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Joined: 7/14/2009
Msg: 127 | |
| Love,Quality of life and who pays
Posted: 11/2/2009 5:58:12 PM |
The men here are talking about, and how to avoid parasites.
And I have found that MOST men on POF are so needy that they themselves cling like parasites. They are the ones who want to know how much a woman has in her retirement fund before the first meet n greet. Wow talk about allot of needy, insecure, boo hoo babies.
I have been written to and chatted on the phone with more men who live in mommies basements, in the basement of their and their X's house and bla bla bla all bull crapolie.
It still kills me that I am the one called negative when I have NEVER asked a man what he makes but wahooooo if you knew the amount of men who ask me what I make. How many deals I have done this year.
The men on here who think that the women are mostly gold diggers ... hello look at your brothers. The men are the BIGGEST gold diggers, cheap ass, tight wads, unable to attach emotionally unless they know how many dollars a gal has in her account.
If you could know how many men have ripped women on from on line you would NOT be shocked ... hey you men already know all about that shiit.
If you are so worried that a woman will diminish your quality of life then what the hell are you doing stopping at my mail box ... seriously pass me on by. To the person who wondered why I am on here ... I don't date from on line .... I like to post. And the problem with that would be ???
I couldn't think of but one or two men who post that I would even consider getting to know better. AND the differences between our lives would be far to vast to try. So we stay internet chatter friends. The rest of the men ... the biggest whinnnnnnnners I have known in my life.
The man wine ::::: We want independent women ... ohhh but then they might dump my ass if I am not needed, and seriously if there is no drama, money issues, or stalker troubles then what can I fix for them. What will I do if I am not needed ...
Here is what I want to need a man for. Hey honey, can you patch the roof, or build me a beautiful picket fence ??? Yeaaa well I am cooking you up a delight and bringing you a nice cold beer. THAT is the quality of life that I want improved.
I want SEX and LOVE and AFFECTION that is what I want in my life. Who pays? Well at 70 who gives a fuuk ... saying we get that far along.
Every thread always turns to women wanting money ... NO we want SEX. Good sex. Great loving, lots of meaningful mental calisthenics. We want a man who can be a man in REAL LIFE. That is priceless. Whiner men are a friggin dime a dozen. They are crawling all over the forums, and on line looking for a woman, any woman ... just any woman who will accept a cheepie.
Well I am not a cheepie, I am very generous, in life and in love. I only want the same. So for the men who think most women are gold diggers ... kiss my lily white azz. Ahhh forget it ... I wouldn't even let you close enough to do that.
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Posted: 11/2/2009 6:13:10 PM | If you are so worried that a woman will diminish your quality of life then what the hell are you doing stopping at my mail box ... seriously pass me on by. To the person who wondered why I am on here ... I don't date from on line .... I like to post. And the problem with that would be ???
No problem with someone who likes to post, but if I was as cynical as you about POF, then I would not only cancel my POF account, I would burn my PC and cut the internet connection. I personally think you're insecure and grossly attacking the majority of men on POF in an attempt to sooth your own problems. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 6:27:23 PM |
To the person who wondered why I am on here ... I don't date from on line .... I like to post. And the problem with that would be ???
Probably that your profile says this:
"ok with meeting and dating"
and not something like this:
"Only here for the forums"
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Posted: 11/2/2009 6:33:35 PM | | Since the beginning of human kind, men have been led to women by our penis' and their beauty. Women on the other hand are drawn to men by the stability and relative wealth they can offer. These are generalizations of course but they have been true since the beginning of time and are not expected to change anytime soon. | |
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Savona
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Joined: 7/14/2009
Msg: 131 | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 6:35:08 PM | ^^^ and thanks I am enjoying myself. Just reading all the whiney men threads and watching dancing with the stars.
I am not in the least insecure. I am actually very secure that I can write what I feel and not have to worry about oh if the men read this they might not ask me out ....
Awww come on you know the type of men and women who post what the other sex wants to read and it isn't whats on their mind at all. Then they go and get drunk and post in the middle of the night ... we read it in the morning and laugh our asses off because we finally know their true colours.
So for those who don't like what I write ... don't read it. Don't like my attitude then there is a pretty good chance I won't like your attitude either.
Anyway I love my computer, so no I won't burn it. I NEED my computer to book my tickets to go south when I feel snowed in this winter. That is my real life, and I LOVE my quality of life ... and I pay for it all on my little own self by working. Which there are tons of men on here who actually work only as hard as walking to the mail box to get their welfare cheque. So lets be honest here ... who is really going to pay for whom.
Why the one with the job is going to pay if they date men who pretend to work, and vice versa.
So what up with the gold digger threads ... FIX it men .... date only women who work. If you are a sponge ... date a sponge. If you are a giver date a giver ... if your shiit doesn't stink, date a non stinky just like you ...
Why do men what what they can't give, or why won't they date equal to them. Make good choices then you won't have to worry if someone wants your two toonies that you have stashed in your little pink bank for a coffee ... on your great meet n greets.
I will stick to real life men thanks.
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Posted: 11/2/2009 6:38:13 PM | No, the problem is too much obfuscating, tangents and improper analogies introduced as a means to rationalize a sexist double standard.
The topic is about women opportunists who expect to gain financially in by fishing in a class of people they can't parallel, in exchange for a "relationship", which ends up being a euphemism for being bought for their non monetary "assets".
The double standard is men buying the women for their non-monetary assets and then thinking they'll get a meaningful relationship out of the deal when they cut the purse strings. There is no strawman. Each set of indiviudals has their own double standard.
You're focussing on the symptom, not the cause.Blaming men for "creating" a bunch of women who can be bought (in this age of equal opportunity) is ludicrous.
Ya, women are such "victims" of men who want to "buy" them. Pfffft....
If women couldn't be "bought" or lured with money, the tactic of flashing money around would be meaningless. Face it, for some women, money is an huge aphrodisiac.
No, I'm not focusing on the symptom and I'm not blaming men for creating a bunch of women who can be bought. Those women are already out there who are opportunists (money for assets) and by the same token the man is an opportunist (assets for money). She's luring with the assets...he's luring with the money. I'm in no way calling these women "victims". In fact, if you'd stop being selective about pulling quotes or skimming selectively, you'd see that I have no use for women like this and look down upon them. By the same token, neither are the men "victims" as they are liking to make themselves out to be and as you are enabling that thought process by figuring they are some lilly white innocent in the game that both of them are playing. If money is an aphrodesiac for women, so is the physical assets and babysitting an aphrodesiac to him.
A man who plays into that whole "looking after the helpless lil damsel in distress" thing irritates the chit out of me
"Personally, those men amuse me."
as do the women who go for it.
I find them pathetic, personally, and don't lament over them for a minute. I don't care how pretty they are, they're ugly inside to me.
We're basically agreeing - they're both pathetic - you can still be amused by pathetic people.
As sadly a statement as it sounds, I come to agree in many situations, men have no chance at a successful relation if they cant provide finances, stability, and other check lists many women have regarding essentials for a relationship. I cant help to think are we as a society that shallow, bypassing good people for holding out on material gains, and loosing characteristics, chance at love in the name of materials?
Men will have no chance at a successful relation with women who USE men if they cant provide finances, [financial]stability. Is that a bad thing? Why would these men want a relationship with someone who's a parasite in the first place? Ahhh....I know....because he's the "good guy" who wants the killer looking chick/parasite combination so he can complain that most women are like that and that's why he's still single or that he was too blind, infatuated, lacking perception skills to have been stung by those types...likely more than once. Some men are just doofuses and can't see the forest for the trees as much as some women are empty headed enough to think that having good looks makes them automatically have a personality that is deserving of financial compensation for their presence. They're both doomed, and often, deservedly so. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 6:47:02 PM |
The men on here who think that the women are mostly gold diggers ... hello look at your brothers. The men are the BIGGEST gold diggers, cheap ass, tight wads, unable to attach emotionally unless they know how many dollars a gal has in her account. No, the men who focus on these matters are simply cautious and concerned that a womans interest in them is genuine and not based on superficiality, vanity or greed. The average man, online or offline, doesn't care how much money a woman makes, the only thing that is important is that a woman loves him back for who he is and not for how much money he makes.
Anyway, for me it simply comes down to this(and I have gone over this before): The whole concept of a man paying for a woman's way is both misandric and misogynistic; and anyone who promotes this kind of mentality is guilty of both(yes, there is such a thing as female misogyny and male misandry). Women are not objects to be bought and men aren't work mules. No matter how you try to spin it, it is sexism. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 6:52:01 PM |
So what up with the gold digger threads ... FIX it men .... date only women who work. If you are a sponge ... date a sponge. If you are a giver date a giver ... if your shiit doesn't stink, date a non stinky just like you ...
If you're happy dating real world guys, like you say you do, great. What's the point of posting about how "sh*tty" men on POF are if you're happier with guys in the real world, if POF men are miserable losers like you say, why bother wasting you time even discussing them? You seem to be blaming men for the same behaviour you are displaying.
Why do men what what they can't give, or why won't they date equal to them. Make good choices then you won't have to worry if someone wants your two toonies that you have stashed in your little pink bank for a coffee ... on your great meet n greets.
You really believe that all us men are penny-pinching cheapskates who are paranoid that women will come and steal our treasures? | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 7:55:53 PM | The average man, online or offline, doesn't care how much money a woman makes
Bullshyte--you are arguing women are after you for your money. This would only make sense if she needs the money because she lacks the money (although I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, if you want). Or are you seriously going to try to convince me now that a millionaire woman is only going to be after YOU for the extra $40k?? OR even try to convince me that if you met a millionaire woman and she was hott and she liked you, you wouldn't be going to yourself and your buddies, "SCHWINGGGGGGG". The millionaire part would DEF be a "plus" in the equation. I don't know why you try to deny that?
And a man DOES care a lot about how much HE himself makes, and women pick up on this, so it becomes important to women, too.
You really believe that all us men are penny-pinching cheapskates who are paranoid that women will come and steal our treasures?
No, but it seems that a preponderance of PoF forum posters of the male persuasion are on board with the concept. And every time a woman says she's not after his money, he waves the argument aside and points out how once, this one woman, one time, made him buy a drink so he could talk to her and that isn't "fair". | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 8:04:35 PM | OP: My income is part of the reason I don't try to date. I make enough to live as a bachelor and put some money in the bank (idea is to have cash for a house by the time I'm 45). I don't, however, make enough to spend it freely without destroying this game plan (which int he long run, would be a very poor decision).
I see many, many threads and posts commenting on income, which sort of amuses me given the current state of the economy. Shallowness is a big issue, which is one of many reasons I tell people that love, real love, is a complete accident.
'Dean Martin - Ain't That A Kick In The Head?' suits this perfectly. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 8:08:47 PM | Bullshyte--you are arguing women are after you for your money.
I agree. I do care how much money a woman makes. Not in terms of dollar value, but the ability to take care of herself, and (here's the kicker) to remain that way when were in a relationship. I don't date students, part timers, or full timers at the local grocery store. I have no desire to adopt a dependent and become her daddy. I don't believe all women are after my money, but *some*, who don't even realize it or admit it, fall into the stereotype of being provided for after they're in a relationship. And women without children do this too. I see examples of it in my friends and family. This is who I am specifically talking about because I don't have children, likely never will, and I have absolutely no desire to have a housewife. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 8:10:03 PM |
What does my age have to do with the OP?
Read the OP.
You're lecturing and giving advice on something that is not even in question or being discussed.
The OP is asking for opinions about an observation, not a personal experience. WRONG! The OP STARTED OUT making an observation, but at the point that HE thought, and HE realized and HE came to a conclusion....it DID become about a PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. What he heard in a forum was nothing more than an introduction to HIS PERSONAL experiences and beliefs.
I was disturbed by what I heard on a forum so thought I would put this to the readers.
A guy commented regarding women and quality of life. It went like this, if you cant provide for her why should she stay around. As sadly a statement as it sounds, I come to agree in many situations, men have no chance at a successful relation if they cant provide finances, stability, and other check lists many women have regarding essentials for a relationship. I cant help to think are we as a society that shallow, bypassing good people for holding out on material gains, and loosing characteristics, chance at love in the name of materials?
I realize there are some that have inner fortatude and dont succume to that, but I cant help realizing that many bypass what they value as meaningful to a succesful relationship.
What is your view on the topic?
Post # 132 is a perfect example of the old adage; if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
His statement, that men have no chance at a successful relation if they can't provide finances, stability, and other check lists many women have....blah, blah, blah is NOTHING more than the same kind of whining that women do when them come in and post about....
"I've been in 7 relationships...and they ALL abuse me, it seems that a woman just can't have a decent relationship because ALL men are abusers!"
PLLLLLAAZZZZZEEE!!! Spare me that wimpy crap! 9 out of 10 people would quickly point out that....SHE CHOOSES THESE MEN! (just like the OP CHOOSES the women he chooses). It's NOT that there aren't women out there who aren't materialistic....they're just NOT the ones that he likes. Just like women who repeatedly CHOOSE men who pound the crap out of them....there ARE good men out there who do NOT behave like that....but those women just DON'T like those men.
NOW, you wanna talk about some double standards....bring it on! WHY does he get a pass of choosing women who want men who provide all their financial support and security.....BECAUSE THOSE ARE the women the looks for.
The OP doesn't say that he LOOKS for materialistic women. OHHHHH REALLY? So, tell me......if a woman goes to a sleazy bar, gets drunk, rips off all her clothes, and starts dancing on the bar and sticking "it" in men's face.....you're telling me that she's NOT "asking for "it". (meaning...whatever she gets!) Talk about DOUBLE STANDARDS here.....how about a little PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY????
One need not always vocalize their "wants" to make them TOTALLY OBVIOUS. Many times...actions speak louder than words.
Personally, those men amuse me. Well, I'm tickled blue that they amuse YOU...personally...they make me wanna barf! Frankly, they really deserve the gold diggers they get; which is pretty much what everyone one else has been saying (male and female).
Never mind "other threads". You're going off topic. FYI, this is not a court of law, and YOU are not a judge, so I fail to recognize your instruction to disregard "evidence" not found through proper search and seizure procedure. There are NO threads that are unavailable for ALL to read, and therefore the philosophies and ideologies of each and every member are here to be read and reread....and remembered. This is certainly NOT the first thread in which someone has been called on talking out of both sides of their mouths....and I'm sure it won't be the last.
Examples of the OPs values:
A women in need although somewhat desperate is easier for a man to get to know to initially than a women that is independant. Sure sounds to me like he's looking for gold diggers!
I dont care for masculine behaving women, prefer feminine.
Among those "feminine" characteristics are; dependent, emotional, illogical, not ambitious, less drive for power and money, and seeks help readily. (there are others)
So, let's see....the OPs quest for a "feminine" woman....definition of "feminine" is "dependent"...blah, blah, blah....
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Posted: 11/2/2009 8:13:10 PM |
Real life men ... hell they spend "the money", go on trips, meet real women in real life who can afford to do those things too ...
Whoever originally posted this is an idiot. My number one reason for saying this is the fact that a large portion of the people I have met, and I'm sure America in general, are in debt.
Some of this debt is unavoidable. Some in very avoidable. Living outside of your means, having 10+ credit cards, buying houses considerably larger than is realistically needed, buying more expensive cars than are needed... spending $200 on a first date dinner. These are all frivolous spending habits as well as status symbols.
I hold a job. I don't make a lot, but I can support myself and if I'm suddenly unemployed I have a plan of action that can be put in place in under 72 hours. I own a Honda, rent a room (not at my parents house), have no credit cards and own no one a dime (outside of normal monthly expenses). This, to some (both men and women), is not enough. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 8:26:17 PM |
Whoever originally posted this is an idiot....I'm sure America in general, are in debt.
This is why OP has to ask this question because he can't afford what he seeks. He may not enough an idiot... | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 8:39:15 PM | You really believe that all us men are penny-pinching cheapskates who are paranoid that women will come and steal our treasures? No, but it seems that a preponderance of PoF forum posters of the male persuasion are on board with the concept. And every time a woman says she's not after his money, he waves the argument aside and points out how once, this one woman, one time, made him buy a drink so he could talk to her and that isn't "fair".
I have no doubt there are guys on POF, the real world, Saturn, or wherever that think like this. As for a preponderance of them..... wouldn't go so far as to say that without some statistical indication at least. Be that as it may, seems to me it is simply yet another generalisation that one gender makes about the other, based on personal anecdotes. Not always a rational/logical way to go.
I have read on POF where some men only ask that women be able to pay their way when it comes to bills ie be responsible financially, and some of the women say the same things about the men.
Well that's great, but what if the partner can't afford to do much else than that?
What if he/she can pay his/her bills, but (thinking long term here) can barely afford, or not, to pay half of your bills? | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 8:40:23 PM |
This is why OP has to ask this question because he can't afford what he seeks. He may not enough an idiot... LOL! hey...it's crackin me up!!!
Living outside of your means, having 10+ credit cards, buying houses considerably larger than is realistically needed, buying more expensive cars than are needed... spending $200 on a first date dinner. These are all frivolous spending habits as well as status symbols. LOL! I live in my own home, which I paid cash for, drive a pick up truck, have O credit cards.....LOL! and I CAN afford to spend $200 on a date.....
LOL!!!! what I cannot do...is find a man my age who's who's NOT looking for a "dependent" feminine woman! | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 8:47:23 PM |
LOL!!!! what I cannot do...is find a man my age who's who's NOT looking for a "dependent" feminine woman!
It's likely due to your age group. Guys your age were raised differently than guys growing up today. You will find various attitudes in every age group, but there are commonalities amongst the majority. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 9:13:24 PM | WRONG! The OP STARTED OUT making an observation, but at the point that HE thought, and HE realized and HE came to a conclusion....it DID become about a PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.
No, he's beginning to sympathize with a philosophical concept.
You're trying to parallel that to him having personally experienced actual rejections based on being passed over by materialistic women.
Post # 132 is a perfect example of the old adage; if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
You wish.
His statement, that men have no chance at a successful relation if they can't provide finances, stability, and other check lists many women have....blah, blah, blah is NOTHING more than the same kind of whining that women do when them come in and post about....
Your reading and comprehension skills are different that mine.
He clearly prefaces his comments with this:
I was disturbed by what I heard on a forum so thought I would put this to the readers.
He's not giving you any opinions and conclusions based on his personal relationships with women.
blah, blah, blah is NOTHING more than the same kind of whining that women do when them come in and post about....
"I've been in 7 relationships...and they ALL abuse me, it seems that a woman just can't have a decent relationship because ALL men are abusers!"
You've got to be kidding me with that strawman.
Questioning a philosophical theory that seems plausible enough to sympatize with, and ask for other's thoughts and opinions on materialistic individuals and society, is hardly whining.
It's asking for dialogue. You're being petulant about it.
And once again, where does he say that he's been personally exposed to, or "experienced" any materialistic women he's been involved with personally?? 
PLLLLLAAZZZZZEEE!!! Spare me that wimpy crap! 9 out of 10 people would quickly point out that....SHE CHOOSES THESE MEN!
That's not the topic.
It's NOT that there aren't women out there who aren't materialistic....they're just NOT the ones that he likes.
Where in this thread does he admit any such thing?
NOW, you wanna talk about some double standards....bring it on!
I've already clearly defined the sexist double standard that the OP's topic is centered around.
WHY does he get a pass of choosing women who want men who provide all their financial support and security.....BECAUSE THOSE ARE the women the looks for.
You're really not making any sense. I don't see anywhere where he admits to seeking dependent women.
The OP doesn't say that he LOOKS for materialistic women. OHHHHH REALLY? So, tell me......if a woman goes to a sleazy bar, gets drunk, rips off all her clothes, and starts dancing on the bar and sticking "it" in men's face.....you're telling me that she's NOT "asking for "it". (meaning...whatever she gets!) Talk about DOUBLE STANDARDS here.....how about a little PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY???? One need not always vocalize their "wants" to make them TOTALLY OBVIOUS. Many times...actions speak louder than words.
You've completely lost the plot, haven't you?...
Well, I'm tickled blue that they amuse YOU...personally...they make me wanna barf!
I find that amusing as well....
Never mind "other threads". You're going off topic. FYI, this is not a court of law, and YOU are not a judge, so I fail to recognize your instruction to disregard "evidence" not found through proper search and seizure procedure
I'm merely giving you a heads up.
Read the forum rules.
You are derailing this thread.
Others are hijacking it with their off topic misandrist diatribes on their crappy date experiences.
Among those "feminine" characteristics are; dependent, emotional, illogical, not ambitious, less drive for power and money, and seeks help readily. (there are others)
So, let's see....the OPs quest for a "feminine" woman....definition of "feminine" is "dependent"...blah, blah, blah....
You don't get it do you?
You don't understand how threads work, do you?
Post in response to what is said in THIS thread.
If something about his comments in another thread trouble you, post about it in THAT thread.
He is asking for opinions and a philosophical question.
You're casting aspersions of the OP.
Where does the OP list his personal preference for female characteristics in this thread????
And are you paraphrasing?
What you've just gone and described is a child, not a woman.
Your vocabulary is adequate, but I recommend you brush up on your reading COMPREHENSION.
My comprehension is fine.
Your understanding of how not to derail a thread, and how to chill, need work....
LOL! I live in my own home, which I paid cash for, drive a pick up truck, have O credit cards.....LOL! and I CAN afford to spend $200 on a date.....
Sounds like you're doing OK.
How do you feel when men are focussed on your wealth?
LOL!!!! what I cannot do...is find a man my age who's who's NOT looking for a "dependent" feminine woman!
That sounds dangerously close to what you claim is "whining".... | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 9:34:01 PM |
LOL!!!! what I cannot do...is find a man my age who's who's NOT looking for a "dependent" feminine woman!
I'm curious, so I have to ask. I was with you through the whole bit about how what you cannot do is find a man your age. Understandable, and I trust that you're in a position to make that assertion. You lost me, however, when you went on to say why (the implication being that you're an "independent" woman and the men your age are only interested in "dependent" women). How have you ascertained this? Have your dates been filling out post-date questionnaires? Have you actually accumulated a statistically significant number of these?
What is the basis for stating that men your age are looking for "dependent" women, when the much simpler conclusion that men your age are simply looking for women-other-than-you would seem to suffice? | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 9:51:29 PM |
Uhhh...those days are in the past. Some of us never lived it, and have no interest in having a "homemaker" wife.
What you describe is like adopting a child. The thought of adopting a "wife", like I would a child, makes my skin crawl....
Another facet of your personality emerges.....utter dislike of women who were stay at home wives/mothers.....I wonder why? Makes your skin crawl. That is dramatic.
A proponent of a system where a woman has children but doesn't raise them. You sneer at the most important job/responsibility in the Universe. A mother being allowed to raise her young. While she does that, she makes sure the nest is homey and welcoming for the husband to come home to after his day at work.
What happened in your young life? I know you had quite a bit of exposure to the "urban life" of bars and the habitants of them. Did that leave a stigma with you?
The "system" raises the children in institutionalized environments. Some daycares are running with over 30 kids on the roster. Mom picks them up from daycare, exhausted by her day at work, quickly feeds them something, puts them in the bath and bed.
By age ten or eleven they are quietly latch-key kids. Nice way to be brought up.
My husband was very happy when I was a stay-at-home wife. It was when I decided to go back to work that trouble started. Simply? He missed me.
Why is it that we women insist that men listen to us. That we are right. Maybe we are not right all of the time.
If there are lots of men who have no problem having a wife who is"dependent" financially on them, why is that wrong? It is their choice.
What is wrong is when a woman like my son's lady takes advantage of "feminism" and makes him do things while she lies around "not feeling well." I can understand a few days here and there, but this has been going on consistantly for months.
I will say it again and again. It's our differences that make life interesting and diversified. Allow it.
Being a full-time wife at home can be a skill-builder that gives a woman the opportunity to be skilled in so many things. I know that I developed many skills that has allowed me to function very well as a single woman. I have taken these skills into my relationships and the men have always marvelled at how well that I can do practically anything.
Also, I did alot of volunteering over the years with the seniors who were in long term care facilities. I did arts and crafts with them. There is a huge demand for volunteers in our lifestyle. From animal care to people care. Most of us volunteers were women who were stay-at-home wives.
I felt it was an important and vital responsibility to be in the position of a stay-at-home wife and mother and feel lucky that I was able to raise my children the way I wanted to raise them. I faced down the prevailing attitude of the day. The attitude of some people who sneered at stay-at-home wives and moms. Now, there are many moms who'd give their left arm to be able to raise their own children but can't because of economic reasons.
My son has temporarily lost his cojones, but they are on the way back. He doesn't go long without them. I think he just loved this lady too much and she is taking advantage. Hopefully, the balance will level out shortly. I will see how I can diplomatically influence my dear daughter-in-law with the gentlest of nudges. | |
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| Love,Quality of life and who pays
Posted: 11/2/2009 9:52:31 PM | I want to sincerely apologize to all of you readers who thought that I was the only evil bad POFguy on here. I'm sorry to say that my truths brought out others with THEIR points of view (not-judged-by-me-for-accuracy-in-the-least)
I'm almost starting to channel Rodney King here
I actually read through ALL the posts that came after my fan club responded to me.
WOW.. can I inspire a thread of discussion or what. I'm da man.. I'M DA MAN
Ok.. self-immolation.. whether it be praise or what the monks did in 'nam is a bad thing
So.. Let's turn the tables for a minute..
I want the WOMEN who are against the men's posts in general.. to make a post in SUPPORT of the men's point of view. and I want the men to do the same.. about the women's point of view.. YOu know.. the points you so vehemently disagree with
Put.. COUNTERPOINT at the beginning of your post.. So we KNOW you dont EMOTIONALLY BELIEVE in it.. but are INTELLECTUALLY ARGUING it
Just for MY sake.
Comeon people.. SHOW ME YOUR INTELLECT. SHOW ME REASONING.
then you can go back to your respective corners.
Oh.. booboo.. you are exempt since on page 3 you already said you support the general male point of view.. but you can if you want | |
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| Love,Quality of life and who pays
Posted: 11/2/2009 10:01:30 PM |
Put.. COUNTERPOINT at the beginning of your post.. So we KNOW you dont EMOTIONALLY BELIEVE in it.. but are INTELLECTUALLY ARGUING it
Why not ask for an "intellectual argument" over, say, Batman Vs. Spiderman? It would be a similarly absurd request.
If the topic of discussion is, "Why do (some gender, race, religion, orientation, or other generic classification of people) X", you are already outside of the realm of intellectual debate, as the conversation itself is predicated on idiocy. | |
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| Love,Quality of life and who pays
Posted: 11/2/2009 10:04:26 PM | | Annie hit it on the nose with this one. It is not what you can do for me or what I can do for you but what we can do "together." The things in life that has meaning is priceless. My car can't love me back, my designer clothes can't love me back. So be careful on what we love and make sure it can love us back... | |
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| Love,Quality of life and who pays
Posted: 11/2/2009 10:06:22 PM | Look.. OBVIOUSLY it is spiderman.. he had certain skills/powers from the NewCLEAR spider bite that WERENT gadget required
batman was ALL gadget | |
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