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Posted: 11/5/2009 11:02:57 AM |
That is not strictly true.. though I know some men do wet themselves when drunk.
I used the term 'tend', which is not an absolute, then you state that my comment isn't strictly true, and then acknowledge that my statement fitted your own experiences!
So, you don't agree with me at the same as time as you're agreeing with me!
when some men are drunk they actually go to the toilet in their sleep and dream they are doing it in the loo even managing to get their todgers out etc. I have even seen one grasp for the imaginary loo handle.
The man in question did not claim to be asleep.
Mind you, as you are a heterosexual man who has never had the pleasure (?) of sleeping with your fair share of drunken men, unlike moi, then you wouldn't really be aware of mens peeing habits.
I don't have to had spent the night in bed with a man to have noted over the years how my fellow heteros can pee themselves whilst drunk. The fact is, the man in question was awake and upright, and clearly remembers doing what he did, otherwise he would have denied all knowledge and certainly not apologised.
Its not like men would own up to it down the pub.
You'd be amazed what we confess to whilst down the pub - peeing ourselves is tame!
Thing is though, unless this man had been asleep somewhere in the vicinity of the monument my theory doesnt really wash in his case.
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Posted: 11/5/2009 11:13:59 AM | People are responsible for their actions and that includes how much alcohol they drink any subsequent incidents. The fact he was drunk is no excuse for this crime as it wouldn't be for any other and his drunkenness shouldn't be considered when deciding a punishment and it should be based on the act itself.
Making allowances for alcohol consumption levels is a bad idea. His punishment should be equal to what mine would be if I went and peed there sober now, I think the suggestions around community service and helping ex-service men and women is the most appropriate. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 11:58:43 AM | No, he shouldn't be sent to prison but he should pay for this despicable act in some other way. One I could think of is that he should be made to walk around the British War Graves in Normandy (at his own expense, not the taxpayer's) and see if he still wants to pee on a war memorial when he's read a thousand or more headstones!
I agree with Badge in some respects, bring back the stocks on the village green (or the modern day equivalent - the out of town shopping centre car park)
and let him find out just how people feel about his disrespectful and despicable actions.
I bet his pathetic little mates thought he was a hero for doing such a brave thing! 
I can't believe the comments by some of the posters on this thread "Oh well, he was only peeing, what does it matter" etc.... It matters a great deal!!!
He unrinated on a war memorial. Many of the names on those memorials are for people who never returned from action overseas, not even in a box! So for their relatives it is the equivalent of a grave.
The worst part of this is that it's not an isolated incident. I go to Riga in Latvia very often on business and the stag groups from the UK think its fun to urinate on the Freedom Monument, a monument to the freedom, independence and sovereignty of Latvia. A monument to those who fought and died in the Latvian War of Independence. A monument that is loved and revered throughout the country......... but hey! Lets pee on it guys, what the f*ck does it matter, it's only some silly memorial to some dead people!! | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 12:15:48 PM |
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That is not strictly true.. though I know some men do wet themselves when drunk.
I used the term 'tend', which is not an absolute, then you state that my comment isn't strictly true, and then acknowledge that my statement fitted your own experiences!
So, you don't agree with me at the same as time as you're agreeing with me!
when some men are drunk they actually go to the toilet in their sleep and dream they are doing it in the loo even managing to get their todgers out etc. I have even seen one grasp for the imaginary loo handle.
The man in question did not claim to be asleep.
Mind you, as you are a heterosexual man who has never had the pleasure (?) of sleeping with your fair share of drunken men, unlike moi, then you wouldn't really be aware of mens peeing habits.
I don't have to had spent the night in bed with a man to have noted over the years how my fellow heteros can pee themselves whilst drunk. The fact is, the man in question was awake and upright, and clearly remembers doing what he did, otherwise he would have denied all knowledge and certainly not apologised.
Its not like men would own up to it down the pub.
You'd be amazed what we confess to whilst down the pub - peeing ourselves is tame!
Thing is though, unless this man had been asleep somewhere in the vicinity of the monument my theory doesnt really wash in his case.
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Posted: 11/5/2009 12:31:46 PM | JUST REMEMBERANCE DAY/LOW NEWS DAY
Wot a load of tosh
remember who gave you a life
DEAD SOLDIERS DID
HOPE HE GETS WOTS COMING TO HIM
what a load of sentimental clap trap
my parents gave me life........as far as I know my mother never ****ed a soldier in her life!
it's this sort of fanatical nonsense that causes so many problems in this country. The bloke did something stupid whilst drunk.........I suggest you go out on the town one night near and army barracks or when the fleet's in at any port........if you want to see disgraceful drunken debauchery you will be in for a treat......service men are notorious for their wild partying...........get some perspective ffs! | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 12:36:52 PM |
it's this sort of fanatical nonsense that causes so many problems in this country.
What? Do you mean a lack of respect for others, or the response to the man's actions?
This country would be a far better place to live if more people respected its institutions, its laws, its people, and its dead.
.service men are notorious for their wild partying..
Fair comment......but how many have pee'd on war memorials bedecked with wreaths?
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Posted: 11/5/2009 12:41:58 PM | it's this sort of fanatical nonsense that causes so many problems in this country. The bloke did something stupid whilst drunk.........I suggest you go out on the town one night near and army barracks or when the fleet's in at any port........if you want to see disgraceful drunken debauchery you will be in for a treat......service men are notorious for their wild partying...........get some perspective ffs!
Yes, you're right. Service personnel get to party a bit when they are on leave. And so they should.... but I bet you'd never find a single one of them who would urinate on a monument to their dead colleagues, past and recent.
You obviously don't give a fart for them, don't care that millions have given their lives for the life that we lead now, don't care that somewhere in your family tree, one of your ancestors, probably gave his life so that you could be free to spout your drivel.
They would be so proud of you. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 12:59:48 PM |
You obviously don't give a fart for them, don't care that millions have given their lives for the life that we lead now, don't care that somewhere in your family tree, one of your ancestors, probably gave his life so that you could be free to spout your drivel
don't put words in my mouth.......I have every respect for our soldiers who do a good job and risk their lives........I just have no time for people who spout outraged indignation over something that is totally trivial. A bloke got drunk and peed.......millions of men do it every single night........it is not a big deal.
If he had been sober.......if it had been done with malicious intent....if he had been showing explicit contempt for the war dead........and if he took pleasure in his actions then I would be disgusted with his actions. As it is.......from what I understand...he was just a drunk pissing in the wrong place. That is totally different in my book.
As for my family tree........I have traced it back on both sides to 1600's and am well aware of all that served and died for their country thank you.... that doesn't mean I have to be irrational and over sentimental about something so trivial and start calling for the poor man to have his life ruined ! | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 5:05:45 AM |
A bloke got drunk and peed.......millions of men do it every single night........it is not a big deal.
I have to disagree with you there, sorry! It IS a big deal, it was an awful place to take a leak. If he was my son, I don't think I could look at him; my children's dad was in the Faulklands and some of his colleagues died there. It is the equivalent of desacrating their graves.
There are limits..
I think the best suggestion about how to deal with him that I've heard is that he VOLUNTARILY runs the London marathon to raise money for charities that benefit ex-service personnel. That way he gets to show his remorse - apparently he has become the target of lots of threats and intimidation. That suggestion came from a young serviceman speaking on the Jeremy Vine show on Radio 2. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 5:12:54 AM |
He was caught on CCTV soaking a wreath of poppies at the main war memorial in the city. Seems he downed a bottle of Whisky before going out on the town and said he has never been so drunk and is so sorry for what he did.
How do we know he is so sorry for what he did, for all we know he could see all the media attention as a badge of honour like some see ASBOs?
What he did was disrespectful and he should face the consequences. Jail is not the answer though, all he did was take a piss. He should have to do some sort of community service and pay a large fine IMO | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 5:20:04 AM | This case has highlighted the disgusting behaviour carried out by
many people in our towns and cities up and down the country every night.
Just because this student was drunk is no excuse in my opinion for him not to be jailed
We should be showing a zero tolerance policy towards this sort of anti social behaviour
If it means a few days in jail then it might just stop others from doing the same thing.
I feel sorry for our Police who have to deal with these drunks as they take up
a lot of their time when they could be doing something else more useful like catching real criminals.
Will be interesting to see what the court decides on this case. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 3:11:49 PM | He could face prison for what he did. So do you think he should be jailed..
Or have you ever been so drunk that you didnt know what you were doing and think he should be delt with more leniently..
a) I have been seriously drunk over the years, and observed many others during my night jobs; I have rarely seen anyone so drunk who could stand up who couldn't REALLY remember anything next day.
b) I have had the pleasure of being arrested for urinating in a public place (4.00am in Marks & Spencer's doorway in Glasgow). £42 for the privelege. WHERE you urinate shouldn't matter as regards the law, although personally I reckon he should have his willy kicked off...
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