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| Why people stick with their own
Posted: 11/4/2009 9:02:33 AM |
Quiet Boomer, he wasn't talking to you!
But, I could swear I hear my name dropped....
Natasha, you are so bossy! That's what the WLM has done for women--made them brash and outspoken, when they should be in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant, with their aprons on and the bread baking in the oven and their opinions kept locked up in their pretty little heads.  | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 9:02:37 AM | "cnc: It was the denial of the fundamental rights..."
The use of 'cnc:..." makes the post appear to be a quotation of something I said. It was not what I said and what I said was not a reply to what Natasha said in this reply was the root of the women's movement. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 9:12:09 AM | Well thank you for that disclaimer to help clear these muddy waters. While the fact is that I did not use the "quote" feature in my post, I had to edit in "cnc" to indicate which post I was responding to since other poster's slipped in before I could post under you. Does that clear things up?
Whateva. It's not like anyone but us few are reading this anyways. Don't worry, your reputation is safe.
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CUT IT OUT BOOMER! btw, your bread's burning. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 9:17:16 AM | You know even the few remaining old cave men like me will stipulate to women having an equal role in the workplace. In my career the single best executive I've ever known was a woman. Brilliant and with skills in understanding people and work that boggle the mind. She started as a secretary with a high school education and worked her way up to CIO of a multi-billion $ high technology company. All men execs, many ex-generals and admirals. All with Ph.D's in electrical engineering with every accolade and award and recognition possible. But when a project was in trouble, or there was some form of breakdown, who did they call? Always my friend. She could pick the essential from the non-essential with lightning speed, dust all the boys off, and send them back to work like a mom sorting out her own fighting kids. and we loved her for it.
Now let me give you the bad news, nothing you gals are patting yourself on the backs until humps threaten would she buy in to. She would probably be speaking even more directly than I have about the silliness implied in your answers.
glad to clear this up. get me a beer while you're up. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 9:27:45 AM |
CUT IT OUT BOOMER! btw, your bread's burning.
You're just jealous because you don't know how to knead dough properly, Natasha.
Other than the economic impact of women in the workplace, the main result has been the effects it has had on the children of America. A vast majority of them are being raised by people other than their parents, from daycare workers to grandparents to their teachers at school. Basic moral values, social manners, and respect for authority, which we used to take for granted in society, seem to be totally missing in many of our youth today. Children spend more time with hired caregivers than they do with either parent, so the basic training of these children is suffering as a result.
I work with teachers and it is amazing how many of the kindergarten teachers complain about having to teach 5 yrs olds basic skills like how to blow their noses. The teachers have become surrogate parents and with 25 kids in a classroom, how effective can that be? | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 9:28:03 AM | gc, who said the current state of the Woman's Movement is the ideal? I'd love to stay at home, secure in the love of a man who would treat me well, his financial and emotional support being assured.
I'd like to believe in Santa Claus too, but I have a feeling my stocking will be empty again this year. *sigh*
nothing you gals are patting yourself on the backs until humps threaten would she buy in to. She would probably be speaking even more directly than I have about the silliness implied in your answers.
Give her my number. There is no silliness implied regards the lack of security and safety known to women in the past. I believe that she would be grateful for the work done by those that went before her in securing her present "right" to use that fabulous business sense of hers. It would be lost 100 years ago.
Now gc dear, isn't it a bit early for beer? Can't ya wait until the 19th hole? | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 9:38:18 AM | I'm with the Boomer gal, kids raised by others is a recipe for life long dysfunction, perhaps even a lapse into becoming a democrat.
re; women might prefer to stay home if men ..... i've applied my considerable intellect to this problem and find it a complex chicken and egg situation. Did it start with women being disappointed by men's inability to commit and carry their part? or did men quit carrying their part when women disappointed them?
Well the social commentator H.L. Mencken was once heard to say "American women are too smart to be fall for good looking men. How does this play out? 100 years ago women would have had it drilled into them that a good man went to church, tended his crops, fed his horses first, etc. Later women would be told they could have it all, incl. the bore who fed the horses while her souffle fell. Watch the movie Thelma and Louise, considered a female declaration of independence it is more accurately a list of dumb things women do. The ONLY people who were decent to the women in that movie were men. But they loved the Brad Pitt character.
Nah, few women today could pass a wife school, and they keep on with the same false life lessons. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 9:41:43 AM |
Derivatives supported by barney frank and Chriss Dodd?
Don't forget the biggest advocate was Alan Greenspan. You shouldn't always cherry pick who is at fault from your Rush Limbaugh school of thought. (Hey that rhymed) | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 1:07:19 PM | Sorry to say but it sounds like what you went through as a child still holds you very insecure of who you are. nationality? what that has to do with people in a bar I will never know.
I too was picked on as a child.. every day. Why? Because I was a "halfbreed" Back in the 50's there was no such thing as Mixed race or Multi racial.
But today when I walk in any room I'm "ME".. not white. not black. not mexican. Im ME, a confidant woman and everyone see's me as just that. I talk to everyone, every shade and every kind... I demand they see who I am and not WHAT I am!
Just my two cents.
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Posted: 11/4/2009 1:30:17 PM | | really? i think we're all afraid of eachother. he's dif., he doesn't think as i do... she's hindo(?), looks dif. from me, there can't be any common ground... they're gov. dif. than mine... what could we talk about. opening our hearts means to put up front our very souls... valneralbillity is the limb we all refuse to jump off of. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 10:54:34 PM |
and their opinions kept locked up in their pretty little heads.
I can think of several I've met who would have spared themselves a lot of embarrassment if they'd followed that advice. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 12:16:25 AM | We have lists of socially responsible businesses and they have shown themselves to be both profitable and attractive to investors.
The main--really the only--purpose of a corporation is to make as much profit as it can, within the limits of the law. I don't know what you mean by "Friedman economics," and I wonder if you do. Your conjecture that it somehow caused the current recession is irrelevant to anything I said.
Most adults know that rational people invest money where it's most profitable. You, though, apparently expect people to try to get less than they could for their money. That's not how things work. If a buyer rates two cars, or houses, or chairs, or kitchen sinks as exactly equal, they're going to buy the cheaper one.
I've talked several times with bankers who decide on loans to developers, and I repeat: They don't loan money for a project unless the developer's detailed proposal convinces them the bank is likely to get it all back, with interest.
And do you really imagine the shareholders of a large homebuilding corporation bought their shares hoping its housing developments would *lose* money, or maybe just break even? How noble that would be! How free of that loathsome capitalist "greed!" Of course, all the thousands of carpenters and plumbers and electricians and architects and investors who took it in the neck, when the homebuilder at last went under, might see things a little differently.
I don't know what you mean by "socially responsible," or who these firms are. Charities and corporations are two completely different entities, covered by different laws. State laws often limit how much corporations may spend on philanthropic ventures, and if they spend very much, shareholders can sue them for their losses. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 12:46:42 AM |
but how were their buns?
I don't remember. They might have been just fine, but after they started holding forth, it was hard to notice anything but the droning. BTW, speaking of buns and such, I myself am not bad at baking. It's been a while, but I've made yeast breads, quick breads, tarts, pies, cookies (pfeffernusse a specialty) and so on. I haven't tried brioche dough yet, but my sister used to make it all the time.
It's pretty well acknowledged that most of the best chefs are men. And as the joke goes, what most women are best at making for dinner is reservations. I'm sure some of them could manage to burn plain water. For the rich folks, they say, the granite countertops, the vast Sub Zero side-by side, the 8-burner restaurant range, the two wall ovens, etc. are often just for show--all anyone ever uses are the coffee maker and the micro. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 12:49:21 AM | Maybe its because my family are from here in the wild west (Wyoming, Montana, California) going back to the early 1800's that I and my female cousins and now our daughters in law have always been in great marriages where the word partnership was the key word. There is no way you can own a ranch or live in a remote area and be weak. And being the best wife and mother was #1 with us. Because we knew/know that a happy spouse means a happy home and if everyone is happy things are run smooth, life is pleasant.
Doesn't mean our men walk all over us, since they respect us to much to do so. They need/ed us, and we need them. Each person in the marriage has strengths that when used well make for a successful union. Its a lot like running a successful family business. Everyone pulls their own weight. No one slacks off. And you cannot be self centered and into drama.
Was watching one of the home improvement shows a few months ago where couples redo a room or build a new deck. Had to turn the show off because I just could not handle the woman who started to cry and complain that she just couldn't carry lumber or use a nail gun. Yet she is the one who had fluttered her eye lashes and in a girlie voice had promised to help her husband do the work and they would save so much money doing it themselves. The husband stopped and looked at her and asked 'why are you crying'? Suck it up! Makes me mad when I see a man who has been so feminized by the woman in his life. Actually it gives me the creeps.
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Posted: 11/5/2009 1:07:41 AM |
Suck it up! Makes me mad when I see a man who has been so feminized by the woman in his life.
Well, you see? We guys just can't win. I didn't see this show, but it sounds like this man realized his wife felt devalued, conflicted, and was concerned about her boundaries. After all, you say he wanted her to use a gun on her nails! That's just nuts--and naturally, she became a little emotional. Sure, she may have offered to help--but she probably just meant bringing someone coffee or a sandwich. Wasn't he just trying to make up for having been so demanding, by being sensitive and attentive to his wife's needs? Isn't that just what we've been told we should do? | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 4:59:54 AM |
The main--really the only--purpose of a corporation is to make as much profit as it can, within the limits of the law. I don't know what you mean by "Friedman economics," and I wonder if you do. Your conjecture that it somehow caused the current recession is irrelevant to anything I said.
Funny, whenever the topic of taxation comes up, it turns out that the purpose of corporations is to provide jobs, and taxation takes money away from that.
I've got no problem with investors making sustained profit over time, but that's a different revenue model than extracting the maximum amount in the shortest time from local communities that are then left high and dry.
Retirement funds, who are the major institutional investors, just might prefer investing in businesses with a longer-term perspective. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 6:19:43 AM | | How exactly are these communities left high and dry? Don't you know that making the developers build parks, roads, fire stations and etc. isn't cheap? Do you want to know why homes cost so much to build? Add to that the code requirements that are upgraded every time there is an earthquake or other disaster as well as the employee costs above wages including worker comp and employer matching taxes and it's completely insane. Everything you require of a developer ends up jacking up the price of real estate. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 12:34:22 PM |
matchlight wrote: Well, you see? We guys just can't win. I didn't see this show, but it sounds like this man realized his wife felt devalued, conflicted, and was concerned about her boundaries. After all, you say he wanted her to use a gun on her nails! That's just nuts--and naturally, she became a little emotional. Sure, she may have offered to help--but she probably just meant bringing someone coffee or a sandwich. Wasn't he just trying to make up for having been so demanding, by being sensitive and attentive to his wife's needs? Isn't that just what we've been told we should do?
Gun on her nails? huh? It was a nail gun! And they showed how she wanted to do this small addition and assured her husband that they could save money if they both did the work themselves. She assured him she could hammer and screw and do what was needed.
As a woman I do not like women being dumbed down, and being allowed to make excuses for their actions. And its fine to be sensitive to other peoples feelings, but ask yourself this. If someone says they want to as well as can do a specific job and then once you are assured they can and will do the job, they then start making excuses or worse yet, start crying, what would you think? Had I tried that stunt on my Dad growing up, or on my husband once I married, they would have reminded me that it was me who wanted the job, and I needed to suck it up. Why didn't the husband remind the wife that she is the one who wanted to do this remodel and had assured him she would carry her own weight in getting the job done.
Oh and after she cried, he called a couple friends and they came and helped him get the job done. Then to add insult to injury, when they were all done and he asked his wife what she thought of the great remodel her comment was unemotional and a simply, 'yes that's nice hon'. She went back to visiting with her friends.
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Posted: 11/5/2009 1:27:24 PM |
when they were all done and he asked his wife what she thought of the great remodel her comment was unemotional and a simply, 'yes that's nice hon'. She went back to visiting with her friends.
Well, it sounds to me like they richly deserve each other. I do hope they enjoyed their new addition. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 1:33:24 PM |
Everything you require of a developer ends up jacking up the price of real estate.
Well . . . sometimes. The studies I've seen show that whether developers can pass on their costs, or if so, how much of them, varies a lot. They're most able to do that when the local demand for housing is high, and there aren't many other choices available within a few miles. But when that's not the case, they may have to eat it all. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 5:08:54 PM | matchlight "The main--really the only--purpose of a corporation is to make as much profit as it can, within the limits of the law." ....
Not everyone invests solely for short term gain greed. I don't. I do have a requirement that my investments have to be limited to socially responsible companies. I am not the only one. This is not the only time. Many of us in the apartheid movement set aside greed as the only motivator and we did impact businesses choices of who they did business with ... and we changed the face of Africa with our socially responsible actions
matchlight: "I don't know what you mean by "socially responsible," or who these firms are. "
I went and did a quick look for most current information on the web and thought you might find this information educational. Even the greedie companies are learning that social responsibility is more cost effective. In fact, in 2010 ISO will be adding 26000 as the standard for socially responsible behaviors for businesses. See http://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink?func=ll&objId=3935837&objAction=browse&sort=name
Try this set of statistics http://www.bsr.org/reports/BSR_GlobeScan_Poll_2009_FactSheet.pdf
Here is the link to UC Berkeley's site http://www.haas.berkeley.edu/responsiblebusiness/
Here is the link for the socially responsible business awards http://www.sociallyresponsibleawards.org/
I found several investment groups that include social responsibility in their criteria as does this example http://www.parnassus.com/how-we-invest/default.aspx
I could undoubtedly add more for hours as some of us are just fed up with greed... which happens to be one of the 7 deadly sins. | |
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| Why people stick with their own
Posted: 11/5/2009 5:17:52 PM | I think people may stick with their own especially on weekends, because it is a safe haven where they can relax. If you deal with Jack balls all week long, you need to hang with buds.
Just the other night I was watching the "Night of the Living Dead" and it occurred to me that one of the Zombies looked like Nancy Pelosi with her unblinking eyes. My friends thought that was funny. Now if I said that among some folks, I'd be chastised. Who needs that? | |
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