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Posted: 11/2/2009 8:54:21 AM | Here.. I'll help you. I'll use caps to highlight the issue.
your post is anti-women TO ME.
I'm not seeing how ME not wanting to be with a woman who NEEDS/WANTS that is a putdown to ALL women.
As far as women needing to birth children to feel womanly.. change that "womanly" to "complete" and you can find thread after thread.. women's magazine articles ad nauseum about the HIGH HIGH HIGH number of women who are now over 40 having pursued the "career path" who are CONSTANTLY lamenting not having had kids.
Now.. that doesnt even take into account the LARGE number of women in that over-40 group who LAMENT the HUGE age-pool of men 40 and over who are so so so so DONE with having kids.
Yew.. I am a voracious reader. I've also interviewed over 10,000 people of both genders over the years within the work I do. 10,000 is considered more than adequate for survey sampling.. etc. Almost ALL of my comments on these forums come from those people as a group.. I add to it the continuing commentary from so many on these forums too.
You remind me of the whole thing about "You're the exception, NOT the rule" explanation in "He's just not that into you"
A broken clock is right twice a day.. leaving 1338 times it is WRONG.
Yup.. Must be that one MINUTE that you are correct. Now for the next 12 hours.. we'll deal with reality
Edit: I just saw a reference to BOOBOO's comment.. I just HAVE to go there
"Well, it's time you realize that the BIGGEST reason that women traditionally got married in the first place....was to BE SUPPORTED financially. You really need to ask yourselves why you lament the bygone days of the 1950s"
Booboo.. you are absolutely right about the first part of that. The PROBLEM is that the new woman STILL expects that.. but FAILS to be the supportive wife to the man.
YES we long for the mentality of the 50's.. where we had a clean house, well raised kids, hot freshly cooked food, but most of all.. we long for
BEING RESPECTED AND APPRECIATED FOR HOW HARD WE WORKED TO PROVIDE IT ALL.
Look at TV at the time.. ALL of the male role models(except for Ralph Kramden) were generally respected by the women.. Look at the titles like "Father knows BEST" and the like.
Today.. we have Everybody love a wimpycastrated raymond. King of whippedqueens et al..
The LAST TV rendition that honored and respected the MAN as the HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD was.... drumroll please.. COSBY. ALL the rest of current TV is geared to women in the emasculation of the male role.
However.. the spousal support laws have NOT moved with the times of equality either.. You hear women say all the time when divorced:
"I'm gonna TAKE HIM FOR ALL HE'S GOT" Something you NEVER hear from men.
Yeah.. we long for the 50's.. to be loved, honored and respected.. and to be appreciated and admired for our accomplishments.. instead of being belittled for waking up with an erection and other instinctual male things | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 9:01:02 AM |
To MOST men a child is an 18 yr RESPONSIBILITY.
18 ? My son is 22 , and I'm still busting my butt , to get him through his 5th year of collage. SOMEBODY OWES ME 4 years ! ... 
Newsflash : Kids are a lifetime commitment. (or at least they should be!) | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 9:02:23 AM |
18 ? My son is 22 , and I'm still busting my butt , to get him through his 5th year of collage. SOMEBODY OWES ME 4 years ! ...
Newsflash : Kids are a lifetime commitment. (or at least they should be!)
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Posted: 11/2/2009 9:02:52 AM |
but that would make a man cheap and unattractive"
ONLY in the eyes of a GOLDDIGGER.
Are you saying that she is GOING to take my suggestion and use it as a TEST???
NOW she is a MANIPULATIVE Golddigger
1(un)kindman;
Will YOU sign a pre-nup if you find yourself loving a woman with a lot more money than you have? If you will not, is this ABSOLUTELY because you are a GOLDDIGGER? Or could there be another reason you would not sign?
Why does this issue have to degrade into gender-bashing?
As another poster said, and I'm paraphrasing: If you are out there looking for all the reasons a woman (or a man) is trying to take advantage of you, is a bad person, etc - that's what you are going to find.
We like what we like - we are allowed to. If a woman (or a man) wants to date "rich" people, be taken care of materially, etc., well - why not? There are partners available for that. If a man (or woman) only wants to be involved with extremely hot "arm candy" that might be several decades younger than they are - why not? If they find a partner willing to sign on for that role with them, then what do the rest of us care?
I'm sick of all the "golddigger" and "superficial men" bashing here. Go, golddiggers! Hang in there, guys looking for the Playmates! You all have nothing to do with me; we are on different paths entirely. May we ALL find the connections we seek, or at least LEARN from the seeking. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 9:13:21 AM |
MOST men are totally SURPRISED at the announcement that the woman they are with is pregnant. I'm talking about less than 15% were working on the PLAN of TRYING to make a kid. The others were sailing along believing in the regular taking of birth control.. and just not ready. It's the woman who decides when SHE is ready. Many times that decision is made WITHOUT PRIOR DISCUSSION OR CONSENT from the man.
1bitterman4u:
Unless you can cite your sources for this laughable statistic, I'm afraid I will have to call BS on this. I'm old as dirt and I have only known of a very few instances where this happened. Haha. Less than 15% of children have been born NOT as a result of trickery by evil women! Hee!
It is a fact, though, that women are ultimately in charge of whether they carry and give birth to a child. If a man wants more control in this arena (especially if he's having sexual intercourse with a woman who he believes is untrustworthy - why? who knows) why isn't he using condoms? Or having a vasectomy? Or not doing it in the first place?
Sociopaths exist but they are not all that common ... if you are having children that you did not want because the woman "tricked" you, I believe you probably got what you signed on for with that partner. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 9:16:32 AM | Ms Chaucer:
First, I debate ISSUES from the "Devils Advocate" position. NOT from any personal experience of my own necessarily. SOMETIMES my own experience enters into it, but most times it comes from a lengthy analysis of the dysfunction that contributes to the current dialog of the day.
I would sign one in a heartbeat. The issue that gets missed in all of this is the fact that for ALL of the equality that has evolved.. that women champion.. the divorce laws have NOT. It's the sense of ENTITLEMENT that comes out of women's mouths that hasnt moved with the times.
Edit.. I just saw all the CATTY remarks and name calling that you WOMEN are doing. Just make your point. If you cant argue the point INTELLECTUALLY without attempting to show a bitter, shrewish entitled self here.. Dont say anything.
Sheeesh.. name calling
Edit2: Yew.. if you were to go read through my posting history.. I CONSTANTLY tell both genders to think and decide with their HEAD.. not the fabled HEART.
On your reality 101 comment.. we are in total agreement. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 9:24:43 AM | What a great topic and thread. I'll get serious on this one...
I've been on the other end of the equation and been taken for a ride by men I have been with. It's not fun to find out people are with you for all the wrong reasons. The financial consequences last for many years along with the emotional distress and lack of trust toward worthy suitors.
As far as the go gold diggers comment I find it very disrespectful toward hard working people that try to share their resources with the people they choose to love. Love is love and when it is taken advantage of it does hurt no matter how much you have or don't have.
I choose the men I date for the qualities I seek in any friendship male or female. No one likes to be taken advantage of.
I've always pulled my own weight and never had a man support me. It would be nice to find a good man that will at least love me enough to want to meet me half way though. You may be tired of the gold digger bashing but you never had that shoe on your own foot. I don't bash anyone but that does not mean I don't like the things they choose to do. Far be it from me to pass judgment of any kind. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 9:39:54 AM |
Edit: I just saw a reference to BOOBOO's comment.. I just HAVE to go there
"Well, it's time you realize that the BIGGEST reason that women traditionally got married in the first place....was to BE SUPPORTED financially. You really need to ask yourselves why you lament the bygone days of the 1950s"
Booboo.. you are absolutely right about the first part of that. The PROBLEM is that the new woman STILL expects that.. but FAILS to be the supportive wife to the man.
YES we long for the mentality of the 50's.. where we had a clean house, well raised kids, hot freshly cooked food, but most of all.. we long for
BEING RESPECTED AND APPRECIATED FOR HOW HARD WE WORKED TO PROVIDE IT ALL. LOL! Hey, don't shoot ME dude.....I'm just the messenger!!!!
But, you are right....At least women did actually raise the kids and keep the house back then; and today's women expect men to work all day...AND come home and take an equal part in being a "housewife". But the fact STILL remains that the men who tend to complain about the inequity of that scenario, ARE the SAME who avoid working women like the plague, because they're "too independent".
Actually, I'm really on the "males side" in this issue.....EXCEPT when it comes to their double standards. I'm not husband hunting, looking for a paycheck/health insurance or anything else....so I really don't give a good rat's hindend; but hypocrisy is hypocrisy. I've encountered a lot of men....mostly in the past, who've commented that "they wish their wives were more like me".....which....was BS! It's always that "grass is greener on the other side" crap. Yeah, I went to work everyday, loved it....didn't fell as if I was shortchanged in life because I had to work....in fact; I probably wouldn't have "had" to work....my husband was even older than me...LOL! so, I guess he would have been ok if I'd decided to "stay home"....I just didn't WANT to. I'm happy that HE was OK with me wanting to work. I'm REALLY glad that he didn't get his jock strap in a snit because I made more money than him! And, the fact is....that he and I NEVER fought about money....LOL! we fought about sex! LOL! I wanted more....he wanted less....go figure!
But the point is; that ALONG with a woman who pulls her weight financially.....yeah...we're going to expect the SAME things that men want.....and DESERVE; like, respect, consideration, appreciation, etc. I've pretty much come to the conclusion that most men would rather "buy" these things with a support check...than they would to earn them in non monetary ways. I'm SO totally convinced of that, that I've stopped dating any man who has EVER been married to or in a long term relationship with a woman who has NOT worked. We simply have NOTHING in common....ie, they think I'm too independent because I pay my electric bill, and they think I'm too "masculine" because I can fix the lawnmower.
I really don't have a lot of sympathy for either gender. Men want women who want men who have money. Well, then when she's got your butt in divorce court....remember...she's the "feminine, old fashioned, stay at home mom that YOU wanted). Women want men who have money, but also want men who cater to their every whim, are the fun, outgoing, connected husbands and fathers they saw on TV (fantasy land)....because they've never worked for a living....and can't even begin to comprehend that to have money...>SOMEONE HAS TO WORK! Well, guys....how can you expect your "traditional" women to UNDERSTAND that work...is tiring! You don't feel like cooking dinner, doing the laundry, washing the dishes, diapering the baby, and playing catch with little Johnny AFTER you've already put in 10-12 hrs that day at the office???? BUT...it's what YOU WANT....the "little woman"....and it's what you GET....so stop ****ing about it! | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 9:52:57 AM |
The 1950's is well and truly over.
As soon as I see this cliche in anyone's post, i roll my eyes.
Soooo...what did men and women do in th 1900's, 1910's,1920's......in the 1800's....in the 1700's.....all the way back to time began?
Men were obviously providers and women looked after the disbursal of it. They made sure that the home fires were looked after, too. They also had children and tended to their needs.
My son is with someone who is cofused about women's roles in the 2000's.
She believes strongly in this:
He cooks meals.
He does laundry and vacuums.
He has 50/50 time with the kids as much as she does. Has to feed them, bathe them and put them to bed every night while she rests. On the weekends, his days off, he has to be with them continually so that she has time off.
He grocery shops.
All of this as soon as he comes home from his full-time job....45 hrs. a week most of the time.
Her? She doesn't have a job and wants to a full-time mom. But, being with kids all day is exhausting apparently.
Is this the 2000's??? I mean, that terrible 1950's is dead, (rolls my eyes!) but is this the way it's gone? If so, we are allowing a litter of lazy womrn to exist in the name of radical feminism.
I have kept my mouth shut as all good mother-in-laws should do, but I am ready to say something soon as my son is now getting fed up and demanding that she respect his role in the dynamics. That he also works full-time in a job that is very physical and he needs his downtime after work.
At least in the 1950's the woman worked just as hard as her husband, but in the home. She also gardened and provided the veg. and processed food for the family.
At least I did that when I was a stay-at-home mom and wife. My husband came home to relax and wan't made to do anything.He earned that. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 9:56:44 AM | WOO HOO GRANDMABOOBOO!!!!
I enjoyed your post. I get crap from men I date all the time for working on my own car, fixing the lawn mower, changing a breaker in the breaker box, and replacing my own gosh darn kitchen faucet!!! I was a single parent and had to figure these things out for myself. Now it's funny when someone tries to help me. Shoot both my daughters work on anything mechanical until they figure it out. They even know more than half my male friends!!! I got a kick out of your lawn mower comment... | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 10:14:54 AM |
She believes strongly in this:
He cooks meals.
He does laundry and vacuums.
He has 50/50 time with the kids as much as she does. Has to feed them, bathe them and put them to bed every night while she rests. On the weekends, his days off, he has to be with them continually so that she has time off.
He grocery shops.
All of this as soon as he comes home from his full-time job....45 hrs. a week most of the time.
Her? She doesn't have a job and wants to a full-time mom. But, being with kids all day is exhausting apparently. BINGO!!! That's EXACTLY what they want....and men support it, because they think there's "security" in having a woman who needs to be "supported". LOL! They just haven't figured out YET...that it's NOT about "them"...it's about the amount of "support" they can provide....which; these women WILL get in divorce court...and them move onto the next sucker.
At least I did that when I was a stay-at-home mom and wife. My husband came home to relax and wan't made to do anything.He earned that. EXACTLY RIGHT Belle Lass! That was "your job"....to make sure that when HE came home from work, the house was ALREADY clean, the kids were taken care of, their dinners were cooked and HE COULD relax and enjoy what he was "paying for". I don't mean that to sound "derogatory" in any way....but it was in fact what he was "supporting"..... or "his reward" for going to work every day. And THAT Ladies and Gentlemen.....is what real "homemakers" DID. Not this crap we see today, where women claim the "title", but FAIL to do ANY of the WORK! And MEN...don't deny that YOU support this 2000 woman nonsense! I know you DO! When you grow the "equipment" to tell that "stay at home mom" that she don't need no stinking car keys....cause she just "stays at home".....THEN you come back here and whine to us. When she has the house clean and the kiddies squared away and dinner on the table, THEN she might get to borrow YOUR car to go to her sister's Tupperware party.
I'll stand up for YOU against these "entitlement sisters"....you bet I will.....in a heartbeat....because your DADS did for me when I wanted to work and contribute to my family's financial well being....but FIRST....you need to stand up for YOURSELVES and stop whining about being taken advantage of when it's you yourselves who are begging for it by dating these worthless excuses of "femininity". | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 10:21:18 AM |
Is this the 2000's??? I mean, that terrible 1950's is dead, (rolls my eyes!) but is this the way it's gone? If so, we are allowing a litter of lazy womrn to exist in the name of radical feminism.
That's the issue on many threads here...*some* women who want their cake and eat it too. *Some* men are like it too, but in the context of homemakers, I know of no man that is a stay-at-home dad and acts like this, but I know several women like it.
Not this crap we see today, where women claim the "title", but FAIL to do ANY of the WORK! And MEN...don't deny that YOU support this 2000 woman nonsense! I know you DO!
I will support a woman like this the day hell freezes over! | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 10:35:05 AM | | Ahhh...the good old "who pays" theme yet again. If men stopped throwing material things at certain women who expect material things in order to have a relationship to begin with, it wouldn't escalate further. If you figure that paying a woman's way is about the only way you can catch one and keep one, you pretty much get what you get and I'm not about to feel sorry for you. You're attracting women based on what signals you're giving out...then you complain when you've caught that type of woman expecting they're going to stick around when you stop putting the bait out there. So, you get angry when it becomes an expectation after you've set yourself up for that situation, you break up with that sort of individual or divorce them, then throw yourself out in the dating scene again and repeat the process of attracting those same type of women in a materialistic way. Wash, rinse, repeat. Then because your methods haven't changed, suddenly you paint all women with the same brush and cry the blues that they're all out for material gain or need to be looked after. Be a bit more discerning to begin with about not only who you are attracting but about how you go about attracting them, otherwise you're the one to blame. If you were more concerned about impressing women with your personality instead of your pocketbook, you'd be getting more women who are interested in your personality rather than your pocketbook. Go figure. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 10:42:39 AM | well, guess what? the extent to which this happens to men is pretty much the same extent to which it happens to women because they can't meet the youth, beauty, and other check lists many men have regarding essentials for a relationship. it's our genetic imperative to make sure you're a good and reliable provider, and it's yours to make sure we're the most suitable vesssel for your capable seed.
Bringing up the hackneyed grade 9 anthropology conjecture as a basis for being "money centric" is a joke.
If you used that as a basis for explaining why a pre historic female would want a bigger, taller male, would be for protection, or to ensure her offspring would also be big and strong, that would be a decent thesis.
But in the context of the modern dating world, there is nothing analogous between being superficial and being materialistic. One doesn't exploit someone else's "looks".
Women can be every bit as superficial as men. But when it comes to discriminating who they're going to date, based on what lifestyle they can benefit from, women trump men exponentially in this regard. Men don't look to be lavished upon and provided for. They don't seek financial gain.
for every man crying because he doesn't have the material goods to make dating easy, there is at least one other woman crying because she doesn't have the physical goods to make it easy.
Another strawman, and projecting.
You're assuming that anyone who thinks negatively about a materialistic woman is doing so because he doesn't have the bucks.
Fallacy.
You would have been better off if you made the analogy that for every guy with wealth crying about wanting someone to look beyond his wealth, and at his character, there is a attractive woman crying about wanting someone to look beyond her physical beauty at her character.
But you were obviously more interested in taking a dig...
the things that make us attractive to the opposite sex are largely subconscious, primal urges,
So, the attraction to a man and his Platinum card is largely subconscious and primal?
I'm sure Gucci and Prada would love to get their hands on that study...
dumbest common denominator. because more than we're willing to admit, humanity is largely a collection of naked apes in suits. when it was discovered that bill clinton (alpha male) played the saxophone, a million lesser males all over the country were displayed in television sound bites, playing saxophones. monkey see/monkey do.
Number one, I haven't seen any evidence of "millions" of "lesser" men running out and trying to impress with their "saxophone" skills.
Number 2, playing an instrument is a talent and skill.
But I do see much evidence of millions of "lesser" women who ran out and got botox, lipo, and breast implants after Pamela Anderson was "revealed" on Baywatch... 
LMAO. and so it goes.
The truth is comical, isn't it?
So while money shouldn't matter... it does
Of course money matters. That's the whole point.
Those who have sacrificed and worked hard for it, have done it with an understanding of assets and liabilities.
A person who is looking to inherit, benefit from, or exploit your wealth is a liability, not an asset.
Someone preferring you for your "wealth", is doing so with "their" best interest at the forefront, not "yours".
"You" are secondary to what "you" provide.
I doubt that women are looking for someone who is financially "dependent" on them.
I'm sure would they feel every bit as financially "exploited", and be as "turned off" by anyone who had the expectation of being "provided" for.
But, once again, the double standard of women expecting something they're not willing to provide, rears it's sexist head....
Another "scam"....
Like the Mastercard commercial:
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Posted: 11/2/2009 11:08:30 AM | | I am starting to get paranoid about dating men. So know I have to starting worring if he think I just want him for his money. Is this crap ever gonna stop??? | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 11:31:42 AM | ^ Have you seen the thread where women are labeled selfish and narcissistic because of their anatomical differences yet?
And where (some) men see making love with a woman as "hard work" and a chore?
Paranoid?
Ha!
Love,Quality of life and who pays
Convoluted title for a convoluted message (in my opinion) but in a nutshell, I believe that (most) people reap what they sow.
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Posted: 11/2/2009 11:43:16 AM | Like really who cares.. I don't want to date an unemployed woman either.
In todays day and age, for many it takes 2 incomes.
No matter whose foot it falls.. no-one wants to be with someone sitting in their butts.
Yea I know.. someone is going to say their disabled, someone is going to say their pregnant.. Save it.. we're not talking about you.
Go out .. get a job.. get a life.. just then you might have something interesting to share with somone. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 12:02:10 PM | I'm not going to read this because I know the usual suspects will chime in about how evil women are and how long-suffering and noble men are, and then I'll get all pissed off all over again, always at the same posters.
I realize there are some that have inner fortatude and dont succume to that, but I cant help realizing that many bypass what they value as meaningful to a succesful relationship.
And JUST by this statement you show your cards. Women who choose a LTR based on characteristics WHICH INCLUDE but are RARELY LIMITED TO finances are, by your own statement, lacking in "inner fortitude", for some reason.
Anyway, here's my take:
Women have choices. If we don't like a man for any reason, there will most likely be another man coming along. Normal men see this and say, "Dang, women are fickle!" Super-hott or super-rich (or just super-confident) guys will say, "So what, there's always another hunny to come along." But, if you are just a below-average-in-any-way man (finances, looks, intelligence, personality), you do NOT have the same choices that women [or superior men] do, so you can't AFFORD to be as choosy as women are. So you think women are choosing crazy things to be picky over. But it works for most of us.
There is no reason to choose a dirt-poor guy over a reasonably financially stable guy. NO reason, except love. And love has a tendency to dry up when it's too hard over the long haul. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 12:05:10 PM |
The PROBLEM is that the new woman STILL expects that.. but FAILS to be the supportive wife to the man.
YES we long for the mentality of the 50's.. where we had a clean house, well raised kids, hot freshly cooked food, but most of all.. we long for
BEING RESPECTED AND APPRECIATED FOR HOW HARD WE WORKED TO PROVIDE IT ALL.
I actually agree with all of which you stated Kindman!
In actual fact women have been their own worse enemies by competing with men....only to reach the top and realize just how much they've lost along the way. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 12:17:23 PM | 
Crying purple pony piss for all the broke men on the FREE POF dating site who think all the women on here want all their money .... Yeaaaa us dirty gold diggers.
We already know the truth, sometime during the "women's movement" men lost IT. What ever IT was that real men seemed to have. Confidence, pride, solid work ethics. All I see now of many if not most men on POF is that they are just plain broke. (Not to be poking in anyone directing, especially if you are bald and divorced)
Yea broke men. Scared that women want what they just plain haven't got and so cry boo hoo over women not dating them because they don't make enough money .... Hey try making just a bit of money. Move the hell out of your mothers basement, tell me again how you are an "Entrepreneur" because you sell baseball cards on E-Bay. Ohhhh come on lets hear another story how your X took all your money and so now you have no life. Now you are shaking your piggy bank and worried that the women on here are gold digging for your chump change.
The truth is most women on here probably have more solid jobs than the men, have more liquid cash for an emergency, and have plain all round better lives that the effeminate men who continuously post about pre-nups and women wanting free dinners. What are you pre nupping about really ??? I doubt most of you can even afford to get a pre-nup drafted by a lawyer let alone know how to divide your no home, no cash, no retirement ... It's ALL buillshiit cause you don't really have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.
Most men I know in real life who are successful are NOT on this free dating site. The odd one might stroll on here for a couple of months, but they can't be bothered to waste their time being on line. Most successful men are dating in THE REAL WORLD. Are there any men on here who actually know what that means?
Go out ... golf, go to shows, actually spend some money and step put of your mothers back door and see the real world around you. And yes that takes money .... not like being on a free site arguing about who the hell is going to buy the coffee.
So yea .... most men on this site are worried about being with a woman who is as broke as them and are then destined to be in the poor house for the rest of their lives.
Real life men ... hell they spend "the money", go on trips, meet real women in real life who can afford to do those things too ... and they are not shaking the pennies out of their little piggy bank to get up enough chump change to put enough gas in their shitty ass jalopies to go on a POF date and hide the hunk of junk around the corner ... 'cause the little lady sees you are just an unemployed bum.
Good luck with the gold digger posts ... most men in real life are laughing their asses off at the effeminate men who can't make a nickel and are counting on the women to pay their electric bill, or help them with first and last month to get out of mommies basement.
Enjoy the dump you live in, enjoy bragging about how money is not important to you, enjoy posting all day ... and enjoy the first of the month when you get your welfare cheque.
Most men on here aren't puzzie whipped, they are puzzie wishing ... wishing someone, anyone would date them and get them up to the next stage in life. Out of the basement appt.
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Posted: 11/2/2009 12:26:09 PM | Bless you my arabian angelface
Now to post my answers to the previous page
LOL! Hey, don't shoot ME dude.....I'm just the messenger!!!!
Booboo ( I feel like Yogi Bear when I type that.. HEEEEEEEEEEEY BOOBOO)
I am not shooting the messenger. I'm embracing you for demonstrating intelligence about this.
HUG the messenger.. just make sure the opposition sees that this messenger wears a DRESS (and I dont mean west-hollywood either)
I realize and accept that a LOT of men now have a double standard about certain things.. Frankly.. I tend to think it is the EFFECT of the cause and effect science.
These "Entitlement Sisters" as you've labeled them have MILITANTLY fought for their "equality" Now dont get me wrong here.. I BELIEVE in equal pay for equal work. When that "women's movement boardmember NOW economist" came out with the extensive study that showed when women work in the workplace, right out of school JUST LIKE A MAN, the differential is 2 cents. TWO CENTS DIFFERENCE in pay. He was summarily dismissed from N.O.W.
I also believe in equal opportunity. NOT the government sanctioned kind, but true OPPORTUNITY with NO obstacles, be it race or gender to be put in the way. HOWEVER.. it is KNOWN that a white male has virtually NO CHANCE of ever getting an SBA loan.. UNLESS it is a business in some downtrodden industry. WOMEN are getting PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT in business startup financing.
BooBoo.. the biggest problem with those "Entitlement Sisters" is that they WRONGLY embraced what they THOUGHT was the source of male strength in the dog-eat-dog competitive marketplace.. THEY thought it was ANGER needed to be TOUGH. They tossed out femininity to grasp that anger. They then placed that anger towards men and TOOK IT PERSONALLY when the men fought/pushed back.
They wanted it both ways.. Give me preference.. give me a greater-than-equal RIGHT to be here, because I am a woman.. NOT because I EARNED IT.
"Step back boys.. it's OUR turn"
But then they ALSO wanted to play what I call the "Cleavage Game" Such as.. Dressing to the 9's with cleavage, legs showing.. lipstick, hair and nails.. but then ACCUSE the men of being lechers cause we noticed.. THEY then went to court claiming an innocence in THEIR PARTICIPATION in that sexually charged workplace. Hell.. talk about waving a redflag in front of a bull.. then CRYING cause the bull charges.. And now I see on this site ALL the women who are asking how to approach co-workers.WTF? but I digress
There ARE men who willingly try to give the equality of respect, consideration, appreciation that women want. However.. I have said for eons
"Women INSPIRE men to CHERISH them"
You dont DEMAND that your man do more.. or DEMAND that he go south on you when you gave up BJ's on your wedding day.. you dont DEMAND that he go buy your feminine products that once you got married you CONVENIENTLY always run out of.. something you NEVER did when single. I mean.. Whether it is RIGHT or not for men to be embarrassed over it.. WE ARE. It IS teased about.. and considered UNMANLY for men to DO certain things that HAVE been the domain of women. And if you women dont LIKE that men STILL FEEL THIS WAY.. Well, talk to your mothers.. the HUGE number of single mothers who have raised their sons to be squeamish about it all. Go ask your own brothers who were raised during YOUR time growing up these last 40 postfeminist years how THEY feel about going through the checkout aisle with a jumbo pack of tampons. And then stop asking men to do it.
Now.. to the next poster who said:
"The 1950's is well and truly over"
Oh yeah? NOT in divorce court it isnt.. Over 95% of spousal maintenance and support is PAID by men. Hell.. he PAID when she was a spouse. Why is he paying a Not-a-spouse-any- longer?
Where's the "equality" in that? Especially if women have NOT been staying at home all their lives and DO have income earning skills. Marriage is NOT an annuity to pay you a return on your investment for life.
You want to be SUPPORTED as a spouse? Stay the F home and BE a spouse. Once you STOP.. the lifestyle of HIS wallet stops. Same as moving out of Daddy's home. Once you are ON YOUR OWN.. you DONT get the freedom and lifestyle that DADDY provided. And you arent ENTITLED to any inheritance either.. NEITHER gender is. but again I digress
Now on to Belle's WHIPPED son.
I admire you for NOT being that meddlesome mother-in-law. It's a little sad that she DIDNT meddle just a bit in the early days of his dating. I'd be willing to bet this shrewish "entitlement sister" demonstrated her attitude early on in the dating.
Belle.. there is NO confusion.. only a beaten-down-dog in your son.
He needs to "man up" and start TELLING her what he expects. He needs to also contact a lawyer about what will happen WHEN her entitled ass goes to cash in.. and frankly.. he needs to be ready to play dirty and hide money.. hide assets.. cancel credit cards the whole nine yards.. Sounds like your daughter-in-law is a piece of work
THEN he needs to file the papers.. ask for FULL custody (since he does ALL the home-maker work anyway), kick HER out of the CHILDREN's FAMILY HOME and get a restraining order.
He should also get support for her IMPUTED INCOME ( income AS IF she worked a 40 hour week)
You can step in to help with those grandbabies, help your son with his cojone recovery too
Nice to see you say that your husband EARNED all that you provided him.. Sounds like you were/are a good woman
then margo
Margo.. I have a 21 yr old daughter.. She knows power tools.. home remodeling, auto repair AND just has her dad's old-fashioned rennaisance-man approach to doing or knowing almost EVERYTHING in a do-it yourself way.. with an appreciation for skilled craftsmanship. I almost pity the man she eventually chooses whenever something breaks in their home.
then grandma again
"At least I did that when I was a stay-at-home mom and wife. My husband came home to relax and wan't made to do anything.He earned that.
EXACTLY RIGHT Belle Lass! That was "your job"....to make sure that when HE came home from work, the house was ALREADY clean, the kids were taken care of, their dinners were cooked and HE COULD relax and enjoy what he was "paying for". I don't mean that to sound "derogatory" in any way....but it was in fact what he was "supporting"..... or "his reward" for going to work every day. And THAT Ladies and Gentlemen.....is what real "homemakers" DID. Not this crap we see today, where women claim the "title", but FAIL to do ANY of the WORK! And MEN...don't deny that YOU support this 2000 woman nonsense! I know you DO! When you grow the "equipment" to tell that "stay at home mom" that she don't need no stinking car keys....cause she just "stays at home".....THEN you come back here and whine to us. When she has the house clean and the kiddies squared away and dinner on the table, THEN she might get to borrow YOUR car to go to her sister's Tupperware party.
I'll stand up for YOU against these "entitlement sisters"....you bet I will.....in a heartbeat....because your DADS did for me when I wanted to work and contribute to my family's financial well being....but FIRST....you need to stand up for YOURSELVES and stop whining about being taken advantage of when it's you yourselves who are begging for it by dating these worthless excuses of "femininity".
woo hoo.. Ms. boo boo I celebrate you.
but when I say it.. I'm anti-women.. a misogynist, or angry..
Ladies.. CHOOSE. CHOOSE what you want to be. Do you want to be cherished? Then EARN it. INSPIRE men to WANT to do it. BE feminine again.. as well as the new generation of overtly sexual
RE-learn the following.. Appreciation, Admiration, Acceptance ... season it with demure, coy, flirtatious, fun, funny, generous-in-spirit, genteel, and GRACE. You'll have your PICK of men.
Ya know.. women try to say we men are like dogs
Well.. You heard it here first from a MAN
WE ARE. We're loyal, playful, cum when called upon, We'll do the heavy lifting.. bring in the paper and slippers.. fight any invader to the death, even pee where you tell us to (as long as we can lift our leg to DO it)
ALL we want is that scratch behind the ear.. regular meals, something to drink.. and to allow us to hump your leg(or other places) when we get the urge.
Yeah.. I want to be a woman's dog.. Loyal to the core(just not that little in the purse fluffer of Paris Hilton.. gawd.. PLEASE.. not THAT dog)
Edit for the poster below
My gawd woman.. if you didnt SEE my own complexity within my post to know the dog comment was for humor..
Frankly.. I am 100% responsible for my lot in life. That's why I ENJOY my life so much.. I even enjoy any misery that comes my way.. cause I can CHOOSE to feel it, to wallow in it.. or go change it. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 12:46:41 PM | WE ARE. We're loyal, playful, cum when called upon, We'll do the heavy lifting.. bring in the paper and slippers.. fight any invader to the death, even pee where you tell us to (as long as we can lift our leg to DO it)
ALL we want is that scratch behind the ear.. regular meals, something to drink.. and to allow us to hump your leg(or other places) when we get the urge.
Yeah.. I want to be a woman's dog.. Loyal to the core
Cute. However, men are much more complex creatures than you give them credit for, even if you are one. You discredit them by inferring they only want the basics out of life and they're good to go. They are just as emotional as women but not as expressive about it. They want contentment, sure. So do women. This competition for superiority has got to go. Neither are better than the other and as soon as some of one gender stop thinking they have it over the other, that's when all the bashing will stop. Good luck with that though. There are to many people with inferiority complexes that insist on asserting themselves by bashing (which amounts to whining most times), instead of taking a good long hard look in the mirror and realizing they are at last 1/2 to blame for their lot in life. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 1:10:09 PM | It works both ways. It's 2009, not 1959. The old roles and expectations are just that, old.
I would not date a woman in a lesser financial situation, nor social situation. I don't care what she looks like or how good she is in bed. Times have changed. I will never financially support anyone. I'll be your partner, not your supporter. | |
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