| calgary flames, line jumpers
Posted: 11/4/2009 5:48:40 PM | Now I can't get one because they fcuked everything up, and they are starting with babies, pregnant women etc.
Way to go flames. And they STILL can't play hockey for shit.
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| calgary flames, line jumpers
Posted: 11/4/2009 7:16:07 PM | Did I not read or hear somewhere that they sold something like 80,000 doses to private interests such as "For Profit" Private Medi Centres? If that's the case, the Flames were not the only "Wealth" to recieve a shot.
Someone mentioned in here again about "HIGH RISK" persons should have been in the lineups.
I'd like to mention AGAIN that an average person that is at high risk ...... meaning a very poor immune system ....... would be risking illness caused by standing in a 6 hour lineup in sub-zero weather. Also adding to this risk is the close proximity to so many thousands of people that could be carrying any number of thousands of different viruses.
This particular H1N1 virus attacks lungs causing pneumonia (among other things).
I have had three bad bouts of pneumonia in the past decade and a half. Each time you beat pneumonia, if you get it again, it returns worse than the last time.
The last time for me was about 5 years ago when I ended up in Foothills and having a quarter of a lung removed. That is no fun my friend.
I can NOT go and stand around outside in the cold, doing nothing for 6 hours. That very well COULD kill me.
PS. On a side note....this morning coming into work, I met the dealer that works my block. He's selling Tamiflu now. Told me sales are way up.
See, these guys are even more organized than the government. 
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| calgary flames, line jumpers
Posted: 11/4/2009 7:52:52 PM |
they arent and never were included in the danger groups,
I heard on the news tonight something about a "High Risk" loop-hole.......
Most of us ...."Ass/u/me" .... "High Risk" means;
"Those persons that are at greatest risk of "Contracting" the virus", not "Those persons that are at "High Risk" of "Comming in Contact" with the virus."
i still think a bag full of dog craptosssed over the boards is the best way to applaud their salvatioon from the h1n1 pandemic.
!!!!! GO OILERS GO !!!!!  
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| calgary flames, line jumpers
Posted: 11/4/2009 7:59:31 PM | | Well man I guess the Flames are the anti-christ. Because of them we are all doomed to have a pig virus. Do your wills now. Oh wait, don't bother because your kids are gonna die because they are getting the virus too. I wonder if this virus will have us all dead by 2012 so that the Maya calander will be correct. | |
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| calgary flames, line jumpers
Posted: 11/4/2009 8:01:02 PM |
I wonder if this virus will have us all dead by 2012 so that the Maya calander will be correct.
Nah man, 2012 is when I get elected Prime Minister. | |
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| calgary flames, line jumpers
Posted: 11/4/2009 8:05:20 PM | | You got my vote Elvis. Well, that is if I am strong enough to get to the polls. Damn you Iginla, you and your buddies have brought civilization to an end. Hey, if I find a good story do you think that I can get the masses to follow me too? I hear that the Leafs are responsible for global warming. Damn them and their baby burning Zamboni. | |
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| calgary flames, line jumpers
Posted: 11/4/2009 8:43:02 PM | Well, I really don't see how pregnant women and five year olds are going to win a Stanley Cup for us.
i find it also kind of amusing and sad that it was ONLY calgary teams that did this dispicable act
That's not true at all. The Leafs and the Raptors also got team shots ahead of the general public. I'm sure many other teams have too and you'll likely hear about them in the coming weeks. | |
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| calgary flames, line jumpers
Posted: 11/4/2009 10:15:20 PM | Just my 2 cents worth .
I really don't like the flames but.. if I am not mistaken they may be in a high risk profile as carriers of the h1n1. Think about it , the flu is spread by saliva when sneezed or the nose is rubbed and hands not washed etc. These players in close proximity to each other and the rest of the hockey staff, sweaty equipment water bottles , horking on the ice and benches
the body contact , the fighting , plus throw in the referees and their families and the penalty box officials and the club house staff and various bus drivers and cab drivers , hotel staff and various eating establishments across Canada and the USA , airline pilots and and other staff , various airports and lots of travelers . I would think they might be high risk not only to themselves but to an entire continent . Aside from the money they make or the cost to get them the vaccination I would think it prudent if all sports teams were given the shots.
Does not matter really that they got the shot before the kids or pregnant women, but if they are vaccinated against spreading it from here to timbuck two it might go a long way to prevent the spread.
Just like medical personal, teachers ,police, and I hate to add them but govt officials too.
These professions get sick and the system may not stand the strain of disorder that would surely be followed.
Of course we could always just not give anyone the shots and let mother nature take it's course and let the survival of the fittest rule..
cough cough ';'';;;.. | |
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| calgary flames, line jumpers
Posted: 11/4/2009 10:21:24 PM | | I say we take it back to the Lord of the Flies. Yeah, that's right. Re-set the evolutionary clock. Let those that live be the new kings. All hail the living. Maybe this is the new world order. Maybe this is how we change the filter in this gene pool. | |
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| calgary flames, line jumpers
Posted: 11/4/2009 10:29:54 PM | | Considering it was a professional sports team here in Calgary, you know, just maybe most of the players for the Stamps might be feeling somewhat left out?.. | |
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| calgary flames, line jumpers
Posted: 11/5/2009 6:14:23 AM |
2 yr old baby and several other people in toronto died of h1n1, maybe a leaf or a flamer could have saved their lives by not being so selfish
Lets see. The Flames had the clinic and received their shots on Friday. (I think?)
Baby dies on Wednesday.
Takes 10 days for the vaccine to be fully effective. Even if the baby had received the vaccination on Friday last week it wouldn't have done much/any good.
Seems to me that to blame these deaths on the hockey teams is a bit of a stretch.
Not saying that I agree with the line jumping.
Just saying that I think that there is a huge amount of over-reaction.
As there has been since this spring when heiney was first outed.
I am sitting at home sick this week.
Not sure if it is heiney or not - and I am certainly NOT going out in public to spread it around just so I can have it confirmed (or not).
Dry cough, low grade fever, aches (that were making me cry on Tuesday)
Today, feeling pretty good, but still staying in if possible.
I think the rule of thumb is 5 days contagious, including the day before symptoms show.
Sorry to all those people I saw on Monday! | |
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| calgary flames, line jumpers
Posted: 11/5/2009 6:56:27 AM | | ^^^ I thought it was 21 days for it to start being effective? I guess one has to wonder, if it takes that long, why not give the shots in late summer ? | |
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| calgary flames, line jumpers
Posted: 11/5/2009 7:26:10 AM | To give the shot in late summer would mean AHS would have had to think and organize and actually plan ahead! AND the fed gov't would have had to order the vaccine during the times lines the WHO suggested and not wait so frigging long, so the provinces would actually get the vaccine sooner.
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that many people in the fed/provincial/provincial public health were so busy with their heads up their butts playing 'it can't possible happen here', that SFA got accomplished in any manner.. let alone a timely, organised one.
Risks, as defined by thePublic Health Agency of Canada:
Everyone is ar risk of catching the H1N1 flu virus.
However, the following are more at risk of developing complications if they do get sick:
1)children under 5
2) Pregnant women
3)People with chironic conditions such as:
Heart disease, kidney disease, diabetes, asthma & chronic lung disease, liver disease, bloode disorders, severe obesity, immunosuppressed (people taking cancer drugs or people with HIV/AIDS, neurological disorders.
and yes I have had both my regular & H1N1 shot. Pays to live in a wee town! And no.. I did not jump line.. I fall under asthma & neuro.
I do hope, that when this FUBAR is alllllll over that the people of this province and country REMEMBER for more than a nano-second and insist that all levels of gov't be severely held accountable so this never ever happens again. {like that is gonna happen but one hasta dream eh?} | |
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| calgary flames, line jumpers
Posted: 11/5/2009 7:36:43 AM | | does anyone know what the incubation period for this is? From the time you first get exposed to the time you start showing symptoms? | |
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| calgary flames, line jumpers
Posted: 11/5/2009 7:46:33 AM | Transmission
Transmission of novel influenza A (H1N1) is being studied as part of the ongoing outbreak investigation, but limited data available indicate that this virus is transmitted in ways similar to other influenza viruses. Seasonal human influenza viruses are thought to spread from person to person primarily through large-particle respiratory droplet transmission (e.g., when an infected person coughs or sneezes near a susceptible person). Transmission via large-particle droplets requires close contact between source and recipient persons because droplets do not remain suspended in the air and generally travel only a short distance (< 6 feet). Contact with contaminated surfaces is another possible source of transmission and transmission via droplet nuclei (also called “airborne” transmission). Because data on the transmission of novel H1N1 viruses are limited, the potential for ocular, conjunctival, or gastrointestinal infection is unknown. Since this is a novel influenza A virus in humans, transmission from infected persons to close contacts might be common. All respiratory secretions and bodily fluids (diarrheal stool) of novel influenza A (H1N1) cases should be considered potentially infectious.
Incubation period
The estimated incubation period is unknown and could range from 1-7 days, and more likely 1-4 days.
source: http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/identifyingpatients.htm | |
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| calgary flames, line jumpers
Posted: 11/5/2009 7:53:25 AM | | The baby that died in Ontario was only 2 months old and could not have been vaccinated as he was under 6 months of age. | |
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| calgary flames, line jumpers
Posted: 11/5/2009 7:53:54 AM | | What makes a baby anymore important then a 25 year old hockey player? Seriously... take an ethics course and come back and explain that to me... good luck, I can't wait to hear this one! | |
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| calgary flames, line jumpers
Posted: 11/5/2009 8:43:11 AM |
What makes a baby anymore important then a 25 year old hockey player? Seriously... take an ethics course and come back and explain that to me... good luck, I can't wait to hear this one!
It's simple. The baby didn't earn millions of dollars. Those high paid hockey players should pay somehow 
On the way home from work yesterday one of the DJs on the radio made a comment that was quite interesting. He said it was wrong but what's done is done and something that might be a good idea now would be if each of those hockey players were to pay something for their shot, like $400 or $500 and have the money go to the Alberta Children's Hospital.
I think the person in that senior level with AHS that lost their job was the scapegoat. The blame should lay squarely with Ron Liepert. Throw in Duckett and Stelmach for good measure. | |
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| calgary flames, line jumpers
Posted: 11/5/2009 8:44:47 AM | | If you're referring to OMG's comment I would try re-reading it with a big tone of sarcasm and see if it come out differently... | |
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| calgary flames, line jumpers
Posted: 11/5/2009 9:10:36 AM | I always get OMG's sarcasm. I think Theonly1 was referring to Trubble's comment:
a 2 yr old baby and several other people in toronto died of h1n1, maybe a leaf or a flamer could have saved their lives by not being so selfish
Just to clarify...My statement before the eye roll was sarcasm. Really, why would one person's life be more important than another's? | |
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| calgary flames, line jumpers
Posted: 11/5/2009 9:25:56 AM | ^^^
"Influenza spreads around the world in seasonal epidemics, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands worldwide annually, and millions in pandemic years. On average 41,400 people died each year in the United States between 1979 and 2001 from influenza.[7]"
Umm... what are we at again with swine flu this year?...
North America 1,476 | |
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| calgary flames, line jumpers
Posted: 11/5/2009 9:57:27 AM | | What people are missing the point about this being a pandemic is not the number of deaths... its the number of people being affected. Sure the deaths are not too far off from seasonal influenza(for now, this is only the second wave... there is one more wave to come yet and flu season is not even close to being over), but the numbers of people being affected by H1N1 are far greater than the seasonal flu. The seasonal flu does not have ERs and hospital overloaded, or sick rates at schools and work places higher than normal. Labs are too overloaded with the H1N1 pandemic to even be able to give an accurate number of those affected. | |
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| calgary flames, line jumpers
Posted: 11/5/2009 10:09:40 AM | hitler was held accountable for the actions of his underlings
How do you figure that?? The man offed himself before he could be held accountable for anything!!
And who brought up anything about religion? Other than you I mean. You certainly insult people with impunity trubble. At least you're equal opportunity in that regard. | |
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| calgary flames, line jumpers
Posted: 11/5/2009 10:39:19 AM | Yeah ... there have only been 2,800 H1N1-related deaths so far. Heck, that's not even as many as Sept. 11, 2001!
There's really no need to even pay any attention to this!!! | |
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