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Posted: 11/2/2009 1:11:03 PM |
how evil women are and how long-suffering and noble men are
That would be gratuitous generalizing and just plain slanderous! Everybody knows that not ALL women are Eve-il.
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Posted: 11/2/2009 1:42:50 PM | I have read most of this thread but I just may think differently on many things touched upon within the various postings.
I think the main thing is how to think about money.
Aside from when the fed decides to stimulate by printing a big batch of bills most of the money is owned by someone. be it a company, government, or the people that live within one of those two enviroments.
From what I read several people think that having a job is making money. You are not making money when you are working for someone else. The money is already made and owned by someone else.
They are instead giving it to you not totally because you spent time at their factory, company, store, or resturant. Instead they are agreeing that you would be a person worthy of assisting in keeping the flow moving.
Example ...... When money is moving around like when you buy a new outfit, go out to eat, buy a new product etc the result is a balance of sorts. When the money takes a pause or stops moving is when people start having issues.
While it is moving likening the flow of money to that of a river it allows for people to see where the river flows and find a container of some kind to get a drink of it. AKA The start a business of some kind so that they can drink from the well.
That business owner will usually be smart enough to grab a bucket or barrel full of that flow as it passes by their doors so that they can have enough for themselves to drink from yet also enough to share with others that are willing to help them keep the bucket topped off.
Since most people do not know the locations that the rivers of flow travel through they instead need to work for someone that does know where the river is and has diverted some of its liguid flow to pass by their business in the form of a stream which allows their employees to gather it to be placed in their bucket or barrel or whatever they are using to gather the funds in.
In the 40's and 50's the women were the main consumers in the market place. But they wanted to find a way to have a drink from that big river of flow that was seen.
You can not bash on women for being smart enough to see a flow, getting thirsty, and desiring a drink from it.
So they created their own flowing systems. Started complete markets, and industries adding open buckets to catch flow in the very streams they spent adding to.
Buckets and barrels for them to share from started poping up all over the place resulting in many women going to work.
Generaly speaking at that time in history those opposed to women working assumed that the women would be taking the jobs away from the men.
While yes in some cases that has happened it is mostly recently that it has happened the majority of the women working was the result of women creating their own markets.
Fashion, cosmetics, personal service industries cattering to the softer side of life ;)
Complete untapped markets that that movement established to complete their end goal of equality.
The trouble is like said earlier... The majority of the money is already in the system so in order to utilize that money as rivers and streams passing by the places that women had built as containers that meant women had to discover way to get the money from one river to a totally new river of finacial fluidity that they were setup to stream from.
Ah the great birth of media which allowed anyone having enough in their containers to call out to others to keep the flow moving by purchasing their brands. The most sucessfull at it would be granted larger streams of flow to use to split into larger qty's of smaller streams AKA ability to hire more people to help gather up the money flowing by the businesses door step.
the problems are the gready ***holes that chose to build dams to stop a stream to try and build a lake.
Well just like water flow money flows the same way when that happens. the stream pressure increases as the level rises and eventually it creates enough back pressure to cause the water to stop flowing into that stream and instead stay contained within the rivers main flow to trickle down to a different stream that is not damned up.
in a nut shell....
true equality can never be found between the sexes untill the day that both sexes have equal amounts of main river flow to partake from.
It is not even close. 1 man has more money than almost all the fortunes amassed by women combined, and trust me women like Oprah out in the world are not exactly anywhere near a welfare line. so we are talking about HUGE rivers of monitary flow
And that is not even considering all the other men that also have large rivers of flow.
When you have that much volume the detriments of even stoping flow for a short while has enough power to dry up many of the streams feeding the buckets and barrels downstream from their main source. Which would also result in those smaller containers that the majority of the people are actully drinking from to start thinking of rationing.
We as a society of people already experienced that before and a lot of people died as a result.
It is still happening in other countries right this very moment.
So the topic is LOVE, Quality of life, and WHO pays.
LOVE....
What do you love in life? Because someone that knows this is well on the way to happiness. How much do you love it and do you love it enough to ensure its survivial?
Quality of Life....
Choose the quality of life you desire but be sure that you bucket, barrel, or persistant stream has sufficient flow to maintain that quality of life or it no longer seen as a quality and instead switches over to a burden of life.
Who pays....
Everyone downstream of you!!!!!!!!
If you are standing at the same river bank or tributary stream as others and you are closer to the source than they are that means whatever fluid you are filling your buckets and barrels with is that much less everyone else downstream will have avaialable to share. ( means everyone at the end of the stream trying to get a drink end up fighting over it because there is not enough volume left to sustain the amount of glasses being held out searching for a drink.
Bottom line.....
Don't blame the women for wanting to make sure their glasses have something in them to offer their thirsty children. It isn't the women holding the keys to the damn upstream. If the ***holes upstream will open the flow up to allow the rivers, streams, and tributaries to maintain higher levels of containment there would be less fighting over the last few trickles at the end.
Just my opinions. If it didn't make sense sorry it makes sense to me so i assumed maybe it may also make sense to someone else. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 1:46:10 PM | | I only glanced and it DIDNT make sense.. and was NOT germane to the whole post.. but thanks for sharing ECON for dummies | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 1:46:57 PM | 1kindman,
I'm very familiar with the book "Hes Just Not That Into You." I have read it 3 times. A very well written book, btw. Yes, I am an idealist, and maybe it is shining through when I say that most men do not see their own offspring as burdens. Even the statistics at the child support enforcement office do not persuade me to believe this. If it is a surprise to most men when they find out the wife is pregnant, I just don't know what to say to that either. If it is an unpleasant surprise, then he is just as responsible to help that not happen. He should keep his genes in his jeans so to speak. I have little to no sympathy for men who **** about this. I DO have sympathy for the ones who really are stuck with a lazy woman...and the same for women who have lazy husbands. Know the person real well, before you marry them. My marriage was not perfect. Far from. But I was never made to feel like me and the kids were burdens. That's because I worked hard as a Mom and took it seriously. Now, I have 3 adult children who make me so proud, it brings me to the brink of conceit. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 2:00:47 PM | Bringing up the hackneyed grade 9 anthropology conjecture as a basis for being "money centric" is a joke.
i disagree. how else would you explain the vast majority of men whose primary interest in a woman is "physical beauty", and the vast majority of women whose primary interest in men is their "assets"??
You're assuming that anyone who thinks negatively about a materialistic woman is doing so because he doesn't have the bucks.
Fallacy.
nope. you're merely making assumptions about my assumptions. why would you do that? because you have a gender-specific axe to grind?? nowhere did i utter the word "anyone" and nowhere did i even imply it. i'm painting in deliberately broad strokes, for sure. interestingly enough, half of your reaction to what i wrote actually supported the point i was making. conveniently for you though, it was only in the context of your apparently misogynistic, wounded male psyche tendencies. nice. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 2:13:25 PM |
THEY thought it was ANGER needed to be TOUGH. They tossed out femininity to grasp that anger. They then placed that anger towards men and TOOK IT PERSONALLY when the men fought/pushed back.
You make a lot of valid points Kindman....however it's only fair to look at the mistreatment women have suffered dating back even as far as the perpetuated mistreatment of the Catholic inquisition...How much did women suffer? They were branded all sorts of things from witches to disobedient whores that were punished if they God forbid voiced their opinions...Women, I believe have suffered more in history than any man could ever think of in this day and age. They were FORCED to suppress their feelings…...all of which could be the root of the anger you speak of. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 2:20:08 PM |
I only glanced and it DIDNT make sense.. and was NOT germane to the whole post.. but thanks for sharing ECON for dummies
Well maybe if more than a glance was done it might have been seen that it does have to do with the thread.
If someone can dip their glass in and pull out a full container while someone else is running around downstream collecting trickles the one with the full glass can spend more time drinking it since it was not as hard to collect.
I think that has everything to do with quality of life.
As for econ for dummies to some yes it may seem basic but even many that spout off about knowing how the econamy works still don't show it with their actions.
They will go to the store and complain about sales tax and then drive off and hit a pot hole and bytch that the town didn't fix it. Or they will buy something out of state from the internet and then complain that there are not enough cops patroling their neiborhoods protecting them from those who chose to take instead of earn.
Speak to the few morons that took econ 101 that think they got to world all figured out now and how monitary flow trully works just cause they saw a pie chart in a text book but have no way to relate those to real world senarios.
Econ class may show you what is happenening but it damn sure can not explain WHY it is happening.
My example was like a econ for dummies?????? I don't remember any Econ class able to explain to me why people choose to stay down at the end of the streams to fight with everyone else down there.
Not like there is anything blocking someone from moving further up the stream where there are less people and more volume of flow.
Just too lazy to walk upstream and instead would rather sit in the mud puddles at the end bytching that someone would try to dip their glass into their puddle.
NEWS FLASH!!!! Move your azz further upstream and you can use a big enough container capable of holding more than what you need to survive and it really is not that big of an issue if someone is thirsty needing a drink of what you collected.
Think that has everything to do with quality of life so how is it not germane to the post? | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 2:20:39 PM | Chameleon[[[Cute. However, men are much more complex creatures than you give them credit for, even if you are one. You discredit them by inferring they only want the basics out of life and they're good to go.]]]
Idunno Chameleon. I tend to think 1Kind is right about this. Chris Rock said he needs only 3 things: Feed me, **** me, and shut the **** up. " and he's happy. So, if Chris Rock says it..... | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 3:21:28 PM | | Money doesn't get old,fat and cranky so i guess women are smart in what they go after....long after what attracted a man to a woman is gone what attracted her to him is most of the time still there providing everything it always did.....yep women are just smarter i guess. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 3:32:58 PM |
I only glanced and it DIDNT make sense.. and was NOT germane to the whole post.. but thanks for sharing ECON for dummies LOL!!! Well, I read every single word...and promptly filed it under PBS (propaganda and bullsheet) | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 3:48:36 PM | | I will only date or get involved with someone who is able to provide for them self and their children. I expect my partner to be a partner not a provider. My carrer of choice will make it next to impossible to ever be rich but it shows my dept of character and that is so much more valuable than money. I look for the same in another. Depth of character not dept of pockets!! | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 3:55:02 PM | LOL!!! Well, I read every single word...and promptly filed it under PBS (propaganda and bullsheet)
I read it twice and derived the same conclusion. He talks of Marxism, not Economics 101.
Most men I know in real life who are successful are NOT on this free dating site. The odd one might stroll on here for a couple of months, but they can't be bothered to waste their time being on line. Most successful men are dating in THE REAL WORLD. Are there any men on here who actually know what that means?
If you hold such a negative view, why are you here?
One little car wreck and you are paralyzed for life. Why wait for that type of situation to understand that true love has nothing to do with money or earning it.
You're right, true love has nothing to do with money. However, try landing yourself a true mooch for true love and see how that works out for you.
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Posted: 11/2/2009 3:58:49 PM | | One little car wreck and you are paralyzed for life. Why wait for that type of situation to understand that true love has nothing to do with money or earning it. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 4:00:56 PM | Yea broke men. Scared that women want what they just plain haven't got and so cry boo hoo over women not dating them because they don't make enough money .... Hey try making just a bit of money. Move the hell out of your mothers basement, tell me again how you are an "Entrepreneur" because you sell baseball cards on E-Bay. Ohhhh come on lets hear another story how your X took all your money and so now you have no life. Now you are shaking your piggy bank and worried that the women on here are gold digging for your chump change.
The truth is most women on here probably have more solid jobs than the men, have more liquid cash for an emergency, and have plain all round better lives that the effeminate men who continuously post about pre-nups and women wanting free dinners. What are you pre nupping about really ??? I doubt most of you can even afford to get a pre-nup drafted by a lawyer let alone know how to divide your no home, no cash, no retirement ... It's ALL buillshiit cause you don't really have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of. Wooooo Hoooooo!!!! My new Shero!!! LOL!
That's right!!!! Of course I don't want to support a man...JUST LIKE....I don't want any man to support me! (financially) That makes us women, "independent" and "masculine"; therefore....that leaves you (men) only with the "gold-diggers" who are MORE than HAPPY to tell you how feminine and dependent they are.....as they leave you with no pot to piss in or window to throw it out of!!! LOL! And, like I said....you ever decide to grow some testicles and dump these lazy good for nothing excuses for women and we'll have your backs. That's right! We don't like those women any more than you guys do...but damn.....every time we try to tell you how bad you're getting shafted....all we hear is....."well....she cried really BIG ASS tears...so she MUST have been sincere!" Yeah, right!!! You want to see how sincere she is....tell her to get off her ass and get a job and pay 1/2 the mortgage payment!!!!
But for pity sake, stop bashing those of us who believe in TRUE equality when we're just trying to defend you for goodness sakes! If you want a "homemaker"....great, you know...that's a respectable job and worthy of praise.....but MAKE SURE you get one like BELLE LASS....a REAL one....who did her job; not one of these whiny 2009 types who thinks she should get paid and 3/4 the farm just for popping out a couple kids and hiring babysitters to raise them because they're busy at the gym.....then YOU have to come home after a day and work and do all THEIR work. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 4:02:34 PM | Strings[[[Money doesn't get old,fat and cranky so i guess women are smart in what they go after....long after what attracted a man to a woman is gone what attracted her to him is most of the time still there providing everything it always did.....yep women are just smarter i guess. ]]]
Honestly...I really don't know women who go after money. I have never met one. I do know alot of women, including myself, who will not date someone who is is in huge debt, unemployed, or any kind of financial irresponsibiity going on in their life. I'm 45, and have never personally met a woman who has said " He has to be rich." Yes, it is said in a joking manner. But not seriously.Not in my circle of friends, or acquaintances. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 4:09:25 PM |
I will only date or get involved with someone who is able to provide for them self and their children. I expect my partner to be a partner not a provider. My carrer of choice will make it next to impossible to ever be rich but it shows my dept of character and that is so much more valuable than money. I look for the same in another. Depth of character not dept of pockets!!
Good for you HappyHeart, I agree. That's midwestern values. Unfortunately, I don't see a lot of that mentality here on the left coast. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 4:09:58 PM |
Love,Quality of life and who pays
Love is based on the quality of life that have been created. Otherwise, if ones don't have the quality of life, they need to fill up their stomach first or wait for their luck... | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 4:11:04 PM | Honestly...I really don't know women who go after money. I have never met one. I do know alot of women, including myself, who will not date someone who is is in huge debt, unemployed, or any kind of financial irresponsibiity going on in their life. I'm 45, and have never personally met a woman who has said " He has to be rich." Yes, it is said in a joking manner. But not seriously.Not in my circle of friends, or acquaintances.
I agree. I don't hear women say that very often, but for some of them, their actions scream free loader. Actions are louder than words. I have two male friends that are currently in that situation. I would rather be single with Jack Handy, then support a free loader.
I will only date or get involved with someone who is able to provide for them self...
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Posted: 11/2/2009 4:13:15 PM | but you men ASK for this!!!
Uhhhh....don't think so...
If men wanted a woman “spender”, then logic would dictate to get the “best spender” possible.
When in reality, the most valuable woman would find ways of INCREASING a man’s already existing wealth. Not DECREASE it.
There’s very few of those. So we end up having “hire” those that increase our worth, and avoid those who would only decrease it.
You put your entire sense of self worth into how much money you earn...
Uhhhh......no. I earn so that I can retire early.
Oh, and get some cool stuff for myself along the way. That’s the reward for working hard, and being smart.
The truth is, I can dispose of my income without seeking out a “partner” to help me with that.
and you insist that women who earn a living are "masculine, independent" and not "old fashioned" enough for you.
Uhhhhh.....no.
Well, it's time you realize that the BIGGEST reason that women traditionally got married in the first place....was to BE SUPPORTED financially.
Uhhh...those days are in the past. Some of us never lived it, and have no interest in having a "homemaker" wife.
What you describe is like adopting a child. The thought of adopting a "wife", like I would a child, makes my skin crawl....
You really need to ask yourselves why you lament the bygone days of the 1950s.....and THEN turn right around and talk about how sad it is that women expect you to provide for the materially! It's BECAUSE....THOSE ARE THE WOMEN that YOU look for....and desire!
I think you're talking to a different generation than mine, or to men on a different planet...
Bringing up the hackneyed grade 9 anthropology conjecture as a basis for being "money centric" is a joke. i disagree. how else would you explain the vast majority of men whose primary interest in a woman is "physical beauty", and the vast majority of women whose primary interest in men is their "assets"??
I already covered that. Go back and re-read it.
i'm painting in deliberately broad strokes, for sure.
Ya don't say...
interestingly enough, half of your reaction to what i wrote actually supported the point i was making.
I don't support fallacies.
it was only in the context of your apparently misogynistic, wounded male psyche tendencies. nice.
There must be some pathological joy you and others would have if indeed I had a "wounded male psyche", which is quite disturbing, but not in the least bit shocking of some of your gender.
But I can assure you that what you deem as "my wounded psyche" is actually my joy and pleasure at having been able to avoid the types of women who do actual "damage" to men.
As far as your accusation of "misogyny", it's hardly accurate.
It's easy to ad hominem your way as a means to attempt to vilify and discredit someone.
My responses are in context of the OP, and also in context of your claim that women are of a "genetic imperative to make sure you're a good and reliable provider". And being that I've never seen or heard one male who thinks that it's up to a woman to "provide" for him, the logical, and objective (not misogynistic) conclusion to that is, by all accounts, is that it's a "female" behaviour to expect the male to allow access to his disposable income, and wealth.
However, I did still make the effort to speak in gender neutral terms, and made it mostly about the "human" and "individual" behaviour of being materialistic, and of displaying parasitic tendencies.
verityone : Of course money matters. That's the whole point.
Those who have sacrificed and worked hard for it, have done it with an understanding of assets and liabilities.
A person who is looking to inherit, benefit from, or exploit your wealth is a liability, not an asset.
Someone preferring you for your "wealth", is doing so with "their" best interest at the forefront, not "yours".
"You" are secondary to what "you" provide.
I doubt that women are looking for someone who is financially "dependent" on them.
I'm sure would they feel every bit as financially "exploited", and be as "turned off" by anyone who had the expectation of being "provided" for.
They want contentment, sure. So do women. This competition for superiority has got to go. Neither are better than the other and as soon as some of one gender stop thinking they have it over the other, that's when all the bashing will stop.
The topic is about the monetary "greed" some must have in order to feel content. Do you get that?
When the "bashing" will stop is when there are no more sexist double standards and wanting to be treated as "equal", and distinctly "underprivileged" at the same time.
Wanting to be treated, looked upon, and respected as an independent adult when it suits them, and then be treated, looked upon and behave like a dependent child when it benefits them.
You can't suck and blow at the same time.
Grow up, acknowledge it, and deal with it.
The gravy train is over.
And, like I said....you ever decide to grow some testicles and dump these lazy good for nothing excuses for women and we'll have your backs. That's right! We don't like those women any more than you guys do...
I think you're missing the plot here...
The men here are talking about, and how to avoid parasites.
I will only date or get involved with someone who is able to provide for them self and their children. I expect my partner to be a partner not a provider. My carrer of choice will make it next to impossible to ever be rich but it shows my dept of character and that is so much more valuable than money. I look for the same in another. Depth of character not dept of pockets!!
There are a few who do get it. Here's an example of what many men will trample over entitlement princesses and "materialistic" women for.... | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 4:14:33 PM |
Crying purple pony piss for all the broke men on the FREE POF dating site who think all the women on here want all their money .... Yeaaaa us dirty gold diggers.
We already know the truth, sometime during the "women's movement" men lost IT. What ever IT was that real men seemed to have. Confidence, pride, solid work ethics. All I see now of many if not most men on POF is that they are just plain broke. (Not to be poking in anyone directing, especially if you are bald and divorced)
Yea broke men. Scared that women want what they just plain haven't got and so cry boo hoo over women not dating them because they don't make enough money .... Hey try making just a bit of money. Move the hell out of your mothers basement, tell me again how you are an "Entrepreneur" because you sell baseball cards on E-Bay. Ohhhh come on lets hear another story how your X took all your money and so now you have no life. Now you are shaking your piggy bank and worried that the women on here are gold digging for your chump change.
The truth is most women on here probably have more solid jobs than the men, have more liquid cash for an emergency, and have plain all round better lives that the effeminate men who continuously post about pre-nups and women wanting free dinners. What are you pre nupping about really ??? I doubt most of you can even afford to get a pre-nup drafted by a lawyer let alone know how to divide your no home, no cash, no retirement ... It's ALL buillshiit cause you don't really have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.
Most men I know in real life who are successful are NOT on this free dating site. The odd one might stroll on here for a couple of months, but they can't be bothered to waste their time being on line. Most successful men are dating in THE REAL WORLD. Are there any men on here who actually know what that means?
Go out ... golf, go to shows, actually spend some money and step put of your mothers back door and see the real world around you. And yes that takes money .... not like being on a free site arguing about who the hell is going to buy the coffee.
So yea .... most men on this site are worried about being with a woman who is as broke as them and are then destined to be in the poor house for the rest of their lives.
Real life men ... hell they spend "the money", go on trips, meet real women in real life who can afford to do those things too ... and they are not shaking the pennies out of their little piggy bank to get up enough chump change to put enough gas in their shitty ass jalopies to go on a POF date and hide the hunk of junk around the corner ... 'cause the little lady sees you are just an unemployed bum.
Good luck with the gold digger posts ... most men in real life are laughing their asses off at the effeminate men who can't make a nickel and are counting on the women to pay their electric bill, or help them with first and last month to get out of mommies basement.
Enjoy the dump you live in, enjoy bragging about how money is not important to you, enjoy posting all day ... and enjoy the first of the month when you get your welfare cheque.
Most men on here aren't puzzie whipped, they are puzzie wishing ... wishing someone, anyone would date them and get them up to the next stage in life. Out of the basement appt.
Savona
Of course, most of the women on here are bitter harpies with a proclivity for penning vitriolic (and only vaguely coherent) rants about what losers all of the men are, so it's pretty much a wash for all parties involved. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 4:20:23 PM | | hi...OP, I feel like the overall view in your post is too extreme... for most decent women money is not the issue, a good job that can support 1-2 people or assets that can see them through these hards times is not asking the sun, moon and stars... most balanced women see a successful man as productive, smart, secure, blah blah, this is what is attractive... I have a good job with a decent income that would more than contribute to a marriage, I want the same from a man... in todays economy a lot of people have lost decent jobs that they held for yrs and yrs, women included, a good woman would be understanding of this yet ~even~ with a job loss there should be obvious indications that the man was successful in life prior to the global economy crash.... good women get it OP and a good woman wants a man with a good character, a character that includes being a hard worker who is willing to do what it takes to bounce back... blessings for balance and happiness | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 4:24:34 PM | I think you're talking to a different generation than mine, or to men on a different planet...
Mostly she's referring to men who complain about women who have no room for men in their lives in other threads - including the one where almost all of them admitted a woman in need is more attractive because it gives men a "needed" feeling, whatever that is.
There are threads where men claim that women who try to be like men aren't attractive...which I always find funny because I don't see any particular skill as being "like" a certain gender.
There are many men in this forum, therefore on this planet that have a problem with a woman who's got her self together "too much" - again, whatever that means.
Then there are the posts that basically blame women for ruining the family unit and straight out saying they should have stayed in the kitchen. Not all men feel this way, but they are out there.
Bottom line is a woman will either need you to take care of her or she won't - and a lot of men are trying to cross wires, and find a woman who takes care of herself but has all the free time in the world to cater to him. It's not possible to find a woman who's going to do both realistically.
As I mentioned earlier in this thread, the OP in another thread mentioned something to the effect that men will usually be drawn to women who need rescuing quicker because it appeals to their sense of wanting to fix things. *shrug* | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 4:55:48 PM | My job in a relationship not to pay someone elses bills whether I am just in a relationship pr married to the person.
My job is only to give love not financial support, a person that dismisses someone as not dateable because they can't contribute financially is shallow.
Someone who is going to judge you on finances are the kind of people that won't be there when things go really sour. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 5:03:02 PM |
The topic is about the monetary "greed" some must have in order to feel content. Do you get that?
The topic is about love, quality of life...and then the who pays crap, as per usual, overshadows everything else in just about every thread. The contentment I speak of has absolutely nothing to do with the financial side of things, but I see you just can't get around that and it always goes back to women using men for financial gain. I get it about both men and women who have certain expectations. I also get that there are hidden agendas - for both. As I said before, there are men who throw money around like a hook at the end of a line while they troll for women because something else about their personality or whatever is lacking. Then they get these sort of women in a full blown committed sort of relationship and cry the blues that the women are still expecting the same form of free loading showmanship that the men used to attract them with in the first place. The woman is obviously lazy, stupid, a user and any other term you want to use and the man is an idiot for not realizing his method of obtaining this sort of woman gets him what he gets. Do you get that?
When the "bashing" will stop is when there are no more sexist double standards and wanting to be treated as "equal", and distinctly "underprivileged" at the same time.
Wanting to be treated, looked upon, and respected as an independent adult when it suits them, and then be treated, looked upon and behave like a dependent child when it benefits them.
It's not a double standard when you have men that attract certain types of women by flash and then expect them to act differently later on. Like WTF! You see it as these type of women wanting to be treated, looked up to, and respected as an independent adult when it suits them, when you are failing to realize that the men in these particular cases have acted like Mr. Moneybanks to get these type of women and then they act all surprised and shocked because they were playing their own game to begin with.
You can't suck and blow at the same time.
Exactly my point. He throws his money around and then whines that she's the type that still expects it later on and he feels all used up financially. Well, duh. If he's going to have an agenda to attract a woman, expect to get one who acts that way. Alternatively, don't act like a big spender and play into these sort of women and then complain about it afterwards. Talk about acting like a child!
Grow up, acknowledge it, and deal with it.
The gravy train is over.
I trust that one's not directed at me, personally, and just at the topic of certain women with the gold digging mentality. I'm one of those independent women certain men love to hate because I have the intelligence to see to my own needs and not even think of relying on a man to do so financially. I can't help it if certain men would feel inadequate because of it - that's their baggage to deal with, not mine. A man who plays into that whole "looking after the helpless lil damsel in distress" thing irritates the chit out of me, as do the women who go for it. My train doesn't even stop at their station to begin with, never mind getting off and on it. I don't try to buy men like some men try to buy women and then said men paint all women with the same brush because of their own stupidity and inability to get into a relationship any other way than to dangle material items as incentive for said relationship. Both of those types of individuals need growing up, not just one of them. | |
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| Love,Quality of life and who pays
Posted: 11/2/2009 5:15:02 PM |
I think you're talking to a different generation than mine, or to men on a different planet... Well.....DUHHHHHHH....YEAH. Since the OP is 11 yrs older than you....and a member of MY generation....not yours. Sorry I didn't answer the question that YOU MEANT to ask.....but he beat you to the punch.
The men here are talking about, and how to avoid parasites. I do believe that I answered that quite directly in my first comment when I stated that the FIRST thing they need to do is STOP looking for those kinds of women.
I'm old, but not totally senile yet....so, yes...I DO remember which names I see in OTHER threads who support a very particular set of "values and ideals". Just so happens that in THIS case, the OP is generally a great fan of "feminine women....who are not able to care for themselves independently"
Your first 3 dissenting opinions didn't even address the statements so, I'll discount those.
This one however:
Uhhh...those days are in the past. Some of us never lived it, and have no interest in having a "homemaker" wife.
What you describe is like adopting a child. The thought of adopting a "wife", like I would a child, makes my skin crawl.... Excuse me....I didn't know that YOU were the OP hiding out incognito. I was addressing HIS statements.....not those that you had yet to make. Perhaps that is NOT what YOU want....but it IS what HE wants. (read his posting HISTORY)
I will only date or get involved with someone who is able to provide for them self and their children. I expect my partner to be a partner not a provider. My carrer of choice will make it next to impossible to ever be rich but it shows my dept of character and that is so much more valuable than money. I look for the same in another. Depth of character not dept of pockets!!
There are a few who do get it. Here's an example of what many men will trample over entitlement princesses and "materialistic" women for....
Yes, SOME men will....unfortunately FEW of them in MY generation (or the OPs) will do so however. They're far too busy bashing those "independent working women" as being too masculine; hence....my comment....that "THEY ASK FOR IT". | |
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