set a goal to let them never worry about money and never argue about money. Those older people who always worry about money and argue about money lack an ability to build a good quality of their lives. Young people shouldn't learn from them.
When one looks for sex, he/she who argues about money is lousy. When one looks for his/her so-called love, he/she who argues about money is lowering him/herself. If one has money and is confident about his/her brain, he/she never worries about gold diggers and won't worry about "who pays". Love is mutual with a kind of very strong sentiment. One can't receive this kind of feeling from a gold digger if he/she uses his/her brain to control his/her life. When one uses his/her low body to control his/her life, what he/she can do is worring about money and complaining others with his/her lifetime. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 8:32:47 AM |
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That makes one of you.
LIKE ALL MEN*, KindMan assumes that this "change for me" thing is a feminine-based flaw. But what he doesn't do is date men--if he did, he'd realize men also try to "change" their partners. Why, just right here on good ole PoF you can find instances where men say they tell their GFs to lose weight, wear more "feminine" clothing, shave "down there", etc. (ha ha notice how they're all looks-related?!)
Truth of the matter is, when you get in a relationship, it will be rare if "adjustments" didn't HAVE to be made. When you get more and more serious--heading into "marriage" territory--the ante IS upped. A lot of what I can put up with in a fling is NOT acceptable in a long termer (for eg, being late all the time). A lot of what I can put up with someone who doesn't live with me turns into a bigger deal when he lives with me (for eg, picking up his socks). It's not even REASONABLE or RATIONAL to think that some compromise will not have to be made when you start living with another human being.
*j/k used it to emphasize his use of it | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 8:39:01 AM | what he doesn't do is date men--if he did, he'd realize men also try to "change" their partners. Why, just right here on good ole PoF you can find instances
The "what's the point?" thread comes to mind - where men are telling the poster that she should know men go for attraction and pursue even if there are no common interests or mindsets. As one poster put it "attraction is the bottom line, all else can be dealt with later". Sounds like the perfect setting for expecting change to me.
Yep, men do try to change women - the most common thing is expecting to be the guy that she decides to drop everything else for. Many men are attracted to women with lives but baffled when once he starts dating her she continues to have one. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 8:56:13 AM | you can find instances where men say they tell their GFs to lose weight, wear more "feminine" clothing, shave "down there", I guess my only comment for that is; that G/Fs shouldn't HAVE to be told those things. Kind of a no brainer huh? Most people just realize that those things NEED done...and do them without having to be "told".
Truth of the matter is, when you get in a relationship, it will be rare if "adjustments" didn't HAVE to be made. When you get more and more serious--heading into "marriage" territory--the ante IS upped. A lot of what I can put up with in a fling is NOT acceptable in a long termer (for eg, being late all the time). A lot of what I can put up with someone who doesn't live with me turns into a bigger deal when he lives with me (for eg, picking up his socks). It's not even REASONABLE or RATIONAL to think that some compromise will not have to be made when you start living with another human being. Sounds to me as if someone thinks that you can expect "Truth" to grow from a pack of LIES!
If something is not going to be acceptable in a long term relationship....then it's a LIE to con the other person into believing that it would be. Actions speak louder than words; but then, I see that's also how many people rear their children these days. Poor little things...they spend 18 yrs being allowed to get away with murder....then suddenly, the second they turn 18...they're expected to act like adults. Too bad nobody cared enough to TEACH them how! If I dated someone for 2 years who was chronically late and I never SPOKE UP...and we got married (God forbid) and they were STILL late....WHO'S fault would that be? The "TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS"....that for 2 years I was being a LIAR. MyOh My....aren't we a pious bunch, deliberately conditioning others to disappoint us so that we'll have something to WHINE about once the ink is dry on the marriage certificate!!!! | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 5:28:42 PM |
BUT, both partners SHOULD be prepared to help each other out. This means working. Especially in this shitty economy, both partners should be prepared to work, because that is what is necessary these days to create any semblence of comfort.
If I understood verityone, teenwolf and some others correctly, they are not into helping each other. Their position, as I see it from their posts, is you take care of your stuff, and I will do the same for mine. They just need someone to spend some fun time with, and G-d forbid to have any responsibility except of for just themselves.
I wonder, what would they do if their "the same financial level" partner got into financial problems and couldn't afford the lifestyle they got used to? Dumped her and look for another one with the same financial capabilities as they have? | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 6:02:35 PM |
I sure wouldn't want another to go through what I have. It's arrogant to assume that anyone else is going to learn from your mistakes. People have to make their OWN mistakes; as they're "arrogant" as well. Tell me anyone you know how doesn't think they can "beat the odds" when it comes to matters of the heart?
Personally, I think it's a bit arrogant of you to assume that everyone else's experiences are the same as yours. I've learned from others mistakes and I'm certian I'm not that odd in doing so.
I gleemed a lot of wisdom from my Grandfather. Wisdom I believe help me avoid several common mistakes of youth.
I've witnessed friends jump quickly into marriage, only to find it was a huge mistake later on. I learned from that and have never rushed into marriage.
Hell, if a friend of mine is displeased with the set of tires he/she purchased, there's a real good chance I'm not gonna get a set.
I agree, you can't determine which mistakes others will make. Nor can anyone gaurentee advice will be heeded, but I don't consider it arrogant to believe some can learn from others mistakes.
Beating the odds? That's the last thing on my mind - I want the odds stacked in our (she and I) favor.
As per the original post (#1).
I wouldn't get along with a woman, nor anyone for that matter, that didn't take a large amount of pride in being self-reliant.
THings could change (injury/illness) and will change if we live long enough, that make us dependent. I took care if my Father the last 3 years of his life as he dwendled from Altzhimer's.
My innately self-reliant attitude is planning for the time that I might succumb to the same disease (it's heriditary).
To me, the whole "Love, Quality of life who pays" question is rather easily answered: look for someone who's words and actions show self-responsibility.
Of course, in application your mileage may vary.
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Posted: 11/6/2009 6:19:19 PM |
Sounds to me as if someone thinks that you can expect "Truth" to grow from a pack of LIES!
If something is not going to be acceptable in a long term relationship....then it's a LIE to con the other person into believing that it would be. Actions speak louder than words; but then, I see that's also how many people rear their children these days. Poor little things...they spend 18 yrs being allowed to get away with murder....then suddenly, the second they turn 18...they're expected to act like adults. Too bad nobody cared enough to TEACH them how! If I dated someone for 2 years who was chronically late and I never SPOKE UP...and we got married (God forbid) and they were STILL late....WHO'S fault would that be? The "TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS"....that for 2 years I was being a LIAR. MyOh My....aren't we a pious bunch, deliberately conditioning others to disappoint us so that we'll have something to WHINE about once the ink is dry on the marriage certificate!!!!
How did THIS "dating for two years" scenario come from MY post (about a fling?)? A lot of the time, the way someone's words are interpreted say a LOT more about the person posting--Boo boo--than about me. You are often quite rude, I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you are here, too. But you totally misinterpreted and morphed what *I8 said into something that I didn't say at all. I am not a fan of yours. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 6:25:14 PM |
Men need to make it clear they won't do this if it bothers them, simple. My feeling is that if they are THAT against ever dating a woman who wants their money, they need to go in letting everyone know it ain't gonna happen.
Men who won't do this because they are afraid they'll get less dates aren't that freaking serious about it - which brings us back to the whining thing. It's being labeled as whining because it can be avoided, but usually isn't. Men who are serious won't care who doesn't like it - they'll see it as saving time and energy on women who don't match their interests, and they'll make it clear in profiles, or in early conversations. There's no gray area here.
Course they'll probably then come here and complain they don't get enough attention from the women they do date, but that's another thread.
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Posted: 11/6/2009 6:55:47 PM |
I have no idea how other guys can do that.. I flat out don't like a woman paying for me. I would rather sit home alone than be stuck in a spot of having those feelings again. It IMMEDIATELY tells me that he has NO regard for MY comfort level and would likely never consider that any feelings I have about any topic are valid or worthy of consideration.
Wrong. That should have told you that you are not compatible. He likes different type of women. No disrespect to your comfort level from him. | |
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Posted: 11/7/2009 7:13:34 AM |
(davidpiano0609) 0 percent of U.S. presidents and VPs are/have been women.
... and, who does 50% of the voting?
it's tough to make a case that women get the benefit of tradition.
Maybe in your world, but not in reality.
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Posted: 11/7/2009 7:15:57 AM |
(CassaGo) LIKE ALL MEN*, KindMan assumes that this "change for me" thing is a feminine-based flaw.
*j/k used it to emphasize his use of it
Men marry women hoping they won't change; women marry men hoping they can change them.
Both are destined to be disappointed...
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Posted: 11/7/2009 9:28:29 AM |
It went like this, if you cant provide for her why should she stay around.
It sounds more like a question rather than a statement.
But lets suppose it is a statement. It shows, via implication, that any woman, as that man probably believes, only stays and continues a relationship if and only if he provides for her - which to some extend implies that all women are prostitutes. And in my opinion, if that is the only criteria by which a woman decides to stay with a man, then she is indeed a prostitute in disguise. And if she has other criteria, but that particular one takes priority, then she is still a prostitute in disguise.
The interesting question is whether his claim is a delusion, or actually an accurate account of today's women's expectations. By "women's" I mean majority of women - 50% plus.
As sadly a statement as it sounds, I come to agree in many situations, men have no chance at a successful relation if they cant provide finances, stability, and other check lists many women have regarding essentials for a relationship.
Women have trained you well!
What sane person would want to be with another simply because the s/he can provide for the other? I would never agree to a relationship which is solely based on me providing for her even if I'm a billionaire. She can sweeten the deal with sex, but even then I would not agree to a relationship as it is a "prostitute-customer" type of business deal. There is something genuine (or sacred if you wish) about a relationship which cannot be bought, or sexed-up.
No woman would agree to a relationship which is based solely on her providing for a man - be it long term, or short term. Yet some men are happy to accept such a deal - which tells me they are partially insane, whipped. And they have to be since they are okay with providing for a woman but when it comes to making a donation to, say the Red Cross, they hold tight to their wallet.
What is your view on the topic?
Well the topic should have been "Love,Quality of life and who pays". I will comment on those...
It seems clear to me that a relationship should be formed based on love, and should last as long as the love persists. It is precisely because of this I find relationships based on "finances, money, status, etc.", just wrong, and the people who embark on such relationships, insane. Not because there is anything wrong with providing for another, but because they call it a "relationship" and believe "true love is involved".
Love and quality of life are to some extend linked. Genuine love makes life better.
Regarding who should pays is so simple that it escapes the minds of people. Here is the argument:
1) Single people pay for themselves. (When you go to the mall and buy something, you pull out your wallet.... you don't look to a stranger and say "Pay for me, will you?")
2) Dating people consider themselves single - for they certainty don't think dating=relationship. So, a man dating should pay for himself. And a woman dating should pay for herself.
3) In a relationship a man should pay for himself, and woman for herself, unless both agree to an expense ahead of time - in which case it becomes a "shared expense".
If a man wants a pool table, it should come out of his wallet, unless she too wants a pool table and agrees to pitch in half.
If a woman wants a boob job, it should comes out of her wallet, unless... in which case one tittie is his.
If a man and a woman want a house or children, etc., to which they both agreed, both share the expense - whether it is 50/50 or some other ratio should be discussed and agreed upon. | |
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Posted: 11/7/2009 11:18:07 AM | | I believe that society's values within the context of mating, have a long way to go to match the progress that's been made by women in the workplace. In a time when it takes two incomes to get by, I think it's irresponsible for anyone to cling to 50's era mating rituals regardless of your reasoning. Ladies, make sure that not only have you got money in your purse to cover your half of the bill, insist on doing so and it stands to reason that you will be treated fairly and like an equal in all you do. | |
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Posted: 11/7/2009 12:04:59 PM |
Love and quality of life are to some extend linked. Genuine love makes life better.
Agree! Love can generate money to share a better life. When two are in love, they won't waste time on the dating site and won't waste money to date around. Because they are in love and share a happy life together, they won't worry about "who pays" and will make efforts to reach their life goals. However, I still insist if one over 50 still worries about money and the quality of his life, he's creepy. He wasted his younger time but did nothing for himself to make him confident! | |
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