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 jack-d-ripper

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Election '09 tests not boding well for Obama
Posted: 11/4/2009 6:33:22 AM


Obama Congressional sweep continues !!!!!!!!!!!

Two Seats Dem last night.... A seat held since 1870................


1870..... Thats over 50 years!!!!! ha




Correction


The seat was held by the GOP for OVER..... 150..... YEARS>>>>>>>


HUGE loss for Obama?????





How about a huge loss for Palin.... she started the mess... made Robo Calls ....

PALIN LOSS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


 killene

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Election '09 tests not boding well for Obama
Posted: 11/4/2009 6:35:33 AM
Just maybe Obama should have stayed home instead of all the campaign trips he made to NJ and VA.

Seems that the OBama campaign trips have backfired on him in more ways that one. Since Obama put all the effort into going to the various off year elections, plus sending in Biden many realize that it looks like Obama has lost some traction.


[A year after dousing, GOP’s hope rekindled - Coalition that swept Obama into White House was absent on Tuesday News Analysis
By Adam Nagourney

updated 37 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - The Republican victories in the races for New Jersey and Virginia governors put the party in a stronger position to turn back the political wave President Obama unleashed last year, setting the stage for Republicans to raise money, recruit candidates and ride the excitement of an energized base as the party heads into next year’s midterm elections.
But a Democratic victory in an upstate New York Congressional district — after an ideologically pitched battle between moderates and conservatives over how best to lead Republicans back to power — signaled that the Republican Party faces continued upheaval. The Democratic victory came over a conservative candidate who, with the enthusiastic backing of national conservative leaders and well-financed grass-roots organizations, had forced out a Republican candidate who supported abortion rights and gay rights.
The results in the New Jersey and Virginia races underscored the difficulties Mr. Obama is having transforming his historic victory a year ago into either a sustained electoral advantage for Democrats or a commanding ideological position over conservatives in legislative battles.
The coalition that swept him into the White House was absent on Tuesday night, with evidence that the young, African-American and first-time voters who supported Mr. Obama failed to turn out to help the Democrats Mr. Obama had campaigned for: Gov. Jon S. Corzine in New Jersey and R. Creigh Deeds in Virginia. (There are no exit polls in the upstate Congressional race to provide demographic information on the electoral outcome.)
Independent voters who had flocked to Mr. Obama in Virginia and New Jersey last year shifted on Tuesday to the Republican candidates in both states, Christopher J. Christie in New Jersey and Robert F. McDonnell in Virginia, according to exit polls in both states. That is a swing that will certainly be noted by moderate Congressional Democrats facing re-election next year, who may now be more reluctant to support Mr. Obama on tough votes in Congress. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33615738/ns/politics-the_new_york_times/?GT1=43001


 jack-d-ripper

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Election '09 tests not boding well for Obama
Posted: 11/4/2009 6:49:30 AM


So what?

What does this have to do with the Dem SWEEP of Congress..............?


................Blue picked up TWO seats........


Proof ............ Growing support for CAP and TRADE!!!!!!!!!!


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PROOF PALIN IS A LOSER

BECK LOSER....RUSH LOSER... HANNITY LOSER....D!CK ARMEY...LOSER


 one eyed jacks

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Posted: 11/4/2009 7:00:48 AM
Some more on the exit polls which shows in this case the results mostly are the result of local issues.


<div class="quote">Virginia Governor: Republican Bob McDonnell wins by 17 points, toward the upper end of the range predicted by the pollsters, although not to anybody's great surprise. Democrats had major turnout problems here; exit polls show that the electorate which turned out in Virginia supported McCain in last year's election 51-43, almost exactly the opposite of the actual margin. But Deeds also appears to have been the weaker candidate. The electorate was roughly spit on approval of Obama, but 20 percent of those who approved Obama nevertheless voted for McDonnell, while just 5 percent of those who disapproved Obama voted for Deeds.

In New Jersey Obama support is pretty good but again local issues are the reason here.


<div class="quote">New Jersey Governor: Republican Chris Christie wins 49-45. We had (somewhat tentatively) characterized the race as leaning Christie on the basis of superior enthusiasm and the incumbent rule. Corzine never polled at better than 44 percent in any individual poll of the race. It looked for a time like 44 or 45 percent might nevertheless have been enough to win him the election, but support for the third party candidate Chris Daggett collapsed, leaving him exposed.

Obama approval was actually pretty strong in New Jersey, at 57 percent, but 27 percent of those who approved of Obama nevertheless voted for someone other than Corzine. This one really does appear to be mostly about Corzine being an unappealing candidate, as the Democrats look like they'll lose just one or two seats in the state legislature in Trenton. Corzine compounded his problems by staying negative until the bitter end of the campaign rather than rounding out his portfolio after having closed the margin with Christie.

And in NY23 it just goes to show you can't parachute a crazy outsider without any knowledge of local issues and expect to win. This would have been a Republican win if the teabaggers would have kept their noses out of it.


<div class="quote">NY-23: Democrat Bill Owens prevails in a result that will be regarded as surprising; the final tally isn't in yet but it appears as though it will be something on the order of 50-45 over Conservative Doug Hoffman. I don't think I've ever hedged more on predicting the outcome of a race; the main issue is that there was a rather large discrepancy between the polling, which heavily favored Hoffman, and what I perceived to be the facts on the ground. NY-23 is solidly Republican but not especially conservative (it voted for Barack Obama last year), and Hoffman was a relatively uncharismatic candidate with poor command of the local issues.



http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/11/what-happened-and-why.html
 killene

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Posted: 11/4/2009 7:58:36 AM
Seems like media after media are calling the election as a wakeup call for Obama and the Democrats.

Most in the GOP were pleasantly surprised with how close the conservative candidate did come in NY-23 race considering all the problems that came up the last week.

Most had already figured that Owens would be the winner, but didn’t think it would be so close that the election could not be called until early morning.



Dems, incumbents get wake-up call
John F. Harris, Jonathan Martin
Wed Nov 4, 3:31 am ET
RICHMOND, Va. — Eager to drain the 2009 elections of drama and import, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs claimed Tuesday night that President Barack Obama was “not watching returns.”
You can be sure that he is studying them closely now: The off-year elections were, in two big races, an unmistakable rebuke of Democrats, reshuffling Obama’s political circumstances in ways likely to have severe near-term consequences for his policy agenda and larger governing strategy.
Independents took flight from Democrats. They suffered humiliating gubernatorial losses in traditionally Democratic New Jersey, where Obama lent his prestige in a pair of eleventh-hour campaign rallies Sunday, and in Virginia, which had been trending leftward and just last year was held up as an example of how Obama was redrawing the political map in his favor.
Tuesday night’s trends were emphatically not in Obama’s favor. Among those paying closest attention are dozens of Democrats who won formerly Republican congressional districts in 2006 and 2008 and are up for reelection in 2010. Many of these pickups that powered the Democrats’ recapture of Congress came in Southern and border states, or in the Ohio River Valley, where political conditions are similar to those in Virginia.
Obama now faces a much tougher challenge persuading these mostly moderate Democrats to put themselves further at risk by backing such liberal priorities as expanding government’s role in heath care or limiting greenhouse gases.
It was a consolation prize — cherished by national Democrats urgently looking for some good news — that Democrat Bill Owens won a special election for the 23rd Congressional District in upstate New York.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20091104/pl_politico/29116
 one eyed jacks

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Posted: 11/4/2009 8:08:00 AM

Most in the GOP were pleasantly surprised with how close the conservative candidate did come in NY-23 race considering all the problems that came up the last week.

Most had already figured that Owens would be the winner, but didn’t think it would be so close that the election could not be called until early morning.



That is rich.
Let's see, the Democrats have not held that seat for something like 150 years and the GOP is pleased? I didn't think Owens was going to win and most polls put him slightly behind or tied.

Ya figure the loony right would think a loss is a win.
 jack-d-ripper

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Posted: 11/4/2009 8:11:34 AM

Seems like media after media are calling the election as a wakeup call for Obama and the Democrats.

Most in the GOP were pleasantly surprised with how close the conservative candidate did come in NY-23 race considering all the problems that came up the last week.



Thats the Spin......... haha

They lost a seat after 150 years ... but they they were close????????
ha ha


Lots of Ops written.... Liberal Drive By they all support the FOX talking points... humm


I see this as Huge wave of support for CAP and TRADE............





 Acoustic-Blues

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Election '09 tests not boding well for Obama
Posted: 11/4/2009 8:19:32 AM
Over 500 campaign promises, only a few delivered on... The people are finally coming to understand that the hope and change is going to leave there children with change in there pockets.

Independents are shifting to the right in a big way. I'm just surprised so many fell for this used car salesman of a president they elected last year.

One Term And Out.......
 jack-d-ripper

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Posted: 11/4/2009 8:23:24 AM
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One Term And Out......



Based on the election yesterday?


Bush lost both states 2001>>>> Are you saying he was really a one term Pres?
 Acoustic-Blues

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Posted: 11/4/2009 8:25:49 AM
^^^^ No, based on common sense coming back to the majority of Americans.

Bush was president for 2 terms. If you would like a link proving this let me know, I will be glad to research it and post it for you.
 jack-d-ripper

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Posted: 11/4/2009 8:33:32 AM
Common sense ? Maybe opinion of some...




November 6, 2001,****Morris said of the "two Democratic victories" in New Jersey and Virginia: "If you have a Republican president, people are going to vote Democrat, and if you have a Democrat president, they're going to vote Republicans. That's why the Republicans got 37 governorships while Clinton was president." Morris added: "[N]ow the Democrats are picking them all off because Bush is president. People want divided government, and that's what you're seeing, and that's what you will see in '02, a Democratic trend, not because they don't like Bush" (Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, 11/6/2001; via Nexis)



The attempt to spin the VA and NJ elections into some huge change is bogus....
 imalwayssmiling

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Posted: 11/4/2009 8:59:07 AM

No, based on common sense coming back to the majority of Americans.
After you just said "Over 500 campaign promises, only a few delivered on... " we're supposed to think your one of the ones with common sense.All you proved was your good at altering the facts and you'd say anything if it sounded good to you.This ,of what has he accomplished yet !, has already been a thread.Wait maybe when you say a few,that does not mean the standard definition of 2 or 3,with the ones he's kept. There is a far longer list of those he is currently hard at work on,I think you misspoke and meant to say as the actual facts show that there are a handful of promises he got no where with.

I assume when he gets more accomplished with the ever changing day to day tragedies that come up that take precedent over smaller stuff,he will get back to those that he started ,then had to set aside. Remember its only the opposition that said he was not only finished and failed but gave up on it in its entirety.

When his administration is over, then tell me if he had only shelved a few things ,or he lost the battle with the opposition, or if he lied !

When your working against a stone wall of the other side that protests almost everything you want to do,and fights you at each step,odds alone tells you that he will not succeed at all your goals.

Here's how I see a campaign promise,I have seen it happen to all the sides in the same way,so if you really want to be realistic about the process of every president we get,or even Governors or what Mayors go through.At first it starts as a campaign promise,then when your in and you start work on each promise,sometime the promise is one thats under a barrage of never ending rock and grenade throwing from the other party,and it has a way of turning more into a goal with casualties along the way.In the end you see those by the end of their term that ignored their promise in its entirety,and then those that fought long and hard ,but ultimately lost in battle,then those that their promise got overshadowed to greater crisis,so they shelved the promise for a better day and worked on the crisis at hand ,some never had calm water again to bring up the item shelved ,and then of course those that ended up to have just lied,just plain old lied.

I have heard complaints from opposition that Obama lied from the moment he stepped in,and that is so incorrect.
 HalftimeDad

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Posted: 11/4/2009 9:46:13 AM

Independents are shifting to the right in a big way.

Trying to figure out how you can reconcile that delusion with the fact that fewer and fewer Americans are identifying as Republicans in each successive poll - it's down to 17% now, compared to 30% for those who identify as Democrats.

Now when one party is in power, that's the party that is supposed to get the wrath and blame from the electorate. Their popularity is supposed to go down, especially when the economy sucks. The only way the Republicans could actually lose support in these circumstances is if they are seen as dangerous, radical and extremist.
 Wookie50

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Posted: 11/4/2009 9:58:05 AM

Seems like media after media are calling the election as a wakeup call for Obama and the Democrats.


Yup, because they are corporate right wing lackeys. These aren't even the midterms, which generally go against the president. These are small local races with low turnouts limited to diehard politicos.


You can be sure that he is studying them closely now: The off-year elections were, in two big races, an unmistakable rebuke of Democrats, reshuffling Obama’s political circumstances in ways likely to have severe near-term consequences for his policy agenda and larger governing strategy.


Odd that the loss in New York isn't considered an unmistakable rebuke of the power of Palin, Limbaugh and the other GOP talking heads.
 CharlesEdm

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Posted: 11/4/2009 10:46:24 AM
People are seriously acting like Virginia going Republican is a shocker?
 78outdoorsguy

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Posted: 11/4/2009 11:03:17 AM
New Jersey was a shocker
 stnick1967

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Posted: 11/4/2009 11:16:20 AM
Y'all are funny.

Here are the facts:

Virginia elected a Republican for Governor yesterday.....unseating a Democratic Governor.

New Jersey elected a Republican for Governor yesterday.....unseating a Democratic Governor.

While I'm not exactly sure that this is a bad sign for President Obama, but you cannot change the facts.

Neither seated Governor won, even with the President and Vice-President stumping for them. You can spin it however you want. Neither won.

And for NY-23:

The Republicans blew it. Infighting is ugly (see the Blue Dog Democrats in regards to HCR).
 stnick1967

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Posted: 11/4/2009 11:25:31 AM

People are seriously acting like Virginia going Republican is a shocker?


Uh......no. It's been known for quite some time that it was going to happen. What was shocking was Virginia going "blue" last November. The fact that Virginia elected a Republican governor yesterday can mean a lot of things........but the only thing that it cannot mean is that President Obama had enough influence carried over from his shocking win last November to carry the Dems through.

Trust me. Y'all would be screaming from the highest rooftops about the death of the Republican Party if Virginia had gone Blue.
 killene

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Posted: 11/4/2009 11:35:35 AM
Trust me. Y'all would be screaming from the highest rooftops about the death of the Republican Party if Virginia had gone Blue.


They all sure would be...Just like they were last year when it went blue.


New Jersey was a shocker


Yes NJ was the shocker for everyone.

NY-23 race most figured was a shoe in for the democrats. When it became so it was so close that it couldnt be called until this morning many were were shocked.
 jack-d-ripper

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Posted: 11/4/2009 11:47:01 AM

Neither seated Governor won, even with the President and Vice-President stumping for them. You can spin it however you want. Neither won.


Virgina has not had 3 term Govenor for 40 years...

Bush lost it when his approvals were 80%...

New Jeresy..... A Goldman Sachs CEO running for public office?

ha ha .........Sure ............. The pope couldn't have helped this guy............ Never close...


NY-23 race most figured was a shoe in for the democrats. When it became so it was so close that it couldnt be called until this morning many were were shocked.


Sure.

Seems like a mandate for Cap and Trade.....


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 one eyed jacks

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Posted: 11/4/2009 11:59:27 AM

NY-23 race most figured was a shoe in for the democrats. When it became so it was so close that it couldnt be called until this morning many were were shocked.


Hey, maybe you can find a poll that showed the Democrat leading that race by enough to be called a shoe in. Maybe you can find a pundit, especially a Republican pundit that had predicted the Democrats were going to win. Maybe you can find anything at all to back up your statement that this was going to be a shoe in.

Or maybe you are just making stuff up again.
 pirateheaven

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Posted: 11/4/2009 12:03:14 PM
Winning two Governorships from Democrats undoubtedly are data points that do not bode well for the Dems.

Now whether this is a sign of things to come, is speculative.

If the Dems won BOTH races they would be screaming from the hill tops that this was proof that people are behind Obama, Pelosi and their programs. Naturally since they lost, they are saying the results are meaningless.

The Republicans have a long way to go to return to their Conservative roots. This is merely a tentative beginning.

Some of the liberal people in this forum, lack the ability to remove themselves from knee jerk partisanship and have some objectivity. If you can't admit the truth, you cannot deal with it effectively either. The seeds of their defeat are now planted.
 imalwayssmiling

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Posted: 11/4/2009 12:15:23 PM

Some of the liberal people in this forum, lack the ability to remove themselves from knee jerk partisanship and have some objectivity. If you can't admit the truth, you cannot deal with it effectively either. The seeds of defeat are now planted.
I have no problem with that,days before this election mungojoe posted that if you follow history you'd clearly see this would be the outcome,I didn't know the history of the two states,but he is a educator with a masters so made sense and all his other facts have been researched and indeed fact.So when it went as he said it would and so had others for that fact,I merely saw it as a way its been for 30 years,the predictability,the historical significance repeating itself.

I said days before this election that I felt it had no meaning on Obamas 57% approval rating and his 40% disapproval rating "ABC/Washington post". A president stumping for his own party is absolutely normal,no one ever holds it against the president that tried to help,although this time people do seem to be trying to blame Obama as if he should of had witchlike powers.Yes had they won though I would have been pleased,yet on the other hand they did not win and I am not displeased.Its not like a lot of this stuff is an emotional event.Now the presidential election events,that was emotional for me,its as if the whole world wanted to see who'd win.
 one eyed jacks

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Posted: 11/4/2009 12:31:14 PM
I found this article at thedailybeast.com about the NY23 race and its implications. What makes it interesting is the underlying civil war raging in the Republican Party between the moderates and the hard right of the party.


The official Republican candidate, Dede Scozzafava, had dropped out days before and thrown her support to Owens after the conservative movement backed Hoffman in a campaign to destroy her, attacking her as a closet socialist with a cynical, hidden agenda—the same terms they have used to demonize President Barack Obama.

Hoffman’s rejection by rank-and-file voters in a solidly Republican district dampened the conservatives’ mood on an otherwise upbeat night and raised serious questions about the movement’s attempt to purge moderates from party ranks. Now, many of Hoffman’s right-wing cheerleaders are struggling to explain their dubious gambit, while others fear repercussions for their zealotry.


Hoffmans only qualification for this race was being a hard right ideologue. He had no knowledge of local issues but the conservatives parachuted him in to run anyway.



With endorsements from the National Rifle Association, the National Republican Congressional Committee and Republican Party elders Newt Gingrich and New York Rep. Peter King, Scozzafava was assured an easy victory. Then Hoffman declared his candidacy on the Conservative Party line. Hoffman was a lawyer and Tea Party activist who did not live in the district and, according to the local Watertown Daily-Times, “showed no grasp of the bread-and-butter issues pertinent to district residents.” Offered as his only selling point: ideological purity.

Hoffman instantly became the point man for the national conservative movement, dedicating himself to fulfilling the right’s dream of a complete purge of moderate elements in the GOP. Campaigning in a local constituency of mostly Republican regulars, Hoffman behaved as though he were running in a presidential primary. He slammed Scozzafava for supporting abortion rights and gay marriage, substituting the hot button issues that had electrified the national Tea Party movement rather than the bread and butter concerns of the working class district he campaigned to represent.


Of course the right wing bloggers have tried to turn this into a victory. Notice how shocked the Democrats were to have won this, contrary to what one reality lapsed poster on this site believes.


In the wake of defeat, some of Hoffman’s enthusiastic backers attempted to spin his loss as a heroic moral victory. They included Erick Erickson, a popular blogger at the heavily trafficked right-wing blog, RedState.com. “This is a huge win for conservatives,” Erickson declared. “…we did exactly what we set out to do – crush the establishment backed GOP candidate.”

Besides Erickson, only Democrats seemed to be celebrating the news. “A Democrat close to the administration could only say: ‘Holy f---ing sh--!’ over and over when I called for comment [about Owens’ victory],” reported Elizabeth Benjamin of the New York Daily News


http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-11-04/how-the-rights-point-man-went-down/
 HalftimeDad

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Posted: 11/4/2009 12:38:50 PM
Oh, but you just know that someone here is going to bring up poll results in less than a year showing that the Democratic incumbent is going to lose in 2010.

It's a safe Republican seat - they're just not completely delusional. A rational Republican will win the seat handily next year. That is, if they haven't purged the party of all rational individuals by then.
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