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Posted: 11/4/2009 4:27:41 PM | | It was also a first world war memorial. A symbol of 'Britain' emperial/slave mongering/raping and pilaging past between two parts of the same empire. To call it a war would be foul play. It was a disgrace. Better off getting the JCB in and pulling it down. Better forgotten than remembered and anyone who was jumping the queue for 'national service' leaving their families behind was nothing other than a fool. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 4:50:43 PM | OK I'll bite!
Have you ever studied history and the causes of WWI? Or the symbolism of the red poppy John Boy?
I think the collective conciousness of the British people holds a bit more weight than your vitriolic ramblings. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 5:08:17 PM | Do you think that the soldiers who went/go to war and died/die in the name of this country deserve to have any memorial pissed upon. I don’t. Call it simple respect for elders. I studied WW1 & WW2 at school. Governments go to war with each other and will continue for whatever reason. The memorials are for the fallen, not the governments that took the decisions. If you hate the goverment (or empire) and its policies then fine. Don’t try and hand out a history lesson or justification for a guy who pissed on a War (and it is documented as a World War) memorial and think it is in any way acceptable.
If thats how you feel John-boy feels then go and piss on a memorial and say its a political statement…see how that goes! | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 5:15:00 PM | Two parts of the empire flexing their muscles. Ive got a bigger one than you in political terms. It was all b£llocks. OK so the poppy grew where many of the soldiers fell. So? Maybe they were all wearing white pants. Maybe we should all wear white pants in remembrance of those who small mindedly took the oath for ‘Queen and country’. Reminds me of a song. “Go on home British soldiers go on home. Have you go no f£cking homes of your own.” Etc etc etc.
War is a game devised by politicians and played by dogs. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 6:17:50 PM | It was also a first world war memorial. A symbol of 'Britain' emperial/slave mongering/raping and pilaging past between two parts of the same empire. To call it a war would be foul play. It was a disgrace. Better off getting the JCB in and pulling it down. Better forgotten than remembered and anyone who was jumping the queue for 'national service' leaving their families behind was nothing other than a fool.
What a load of nonsense (highly disrespectful nonsense!) you silly person - and go back to school and read up your history properly.
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Posted: 11/4/2009 10:46:16 PM |
It was also a first world war memorial. A symbol of 'Britain' emperial/slave mongering/raping and pilaging past between two parts of the same empire. To call it a war would be foul play. It was a disgrace. Better off getting the JCB in and pulling it down. Better forgotten than remembered and anyone who was jumping the queue for 'national service' leaving their families behind was nothing other than a fool.
I can't agree with your views on any level. I do believe however that the people that did give thier lives has enabled you to express them freely without fear of retribution.
Maybe in time you will learn to accept that their sacrifice was worth your freedom. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 10:56:38 PM | Badge36
I totally agree with you, if it was the memorial of one their dead relatives I think we would be reading something very different on here. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 11:06:04 PM |
It was also a first world war memorial. A symbol of 'Britain' emperial/slave mongering/raping and pilaging past between two parts of the same empire. To call it a war would be foul play. It was a disgrace. Better off getting the JCB in and pulling it down. Better forgotten than remembered and anyone who was jumping the queue for 'national service' leaving their families behind was nothing other than a fool.
What a numpty comment
your alive because some one jumped a queue and gave their life.........
never been in the forces have we not ??????????????? | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 12:12:42 AM | Some men do pi$$ anywhere when they are drunk and wake up needing the loo. When I was babysitting for my brothers daughter he came in fell asleep on setteee then 10 mins later got up, went over to her in her antique silver cross pram and piddled on her and the pram! Then there was my pi$$ head ex who got out of bed turned full circle three times and then peed on me and the bed....grim days.
The man possibly deserves a court order to attend some sort of alcohol awarness course and then made to go out and clean graffiti off war memorial momuments.
Im sure some of the men that the memorial was for may have peed in weird places too in their time and would understand. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 12:27:18 AM | Send 'im DAHHHHNNNN ............... !!
I am very surprised that Johnny Boy has so far not been reported to the mods for trolling and posting off topic in a deliberately inflamatory way ....... | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 12:36:23 AM |
I am very surprised that Johnny Boy has so far not been reported to the mods for trolling and posting off topic in a deliberately inflamatory way .......
I actually found his post more offensive than the original topic under discussion due to the fact that it was a deliberate and calculating attack on the memory of the fallen, whereas the pissing fool was (I hope) not compos mentis at the time of his offence. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 12:36:28 AM | I'm sure most of us know what its like to be absolutely bladdered and dying for a p1ss and It sounds like this student may have been too p1ssed to even realise where he was urinating at the time.
We have all done things we regret after having had too many I'm sure ?
Had he have been sober and fully aware of his actions and carried out the same act then yes lock the fooker up but I think in this instance he has probably already learned a lesson in being publicly named and shamed and will I dare say have a fine to pay.
It was also a first world war memorial. A symbol of 'Britain' emperial/slave mongering/raping and pilaging past between two parts of the same empire. To call it a war would be foul play. It was a disgrace. Better off getting the JCB in and pulling it down. Better forgotten than remembered and anyone who was jumping the queue for 'national service' leaving their families behind was nothing other than a fool.
Maybe the reason between why you call yourself 'boy' and those of your age who died for us were called 'men' ?? | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 1:02:18 AM | No I don't think he should lose his liberty over something as trivial as weeing on plinth.
I understand some people have strong feelings towards the war dead but all this hysteria is disproportionate to what amounts to nothing more than someone making a mistake after having too much to drink. Nobody got hurt and p1ss is as harmless as water, stench aside. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 3:35:05 AM | If someone pi5hed on my grandpa's grave, drunk or not id kick em where it hurts. May be even make him lick it up.
Seriousley though, the guy shouldnt go to jail. But some form of community service is needed. A previous poster suggested some communial work in injured service mens hospital.. how about an injured service mans home? someone who has lost limbs and needs support in the toileting department? | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 3:46:49 AM | I do agree he should be punished as it is extremity disrespectful, for obvious reasons
However i do consider the crime minor in context... it wasn't a direct attack at anyone, it was something it sounds like he did drunk and that comes down (in my opinion) to education... prison in my opinion is generally used to punish people who need focus and to learn and it doesn't always push the guilty parties intop this... it can make them worse criminals for the fact they are around people who have socially considered lower moral values
just my opinion.. but yes he was very wrong by the sounds of it and there should be something done at the least.
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Posted: 11/5/2009 3:47:23 AM |
Maybe the reason between why you call yourself 'boy' and those of your age who died for us were called 'men' ??
Well they certainly didnt die for us in WWI. However WWII was a totally different matter and each and every person who fought for our rights to post a lot of ramblings on here died a hero and should be respected. The point though, ramblings aside is that the guy was steaming and wouldnt have done it if he was sober. Then we would have nothing to moan about  | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 4:32:17 AM | | you are a joke go back to school and read your history about wwI the kid knew what he was doing. getting drunk isnt a excuse | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 4:52:40 AM |
A previous poster suggested some communial work in injured service mens hospital.. how about an injured service mans home? someone who has lost limbs and needs support in the toileting department?
That was me (suggesting the community service in a rehabilitation centre for injured servicemen)..i've been wondering how we can get in touch with the court to suggest such a punishment? | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 6:41:08 AM | Donna, your point was well put ( I also quoted you for it) and I am sure that there will be such a thing suggested in the case of this lad. However misguided I do believe he is genuinely sorry for his actions.
Comment about user name - yes i use boy in my user name, I wouldn’t look to that as an excuse for John-Boy 83s opinion. Its his opinion after all…he is just very much in the minority in his feelings and in my opinion as misguided as the very lad that this topic speaks about. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 9:02:38 AM | First of all, the man knew exactly what he was doing!
He claims he drank a bottle of whisky before leaving home, just to show how drunk he was.
That's bollox, for a start. How the heck did he manage to reach the first pub? And the next, and the next? Nah, he made that claim because he knew that people had seen that he wasn't 'that' drunk.
He was sober enough to find a place to pee and to get his todger out. People who are too drunk to know what they are doing tend to pee themselves.
Also, his memory of the event is clearly unaffected, because he acknowledges that he did it. Again, people who are 'that' drunk cannot remember much about events with occurred when they were drunk.
He's apologised, fair enough, but he deserves punishment on a reparation scale. Firstly, he should attend (if possible) the Cenotaph ceremony, just to give a sense of the enormity of what wreath-laying represents. He should do some form of military-based community service as well. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 9:31:13 AM | Should he be jailed no, for two reasons.
The first the cost of having him in jail does not justify the act,IMO.
Why ruin this boys (19yrs) life for one act, yes it was very very stupid and not very bright or funny, at least he has not left any physical permanent damage.
He should be made to do a huge public service order, and make a constructive contribution to the society in repent for his stupid drunken, mistake. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 10:38:18 AM | He was sober enough to find a place to pee and to get his todger out. People who are too drunk to know what they are doing tend to pee themselves
That is not strictly true.. though I know some men do wet themselves when drunk. Fact is like I wrote up above, when some men are drunk they actually go to the toilet in their sleep and dream they are doing it in the loo even managing to get their todgers out etc. I have even seen one grasp for the imaginary loo handle.
Mind you, as you are a heterosexual man who has never had the pleasure (?) of sleeping with your fair share of drunken men, unlike moi, then you wouldn't really be aware of mens peeing habits. Its not like men would own up to it down the pub. (and before anyone says it, I can also get sober men to sleep with me too)
Thing is though, unless this man had been asleep somewhere in the vicinity of the monument my theory doesnt really wash in his case. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 10:43:34 AM |
Firstly, he should attend (if possible) the Cenotaph ceremony, just to give a sense of the enormity of what wreath-laying represents. He should do some form of military-based community service as well.
I think thats a great idea (The Cenotaph) combined with mine about rehabilitation centres I think we might be on to a winner! | |
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