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Posted: 11/5/2009 5:06:46 PM | CNC there is nothing racist in my statement at all. It is a simple, and painful fact. Black Authors including Thomas Sowell (my personal favorite contemporary economist), Shelby Steele, Larry Elder, among many others have said as much and with more force. Something unpleasant that does not fit your foggy worldview does not lessen the reality. On virtually every measure of dydfunction from out of wedlock births, crime, drug use, chronic health issues, failure to graduate or achieve literacy are all problematic. Now you can say racism until you become hoarse but facts are annoying things. I am open to explanations, I do not assume racism is so powerful as you apparently. Most people are too concerned with their own lives to notice others success or failure. But I'm certainly not going to allow a bunch of whacko libtards intimidate me because their pet theory du jour causes others to run up a white flag.
You should go talk to Ace, maybe he'll take the kool aid and give up his job for some loser. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 5:08:08 PM | Called my stockbroker this morning and asked him what I should be buying.
He said "Canned Goods and Ammunition". | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 5:11:38 PM |
On the contrary, I went and got a copy of the law, which you confirmed I correctly copied and you could not provide a single instance of your interpretation of the law being accurate.
I don't want to get sidetracked with that, but the very fact you think just reading the words of a statute is all that's needed to understand exactly how it applies in different situations shows me very clearly you don't understand it. If you want to think you understand the law about concealed weapons better than me, though, please go right ahead and think it.
I notice you didn't answer my question about your grounds for claiming you were right about that survey, and Gallup was wrong. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 5:16:30 PM |
I don't want to get sidetracked with that, but the very fact you think just reading the words of a statute is all that's needed to understand exactly how it applies in different situations shows me very clearly you don't understand it. If you want to think you understand the law about concealed weapons better than me, though, please go right ahead and think it.
Kind of like you and the Bill of Rights. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 5:30:15 PM |
golfcoast wrote:CNC there is nothing racist in my statement at all. It is a simple, and painful fact. Black Authors including Thomas Sowell (my personal favorite contemporary economist), Shelby Steele, Larry Elder, among many others have said as much and with more force.
I mentioned Sowell first in message #35. 
Hoover Institute War Revolution Peace Stanford University.
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Posted: 11/5/2009 5:59:34 PM | Kind of like you and the Bill of Rights.
Since you talk such a good game, why don't you elaborate on that? I know you didn't graduate from a law school, but you seem to read books--I've seen you many times accuse other posters of never having done the same. Please feel free, any time, to draw on your deep and undoubted reservoir of knowledge to tell us all about the Bill of Rights, that indispensable feature of our American Constitution. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 6:18:37 PM | Elm from the Reich said :
Kind of like you and the Bill of Rights. referring to a post that Matchlight made.
Please elaborate on this accusation implying that Matchlight does not know what is in the Bill of Rights. Specifically what are you referring to? If you are going to make an inflamatory remark, back it up with documentation.
If you can't back it up, then you are guilty of what the POF Rules call "Flame throwing" and "Baiting" which can get you permanently banned from the forum. There is NO guarantee of free speech here!
(I actually READ and UNDERSTAND the rules and the definitions). | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 6:47:48 PM | Well well big surprise here.
It comes out tonight that it wasn 't even military issue fire arms used at Fort Hood.
It was hand guns.
12 people dead.
Nice going.
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Posted: 11/5/2009 6:48:33 PM | Elmenreich,
I agree with both Matchlight
Since you talk such a good game, why don't you elaborate on that? I know you didn't graduate from a law school, but you seem to read books--I've seen you many times accuse other posters of never having done the same. Please feel free, any time, to draw on your deep and undoubted reservoir of knowledge to tell us all about the Bill of Rights, that indispensable feature of our American Constitution .
And CaliforniaBoomerGirl
Please elaborate on this accusation implying that Matchlight does not know what is in the Bill of Rights. Specifically what are you referring to? If you are going to make an inflamatory remark, back it up with documentation. If you can't back it up, then you are guilty of what the POF Rules call "Flame throwing", which can get you permanently banned. (I actually READ and understand the rules and the definitions) .
Coming from a great family with many great teachers, having great professors in university, and then reading that you list teacher as your profession, you give me pause.
This is what the copy of the Bill of Rights I have says:
First Amendment – Establishment Clause, Free Exercise Clause; freedom of speech, of the press, Freedom of Religion, and of assembly; right to petition, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Second Amendment – Militia (United States), Sovereign state, Right to keep and bear arms. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. [5][6]
Third Amendment – Protection from quartering of troops. No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Fourth Amendment – Protection from unreasonable search and seizure. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Fifth Amendment – due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, eminent domain. No person shall be held to answer for any capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Sixth Amendment – Trial by jury and rights of the accused; Confrontation Clause, speedy trial, public trial, right to counsel In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.
Seventh Amendment – Civil trial by jury. In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Eighth Amendment – Prohibition of excessive bail and cruel and unusual punishment.
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Ninth Amendment – Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights. The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Tenth Amendment – Powers of States and people. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
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Posted: 11/5/2009 7:26:16 PM | I take it you haven't read many of CaliBoomerGirls posts. She gives me pause every time I read something she wrote.
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Posted: 11/5/2009 7:32:33 PM | | Somewhere I have a list of the Supreme Court decisions that used the 14th Amendment to extend first one and then another of these provisions to the states, starting with the 5th Am. Taking Clause. Before that, the B.O.R. never applied against state governments, although most state constitutions guaranteed almost all the same rights. Almost. The Court's never extended the 2d Am. to states at all, or the 8th Am. right to bail, or the 5th Am. right to a grand jury. Most western states seldom use a grand jury to indict people for felonies, except in very serious, major cases. The 3d Am. is a dead letter; and the 9th and 10th Ams. don't concern rights a state could infringe. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 7:48:25 PM |
It was hand guns. 12 people dead. Nice going.
I own, currently possess and keep in my home several handguns and have done so for over 25 years now and before that my parents had and kept several in the house that I grew up in.... not to mention an assortment of rifles. My and my familys handguns never killed anyone......
No big surprise though.........we are simply law abiding armed citizens......
Thanks Mom & Dad for bringing me up properly, teaching me the huge difference between right and wrong as well as to respect authority, animals and my fellow human beings and to live and abide by the laws of the land....
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Posted: 11/5/2009 7:53:22 PM | Blah blah blah. Ignorant.
Just because YOU never killed anyone means nothing. You're still a huge part of the problem. The fact that there are so many ignorant people allowed to own guns in this country is a crime in itself. That's why people in other countries think we're red necked, gun toting hillbillies.
Plenty of law abiding armed citizens have accidentally killed their children, neighbors children, etc.
The guy that killed 12 people today with his beloved hand guns was (I assume) highly educated, enlisted, trusted man, etc.
Your post is dismissed and so are your parents. ESPECIALLY your parents. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 7:53:59 PM | A sure sign of a libtard is a superstituous belief guns have a magical power to make otherwise peaceful, gentle people become obsessed when the inanimate object leaps into their hand and perform distardly acts they have no will to control.
You have to have an IQ of a minnow to imagine a tool has magical powers like that. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 7:59:16 PM | That can't be a serious post.
Ridiculous.
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Posted: 11/5/2009 8:22:00 PM | Zenbeth: thanks, but actually I am not a teacher, at least in the usual sense. I am a financial planner who teachs teachers retirement planning. My daughter just happens to be a very dedicated and talented home school mom.
I'm sorry , all of you anti-gun folks, , but I just cannot wrap my brain around the concept that guns kill people. It is reckless people who kill people.
Does a penis cause rape? Let's regulate all of the men and put them all in locked chastity belts so they will unable to rape anyone.
How about the many who kill with a kitchen knife? Knives are forbidden on airplanes, how about regulating them and registering all of the knives hidden in kitchens, where you are much more likely to be stabbed than on an airplane?
How about all of the people killed by automobiles? Are we going to outlaw cars? Regulating driving with driver's licenses has not stopped this hazard..
I remember when I was a kid every time we went into the bank, there was an armed guard standing by the door. No one dared try to rob the bank because they would be shot. Most banks do not have guards any more and bank robberies have increased as a result. If most citizens were armed, the crime rate would DROP, not go up. Most burglars fear running into an armed home owner much more than they fear the police, especially now with all of the cutbacks in police protection. We need guns MORE NOW than ever. In fact, I just made a note to myself to go buy more ammo. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 8:28:12 PM | I'll show you the courtesy of not dismissing your post, or your parents. Actually, he wasn't an enlisted man, but an officer. A major, I think.
Since you don't like ignorance, what would you suggest we do about the Second Amendment? I assume you don't think states can just ban guns outright--it really *would* be ignorant to believe that. Unless, of course, you think an amendment to erase the 2d Am. is on the horizon.
Why do you think another poster's "a huge part of the problem" (whatever that problem is, exactly) because he owns firearms? So do I, so I guess you think I'm a part of it too. I don't know why you care whether some foreigner thinks we're this or that. I certainly don't--unless and until I'm trying to tell someone in the UK how to live, I don't recognize their right to try to do that to me.
I've spent some time there, too, and I never got the impression most people thought most Americans were backward. Same with the French and Italians--and I talked with a lot of them about all sorts of things.
Plenty of law abiding citizens have accidentally killed kids with their cars, too. Is that a good reason to ban automobiles? These murders make the news because mass murder's unusual--especially on an Army base. But how many people we'll never hear of, throughout the U.S., do you think died in car crashes today? A safe guess would be well over a hundred.
If someone ever really needs to protect themselves or someone else, but doesn't have a gun around, I think you'd find they usually wish they did. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 8:44:30 PM | WildSoCali do you even know how many countries in the world not only allow ownership of firearms but even require it? And what about the majority of firearm owners who never ever have problems with firearm use? Majority being the key word?
We have more drivers who because of drug, alcohol use, lack of sleep, use of cell phones, eating, kill or disable people. So do we say we need to ban cars? And last I looked cars were not mentioned as a constitutional right.
As for 'The guy that killed 12 people today with his beloved hand guns was (I assume) highly educated, enlisted, trusted man, etc'. You mean the Muslim who got his medical education paid for by the U S Government and spoke of wanting to kill Americans?
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Posted: 11/5/2009 8:49:28 PM | | God gave me the USA and God gave the USA me...that simple. I am greatful and thankful and a Patriot. If I don't stand and fight for my country, it's creed and ways, then who will? I think many people take being in America and being an American for granted. If you talk to many foreigners who came from other countries....Russian, Africa and many others, you'd realize how there is to appreciate here and our lifestyle. Cliche or not, there is good and bad everywhere, so make the best of your world where you live or make tracks and make your world somewhere else. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 8:52:56 PM |
In fact, I just made a note to myself to go buy more ammo
A lot of people think a pump-action shotgun with an 18+" barrel is the best gun for home defense. Even if not all the buckshot pellets hit, the ones that do won't do the target any good. And you've usually got five shots. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 9:02:04 PM | Yup! And the lovely sound a shotgun makes when that shell is being chambered will usually scare anybody on the other side of the door, if they are smart that is. And shotgun ammo is cheaper and easier to get than handgun ammo. And it's huntin' season!
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Posted: 11/5/2009 9:32:01 PM |
Please elaborate on this accusation implying that Matchlight does not know what is in the Bill of Rights. Specifically what are you referring to? I covered this in another thread, where he implied that the First Amendment applies to commercial expression. It doesn't.
If you are going to make an inflamatory remark , back it up with documentation. Drunk already? | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 9:48:49 PM |
Elmenreich wrote :I covered this in another thread, where he implied that the First Amendment applies to commercial expression. It doesn't.
Actually I think the Valentine v. Chrestensen dealt with this and since then there have been other cases that have found that commercial expression is protected by the First Amendment. One Justice noted that speech does not lose its constitutional protection simply because its commercial and not private speech.
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Posted: 11/5/2009 9:52:10 PM | *shameless deviation---------------again*
my dating life is none of your business.
You're on a free, public dating site. Your dating life is EVERYONE on the site's business...duh.
Seriously, are you really employed as a teacher?
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