Man's day:
Wake up at 8 and eat breakfast wife made. Have fun with kids before heading to work.
9-5 Work.
5:00 Comes home tired and kicks back on the couch because the game is on. Throws his socks next to the couch.
7:00 Joins family for dinner.
7:30 Walks past sink full of dirty dishes and pretends they aren't there.
8:00 Retreats to the man-cave or go out to see his friends because he knows this is usually the time when wife goes looking for him to help out.
10:30 Comes home and gets into bed.

It is all about attitude and material values these days... NOT for everyone, but for a good portion of men... There is no longer the value that once was placed on marriage, like it was how a family unit was built, and both partners depended on the other...

It was the ideal, and something that was expected in keeping the family name going on...

Now days men can get sex without promising anything, or BS a gal, and she is still willing to have sex, because these days it isn't considered the moral sin it used to be...

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I just got married, ERRRRRR well I had a commitment ceremony, however neither of us are going to have kids, and todays marriages seem more like a great way for the government to keep up with what is going on in my personal life...

it is still just a useless piece of mineral(Just like gold, silver, platinum, zirconium or any other piece of jewelry)

I'm actually tired of having to look that up and post it here, over and over and over again, but the myth of the slacker husband just won't die.

What's never addressed is why, if husbands are such slackers, so many women seem to want one so much?

You can debate it all you want, but the bottom line is that if marriage and the 'woman' in question, were all that, that they are cracked up to be, men would be tripping over themselves instead of being reluctant, to marry women.

Sorry I had to throw in the insurmountable obstacle of "honest evaluation" for a number of the women.…

You know that is not an evaluation of merit. The fact is that men do get sex while single so the other side of the coin is actually more accurate.

Those men that are the most desirable, eligible do marry; despite the fact that they, more than most other men, can get all the sex they want without having to marry. Yet, they choose marriage.

Hey, now, gold is pretty darned useful. It's one of the most malleable, ductile, and least likely to oxidize metal there is

Take professionals, physicians, attorneys, etc. beyond a certain age you’d be hard pressed to find many single ones. The fact is that it is the men, with very little to offer, that do not marry; probably because most women do not want them. I travel in these circles of professionals and most of the men are married; a great number of them to stay at home wives, not necessarily with young children at home.

What correlation is there between being desirable and eligible, to wanting to be married?

Is that to imply men who don't want marriage are NOT desirable or eligible?

Are you implying the more money a guy makes the more likely he is to be married?...…

if so, that stance seems to undermine what many women claim marriage is about.

But that’s just it, Verity; men do marry. And the ones most likely to wed are the ones that theoretically have the most to lose. I’ve demonstrated that in my previous posts. Take professionals, physicians, attorneys, etc. beyond a certain age you’d be hard pressed to find many single ones. The fact is that it is the men, with very little to offer, that do not marry; probably because most women do not want them. I travel in these circles of professionals and most of the men are married; a great number of them to stay at home wives, not necessarily with young children at home.

Is that to imply men who don't want marriage are NOT desirable or eligible?

A professional man wants a life which includes wife and children; the majority of very accomplished men feel like this.

LOL, you know I would not insult you like this. You know I said MOST, not all. However, depending on one’s goal, like the woman who started this thread, men that do not want marriage are by that definition not eligible.

Yes.

Yes, exactly...

What gender wants someone who is undesirable or ineligible... Pointless pursuit

So, someone who doesn't want marriage is automatically undesirable?
That's funny.
I must be a fricken' anomaly.
And at my age now, most women that I meet don't want kids, and could do without ever being married (or marrying again).

What gender wants someone who is undesirable or ineligible... Pointless pursuit

Men who don't want marriage can be desirable, however the person they are with, need to be well aware that the guy does NOT want marriage, thus they need to accept it, OR move on...

Is it a pointless pursuit for someone to chase someone that doesn't want to get married

But that’s just it, Verity; men do marry. And the ones most likely to wed are the ones that theoretically have the most to lose. I’ve demonstrated that in my previous posts. Take professionals, physicians, attorneys, etc. beyond a certain age you’d be hard pressed to find many single ones. ... I travel in these circles of professionals and most of the men are married; a great number of them to stay at home wives, not necessarily with young children at home.

(verityone) Why is "marriage", which gives us a license to have sex, something that men are willing to practice *shudder* celibacy for, in order to avoid?

If you've "got" someone, but are not happy until you get a "marriage", and are willing to leave that person, then you never really loved them in the first place.

It makes no sense to me that I would leave someone that I love enough that I would want to spend the rest of my life with, for not wanting to get married.

(nexthyme) Don't chase a woman who wants that, simple enough...

That's EXACTLYwhat a growing number of men are doing.

The response?

Women carping far and wide about guys not wanting to get married...